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A68098	A pleasant dialogue, betweene a souldior of Barwicke, and an English chaplaine Wherein are largely handled & laide open, such reasons as are brought in for maintenaunce of popishe traditions in our Eng. church. Also is collected, as in a short table, 120. particular corruptions yet remaining in our saide church, with sundrie other matters, necessary to be knowen of all persons. Togither with a letter of the same author, placed before this booke, in vvay of a preface.	Gilby, Anthony, ca. 1510-1585.	1581 (1581)	STC 11888; ESTC S109674	76,666	200

by my talke by all these bruites abroade and by the bitter contention that is fallen amongest the learned that these thinges do not edifie For such thinges as rayse contention in the Church of Christe do not edifie These ragges haue raised such a contention in England as neuer was since the gospell was in Englande Therefore they do not edifie They choke the synceritie of the gospell they staye and stoppe the course of the gospell they declare them to be halters that we are them they ioyne hands and drawe the yoke with the wicked Papistes they declare no true sigues of repentaunce whylest they are not ashamed of the shewes of their olde whorishe superstitions they giue Christe a reede in his hande and attire him with a crowne of thorne as though hee were vnable to appointe his Ministerie and Sacramentes without mens deuises they take away the differēce of the olde and new Testament they keepe the people in blindnesse and in the heauie clogge of cōscience that they thinke still that no Sacramentes are rightlie ministred without them they cause Christes seruauntes the true Preachers to be euill spoken of as the traditions aforetime did Christ and his Apostles Howe dare any man affirme then for verie shame that these ragges do edifie And if they do so they must bring more than their owne bare authoritie least they bee founde subiect to this sentence of Isaiah Wo vnto them that speake good of euill and euill of good which put darknesse for light light for darknesse Wo vnto thē that are wise in their owne eyes prudent in their owne sight whiche buylde againe y e things that they haue destroyed and make themselues transgressors Bern. I praye thee refrayne from these raging heates so can I like thy talke verie well Mil. These are no carnall passions nor rages as thou supposest But as my sayings haue their grounde of Gods holie worde so I thanke God I doo feele the zeale of gods glorie and the loue of my Brethren leade me thus to speake And the verie hatred of that Romane Antichriste and the griefe of harte to see the godlie Preachers by this vile occasion persecuted spoyled and prisoned by their brethren and rayled vpon by the papistes and Neutralles and their places occupied by such as will onelie weare the garmentes may trouble anie Christian conscience And marke who are the moste readie to weare this popishe geare Euen the papistes the moste enemies of the Gospell for they would neuer yet refuse them but by their craftie packing haue caused many other that haue no courage for the trueth but goe backwarde not forwarde to turne to them contrarie to the precepte of God by Ieremiah Let them returne vnto thee but return thou not vnto them And I will make thee vnto this people a strong brasen wall They shall fight agaynst thee and not preuayle c. Beholde what the way is to edifie to turne whollie from the wicked vnto God onelie as the Lorde saith agayne by Ieremiah O Israell if thou returne returne vnto mee Shall my Heritage be vnto me as a birde of diuers coloures O saieth the Lord by his Prophet Hosea Ephraim hath mixed him selfe amonge the Heathen Israel is as a cake on the hearth not turned Agayne They returne but not to the moste Highe They are like a deceytfull Bowe Whereby wee maye learne that the whole turning vnto God from all superstitions and not the patched turning is that which doeth edifie The waye to edifie in Christes Kingedome is described in these wordes In that daye sayeth the Lorde of Hostes I will cut off the names of the Idolles out of the lande and they shalbe no more remembred And I will cause the false prophetes and the vncleane Spirites to departe out of the lande And when anie shall yet prophecie his father and his mother shall kill him And in that daye the Prophetes shal be ashamed of their visions neyther shall they weare their roughe garmentes to deceaue Beholde nowe that the spreading of Christes Kingdome is to take awaye the verie names and all monumentes and remembraunces of the Idolles and to make the false Teachers ashamed of theyr Garmentes wherein they haue mocked God his people Thou mayest easelie perceaue hereby Bernard that to appointe these garments as ornamentes for Christes Ministers and Sacramentes is not the right waye to edifie Christes people no more than a skarre Crowe can geather Crowes or a Wolues skinne can please the sheepe Our Sauiour Christe tooke awaye the Garmentes appointed by his father because in his spirituall kingdome they could nothing edifie And shall Antichristes Garmentes toyes therein edifie Christe reiecteth al the outwarde forme of worshippe both of the Iewes and Gentiles and sayeth That his father will from thence forth bee worshipped in Spirite and trueth And he knew the best of al others what could edifie Furthermore thus bitterlie to striue for the mayntenaunce of Popishe garmentes after the Pope is banished for massing garmentes after the Masse is abolished for the ragges of that Idolatrous and blasphemous Priesthoode where wee saye It is detested and abiured it is a great madnes Therefore it can not edifie And this mayntenaunce of the monuments of their olde spirituall fornication doth declare that men haue not yet repēted of their olde spirituall fornication Wherefore this doeth not edifie No of the contrarie it maketh to edification to bring the popishe priesthoode into full detestation But that can neuer be so long as their garments are appoynted by authoritie to bring honour reuerence to Christes ministerie and Sacramentes the strumpettes garishe geare to attire the moste chaste Virgine Antichristes whorishe smocke to Christes pure spouse howe can this edifie Bern. Stay thy self thou wilt neuer haue done Goe nowe to the seconde that these are preceptes of men Mil. Why doubtest thou of that They are not of God For it is not written in Gods booke that the Ministers of GOD should weare the garmentes of the Idolatrous priestes but the contrarie as is partlie declared and shalbe made more playne hereafter Therefore not being of God they must eyther come from man or frō the Deuill or from both together Bern. Nay there be many things that are left indifferent as all the creatures of God may be indifferently vsed or not vsed And therefore by authoritie may bee commaunded Mil. Besides that in matters of Religiō mens commaundementes are vayne There be foure things which may make things indifferent by creation not indifferent to bee vsed of Christians The first is If that they beare the markes of the Idolles as straūge formes onely vsed to y t purpose or straūge names vsed onely in the idolatrous seruice as Cope or Surplesse The seconde if they be by vsage superstitious so that vnto them is attributed any kinde of holinesse as thoughe without them the sacramentes coulde not be ministred Thirdly if they be commaunded against christian libertie

incense nor to weare a garlande vpon their heads because the christian souldier is commanded to abstayne from all shew of euill and to sight and striue agaynst the workes of darkenesse and to reprooue them and so striuing as hee oughte to doe waite for the Garlande So rather would I sterue vnder Barwick Walles than doe as thou doest and haste counselled me to doe either in taking of a Benefice by such vnlawful means or to enter into the popes liuerie my sworn enemie because I am an English man and to mee most detestable of all other earthly creatures because I am a christian man for I know am fully perswaded by the worde of God that the Pope is y e very Antichrist the sonne of perdition against whom with hart and hand I doe thinke my selfe moste bounde to fight Therefore my harte ariseth in my body when I see thee and thy fellows cloathed like his Chaplaines that burned the blessed Bible and our faythfull fathers and deare Brethren in our eyes You say that it is great wisdome for you to weare this Popishe geare and call other men fooles that will not doe it Then was there greater wisdome say I in the Pope and his Priestes that haue taught you thus to doe So may men say of a hundred points of poperie that you maintaine buying and selling licences dispensations pluralities absolutions and other marchandise of that Romane Antichrist And I doe aske you all as you will aunswere before God what doe you by these your deedes but approoue that Romish beast and labour to heale his deadly wounde and so to make a mocke of a reformation of religion But God wil not be mocked There was neuer yet any reformation begunne and after repented but it was terribly punished It is better not to haue known the way of truth saith Peter than after they haue knowne it to turne from the holy commaundement You began to runne well sayth Paule what carnall imaginations haue hindered your course Seeing we haue begunne the true Religiō by casting away mans traditions worshipping God in spirit as our Sauiour Christ hath taught vs he will not be content that you maynteyne these carnall beggerlie Antichristian pompes rites lawes garmentes and traditions Therefore like as Paule crieth out against the Galathians and calleth them fooles and counteth them bewitched for turning backe but to Iewishe ceremonies So might I call thee a foolishe Papiste bewitched by Antichrist that thus raylest against the Ministers of Christe for the maintenaunce of thy fooles bables borowed of the Papistes Bern. I do cal them none otherwise than all the world calleth them And thou shouldest do me great iniurie if thou didst so call me neither would I beare it at thy handes for it might put me in hazard of my liuing if I should yeeld to be a papist neither doth the garment make a man otherwise then he is as is the olde prouerbe Mil. No but the Garmente giueth men great occasion to gesse what hee is or howe he woulde bee counted a Courtier or a Carter a Collier or a Souldier as thou and I were wonte to weare Skarfes Harquibushes or Halbertes to signifie what we were and thou knowest that if we see a man in a Friers garment or a Fooles coate eyther we say he is so or else he woulde be so counted If he weare a Hares skutte or a horne we cal him a Hunter If he weare the weede of a regular we cal him by his order Mōke Frier or Hermite If he weare this secular Weede men haue hitherto counted him a secular priest for this was the playne difference amongst thē that their secular priests forth of the Churche shoulde weare this apparaile that you doe and in the Churche at the least they shoulde weare a surples also as you doe The other Sectes had likewise their Sutes some Cattes tayles some graye Amices some Lambeskinnes some white Miniuere some blacke some blew some chaungeable Sarcenet as you haue yet in your Monasteries and Cathedrall Churches The which Fooles hoodes are but a vayne pharisaicall pompe then vttering pride when they shoulde be most farre from pride when they appeare before God in prayers And therefore all these popishe fooleries should be banished from Christs church for Christ our Sauiour if he had thought them decent for his religion woulde haue commaunded them but hee forbiddeth vs suche Pharisaicall shewes and his father will not now be worshipped as the Iewes did then or as the Idolaters haue done at any time And Peter and Paule with all the other Apostles and faithful Ministers of Christ as they were otherwaies known then by garments so needed they no commaundement for garmentes neither gaue they any commaundement for their successors but onely to be known by the careful feeding of Christ his flocke and such other markes as Paule nameth in the sixt chapter of the seconde Epistle to the Corinthians But that proud Pope who is that cursed idoll sheapheard that he might be contrarie to Christ and his in all thinges and that he might haue sure marks and euident knowledge of his trayterous broode in al countreies caused al his sects and sworn souldiers men and women to chaunge their liueries from the Kinges liege people wheresoeuer they dwelt So that no King nor Emperor had any authoritie ouer them in any that tooke this Popish attire vppon their backes they had so many priuiledges and immunities Wherfore if Princes will suffer still those that should be their subiectes to weare such Popish weedes they shall not want Popishe practises of such as delite in their olde Fathers liueries by whome they had so many commodities Bern. If Maister Examinator say true these ministers are worse then the Papists for he calleth them Shrinkers Schismatikes Bellygods Deceauers Flatterers hastening to the secte of Anabaptistes and Libertines little differing from Donatistes Disturbers Factions Scoffers Biters Snappers at Superiours like Pelagians like Andians Rogatians and Circumcellians and smell of the Papistes Mil. What Of the Papistes All is like true Would to God none of your side did more smell of Papistrie nor of the other vices Are they Shrinkers that willingly giue their bodies to the prison rather then they will departe from the simplicitie of Christ his gospel was Paule a Shrinker that would not circumcise Titus for y e false brethren Nay they are Shrinkers that turne back as your men haue done Eleazar was no shrinker that would not eat swines flesh neither the Mother nor the seuen Brethren nor yet Daniell nor yet Moses that would yeeld nothing for commaundement As for Schysmatikes they cannot bee that cleaue so fast to Christe that they will suffer nothing of Antichriste to come vppon their backes and they holde onely of their heade Christe Howe farre they are from Belly gods all that knowe them can witnesse and their deedes do testifie And if you would put of those poisoned popish weedes we would aske none other

purelie as euer men did since the time of the Apostles the verie Bishoppes their enemies being taken to witnesse What though they will not followe them in popishe trifles Is this a iuste cause why Christe by them should not be preached Was there euer the like example in Christes Church that none should preache Christe vnlesse hee woulde weare such a cappe a tippet such a Cope and a Surplesse Of Antichristes munckerie or other corrupte tymes we talke not neyther in a Christian reformation maye they be once looked backe vnto Let them repent therefore that hinder the preaching of Christ for any such cause For Christ wil not suffer it vnaduenged Bernarde Yet because al Bishoppes in Englande and many good Preachers whiche once had refused this apparell yet nowe by occasion haue receyued it agayne and but a fewe there bee that yet still refuse it Therefore it seemeth to be more expedient and lesse daunger of offence in the Church to bringe a fewe of small estimation to a conformitie with the Bishoppes and theyr great number so esteemed than to suffer inferiours to differ from the Bishoppes and chiefe Prelates Mil. When Peter and Paule were at Antioche they both did eat meate with the Gentiles But at the comming of certayne from Iames Peter fearing them of the circumcision withdrew himselfe so that other Iewes there and Barnabas also were brought into the same dissimulation Then Paule withstoode Peter openly as worthy of reproche for giuing of an example to the Gentiles to keepe Iewish obseruations Wherefore if right proceeding in the truth of the Gospel haue made both these parties once to agree in leauing of Popishe apparaile as it did Paule Peter in leauing of Iewish rites and then feare and respect of some persons mooue now the one parte as Peter was mooued to shrink back to rites reiected in such a case the most expediente way to auoyde all daunger is without regarde of person multitude feare or fauour to keepe and maintayn the truth of the gospell with sinceritie and libertie vnseparable from the same as did Paule at that time Bern. But christian obedience requireth the obseruation of all things indifferent cōmaunded by authoritie And these thinges they say are indifferent Mil. Washing of handes amongest the Iewes was a thing much more indifferent of it selfe than this apparaile not so much abused of the Pharisees as this of the papistes Yet this being commaunded and vrged by them that had authoritie our Mayster Christ defēdeth the not obseruing of it and chargeth the maintainers of it with the breaking of Gods commaūdements for their owne traditions and with hipocrisie and the blinde leading the blinde And so concludeth as may appeare euidently that the authoritie and obedience of christians standeth neither in commaunding nor obseruing but rather in rooting vp all superstitious abuses Bern. But the case standeth thus that authoritie will not Nowe if the Prince might be thereto perswaded the Bishops seeme that they would bee glad to abolishe these Garmentes and all such as thou speakest of But if the Prince will force al Ministers to receaue them or else put them from their liuings and ministerie then it seemeth better to keepe the ministerie and liuings and the libertie of sincere doctrine with this apparaill than without it to lose all and to leaue the church destitute and so sore offende the Prince that hath restored the preachers and the preaching of Christs Gospell Mil. Thus haue the London Ministers the hartes consciences of the Bishops of their side by thy graunt Now if y e Bishops and preachers respecting God the cause onlie haue wished and perswaded not to vse this apparel as Ioab did not to number the people and yet respecting y e Princes commaundement cōtrarie to their former mind should yelde indeede as Ioab did then were it to be feared such sequele of plagues ouer y e people with great griefe to the Prince as was then in Iuda These thinges thus considered moue many good preachers to be cōstante and syncere as in minde doctrine so in conuersation and manners reprouing and refusing all popish trashe especially the furniture of that Idolatrous blasphemous and trayterous priesthoode moste pestilent enimie to al christian authoritie Princely dignitie And therefore many good Preachers be rather resolued for preseruation of the Prince and people from the wrath of God by losing of liuings liues to cōfirme their doctrine truelie taught than keeping liuings with flatterie endaungering the Prince people to build bring againe y t which by faithfull preaching they haue destroyed So can not such preachers be put to silēce their dedes stil declaring cōfirming their doctrine nor y e church by thē destitute who are so readie to confirme true doctrine w t syncere rites maners whiche ought to giue no offence to a godly Prince or people whose safetie next vnto gods glorie is chieflie herein sought Bern. I heard M. Doctor say that y e London ministers made many argumentes but they could not proue their Minors I praye thee what meant he by that worde for I vnderstand him not And what were their arguments tell me if thou knowest For I do not so much mislike your side as I did thou doest answere me so fullie to al y t I demaūd Mil. I wil plainly tell thee some of their arguments thou shalt finde in thē so good reason that thou shalt not bee able to denie them whatsoeuer M. Doctor or M. Proctor do say They reason thus as thou mayst see in this Table where thou mayest perceyue the first sentence of the argument to be called the Maior the second the Minor And the Minors for the moste parte are open to the senses and experience of all menne that will not be blinde of wilfulnesse so that they neede no further demonstration but onely Geometricall such as maister Beza vseth with that Asse Heshutius As for the first Minor that this Popishe ordure doeth not edifie we haue the experiēce in all mens sight by Paules Church in London and the glorious shewes there like as in all the Cathedrall Churches in England where these things are most vsed the people are least edified in Christ because they continewe ignoraunt of Christ being satisfied with their olde superstitious shewes and therefore are most vnreadie and vnmeete to receaue anie profite by Christes wordes and Sacramentes Where contrariwise in all suche Churches where these thinges are caste away the people growe more in knowledge and come by greater numbers with greater reuerence to receaue the holy Sacramentes Bern. I heare manie saye so I can not denie Mil. But learne once to see with thyne owne eyes Whether doest thou think that the Copes and the Surplesses the Piping and the singing within Paules Churche or the preaching onely without this geare in the Churchyarde doth more edifie Bern. Truelie no man dare denie but that the worde doth more edifie But these things