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A84808	Saul's errand to Damascus: with his packet of letters from the high-priests, against the disciples of the Lord. Or, A faithful transcript of a petition contrived by some persons in Lancanshire, who call themselves ministers of the gospel, breathing out threatnings and slaughters against a peaceable & godly people there, by them nick-named Quakers. Together with the defence of the persons thereby traduced, against the slanderous and false suggestions of that petition, and other untruths charged upon them. Published to no other end, but to draw out the bowels of tender compassion from all that love the poor despised servants of Jesus Christ, who have been the scorn of carnal men in all ages.	Fox, George, 1624-1691.; Lawson, John, of Lancaster.	1653 (1653)	Wing F1894; Thomason E689_17; ESTC R206937	30,408	48

to their Ministers and of a People to their God but Opinions we deny for they are without God and there you are and justice and purity is but one and that we set up and owne purity and walking in the Spirit doth make a separation from all uncleanness and can have no fellowship with them who are unfruitful workers of darkness Rom. 1.2 but there is a separation from them the one hath fellowship with God and the other hath fellowship with darkness which be unfruitful the one is separated to God the other is separated from God Object Have drawn much people after them many whereof Men Women and Little-Children at their meetings are strangely wrought upon in their bodies and brought to fall foam at the mouth roar and swell in their bellies Answ The meetings of the people of God 1 Pet. 4.12 Psa 71.7 were ever strange to the world for it was as though some strange thing had happened to the Saints as ye read in the Scripture which shew ye are in the same generation Act. 13.41 wondring and stranging at the work of the Lord despising and casting scandals slanders and false reports upon them and where the works of God are now they think them strange things now as was then who are alive in the flesh Act. 9.4 5. It would be a strange thing to see one now fall downe Dan. 10.9 as Paul fell downe and trembled and as Daniel fell down and trembled and to see one as Habakkuk his belly to tremble and his lips to quiver Hab. 3.16 and as David to lye roaring all the day long who cryed till his sight was grown dim and his flesh failed of fatness and till he could number his bones and to see one as Isaiah to rent his garment and his mantle and pluck his hair off his head and off his beard and sit down astonished Isa 66.5 and would it not be strange to see such an Assembly as came to Isaiah which had all trembling hearts Hear the word of the Lord all ye that tremble at his word Work out your salvation with fear and trembling Before their faces the people shall be much pained Joel 2.6 all faces shall gather blackness The Prophets and Ministers of God have all one Spirit according to measure and did encourage those that did tremble wherein it shews that you have not the same Spirit but seek to persecute and fix scandals and accuse them falsly The Ministery of truth ever drew from all the Ministry of the world and from under all the laws of the world up to God and from all the Gods of the earth and then they witnessed that the Lord was their Law-giver the Lord was their King the Lord was their Judge Object George Fox professed and avowed that he was equal with God Answ It was not so spoken as George Fox was equal with God but the Father and the Son is one John 14.9 10. I and my Father are one and where the same is revealed this is witnessed but where the same is not made manifest and revealed Christ is persecuted for the world knows him not Let the same minde be in you Phil. 2.5 6 7. that was also in Christ Jesus who being in the form of God thought it not robbery to be equal with God and yet made himself of no reputation And this I witness to be fulfilled for the same Spirit where it is is equal with God for he that sanctifieth and they that are sanctified are all of one and it is God that sanctifieth Heb 2.11 Jude 1. Joh. 1.1 1 Cor. 15.47 48. 1 Joh. 3.7 He that hath the Word hath God for God is the Word and our fellowship is with God There is a natural man and there is a spiritual man the the first is of the earth earthly the second is the Lord from heaven the new man which is created after God in righteousness and true holiness and he that doth righteousness is righteous even as he is righteous And this I witness what the Scripture saith Let no man deceive you Object He professeth himself to be the eternal Judge of the world Answ He that was a Minister of God said that the Saints should judge the world 1 Cor. 6.2 3. yea Angels herein they do shew themselves to be no Ministers of God who seek to persecute them who are judged of God and justified by him where judgement is brought forth unto victory Mat. 12.20 and set in the earth and that which is eternal hath judged all the carnal nature in himself and where it is judged thereis no unity with it where it is alive and he that hath not true judgement Mat. 5.13 14. and Salt in himself to savour withall is good for nothing and he cannot endure that Christ should speak where he is made manifest I am the way saith Christ Christ is but one in all his Saints 1 Cor. 11.3 Mar. 13.11 and he speaks in them but he doth not say that George Fox is Christ I am the way the truth the life Christ is the light and ye are the light and Christ liveth in you and Christ is the head of the man and it is the Spirit of the Father that speaketh in you and spoke in Christ and he is but one in in all his Saints Isa 5.20 without are many Christs Lo here and lo there but know you not that Christ is in you except ye be Reprobates and if Christ be in you the body is dead because of sin and there Christ Jesus speaks the same Christ to day yesterday and for ever And thy judgement which is not eternal is carnal and with evil thoughts thou judgest thou puttest darkness for light and light for darkness and here thou shewest thy judgement to be carnal and no Minister of God but a Minister of the Letter and not of the Spirit for the Ministers of the Spirit have true judgement and did imprison none nor persecute as you do but it is that fools may utter forth their folly Object He said he was the way the truth the life Answ The old man cannot endure to hear the new man speak John 14.6 which is Christ and Christ is the way and if Christ be in you must not he say I am the way the truth and the life John 10.4 Now if Antichrist speak he is owned of the world but he cannot witness it while the old man raignes the voice of God is not known nor Christ himself to speak in man but Christs sheep know his voyce Object He said Whosoever took a place of Scripture and made a Sermon of it or from it was a Conjurer and his preaching was Conjuration Answ He that puts the Letter for the light John 8.12 when the Letter saith that Christ is the light he is blind and they that say the Letter and the Spirit are inseparable when the Spirit saith the Letter

risen from the dead whereof the Apostles were witnesses Here thou shewest thy self to be a witness against the living and shewest thy self to be in the death and no Minister of Christ for the Ministers of Christ justified them which were raised from the dead Eph. 2.1 Even when we were dead in trespasses and sins hath he quickned us together with Christ and hath raised us together and hath made us to sit in heavenly places in Christ Jesus Rom. 6.10 11. Likewise reckon you also your selves to be dead indeed unto sin but alive unto God through Jesus Christ for in that he died he died once unto sin in that he lives he lives unto God Here thou shewest thy self to be no Minister of Jesus Christ He that believeth hath passed from death to life because be loveth his brethren here thou shewest thou dost not believe but art in the death and art in envy so thou shewest forth thy self to be Cain and hatest thy brethren We know that we are translated from death unto life because we love our brethren he that loveth not his brother abideth in the death and there thou art Whosoever hateth his brother is a man-slayer and you know that no man-slayer hath eternal life abiding in him 1 Joh. 3. And this is thy condition and here thou art an Antichrist in the world envying those who are raised from the dead and thou seekest to bring them to the death whom God hath raised from the death Thou hast not seen thy self to be the prodigal yet the Scripture saith Luk. 15.24 This my son was dead and is alive againe but thou art without God in the world Object 2. That the day of judgement was past Answ Mat. 12.20 Christ speaks The bruised reed he will not break the smoaking Flax he will not quench till he bring forth judgement into victory Here thou shewest thy self to be ignorant of the Scripture but onely as a hear-sayer thou speakest and the outside of the Letter and not Christ and canst not witness him who brings forth judgement into victory but standest as a witness against them who witness the Scriptures fulfilled in them and Christ bringing forth judgement into victory and here thou shewest thy self to be unacquainted with Christ and thy nakedness and ignorance thou makest appear Object 3. That he had been in Hell and is now in Heaven Answ Here thou shewest thy self to be a witness against the holy men of God Jonah saith Out of the belly of hell cryed I Jon. 2. and thou heardest my voice and the Lord delivered him out of hell and might not he confess it thou hypocrite For thou wilt not leave my soul in hell neither wilt thou suffer thy holy one to see corruption Psa 16.10 Thou hast delivered my soul out of death bless the Lord my soul and all that is within me bless his holy name Psa 103.1.2 How darest thou profess the Scriptures and the holy men of Gods-conditions which were raised and brought out of death and if any witness the holy men of Gods condition thou persecutest them O thou blind hypocrite here thou shewest thou never sawest hells mouth yet therefore thou never cryedst in hell yet Object 4. That he was come to the infinite company of the first-born and the Spirits of just men made perfect Answ Paul said who was a Minister of God But ye are come to Mount Sion Heb. 12.22 and unto the City of the living God the heavenly Jerusalem and to an innummerable company of Angels to the general Assembly and Church of the first-born which are written in heaven unto God the judge of all and to the spirits of just men made perfect Paul was A Minister of Jesus Christ by the will of God who incouraged the Saints who were brought hither but thou now persecutest them and art a witness against them that confess they are brought hither here thou shewest thou hast the spirit of errour openly and art no Minister of God no not of the Letter but art against the Letter as it speakes persecuting them that have the life of it Object 5. That he had heard the last Trumpet sound and seen the new Jerusalem Answ Here thou shewest forth thy spite and venome If John was here which saw the great City and holy Ierusalem descend out of heaven from good John said I saw the holy City New Ierusalem come down from God out of heaven thou wouldst be a witness against him thou shewest thyself in the generation that was ever persecutors slanderers opposers of the power of truth Where the same spirit is that was in Iohn he sees these things now as he did then but where the same spirit is not which thou shewest thou hast not but a contrary spirit that persecutes them which do see those things but is as a dog to bite and devour Iohn saw the last trumpet sound which shews thou art not come to the first Blow the trumpet in Slon Joel 2.1 sound an alarm in my holy mountain let all the inhabitants of the earth tremble Here be thou a witness against thy self that thou art a witness against the truth and in the generation of them that ever slew the righteous seed Obj. 6. That John Lawson said he had seen God face to face Answ Here thou shewest thy self to be a witness against them that know God and makest thy self manifest to be a heathen for all are heathens that do not know God and no man knoweth God saving he that is born of God and who are born of God are owners of the truth and not against it but against the deceit Jacob said I have seen God face to face Gen. 32. Isa 6.5 Job 42.5 Isaiah said Mine eyes have seen the King the Lord of hosts Job said I have heard of thee by the hearing of the ear but now mine eyes have seen thee Exo. 33.11 And God spake to Moses face to face Here you may take your oaths and swear against Jacob against Isaiah against Job and against Moses Where the same Spirit is made manifest and who are born of God know God face to face as they did but they who are born of the flesh persecute them who are born of the Spirit and there you shew your selves to be taking oaths and swearing against them that know God seeking to bring them to prison or bondage for you never read in all the Scriptures that the Prophets or the Apostles took their oaths against any which confessed they had seen God or put up a Petition to the Magistrates or witnessed it with oathes against any of them the Ministers of God said Swear not at all And here you shew your selves to be no Ministers or friends of God but without God for the Ministers of God are to bring people to know God and to the Church in God and to the heavenly Jerusalem and to the innummerable company of Angels and minister to that which is in prison and in death but if any come to witness these things fulfilled you are witnesses against them with Oaths and would bring the bodies of such into prison where the seed of God is raised out of prison within shewing your selves to be Antichrists persecuters of the power of truth and beasts which shall make war against the Saints and against the Lambe but the Lamb shall get the victory Job cryed when the Lord hid his face and David cried when the Lord hid his face and said O Lord I will seek thy face And here you shew you neither know his face nor have seen it but are persecuters of them who know it and seek it Praises praises be to the Lord for ever FINIS Errata Page 14. l. 18. after the word death put a p. 16. l. 2. for were read was p. 18. l. 25. for the second word Ministery r. Ministers p. 20. l. 11. before the word saying r. one p. 21. l. 31. for Priests r. people p. 24. l. 17. after the word That r. some say p. 25. l. 1. after proved r. by l. 2. after the word him r. in him p. 28. l. 4. r. save only what p. 29. l. 5. r. of the Law as a Transgressor l. 9. r. judged

SAVL's ERRAND TO DAMASCVS WITH His Packet of Letters from the High-Priests against the disciples of the Lord. OR A faithful Transcript of a PETITION contrived by some persons in Lancashire who call themselves Ministers of the Gospel breathing out threatnings and slaughters against a peaceable godly people there by them nick-named QVAKERS Together with the Defence of the persons thereby traduced against the slanderous and false suggestions of that Petition and other untruths charged upon them Published to no other end but to draw out the bowels of tender compassion from all that love the poor despised servants of Jesus Christ who have been the scorn of carnal men in all ages Matth. 5.10 11 12. Blessed are they which are persecuted for righteousness for theirs is the kingdom of heaven Blessed are ye when men shall revile you and persecute you and shall say all manner of evil against you falsly for my sake Rejoyce and be exceeding glad for great is your reward in heaven for so persecuted they the Prophets which were before you London printed for Giles Calvert at the black Spread-Eagle at the west-end of Pauls 1653. To all that love the Lord Jesus Christ. Dear hearts YOu love the Lord JESUS CHRIST and not him alone but Christ with all his Train Great shall be your compensation for your Love you shall have a Cant. 7.12 Loves Amores a plurality an infinity of Loves which none but God in Christ hath to bestow The best of his Relations upon earth have but Single Love and 't is happie they have Love to the Brethren But Christ hath Loves for the meanest of you the least of his May you and all his in whom there are yet but buds scarce visible appearances of Graces prove fruitful Vines grow from Buds to Blossoms from Blossoms to abundance of fruits That when the Lord shall get up early to visit his Vineyard you may feast him with pleasant fruits new and old you may bless him for his Loves of former and later days and be ever to him an humble holy and thankful and to his brethren a comforting people Glory in your habit you wear the signal Favours of the King of kings and Lord of hosts the Great and Mighty JEHOVAH Love By which I know to whom ye belong because ye love the Brethren TO The Contrivers and Subscribers of the Petition Poor hearts IS this a time to chide and be angry and pick quarrels and if you must needs do so can you finde no other objects of your indignation but the Lords Disciples but peaceable holy humble self-denying men Is not the work of the Ministery to preach the Gospel Is not the sword of the Magistrate appointed to the punishment of evil doers and to the praise of them that do well Are you incumbent in your duties are you laying out your Talents to the end they were given you or are you mistaken in the thing When did you proclaim war against Drunkards Swearers common Blasphemers enemies to the Lord and his people have you none of those amongst you or are your high-flown contending spirits gone beyond such slender wrastlings that you scorn to encounter with any below the degree of a Saint The Lord open your eyes and let you see and give you hearts to consider your several duties But tell me ye sons of Levi as ye call your selves ye that pretend a Jus Divinum to Persecution What will ye say when the Son of man shall come in his glory and all the holy Angels with him and shall sit upon the Throne of his glory and all Nations shall be gathered before him mind ye what wil be the great work of that great day your Petition will surely then be heard I beseech you read the paper of Causes set down to be first heard at that Tribunal in Matth. 25.31 to the end of the Chapter And the Lord let it dwell upon your hearts for ever To the Christian Reader THese are to let thee know that the only wise God at this time hath so by his providence ordered it in the North-parts of Lancashire that many pretious Christians and so for many years accounted before the nick-name Quakers was heard of have for some time past forborne to concorporate in Parochial Assemblies wherein they profess themselves to have gained little of the knowledge of Jesus Christ And it is and hath been put upon their hearts to meet often and on the Lords day constantly at convenient places to seek the Lord their Redeemer and to worship him in Spirit and in truth and to speak of such things tending to mutual edification as the good Spirit of the Lord shall teach them demeaning themselves without any offence given to any that truely fear the Lord. But true it is that some men and interests of those parts do take great offence at them and their Christian and peaceable exercises some because they have witnessed against pride and luxuriant fulness have therefore come armed with Sword and Pistols men that never drew a Sword for the interest of the Commonwealth of England perhaps against it into their assemblies in time of their Christian performances and have taken him whom the Lord at that instant had moved to speak to the rest and others of their assembly after they had haled and beaten them and carryed them bound hand and feet into the open fields in the cold of the night and there left them to the hazard of their lives had not the Lord of life owned them which he did in much mercy Others have had their houses broken in the night and entred by men armed as aforesaid and disguised when they have been peaceably waiting upon God with their owne and neighbour-families and yet these humble persecuted Christians would not even in these cases of gross and intolerable affronts acted equally against the peace of the Nation as against them complain but expressed how much in measure of their masters patience was given them in breathing out their Masters gentle words Father forgive them they know not what they do Who have at any time born such unheard-of persecution with so mild Spirits onely they in whom persecuted Christ dwells these poor creatures know how their Master fared and rejoyce to suffer with him by whom alone they hope to be glorified and are as well content to suffer as to reign with Christ but how unwillingly do we deny our selves and take up our cross and follow Christ and yet a necessity lies upon us if we will be the Lords Disciples to take up our cross dayly and follow him How is it then that the crown of Pride is so long upon the head of Persecutors how is it that such men should dare to divide the people of England to trouble the Councel of State in the throng of business concerning the management and improvement of all the mighty Series of glorious providence made out to this infant-Commonwealth with such abominable misrepresentations of honest pious

is death and killeth and all that do study to raise a living thing out of a dead to raise the Spirit out of the Letter are Conjurers and draw points and reasons Jer. 23.16 Jer. 27.9 10. and so speak a divination of their own brain they are Conjurers and Diviners and their teaching is from Conjuration which is not spoken from the mouth of the Lord and the Lord is against all such and who are of God are against all such for that doctrine doth not profit the people at al for it stands not in the councel of God but is a doctrine of the Devil and draws people from God but he that speaks from the mouth of the Lord turnes people from their wickedness Heb. 8.11 but that Ministery which God hath not sent and that Assembly must be disaffected for the Lord is coming to teach his people himself by his Spirit Object George Fox said the Scripture was carnal Answ The Letter of the Scripture is carnal and the Letter is death and killeth but the Spirit giveth life Heb. 7.16 which was in them that gave forth the Scriptures and that I witness which is eternal and not carnal for the Jewes which had the Letter persecuted Jesus Christ the Substance and so do you now which have the Letter and not the Substance there were Ministers of the Letter then and Ministers of the Spirit so is there is now the same Christ being made manifest Col. 1.27 is unknown to the world for the whole world lyeth in wickedness and Christ Jesus is a Mystery to the world and is hid though you may profess him because the Letter speaketh of him 1 Joh. 3.8 but ye persecute him where he is made manifest and where he is made manifest the works of the Devil are destroyed and there he speaks and is King and is the way and is the truth 1 Joh. 5.12 Rom. 8.11 1 Cor. 6.17 2 Cor. 6.16 and is the life and he that hath the Son hath life and he that hath not the Son hath not life and he that hath the same Spirit that raised up Jesus Christ is equal with God and the Scripture saith that God will dwell in man and walk in man as Jesus Christ which is the mystery hath passed before so the same Spirit takes upon it the same seed and is the same where it is made manifest According to the flesh I am the son of Abraham according to the Spirit the son of God saith Christ Col. 1.27 Heb. 2.16 All the plotting of the Priests is and ever was against Christ where he is made manifest and the Beast shall make war with the Saints and with the Lamb but the Lamb shall get the victory praises praises be to our God for ever for evermore Object Richard Hubethorne writ that Christs coming in the flesh was but a figure Answ Christ in his people is the substance of all figures types and shadows fulfilling them in them and setting them free from them but as he is held forth in the Scripture-Letter without them and in the flesh without them he is their example or figure which is both one that the same things might befulfilled in them that was in Christ Jesus 1 Pet. 2.21 1 Pet. 4.1 for even hereunto were ye called because Christ hath suffered for us leaving us an example that we should follow his steps forasmuch as Christ hath suffered for us arm your selves likewise with the same mind 1 Pet. 1.15 Christ was our example in suffering and in holiness and as he which hath called you is holy Joh. 13.15 so be ye holy in all manner of conversation because it is written Be ye holy as I am holy He is our example in humility I have given you an example saith Christ that ye should do even as I have done unto you And as he is so are we in this world He is our forerunner Captain of our Salvation and in all things our example Tit. 16. As they have done unto me so shall they do unto you But all they who have not Christ dwelling in them go about to persecute him in all them in whom he is made manifest they neither follow him as an example themselves nor suffer others to follow him as an example and walk in the same steps but deny him both as the substance and example of his people but they who are taught of him do confess him both as he is the substance of all things and their example in all things for without me ye can do nothing saith Christ and it is so I witness it And as for James Millner though his minde did run out from his condition and from minding that light of God which is in him whereby the world takes occasion to speak against the truth and many friends stumble at it yet there is a pure seed in him Object Leonard Fell said that Christ had no Body but his Church Answ There is one Body and one Spirit Eph. 4.4 Col. 1.18 2 Cor. 5.19 even as ye are called into one hope of your calling and Christ Jesus is the head of the Body the Church and ye are made free from sin by the Body of Christ and Christ came to redeem his Church God was in Christ reconciling the world to himself for his body's sake Col. 1.24 Eph. 5.30 32. Eph. 22.23 which is his Church For we are members of his Body of his Flesh and of his Bones this is a great Mystery but I speak concerning Christ and his Church And hath put all things under his feet and gave him to be the head over all things to the Church which is his body The fulness of him that filleth all in all In whom also we are builded up together for an habitation of God through the Spirit W W. More Objections against George Fox charged upon him by the Contrivers of the foresaid Petition and Answered by him as followeth Object 1. THat he did affirm that he had the Divinity essentially in him Answ 2 Cor. 6.1 Eph. 4.6 2 Pet. 1.4 For the word essential it is an expression of their own but that the Saints are the Temples of God and God doth dwell in them that the Scriptures do witness and if God dwell in them then the Divinity dwels in them and the Scripture saith Ye shall be partakers of the divine nature and this I witness but where this is not they cannot witness it Object 2. That both Baptism and the Lords Supper are unlawful Answ As for that word unlawful it was not spoken by me but the Baptism of Infants I deny and there is no Scripture that speaks of a Sacrament but that Baptism that is into Christ with one spirit Gal. 3.27 into one body that I confess according to Scripture and the Lords Supper I confess and that the bread the Saints break Iob. 6.53 55. is the body of Christ and that cup which they drink is the