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ID	Title	Author	Corrected Date of Publication (TCP Date of Publication)	STC	Words	Pages
A25515	An answer to a late pamphlet, called A Sober dialogue, between a Scotch Presbyterian a London church-man, and a real Quaker, scandalously reflecting on the Church of England as if her doctrine and common-prayer did justifie the antichristian doctrine, of the real Quaker, viz. that the light within, whither in heathen, or Christian is sufficient to salvation without anything else; wherein the plain deism and antichristian principles of the real Quaker and his party, and the pretended church man, are plainly detected. By a friend to the author of the dialogue, called, a Sober dialogue, between a country friend, a London friend, and one of G.K.'s friends.		1699 (1699)	Wing A3305A; ESTC R214848	10,861	26

tell all the World that there is no better nor higher a State than that of the Quaker pray what are those great Attainments you have arrived at beyond other People it may be you will say you have left the Fashions and Language of the World well and what then Will all this quiet a Conscience wounded with Sin I tell you nay Sheeps Cloathing will not do when you will not hear the voice of the true Shepherd nor follow his Commandments We Read of but one Shepherd and one Sheep-fold which was that good Shepherd that laid down his Life for his Sheep And in your Dialogue you tell us that the Light in every Man is the divine Word which you call Christ 't is true Christ was that divine Word in the beginning with God and here you make a full stop and tell us that that does enlighten every Man that comes into the World and Calls Exhorts and strives with every Man in order to save them which if received works the Salvation of all Now if the Divine Word as it was in the beginning saves all Mankind pray what was remaining for that Word to do after it was made Flesh did not all the holy Men of old know that Divine Word and its Operation far beyond the best of you And yet how did they rejoyce that by Faith they saw Christs Day in the Flesh they clearly saw that great Mystery of Godliness Christ manifest in the Flesh and does not St. John begin with the Creation and tells us that in the beginning was the Word and how that Word did Operate in being the Light of Men and so goes down to John the Baptist and from him to the Birth of Christ saying in the 14th verse that that Divine Word was made flesh and dwelt among them and saith he we beheld his glory the glory as of the only begotten of the Father full of grace and truth And pray was not old Simeon well acquainted with that Divine Word which was the Light of Men yet when he saw the Child Jesus he said now let thy Servant depart in Peace for my Eyes have seen thy Salvation a Light to Lighten the Gentiles and the Glory of thy People Israel And another Prophetess gave a full Testimony to all that looked for Redemption in Israel Now here is that Divine Word which under the Law did shew Man his Sin and under the Gospel saves him from Sin pray which of those two was the most glorious Manifestation to Mankind as to that Prophecy in John the 16th verse the 7.8 9 10 11 13. Pray consider to whom our Lord speaks was it not to his afflicted Disciples whom he was just a going to leave in a dark and wicked World and therefore told them that he would send that Comforter the Spirit of Truth which would guide them into all Truth Mind he was a Guide to the Disciples but a Reprover to the World of Sin because they believed not in Christ Jesus and saith our Lord in the 14th verse He shall glorifie me for he shall receive of mine and shall shew it unto you for he shall not speak of himself but what soever he shall hear that shall he speak Here you see and as you desired some places of Scripture that the holy Ghost or Comforter does not save without Christ Jesus neither is the Holy Ghost said to be the Christ but he did take of Christ and was a Messenger from Christ to Comfort his suffering Disciples in his absence and to confirm that Doctrin And did you ever read that any did receive the Holy Ghost that did not believe in Christ Jesus as he outwardly came in the Flesh And where is the Man that can say among any of the Quakers that he has received the Holy Ghost as it was given in the Apostles Days notwithstanding the real Quaker saith that every Man has it and saith that with all the Presbyterians Logick and the outward Knowledge of Christ or of what he hath suffered outwardly for us he cannot stop the Cries of that which Reproves for Sin I believe no true Christian desires to stop its cry against Sin but methinks the Man should have been more serious then to put Logick and the outward Knowledge of what Christ did and suffered together I fear the real Quaker esteems them too much alike he says further that with all thy Art and Skill thou canst not prove that Water Baptisme was commanded by Christ 't is a strange saying and vain enough But pray what thinks he of the 3d of St. John the 26th verse What were all they Baptized with that came to Christ That 't is said that Jesus Baptized not but his Disciples did and how should they Baptize with the Holy Ghost when Christ was not yet gone from them and therefore had not yet seen the Holy Ghost and did not Peter on his relating of the Holy Ghost's falling on Cornelius's Family say that then he remembred the Words of the Lord how they should be Baptized with the Holy Ghost and yet he Administred Water after and can any Man be so Ignorant as to believe that the Holy Apostles of our Lord would have Baptized with Water had they not known that it was their Lord and Master's Will and Commandment whatever others may doe without Commission they were too Holy and too Spiritual to do such things He speaks after the like manner concerning the Lord's Supper and then Reflects on G. K. what he Wrote when he was one of them I would to God they were as honest to acknowledge their being mistaken as he has done both by Word and Writing and in that thing they do but the more expose themselves since they never found fault with him till they saw him further enlightened It is said that Jesus did not commit himself to all Men because he knew what was in Man how then is he in every Man a sufficient Saviour only by that common Illumination And now I have a few Words to the honest and sober Quakers My Friends I do beseech you to search the Holy Scriptures and believe they were Written for our Learning for our Conviction for our Reproof that the Man of God may be furnished to every good Work notwithstanding your Teachers bids you only to mind that in your own Hearts I do tell you that to bring your own Deeds to the Light is to bring them to the Doctrin of Christ and his Apostles as God shall be pleased specially to enlighten you to understand it why should you lean to your own Understanding when the great God has made such wonderful Provision for you and has set it on a Candlestick for all Men to see the Light thereof in our Land tho' not so in all Lands Pray what a Price did both the Old and New Testament cost them that conveyed it to us did it not come swiming to us in a River of Blood and shall we so ill requite the great God and those dear Servants and Messengers as to tell we have no need of their Testimonies or Doctrin for every Man has that in himself that will save him if he hearkens to it's Voice What Ingratitude is this to those holy Martyrs whose Blood cries how long e'er thou avenge us on them that dwell on the Earth And where do you find that God ever left any of his chosen ones to the common Manifestation of Light only in themselves that being too much vailed by the Fall of Man had Man been left to that Witness without higher Manifestations to excite Faith and Hope of Redemption by an Object beyong themselves how had they fainted in their Minds and considering how their Father Adam had fallen before them who doubtless had more Light than any earthly Creatures since he was in the Paradice of God I must needs say I am concerned for you and it makes me even tremble to see on what a brink of danger you stand there are too many Children that can speak before they go which is no good Sign I fear you have not tried your own Frailty that talk thus big I am sure that there are some among you that has as much need to pray for the Forgiveness of Sin as any People in the World has and yet at the same time will say that they have that in themselves that is able to save them from all Sin they may as well say they have a Staff in their Hands but will not make use of it so do nothing but stumble and fall will not all the World condemn you and say since these Men have so great a Light as is sufficient to save them why do they not follow it but fall into such horrid Mistakes in their way I do really believe whenever God opens the Eyes of your Teachers which have caused you to err to see what they have done and what they are doing they will then deserve the Name of Quaker more than ever they did I pray God open their Eyes for your and their own sakes that they may have their Suffering rather in this Life then in that which is to come Do not mistake me and think that I design to lessen the Light that in Man that Reproves for Sin or the Law Written in the Heart as the Apostle plainly calls it and said he had not known Sin but by the Law but Christ's Blood is the Way by which we must enter in Therefore do not think of climbing up another way I do intreat you my Friends to read the Scriptures especially the New Testament through and through again and pray to the Lord for Wisdom in the Reading of them and they will sufficiently furnish you with Wisdom that is able to make you wise to Salvation through Faith in Christ Jesus and know withal that these Lines are Written from one that is your real and hearty Friend that Prays for your Salvation FINIS

coming from one and the same Author and Fountain via God and Christ considered as the divine Word and the Spirit according to 1 Cor. 12.4 5 6. and Rom. 8.15 and his Argument from John 16.7 8 9. c. Is a meer Perversion it being evident to all truly enlightened Christians that the Mission of the Spirit the Comforter that Christ promised should lead them into all Truth to whom he should be sent and who should reprove the World for the Sin of not believing in Christ to wit Christ Crucified and should testifie to them of Christ as he suffered Death for our Sins was not on the account of the common Illumination given to all Men which the Disciples had before the Comforter was sent in that special Ministration And unless he had proved that all Men are reproved by the common Illumination for their not believing in Christ Crucified and raised again which he hath not so much as attempted his Argument is Vain and Impertinent And as Impertinent is he in his Arguing from other Places of Scripture for let the Places be read and considered and it will appear they all point at some other and more excellent sort and manner of Hlumination than that common to all Mankind the Places are Ephes 5.13 Psal 19.7 Rev. 21.24 Rom. 10.8 Heb. 4.12 James 1.21 For all these Places respect the State of Believers in Christ Crucified and the peculiar Gospel Dispensation as distinguished from that of Heathens and Infidels who are said to be without P. 7. He brings in the Presbyterian not truly stating the Controversie but perverts his opposite words in this his Dialogue in way of answer to that called a sober Dialogue between a Country Friend a London Friend and one of G. K. 's Friends for whereas the words in that Dialogue were that what simply condemns us for Sin does not forgive us this unfair Quaker leaves out the word simply which was mainly necessary truly to state the Controversie viz. whither that Principle within Men that only reproves or condemns them for Sin and but convinceth of some moral duties and doth not propose to them that great Object of Faith Christ Jesus as he suffered Death on the Cross for the remission of our Sins doth save them without Christ Crucified and without all Faith in him as such the word simply having the same signification with the word only Pag. 8. He excuseth G. Whitehead's cursing G. K. who never cursed any of them but prays for them that he and G. W. are not apt to revile and curse This is like a Man that being often Drunk saith he is not apt to be Drunk but why then hath G. W. done it his too great aptness to curse and revile is too apparent by sad instances yea he hath not only cursed G. K. but joyned with some of his Brethren to damn the Three Persons of the ever Holy and Blessed Trinity to the Pit witness his and their Book in Answer to Townsend's Signed by him and others called Ismael c. his late Excuse of its being either wrong Writ or wrong Printed without a plain Retractation is insufficient Writ about forty Years after the former in that called the Quakers Cleared Page 9. He blames his Opponent for saying that Cornelius was not to be saved by the Light within without something else but gives no Answer to the Argument brought by his Opponent in the forementioned Dialogue p. 9. How that an Angel must be sent to him to tell him that he must send for Simon Peter which was to tell him words by which he must be saved and these words were to teach him that he was to be saved not simply or only by the Light or Christ within him without Christ that was outwardly Crucified and Faith in him Page 9. He proceeds in his false Way of Stating the Controversie and Arguing from a false Hypothesis that because that Light in all Men is God and God is sufficient and able to save all For the true Controversie is not what God can do but what Sufficiency of Help he hath given to all Men for their eternal Salvation as whether this Help is only and alone the Light within as it signifies the common Illumination or as it signifies the Divine Word as giving to Men only an inward Illumination discovering God's eternal Power and some moral Principles of Sobriety and Justice and general Piety towards God considered only as a Creator without Christ Crucified c. And without any special Revelation of God concerning Christ as he was Crucified died for our Sins rose and Ascended This is the true State of the Question and by the whole Tenor of this Quakers Discourse he fully agrees with his meer Deist Brethren particularly G. W. and W. P. That hold that the Light within every Man is sufficient to his Salvation without any thing else i. e. Christ Crucified and without all Faith in him as such Page 10. Having Perverted and Misapplied several places of Scripture as Rom. 3.25 Isaiah 4.21 Isaiah 60.5 c. All which have a special Reference to Christ without us as he is offered in the Doctrin of the Gospel together with the special Inspirations and Illuminations given to the Faithful in the belief of the Gospel to prove that the Light within saveth without any thing else he bringeth in his Church-man to assent to and approve of all this his gross Perversion and Misapplication of the Scriptures and makes his Church-man assent to the Quakers Proof which he calls his Principal Proof out of the Gospel to be Read on Christmas Day adding that he remembers they i. e. the Church of England Pray that God would inspire them with his holy Spirit that they may always think and do those things which please him whence he infers and then we must needs have this within us c. Answ What a Fictitious and Treacherous as well as Ignorant Church-man the Quaker here introduceth as if the Church of England by this Prayer Prayed only to be saved by the common Illumination and did not Pray for special superadded Illuminations and Inspirations above and beyond the common But whereas he fains the Author of the fore-mentioned Dialogue to be a Scotch Presbyterian the Quakers infallible Discerning hath here failed him for that Author is neither Presbyterian nor Scotch-man Page 13. The Quaker saith they faithfully believe all those things and all other holy Doctrins contained in the holy Scriptures viz. That Christ has bought us with his most precious Blood the Resurrection of that holy Body with it's Ascension into Heaven Answ But how do they believe them in a quite other Sense than is either meant in Scripture or understood by all sound Christians Page 15. The Quaker saith yea that Spirit which he promised should bring all things to our Remembrance we have received and it brings to our Remembrance God's great love in sending his Son and Christ's great Love in Suffering and Dying for us and