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A93367	The heads and substance of a discourse; first private, and afterwards publike; held in Axbridge, in the county of Somerset, about the 6th of March, 1650. Between Iohn Smith of Badgworth, and Charls Carlile of Bitsham, &c. on the one part; and Thomas Collier of Westbury on the other. Things they are of weight and highest concernment. / Published by the said Tho. Collier of Westbury.	Collier, Thomas, fl. 1691.; Smith, John, of Badgworth.; Carlile, Charles.	1651 (1651)	Wing S4091; Thomason E1368_2; ESTC R209287	11,613	29

Christ Law and grace I produced Rom. 7. the woman is bound to the law of her husband so long as he liveth but when her husband is dead she is free from that Law ver. 4. wherefore my brethren ye also are become dead to the Law by the body of Christ that ye should be married to another that as a woman is dead to the law of her husband so are believers dead to the Law and as a woman is at liberty to marry with another and then is subject to the Law of that husband even so believers being married to Christ live to him are subject to him that so they might bring forth fruit unto God At this Scripture he was at a stand I prest him to answer the Scripture he refused saying I brought Scriptures which were not to the purpose nor have any tendency to the thing in hand and would not answer it thus thinking to shift out when he could not answer But I desired him then that he would give the meaning of that Scripture to the people that so they might be satisfied in the truth of it if I did misapply it he endeavouring to wind out refused but being earnestly pressed to it he answered that notwithstanding believers were made partakers of Christ yet the Law was holy and just and good I told him it was a truth but nothing to the truth intended in that Scripture and desired him earnestly to speak to that Scripture he then answered that believers were freed from the rigor of the Law I answered again that in substance he granted what I affirmed for if believers be not under the rigor then they are not under the command for its the command which occasions the rigor the transgression of the Law occasions the rigor I farther produced 2 Cor. 3. where it is said the Law is done away and abolished ver. 11. and 13. and it s the Moral Law that 's there intended as appears verse 7. It was that which was written and ingraven in stone He answered that it was true that the ministry of the Law was done away but not the Law it is the ministration of it that is there intended I asked him then why he did preach the Law plead for it if the ministration of it was done away the truth is that as the ministration of it as it is death so the ministry of it is to work up souls into its righteousnes for deliverance from death so in the Gospel though a Gospel of grace and peace yet those who reject it shall be damned therefore is the ministry accompanied with it for the working up of souls into its grace and peace If it be objected that the Law was never given that men might seek or obtain life in it but Christ was life then as well as now I answer its truth the Law was in it self a ministration of death and not of life yet under that dispensation the wisdome and way of God was such to his people as that they first looking into that Law seeing how far short of life they came in their not performing of it might look above unto that righteousness which was presented in it much like unto the fiery and brasen serpent the one bites the other cures and this was the constant way and course of the Lords communicating himself unto his people but now the manner of the dispensation is changed and all things are made new the way of God to his people is first to bring them into view of his goodness and to possess them with his love and then from the same principle and power of love gives forth a Law within a Law without which is a Law of love in which there is no condemnation to them who walk not after the Law of Moses but the Law of Christ not the Moral Law in the hand of Moses but the Law of grace in the hand of Christ who serve not after the Law of a carnal command but after the power of an endless life not in the oldness of the letter but in the newness of the spirit But to return he asked me what was the difference then between the Law in the hand of Moses and the the Law in the hand of Christ I answered as much as between life and death in the one the ministration of death in the other the ministration of life if the ministration of death was glorious how much more shall the ministration of the Spirit exceed in glory Thus my noble friends have I given some brief hints of the substance of the Discourse passing by those many vain and antick behaviours which would be a shame to repeat in persons pretending for truth and honesty and this I leave with you as my apprehensions in the things declared Let those who have the spirit of light and truth judge for the spiritual man judgeth all things though he himself be judged of no man FINIS

second 2. He denyed a local heaven In this I denyed heaven to be a particular limited place I acknowledged that heaven must have some place for that which hath no place hath no being but that as far as I know it s not a limited place that is some place of glory above the firmament as is imagined but that heaven relates rather to a condition of glory then a place of glory and it s not the place but the condition which makes either heaven or hell He viz. Parson Smith proceeds to proof produces that of Paul being in the third heaven 2 Cor. 12. I asked him if he thought that Paul was taken up above the Starry firmament he answered yea for he knew no other heaven I answered I knew another heaven which Christ speaks of which is within and doubtless this is the heaven the Apostle was in The highest manifestations and injoyment of the Lord so high that he knew not himself whether in the body or out of the body that this is the truth appears in that he is not speaking of being transported personally into such a high place as is imagined for he is speaking of visions and revelations so high heavenly and excellent that he knew not whether he were in or out of the body He produced Steven Acts 7. 55 56. who said Behold I see the heavens open and the Son of man standing at the right hand of God I asked if he thought Steven was so quick sighted as to see so many hundred thousand miles as they say it is and it s very probable Steven was in a house too and that I understood it to be the invisible glory of Father and Son manifest unto Steven he answered that it is said he saw Christ at the right hand of the Father I answered its true but what understand you by right hand that is an expression rather to declare the glory of Christ then the place and that which I understood by right hand was and is the enojoyment of the Fathers love of the Fathers glory at his right hand are pleasures for evermore the apprehensions of wrath and anger is the left hand c. so that heaven which Steven saw open was the glorious opening and unfoldings of the Father and Son whom to behold in love is life and then was a time for Steven to see the heavenly glory of the Father and Son in a speciall manner when under such a trial for the profession of them One Parson Fearn stands up and prest Parson Smith to say something in confirmation of the point in hand for the satisfaction of the people which put him the more to a stand then the said Parson Fearn produced that Scripture Col. 3. 1. If ye be risen with Christ seek those things which are above where Christ sitteth at the right hand of God I answered that this Scripture held forth no local but a spiritual heaven for the heaven here is that into which saints are already risen into if risen with him then above with him beholding the glory of the Son with the Father seeking things which are sutable to such a condition until the Son shall appear in his brightness then shall they appear with him in glory verse 4. for they shall see him as he is 1 John 3. 3. They ask where heaven is if not a particular place I answer as in relation to God its every where he being in all places yet never out of the perfection of glory therefore never out of heaven as in relation to the Creature it s every where where the heavenly light and love is manifest and the soul taken into union with it He asked if I would bring heaven and hell together whether heaven was in hell I answered yea it is in hell you grant that God is in hell then certainly heaven is there for God is never out of the heavenly glory farther two persons may be in one place the one in heaven the other in hell the one in the injoyment of love and grace the other in the apprehension of wrath and anger experience declares the truth of this and thus may it be in another world to eternity seeing its not the place but the condition which makes the difference Again heaven and hell light and darkness joy and sorrow may be in one heart yet the light still distinguished from the darkness hell and heaven distinguished and at a distance each from other Vnto the third 3. He denyed the equality of the Son with the Father this was abused in the terms and after consented unto that he denyed the equality of the Son in the way they hold it forth which is as the second person in the Divine being there I denyed any equality for there is no quality in God quality and equality is only proper to the creature not the Creator Therefore if we consider Christ as God so he is the Father at this he cried out Blasphemy making wonders till I produced the Scripture Esay 9. 6. where he is said to be the mighty God the everlasting Father the Prince of peace The Scripture produced to prove an equality was Phil. 2. 6. Who being in the form of God thought it no robbery to be equal with God to which I answered that the equality there intended was not an equality in the Divine being but the excellent quality of the humane nature by virtue of its union with the Divine and so he thought it no robbery to be equal because God had made him so for its evident in the Scripture that its the same He that was in the form of God and equal with him which died upon the Cross and I suppose none dare affirm that it was the Godhead which dyed upon the Cross therefore I say he was made equall at which they wondred again I proved it thus Act. 2. 36. God hath made that same Jesus whom ye crucified both Lord and Christ And all power is given to the Son And God hath given him a name above every name c. The fourth Particular 4. He denyed that Jesus Christ by his death upon the Cross did satisfie divine Justice In this they likewise abused me for that which I asserted was That Christ by his death upon the Cross did not satisfie divine Justice in the way they hold it forth viz. That God was offended and Christ the second Person steps in and undertakes to make satisfaction to divine Justice This was that which I denyed affirming that the Redemption and Salvation of man flows singly and purely from the Fathers Love and that Christ came forth from the Father did the work of the Father was upheld and carryed through by the Father for saith Christ John 5. 19. The Son of himself can do nothing And God so loved the world that he gave his Son Joh. 3. 16. So that Christ is the manifestation of the Fathers love To clear this truth unto them I gave them this comparison Suppose one of you lend