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A70165 Iudahs ioy at the oath layd out in a sermon on the 2 Chro. 15, 15 for Englands example in embracing the parliamentary covenant with readinesse and rejoycing : hereunto is annexed a briefe and moderate answere to The protestation protested, discovering the unsoundnesse of that interpretation of the nationall covenant, and the weaknesse of the grounds there suggested for separate and independant churches / by Iohn Geree ... Geree, John, 1601?-1649. 1641 (1641) Wing G597; ESTC R16455 37,528 68

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still layd upon the god●y but never that in this case they should separate themselves or if they cannot separate the wicked but do their part discovering them desiring their ejection will not that free them from guilt I thinke it will and if not I beleeve he must not long keepe in any of his new Churches But the Apostle saith 1 Cor. 5 6. A little leaven leaveneth the whole lump so those that are corrupt will leaven all A. That is If they be accessory to the corru●tions of others not else againe how doth leaven leaven the lump but by diffusing a reall quality into it now there being two things in sinne the guilt which is a relation and in this case must come by imputation and the staine or vitiousnesse which is a quality and in this respect the corrupt will leaven only thus when he is suffered and countenanced he is apt to infect others with his ill qualities Thus this sentence must be expounded Gal. 5 9. in egard of infection with the same evils from which they shall be safe enough that bewaile and distast his ill qualities though they be at the Sacrament with him yet if they can get assistance one effect of their distast should be excommunication But the Apostle applies it to mixt Communion ver 8 but he misapplies that Text which others more suitably interpret of ieading our lives not eating the Sacrament And for that verse the 9. not to company with fornicators it s meant of familiarity not of the Sacrament For you may see by the two following verses such an accompanying is there forbidden to a Brother which is allowed with an heathen and therefore cannot be meant of Communion in the Sacrament But I hope by the pietie of our Parliament every godly Minister wil be enabled to keepe off all that be guilty of such crimes if that will serve the turne and remove that objection The place Ephes 5 5 7. Be not partakers with them is clearely meant in regard of their sinnes not the Sacrament as appeares by the following verse In Answering the next objection he brings two places to prove that the holy thing of God should not be prophaned but against what adversary whosoever taught so but that the prophaning of them by one should prophane then to others it s denyed his place Isa 1 1● will only prove that God rejected their service whose hands were full of blood not the sacrificers of the good else how will he excuse Isaiahs Communion with that Church or Christ Iesus after him when they were as bad or where is his inference made or practised by the Prophets or Christ from this place of necessity of separation where the prophane be In answering his next quaere he tells us that to Communicate with evill doers is to partake of their evill deeds This is affirmed but not proved nor doe I thinke it ever will that my doing a good action well upon command of God with one that doth the same good Action will make me guilty of his sinne sure I am then Christ and his Prophets and Apostles were all sorely defiled His proofe 2 Thes 3 6. is quite misapplied for it s spoken of withdrawing from him in regard of company and respect which is free and Arbitrary not of the Sacrament wherein they were not to withdraw from him but if the quality of the offence did require it were to put him away In his next Answere he affirmes that no Communion can be had in our Parish Assemblies possibly without setting up new Churches But I hope in this he is much deceived as in the rest He compares us to Sardis formerly yet I hope there Communion might be had without this medicine of new Churches Nay let there be shown any example or any precept in the Scripture that in our case new Churches should be erected and not the old repaired and brought back to the rule from which they have swerved and we will yeeld the cause but if there be no such precept nor example then in vaine are all such pleas as he useth for things which Christ hath neither left precept nor patterne of And when we see God hath heard the Prayers and blest the Nation for the prayers of the godly in our Churches as now they stand and hath made us a people saved by the Lord who is the shield of our helpe and the sword of our excellency more we shal not expect by his new Churches unlesse he convince the necessity of them by better evidence out of the word which when he hath proved we will never put him to trouble to answere inconveniences but will with him buckle our selves to digest them but we will not cast our selves nor will the wisdom of the state suffer it to be cast on inconveniencies for good mens fansies without Christs command Nor wil we ever object it to be too strickt pure or perfect if the rule for it be convinced but we will affirme that being its strayter then the counsell which Christ gave to Sardis and different from it too the pretence of purity and perfection is not to be hearkned to for it is not such in truth but shew because it is not after Christ Col. 2 8. The like we say for envying at them we will blame them that envy at them if they discover the rule for what they doe but till then we shall censure them we hope by this Parliament The Discipline of Christ wil be set up in every Congregation and this will be a better or weaklier managed as the Ministers and members are growne in Christ if then any Christian be where great scandalls are they may remove to other Congregations that have attained a better degree of Reformation and this without any breach His next quaere is what Nationall government shal be set up by the Parliament for which he heartily prayes that God would direct them in so glorious a work and blesseth God for such instruments for such a worke I thanke him for his affection but yet if his Doctrine of the independancy of Churches be sound this prayer cannot be of faith for a man cannot pray in faith that men should meddle with that which is not within their sphaere or Calling and sure if independancy be a liberty of Christ all the Parliament hath to doe is to assert this liberty and what is more is but usurpation Then he tells us that the government of a Nationall Church hath no patterne in the word the full answere of that I refer to the assertion of the government of the Church of Scotland which I doubt not but will give good satisfaction to the indifferent Reader Afterward he discovers me thinkes too much uncharitablenesse and selfe love When he affirmes let them have their liberty and do for the rest what they will t is indifferent to them a litle more care of the soules of Christians might better suite with those that so far transcend others in outward reformation His last objection is inconveniency of independant Churches if they erre as they may they want meanes of re●●●yming which is better set on by the Scotch Assertor yet he hath said more then he hath well answered for having named all the meanes which their independancy is capable of and being conscious it seemes that they were too weake He adds 2 other that quite destroy the independancy As first that other Churches may excommunicate them how are they independant if under the Iurisdiction of other Churches or how can they be excommunicated by those under whose Iurisdiction they are not sure this is worse dependance then under the Presbytery where a part is only subiected to the whole but here a part is subiected to a part And this second is no better for if they be under the Magistrate for any Haeresy why not for all those that are guilty will not confesse any of their Haeresies for knowne Haeresies but assert them for truth and so chalenge exception for them aswell as any and if that be a known heresy which is such to the judgment of the Magistrat thē for all heresy they are to be subject to cēsure their indepēdācy is a nullity Thus have I gon through this whole discourse without indeavouring to stifle but rather sincerely to search out what is truth in every particular It is my desire and prayer that I might doe nothing against but for the truth rather would I desire that God should bring me forth to the severest sufferings for the truth then leave me though in simplicity of heart to oppose any the least trueth What remaines but that while we that minde the same things Christs honour in the salvation of his people and right performance of his Ordinances and differ only in the way labour to keepe Vnity of heart till we have unity of judgment and let our Prayers be united at the Throne of Grace though our persons be in different Societies that God may perswade the wanderers into the Tents of those to whom he hath vouchsafed the better light That God may have the more honour and we the more strength comfort by our free and scruple-lesse consociation Which mercy the Lord vouchsafe for Jesus Christ his sake by the helpe of the Spirit of truth leading into al truth to whom be glory for ever Amen FINIS