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A44127 The faith and testimony of the martyrs and suffering servants of Jesus Christ persecuted in New England vindicated against the lyes and slanders cast on them by Nathaniel Morton in his book intituled New England memorial / written ... by ... Christopher Holder. Holder, Christopher, d. 1688.; Rous, John, d. 1695. A few queries put forth. 1670 (1670) Wing H2384; ESTC R31117 8,220 11

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The Faith and Testimony of the Martyrs and suffering Servants of Christ Jesus persecuted in New England vindicated against the lyes and slanders cast on them by Nathaniel Morton in his Book intituled New Englands Memorial Written for the sake of the honest hearted by a servant of the living God who is a witness of the Resurrection of Christ Jesus and of his appearance the second time without sin unto Salvation Christopher Holder A faithful witness will not lye but a false record will speak lyes Prov. 14.5 they bend their tongues like their bows for lies but they have no courage for truth upon the Earth for they proceed from evil to worse and they have not known me saith the Lord Jer 9.3 THere is no new thing under the Sun as it hath been alwayes so it is now he that is born after the flesh persecuteth him that is born after the Spirit the fruits of which we have found plentifully in New England the beast and false Prophet hath joyned together to war with the Lamb and his followers and the Dragon hath opened his mouth wide to swallow up the woman that is coming up out of the wilderness through whom the man child shall be brought forth to rule the Nations with a rod of Iron In the power of which Dragon I have found one Nathaniel Morton as by the language which proceedeth out of his mouth doth plainly appear in a Book tituled New Englands Memorial where in he undertakes to write against an innocent harmless people whom God hath made choice of to bear witness ●o his Spirit of God are led by the spirit of God and again as many as walk according to this rule peace be unto them and mercy upon the Israel of God 〈…〉 this is Christ by whom man became a new creature as it is ●lea● by the fore going words in that Chapter how can you own it to be a setled permanant rule when as one of your Majestrates William Collier by name said to William Newland and Ralph Allen that in Beza's translation there is eight hundred errours in the last translation three hundred errours surely if there be so many errours in that which ye call your setled permanent rule you had need to have the Spirit of truth to show you wherein the errours are or else you will soon e're from the truth and the rule of life and salvation 3dly Thou sayest they deny the man-hood of Christ and affirm that as a man he is not in Heaven Ans As for the word manhood I know not of such a word in the Scriptures but if thou mean by manhood the man Christ Jesus which was conceived of the holy Ghost in the womb of the Virgin Mary who was of the seed of David according to the flesh who took on him the seed of Abraham who was crucified by the Jews and rose again the third day according to the Scriptures then I utterly deny what thou saist and do affirm that that Jesus Christ we own and no other and do verily believe through him and by him to be saved and by no other knowing that he only died for our sins and is risen again for our justification and is ascended into the highest Heavens Angels principallities and powers being subjected unto him where he is glorified with the same glory that he had with the father before the world was who is the express Image of the invisible God the first born of every creature for by him were all things created both visible and invisible and is the head and ●ridegroom of the Church which he hath purchased unto himself by his blood this is our faith concerning Christ and if your faith is other wise then this it is contrary unto the faith of Gods elect that gave forth the Scriptures and then your Christ is not the true Christ but Antichrist and you are of them that deny both the Father and the Son and then your doctrine is damnable and corrupt and so that which you charge others withall you are guilty of your selves 4thly Thou sayest they deny the Resurrection of the dead Ans This charge also I utterly deny do affirm that we believe that as in the first Adam all died so in the second Adam shall all be made alive and shall be raised unto life everlasting or unto condemnation everlasting and that all shall receive from the name of the Lord a just reward for their deeds done in the body whether they be good or whether they be evil else were we of all men most miserable if we had only hope in this life and as the Apostle saith if the dead arise not at all why are they then baptized for the dead and why suffered we imprisonments whipings Cuttings of our ears and some of us the loss of our lives whose blood still lies at the doors of our persecutors in New England herein thou may be a witness of the falseness of the charge for if we were such as thou would by thy lies make us to be we might say as the Apostle did it being the consequence of such 〈◊〉 tenant let us eat and drink for to morrow we shall dye but our suffering unto death doth testifie that our hope was not only in this life but that after the desolution of our House of this Earthly tabernacle we should have a building of God a House not made with hands eternal in the Heavens it is evident that they who deny the resurrection cannot with chearfulness offer up their lives to the death as our friends did because then the hope of all their injoyments are at an end but our martyred friends being in the same faith as the ancient worthies were one of them not accepting deliverance but by constraint when offered that she might obtain a better resurrection further we can truly say as Paul did in the like case what did it advantage him of he had fought with beasts at Ephesus after the manner of men if the dead he not raised so can we say not what doth it advantage us if we have fought with Beasts at New England after the maner of Men if the dead rise not whom we found more like Wolves Bears and devouring Lyons then like Christian Men as witness your fore mentioned cruelty on the innocent Lambs of Christ whom he sent among you to warn you of the evil of your ways so by what here is written what we also suffered among you I hope it will manifestly appear unto all honest hearted people that not we but you as your practices have shewn do deny the resu●rection and Nathaniel Morton if thou art as grosly false in other things in thy Book called New Englands Memorial as in this it is not worthy to be minded by any but as the Memorial of the wicked perish 5thly Thou sayest they affirm that an absolute perfection in holiness and grace is attainable in this life Ans These are thy own words but
if thou rightly understand the cause thereof it would cause thee to lament and not rejoyce if thou hast any tenderness in thee towards God for in that the Lord requireth us not to visit you as formerly it plainly signifieth that the day of your visitation is over and that you are left to your selves and given up to hardness of heart and blindness of mind as Israel of old was whom the Prophet complained of saying why should they be smitten any more they revolt more and more Again as touching Ephraim the Prophet saith Ephraim is joyned to Idols let him alone again Christ saith of the Pharisees let them alone they are the blind leaders of he blind and again he that is filthy let him be filthy still so that it is an evident sign that that visitation is over and that the next thing that can be expected is utter destruction from the hand of the Lord and I am jealous nay I veri●y believe this is the case with many of you at this day in New England who have had a hand so deeply in shedding the Innocent blood of the faithful servants and messengers of the most high who loved not their lives to the death that they might finish their testimony in faithfulness to the Lord among you And why Nathaniel did thou not mention in thy Memorials how you have caused the innocent people called Quakers to suffer by you how you have imprisoned whipped spoiled their goods cut off their ears banished and hanged them for the breach of no known just Law either of God or man surely it thou had●● been an impartial Historian thou would have mentioned this but I believe your actions have been so riged and bloody contrary to justice and equity Christianity and humanity that thou art ashamed it should be recorded for a Memorial for Ages to come that they might understand how far you are digressed from that which ye pretended you came hither for to wit liberty of Conscience and why did not thou write impartially of things and men as they were as they did who writ the Kings and Chronicles who plainly declared of men as they were justifying of that which was good and disowning that which was evil in them though they were their Kings Governors or Priests but thou hast manifest thy self to write by another spirit then they writ and hast done quite contrary crying up men beyond what they were and indeed beyond what your principle is its possible for man to be whilst in the body but thou hast manifested thy folly and hypocricy to all men who knew these men it may be better then thy self as for some of them I well know to be men quite contrary both in life and judgement to what thou hast reported of them Therefore my desire is that 〈◊〉 may come to see the deceit of thy heart and the falseness 〈…〉 that roles thee and if possible that thou may come to repent of it and turn from it least thou he swept away in the like judgments as some of them were of whom thou makest mention to be miraculously slain with Thunder for know this except you repent ye shall all likewise perish and he swept away in judgment as your Fore fathers the Persecutors in other ages have been For know this that the Lord nor God is risen to sweep the earth and the day of 〈…〉 is at 〈◊〉 and the year of recompence draweth nigh for the sins of the great 〈◊〉 Babilon and Egypt whose Children ye are as by your spirits is manifest and the cry thereof is come up unto Heaven and God hath remembred her iniquiteis and she shall receive double from the hand of the Lord for all her transgressions for in her hath been found the blood of the prophets and Saints and Martyrs of Jesu Christ and of all that hath been slain upon the Earth and she shall be rewarded as she hath rewarded us and receive in the cup double for that which she ha●h filled to us have she or you her children called us Deceivers Hereticks Antichristian pernitious and damnable we will now call her Deceiver Hereticks Antichristian pernitious and damnable yea we can double it upon her for we can prove it to be so or else her Children and as by your fruits for as the have done so have you murdered killed and scandalized the Innocent harmless Lambs of Christ so it is evident that ye are members of the great Whore falfe Church Antichrist that you are guilty of those charges which thou and thy brethren have falsl● charged upon us who are called Quakers So in short I have said something for clearing of the Truth from the flood of slanders which thou hast cast out against it who am one of those that first came among you and have felt the cruelty of all your Laws except death and have outlived them and by the power of the Lord come over them all so that I and the rest of my brethren can walk through all your jurisdictions and not a hand lifted up against us though thou hast gloried so much of your being delivered from us Christopher Holder And now Nath. Morton the truth in the above mentioned particulars being c●eared and thy lies falshoods cast upon it disowned a few Queries I put forth who have been a sufferer among you in New England for thee or any other to answer who are of that Jewish and Antichristian spirit of persecution to answer that so it may appear whether your Doctrines and practices are most agreeable to Christ and his Apostles or ours we being the sufferers and you the persecutors 1. Whether the Jews in their zeal for the Law of Moses persecuting Christ his Apostles were not as justifiable as you seeing they stood up for that which they had received by Moses from the Lord but you for that which you have set up of your selves received by tradition whether it be not the same Spirit that is now working in you as was among them seeing your works are one and the same with them for they by Christs coming to fulfill the Law thought he did go about to distroy it and you by our preaching up the Life and perfection of the Scriptures think we go about to make them void and of no effect 2. Whether the odious terms which you cast upon us our doctrines as a cursed sect Hereticks Blasphemers holders of damnab●e doctrines such like do not proceed from the same Spirit which was among the Jews heathen who called Paul a pestilent fellow a seducer a mover of sedition 〈◊〉 a Ringleader of the Sect of the Nazareeni seeing we as he did teach no other things then are contained in the Scriptures of truth and is it not a certain mark of a false Church ●o persecute seeing persecution was never used by any of the true Church their weapons not being carnal but Spiritual and persecution was not known amongst them that bore the Name of Christianity till there was a degeneration among them whether you have not reason to question your state being found i● the steps of their degeneration 3. Whether the people of New England in leaving their native Country intended never to come to a further discovery of the Lord and whether when the Lord sent his servants among you to make known his way further to you ye did well so evilly to intreat them even in the highest extremity shewing your selves more like heathens then Christians 4. Whether Christs commands Swear not at all be not positive and whether not at all doth not exclude all manner of swearing by one thing as well as another in one case as well as an other and whether any man upon earth is able to dispence with the breach of this his command se●ing there is a heavy denunciation against him that shall break one of the least of them and teach men so to do and a promise to him that shall observe them and teach them and whether the testimony of him that feareth the Lord may not be as true and worthy to be taken without an oath as the testimony of him that feareth not the Lord nor breaking his command is with an oath seeing the one out of conscience to God dare not speak a lie but the other not fearing to speak a lie may with the same searedness of conscience swear a lie also 5. And what inconvenience have been found where mens testimonies under the penallty of perjury for false swearing have been taken seeing if a good conscience be not kept they run the same hazard and corporall punishment as if they Swore falsely which is the greatest obligation upon men not fearing God that may be John Rous N. M. If there had been the same liberty in New-England for the publishing truth by us as for thee to publish the Scandals a fore mentioned an answer had appeared in Print before this time ERRATA Page 1. line 26. for 〈…〉 is manifest p. 2. l. 29. for by r. and that p. 3. l. 2● for and Gods r. God and p. 4. l. 32. for 〈◊〉 what r. what p. 6. l. ● for the r. their