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A48473 Plaine truth without feare or flattery, or, A true discovery of the unlawfulnesse of the Presbyterian government it being inconsistent with monarchy, and the peoples liberties, and contrary both to the protestation and covenant : the end of establishing the militia of London in such hands as it is now put into by the new ordinance, the betraying votes and destructive practices of a traiterous party in the House of Commons concerning certain petions for liberty and justice : also, a vindication of His Excellency Sir Thomas Fairfax, concerning certaine scurrulous words uttered by some of the said faction : with the meanes and wayes that must be used to obtaine reliefe against the said cyrannous usurpers, and for reducing the parliament to its due rights, power and priviledges, in the preservation of the kingdomes laws and liberties / written by I.L. Lilburne, John, 1614?-1657. 1647 (1647) Wing L2156; ESTC R12537 30,822 22

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what the good will of the Lord is concerning his Church and worship what order and rule he hath prescribed and left us by his owne Son in the Gospel Doth not God the Father say This is my beloved Son heare ●hin Mark 9.7 And is it not written And Moses truely said unto the Fathers A Prophet shall the Lord your God raise up unto you like unto me him shall ye heare in all things whatsoever he shall say unto you * not the Scots nor the Priests and it shall come to pass that every soule which shall not heare that Prophet shall be destroyed from among the people * marke tremble all yee Priests Presbyterians Act. 22 23. And doubtless Christ who was a Son was not less faithfull in Gods house then Moses who was a servant And againe ye have a sure word saith the Apostle unto which yee doe well to take heed 2 Pet. 1.19 Yet doe these presumptuous men despise this command of God and neglect this sure word hearken to their owne corrupt humours take heed to their owne ambitious covetons desires and so proceed in despight of God and his Christ to erect a government after their owne inventions But they will tell you that the Assembly have fearched the Scriptures and had respect to the word in framing this government I beleeve they have but as the Devill did to make use of them for his own ends against Christ for they did not search to find what government it was the Gospell did hold out and warrant and propound and promote that But they first resolve upon propound such a government as will serve their purpose and then they apply themselves to make it good by Scriptures or to enforce the Scriptures for a warrant thus have they made their forme of Church government the rule of Gods word and not Gods word a rule to their form of government having done no otherwise then many Attu●nies Clerks doe who often draw Declarations and writings by another mans president or patterne without examining or consulting the Law in the case which is just as if a Taylor should first make a suit and then make use of his measure And grant that this Presbyteriall government be according to the word of God it is so in toto Is it so absolute that there is no degree of Reformation above it if so then the Scots have exceeded that grand planter of Churches Saint Paul for he told the Corinthians That he would yet shew them a more excellent way Cor. 12 31. And that we know but in part and prophecie but in part but when that which is perfect is come that which is imperfect shall be abolisht 1 Cor. 13.9 10. And Saint Peter and the Prophets spake of a new heaven and a new earth wherein dwelleth righteousness Of such a beautifull perfect Reformation and change as if it was a new world 2 Pet. 3.13 and Esay 64.17 I hope no proud Priest or Presbyterian dare affirme that there is yet any such Reformation or change in Scotland righteousness dwelleth not there I am sure and I would it was not almost banished out of England For as much then as there is a reformation more true and excellent than theirs or else theirs is none at all why may not the Independents so called or some others approach neerer to it then they with-waies then doth in the waies of the Presbyterians unlesse the Presbyterians will affirme themselves the onely wise and that the spirit of the most high God dwels only in them but then they must give me leave to aske them Saint Pauls question 1 Cor. 14.36 Came the word of God out from you Or came it unto you onely Or did the Bishop seale unto the Presbyterian Priests the holy Spirit when they sealed unto them their Ordination and so they have kept it ever since close up in a box to be brought forth in these times Truly my friends as learned Rabbies as they are They erre not knowing the Scriptures To the Law therefore and to the Testimony if they speake not according to this word it is because there is no light in them Isa 8.20 The Devill preached truer doctrine when he said that Jesus was the Sonne of God M●t. 8.29 then these Priests when they say that the Presbyterian government is jus divinum the law and government of Jesus Christ but this is as true as that the Church of Rome is a true Church the which they do now * Mr. Seymour one of the Assembly affirmes it in a dispute affirme to prove their Antichristian standing true And now here by the way I will occasionally put a few Queries First whether in case a forme of Church-government and worship contrary to the word of God be by force put upon us against our consciences by the Parliament and Presbyterian Assembly it be not by the same reason as lawfull for us to refuse and resist it vi et armis by force * And the rather because it is inforced by another Nation and without the Kings approbation as it was for the ●cots in like manner to reject and resist the forme of Church-government and worship put violently upon them against their consciences by the King and Bishops Secondly whether the Scots ought or have any more authority or right to prescribe or endeavour an imposition of Church-government and worship upon the people of England then the people of England have to prescribe and endeavour the imposition of the like upon the People of Scotland Thirdly If not Whether the Scott go not beyond their Last Do not move out of their sphere and intermeddle with what they ought not And now seeing there is as cannot be denyed a more high pitch of Reformation in Religion and holy worship then is yet attained or discovered I hope it is no offence nor transgression against the State for any true Christian or servant of Jesus Christ to press hard after it and not to conform himself to fixed formes bounds limits thereby to confine Gods holy Spirit Ye stiffe-necked and rebellious Priests of uncircumcised hearts and eares ye have alwaies resisted the Holy Ghost as your Fathers the Bishops did so do yee Act. 7.51 I have insisted the more upon this particular that the truth herein might be cleare because of the great delusion put upon the People by many of our pretending Reformers through their grand Oaths and pretexts of expelling all Popery and Popish innovations even whatsoever should be contrary to sound doctrine for so I understand those words in the Protestation contrary to the same doctrine and to reforme Religion according to the Word of God and to establish it in the power and purity of it and yet notwithstanding apply all their interest and power to support an * If the standing of the Bishops were antichristian what is theirs who stand by their ordination and power antichristian Ministery and to establish Church-government whose
and raign amongst us this part of the Covenant they lifted up their hands as high to God and swore as solemnly to performe as any other but because they have no use for it they regard it not the truth is they profess they know God but in works they deny him being abhominable and disobedient and to every good work reprobate But to speak more particularly of our own Presbyterian Reformers the Scotists of our Kindome M. Hollis Stapleton and the rest of the zealous hypocrites with their Antichristian Priests Covenanters they sware you see my Friends to endeavour a reformation in Religion according to the word of God and the Parliament as seeming to adhere only to this sure and alone necessary and sufficient rule for reformation and not t● take the bare opinions of men for granted truths without justification from the word of God to which end they long since propounded queries concerning the said government for the Assembly to prove by the word of God for the justification of it the which queries I have here inserted for every mans better information and consideration to wit First whether the Parochiall and Congregationall Elderships appointed by Ordinance of Parliament are jure divino by the will and appointment of Jesus Christ Secondly Whether all the members of the said Eldership are members thereof or which of them are jure divino and by the will and appointment of Jesus Christ Thirdly Whether the supreme Assemblies or Elderships viz. the Classicall Provinciciall and nationall whether all or any of them or which of them are jure divino and by the will and appointment of Jesus Christ Fourthly Whether appeales from congregationall Elderships to the Classicall Provinciall and Nationall Assemblies or to any of them are jure divino and by the will and appointment of Jesus Christ Fifthly Whether Oecumenicall Assemblies are jure divino and whether there be appeales from any of the former Assemblies to the said Oecumenicall Assemblies jure divino by the will and appointment of Jesus Christ Sixtly Whether by the word of God the power of judging and declaring what are notorious and scandalous offences and of conventing before them triall and actuall suspending from the Sacrament such offenders accordingly either in the congregationall Eldership or Presbytery or in any other Eldership or Presbytery presented to the Houses as the advice of the assembly and whether such powers are in them only or any of them and in which of them jure divino and by the will and appointment of Jesus Christ Seventhly Whether there be any certaine and particular rules expressed in the word of God to direct the said Elderships or Presbyteries or any of them in the exercise and execution of the powers aforesaid and which are those rules Eightly is there any thing contained in the word of God that the Supreme Magistrate in a Christian State may not judge and determine what are the aforesaid notorious scandalous offences and the manner of suspension from the same and in what particulars concerning the premises are the said Supreme Magistracy in the word of God excluded In answer of which particulars the House of Commons desired of the Assembly of divines falsly so callen their proofs from Scripture and to set down the severall texts of Scripture in the express words of the same And it was also ordered that every particular Minister of the said Assembly that was or should be present at the debate of any of these Questions should upon every resolution that was to be presented to the House concerning the same subscribe his respective name either with the affirmative or negative as hee should give his vote and that they which should dissent from the major part should set down their positive opinions with the expresse texts of Scriptures upon which their opinions were grounded Here you see an excellent way for the proofe of this Scottish creature prescribed and a great deal of seeming care in the Parliament to set up a Religion according to the word of God and not according to the Church of Scotland and yet though these severall queries or questions were by the fallacious Assembly never answered unto this day nor are they able to answer them satisfactorily for they can neither immediate or mediate directly or by consequence prove by the word of God and Gospell of our Lord Jesus Christ their so much pres'd Presbyterian government to be jure divino by divine Law or right as they most presumptuously audaciously have alledged yet nevertheless although these queries were never resolved nor the Parliament ever satisfied by sufficient proofe out of the word of God of the lawfulness of this government whether it be the government of Jesus Christ or not hath this evill party where of Mr Hollis a man ever factious is reputed chiefe by their heady presumptuous courses to raise to themselves a faction from London the Scots for their owne security and to drive on their own premeditated design of dominion and soveraignity prevailed to have it established by Ordinance enjoyning it in all places and upon all persons with as much rigour and severity as ever the Bishops did their conformity all which ye see is directly against their Covenant and no other then plain perjury but unless they can establish this Scottish Presbyterian government they can never absolutely establish tyranny for the expedients of this Presbyterian government conduce directly unto tyranny even to abolish all rules of Law and civil liberty it is an antipathy to Monarchy and the legall power of civill Magistracy and brings under a yoake where it is predominant both King and People as shall God willing be demonstrated fully in due time and by this meanes these aspirers hope through the help of the Preists to order King Charles as the Presbyterians in Scotland did King James whom they did restraine affront disobey and raise tumults against if he prove refractory to any of their arbitrary Councels and so suppresse and curb us the free Commoners that we shall not be able either to help him or remedy our selves Yet questionless if ye aske any of these our master Reformers if when they made and took the Covenant they did not intend to make Gods word their direct rule of reformation They will answer yes otherwise they must confess themselves most hatefull hypocrites denying the truth and sufficiency of the holy Scriptures men that intend no Religion but a treasonable designe against King and People under that notion and I wish it doe not prove so in the end by some men If they did intend as they will not deny to make Gods word their Rule to reforme by why doe they make the Church of Scotland the rule of their Reformation and cast the word of God behinde them Why do they enforce upon us the reformation or rather deformation of another Kingdom no waies justified or approved by the holy Scriptures and not endeavour as they have sworne sincerely to seeke out