Selected quad for the lemma: truth_n

Word A	Word B	Word C	Word D	Occurrence	Frequency Band	MI	MI Band	Prominent
truth_n	hour_n	spirit_n	worship_v	4,747	5	10.0865	5	true

Text snippets containing the quad

ID	Title	Author	Corrected Date of Publication (TCP Date of Publication)	STC	Words	Pages
A31362	The moderate enquirer resolved in a plain description of several objections which are summed up together and treated upon by way of conference, concerning the contemned [sic] people commonly called Quakers who are the royal seed of God and whose innocency is here cleared in the answers to the many objections that are frequently produced by their opponents : which may be profitable for them to read that have any thing against them, and useful for all such as desire to know the certainty of those things which are most commonly reported of them / written in behalf of the brethren, in vindication of the truth, by VV. C.	Caton, William, 1636-1665.	1658 (1658)	Wing C1515; ESTC R29186	28,001	70

world Res. This is but words springing forth of ●heir persecutors and back-biters will not say the same to their face when they are present to answer for themselves and for the Truth But tell me couldst thou with M●ses rather s●ffer affliction with such a people to wit Imprisonment spoiling of thy Goods loss of thy good name and reputation and be bitten with the Priests mouths to be deprived of thy liberty estate to be seperated from thy wife and children kindreds and relations wouldst thou suffer this for the truth's sake as these people are ready to do when they are thereunto called Would not this cross fall on thee heavy this way prove to thee strait and this gate narrow Wouldst thou not rather chuse to enjoy the pleasures of sin the delights and vanities of the world the pleasures and renown thereof while that thou livest in the same thou maist enquire after the certainty of the reports which are reported of those that are redeemed from those things in which thou livest and confess the truth of that which they possess and thou thy self be out of it Enq. That is true but I hope we need not be so severe and strict so wil●ul as to leav● our wives and children and callings for dost 〈◊〉 not know that he that doth not provide for his Family is worse then an Infidel Res. Thou canst not be too strict and severe in godliness but thou waist be too wilful peevish and perverse in wickedness too faithless in trusting God to provide for those that he hath given thee in that particular thou maist be as an Infidel thy self or as one of the Gentiles which seeketh after things pertaining to this life saying What shall we eat or what shall we drink or wherewithall shall we be cloathed but by taking of thought they cannot add one cubit unto their stature Now if thou come to the light wherewith Jesus Christ hath enlightned thee it will bring thee to the faith of Gods elect by which the ust doth live and then thou wilt come to provide things honest in the sight of all men to be diligent in the creation serving the Lord in thy place calling wherein thou art to abide and not voluntarily to leave thy wife children without providing for thy Family that which is honest decent and fitting otherwise thou wilt be condemned by the light in thy conscience which is a swift witness against all wilfulness peevishness and perversness both in Jew and Gentile Enq. Well these things doth pertain to one● own particular ●hich indeed are good in thems●●ves but I woul● be further informed ●oncern●●g these people called quakers in general I would have thee tell me how they came to have that name and who gave it them Res. To speak of things which concerns ones own particular is commonly the most beneficial but it is the property of fools to be busie in other mens matters but let us come to thy question how they came to have that name the which I intend to declare unto thee if the Lord will After that the Lord had visited them in his everlasting love and convinced them of his eternal truth then did he manifest his eternal power in them which made the strong man to bow himself and the keepers of the house to tremble by the operation of which power the bodies of some of these people came to be shaken like as David's was and this being apparent unto many spectators who despised and wondred at the workings of the power of the Lord these despisers and wonderers who were also scorners did from hence give these people this Name so that thou may take notice that it was the generation of scorners that gave them it Enq. Now I understand it but thou hints David as though he had been a quaker 't is true fearfulness trembling came u●on him but was there any other of the holy men of God that quaked if so why then do the people think it so strange now Res. The work of the Lord was eve● strange to the world for when David qu●ked trembled and roared all they tha● saw him laught him to scorn so that h● was a reproach of men and despised of the people and his words do the scoffers and scorners o● this generation read and sing and reproacheth and despiseth them tha● tremble quake at the Word of the Lord as he did There were other of the holy men of God that were quakers as for example Mo●es he was one that did fear and quake and the Prophet Haba kuk his lips quivered his belly shook and rottennes● entred into his bones and that was strange to the men of his generation like as David's quakings and roarings was strange and wonderful in his dayes and several more examples might be instanced by which the ignorance of this generation might more fully be understood and manifested Some of which hath not been afraid to call the power of God which hath made thes● people to quake and tremble Wi●chcraft and to say that it was of the Devil but they were such as spoke evil of Dignities and did erre not knowing the Scripture which speaketh of quakers nor the power of God which causeth the fleshly man to quake and the keepers o● the house to tremble the which these people do witness Enq. But as touching their Worship or the manner of it what is it Read they sing they or pray they in their Meetings Or deny they singing and praying as is reported of them Res. Their manner of Worship doth differ very much from the world and they that are of the world can neither take pleasure nor delight in it for when they come together they wait upon the Lord in his light it may be sometimes two or three hours in silence and sometime it hapneth that in less space then one hour some of them may be moved to speak more or less to the edifying of the rest in the mos● holy Faith but their Worship consisteth not in words but in spirit and in truth and in the light of truth they read their own conditions which light doth open unto them the misteries of the kingdom And for singing and praying they do them both with the spirit and with understanding but the formal singing and praying of the world which is not in the spirit nor with understanding this they do deny for they see that God is not honored by it and that which dishonoureth God they disown but that which honoreth and exalteth him alone to that their souls are united and dearly they do it own Enq. But this doth seem very strange 〈◊〉 me that they should sit some hours together silence had they not better read pray an● sing that they might thereby get the motion● the spirit by exercising of themselves in s●cred devotion Res. It seemeth not strange unto the● alone but unto thousands more who can● not apprehend that which they are

doth it not Enq. Well but it is a fashion which men ●ve and a token of civi● respect had they ●t better please men by conforming unto them 〈◊〉 this thing of small importance then to of●nd them through abstaining from doing of it ●r we read that Paul became all to all unto 〈◊〉 Iews he became as a Iew c. Res. The fashions of this World will ●ass away but the Word of God endures for ●ver by which Word these people 〈◊〉 redeemed from the World so that the● cannot be conformable to it in its way● worships customs and fashions all whi●● will pass away and if they should seek 〈◊〉 please men then were they not the se●●vants of Christ whose servants never 〈◊〉 such a token of civil respect as doffing 〈◊〉 the hat that we read of in the whole Sc●●pture and who dare call them his servan● that receive honor of men from their ha●● and are offended if it be not given the● surely they are not like unto him in the thing for he received not honor from me● neither did he seek it but said unto tho● that did How can ye believe that recei●● honor one of another and seek not 〈◊〉 honor that cometh from God onely And although Paul became as a Jew u●● to the Jews as without law to them th●● were without law yea all things to all me● this he did for the Gospels sake not 〈◊〉 please men but that he might by all mea● save some therefore condescended he 〈◊〉 the simplicity in them speaking low thin●● to their capacity and understanding the so by guile he might catch them and ga● or win them to the truth but who dare 〈◊〉 that he became an Idol-worshipper wit● Idolaters If so how should he hav● brought any from that Idolatry to have worshipped the living God Or who dare say that he became an opposer of Truth with opposers If so how should he have gained any of them to the truth but it was not so with Paul who shewed himselfe in all things approved of God ●n whose sight he commended himself to every mans conscience Enq. I am perswaded that if these People ●ere admitted to answer for the●selves upon ●ll occasions many would come to be satisfied 〈◊〉 things concerning them wherein they are 〈◊〉 inform'd Res. Oh yea but alas such reports are ●umored abroad of them by such as say ●eport and we will report it as is not fit●ng to be named among Christians and ●ese Reports being credited or regarded ●y simple people they become odious and ●espised among men and therefore is it ●at there is so much whooting and hissing 〈◊〉 them in the streets but if they might 〈◊〉 admitted to make their own defence in ●e presence of prudent and understanding ●en having their accusers face to face to ●ove their accusations that they have a●inst them I believe many would come to 〈◊〉 better satisfied the mouths of gain 〈◊〉 would come to be stopped and the ignorance of foolish men would come to be silenced but that is the policy and subtilty of their grand Adversary who was a Lyar from the beginning to make people believe all the horrid lies that can be spoken invented of them and thereby comes the minds of thousands to be evil affected against the precious truth which if the● were but rightly informed of the certainty of things reported they would either b● brought to the acknowledgement of the truth otherwise to lay their hands upo● their mouths and become silent if the● were not evil men and seducers and suc● thou knowest will grow worse and wors● Enq. Hath the truth of God been so d●famed blasphemed and reproached in oth●● generations as it is now in this age Res. Yea in all ages when the Lord appeared by his power to reveal his precio●● Truth upon the face of the earth Sat●● who goes to fro in the earth hath sti●red up his instruments to defame bla●pheme and reproach it by whose blasph●mies the living Truth hath been much ●●faced and so it is now at this day by 〈◊〉 multitude of lyes false reports and aspe●●ons which are cast upon it by wicked a● ungodly men who cry out against such 〈◊〉 formerly have defamed blasphemed a●● reproached the Truth and they themsel●●● are blasphemers and reproachers like as the Jews did who exclaimed against their Fathers for killing the Prophets yet they themselves put him to death who was the Prince of Glory of whom the Prophets prophesied Enq. But I would yet ask something concerning these People Baptize they their children Or are they themselves baptized Res. Their children they do not baptize according to the course of the World for they find no Scripture that speaks of Infants baptism nor no example in the Scripture for the same yet they who are in the unity are baptized by one Spirit into one Body and so many of them as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death that they should walk in newness of life and this is the onely baptism which they do witness Enq But were ●hey never baptized with Elementary water Res. Some of them in the time of ignorance were baptized with outward Water supposing that it were necessary for salva●ion but after they had taken up the Ordi●ance they took up their rest also in the ●ead form did apply the Promises whic●●as due to Believers although little or no ●eformation was wrought in them yet ●hey were conceited in themselves that it was well with them until the Lord in his infinite love opened their blind eyes and then they saw themselves to be poor naked and miserable that that rest which they had taken up was not the rest which the Lord had prepared for his people neither was that baptism wherewith they were baptized the baptism which should save them by the resurrection of Jesus Christ neither did the Promises pertain unto them which they had applyed to themselves and that which gave them to see these things was the light of Jesus Christ in them bywhich they were brought afterwards to witness the baptism of the Holy Ghost and Fire Enq. But are there none of them sent to baptize that so others being baptized by them might come to witness the one baptism also Res. The same command that Christ gave at the first he is with us to the end of the World which is Go teach all Nations baptizing them in the Name of the Father of the Son of the Holy Ghost but here is no outward Water mentioned and the everlasting Gospel they are sent to preach and they do turn people from darkness to light from the power of Satan unto God and so many as receive their testimony believe in the light which they are turned unto they come to witness the one baptism which is by one spirit into one body although they be never dipped nor sprinkled with outward Water and hundreds of these people are come to witness this