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A30532 Many strong reasons confounded, which would hinder any reasonable man from being a Quaker and offences taken out of the way, but particularly foure and twenty arguments overturned and confuted, put forth and sent into the world by Richard Baxter, a professed minister, but a frequent contenter against the ways of God ... / ... by ... E.B. Burrough, Edward, 1634-1662. 1657 (1657) Wing B6011A; ESTC R14497 21,411 23

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doth condemn unrighteousnesse and bring war and a sword upon earth as Christs Doctrine did And this is the good where wee come Many are changed from wickednesse rudenesse and ungodlinesse to live soberly righteously and purely in this present world without offence towards God and men For to say We make people both to hate godly Teachers and people this is utterly false for we endeavor to bring people to the true Teacher Christ Jesus and to have fellowship with the Saints It 's true in the world our Doctrine doth make division and doth set a man at varience and doth set Father against Son and Son against Father even as Christ did and his Doctrine so he saith we do But again he belyes us in saying We bring people into confusion and abominable error or that we cast people into a malicious mood or tincture of bitterness this is also false and this is my Answer He that doth the will of our Father knows of our Doctrine whether we be of God or of our selves and to all the world besides we are unknown and desires to be manifest to every mans conscience in the sight of God and not to that wisdom which is of this world And though he scorn at such who are made to cast off their Points and Lace yet is not this more then any fruit that his Doctrine hath brought forth for as we do so did the Apostle exhort against all superfluity of naughtiness as Points and Laces are and it seems that such as depart from iniquity become a prey to such wicked mens slandering and scornful tongues and a maner to make Bookes of to send into the world 17. His seventeenth Reason Saith he It is no great encouragement to us to turn Quakers when we consider who are their followers very few experienced sober Christians turn to them saith he but such who are ignorant and ungrounded and raw professors c. Ans. To this I answer Let no man take encouragement from without to turn Quaker or to own the way of Gods salvation but let every one feel a measure of God in his own heart converting him from sinne unto righteousnesse and drawing his mind from the vanity and hypocrisie of this world to the truth and singlenesse of heart And he appears to be of the spirit of the Pharisees who said None but a company of poor people which were accursed followed Christ and so saith he in effect None but such as are ignorant and such like But what if there were not any other but such who owned the way of the Lord this is a confirmation of it rather then a cause of objecting against it when such who are ignorant are brought to the knowledge of God But yet his words are false for it is known that very many honest humble sober men and people who have all their dayes been sincere towards God in what they have known of him have and do own us and indeed all that ever owns God and Salvation shall own us for we are of God and he that is of God heareth us and the whole world lyes in wickednesse And such as are self-conceited and in pride and wise in their own eyes and in the wickedness of the world such are his followers and not ours though he falsely say it for such as follow Christ have we fellowship with and not with such as walk in darkness 18. His eighteenth Reason Saith he It is an evident judgement of God upon these people that turn Quakers and a punishment for their former sins c. Ans. To this I answer The Lord God his Angels and all his Saints and Servants I call to record against thee and they all shall witnesse that it is mercy and not judgement upon them that owns the way of the Lord And them that owned the Quakers in truth and sincerity have and do witness a remission of their former sins and forgiveness of them by Jesus Christ and not a punishment for them And Richard Baxter may please himself and some others with his reasonless Reasons as these are yet they are not worthy of the name of Reason they be so senseless and utterly false And though he railes against the Anabaptists as well as against us yet any man whose eye is open sees his folly turns it upon his own head And he may conceit himself in these things for a moment but the day of the Lord will declare it otherwise and that upon us mercy and peace shall be and not judgement nor wrath 19. His nineteenth Reason Saith he They are already in division among themselves as the contention between Nayler and Fox and their followers doth shew To this I answer Though an occasion may come and be taken against the truth yet wo unto him by whom it comes and to them who doth receive it for the testimony of truth abides for ever But as about that division he speakes of it hath been answered by writings several times and now I say It happened but as a tryal to the Lords people and not to destroy them though the enemy boasts himself because of it yet the Lord knows how to preserve his in the midst of temptation But these things are now at an end though a temptation presented it self yet it overcame not and truth is the same and the testimony thereof doth never change and all these refuges which the wicked flyes unto shall not cover them when the Lord appears 20. His twentieth Reason And saith he To make all their delusions more odious wickednesse they father it upon the Holy Ghost c. Ans. His words are utterly false yet we say we have received the Holy Ghost which teacheth us and leadeth us into all truth and by it are we lead out of all wickedness and delusion and all wicked speeches which he brands us withall and these things are his own for he is seen to be in delusion and odious wickedness and wicked speeches And saith he They speak against the DOCTRINE of the SPIRIT and cryes down the love of the Saints and against the Ordinances of the Ministers of Christ To this I have answered In the love union with all the Saints we are and Ministers of Christ but against Hypocrisie we declare such who profess what they are not and use their tongues and saith the Lord saith when the Lord hath not spoken to them and sprinkle Infants and saith it is ●n ordinance of Christ and singing Davids Experiences in Rime and Meeter with many other things which the Priests hath in their practice such things we deny to be Ordinances of Christ and them to be Ministers of Christ which do practice them and this we do say by the spirit of truth But that we prenounce damnation against Gods Church and holy Servants this is false again and is but the fulfilling the number of his lyes and though he charge us secretly with preaching another Gospel then that which Paul preached is false and if we
MANY Strong Reasons CONFOUNDED Which would hinder any reasonable Man from being A QUAKER And Offences taken out of the Way But particularly Foure and twenty Arguments Over turned and Confuted Put forth and sent into the World by Richard Baxter a professed Minister but a frequent Contender against the wayes of God And this is an Answer to a sheet of his cryed up and down the streets in London as some excellent piece But is proved to be full of Lies Slanders and false Reproaches against an innocent People and this is sent forth in the pursuit thereof that people may not be deceived with every lying Monster vvhich is brought forth to publike view but first let all things be tryed and onely that which is good held fast And this is for the satisfaction of honest people by a friend E. B. London Printed for Thomas Simmons at the Bull and Mouth neer Aldersgate 1657. MANY STRONG REASONS CONFOUNDED Which would hinder any reasonable man from being a QUAKER AND Offences taken out of the way c. HOW long shall it be ere the wickednesse of the wicked come to an end and the measure of this generations iniquity be fulfilled who rush into iniquity as a Horse into the battel and who hastens to fill up the largest measure of iniquity of any generation that ever went before Is it not plain and manifest to all people that have but an eye to see How doth the wicked run on greedily drinking up iniquity as an Oxe drinks water How doth the Archers of Babylon shoot at the innocent and makes the harmless their prey But this is but fot a moment the end thereof is nigh and because the Devils time is but short therefore he is come down in rage and hath filled the hearts of many people with raving envie and despite against the Lord and his people whom the Lord is a gathering out of the mouths of all their enemies and the Serpents seed it bruiseth the heele but its head is deadly wounded by the seed of God And whereas many hath set themselves in opposition against the Lord and their work is become a stinck and a proverb to be laughed at in generations to come yet must not the wicked cease their wickedness til their measure be perfectly accomplished And whereas Richard Baxter a professed Minister in Worcestershire known to many by his fruits to be a corrupt Tree which brings not forth good fruit who sends out of his study lyes and false reports and vain arguments to blind the eyes of people that they may not see the truth and hath written once and again against the people of God which he in scorn calls Quakers some of which writings hath been sufficiently answered and his shame and folly seen openly by all people yet he as a man not weary of wickednesse hath sent forth a Paper which he calls A Sheet against the Quakers wherein what was wanting of wickednesse in his former is now fully brought forth out of his vessel a malicious heart which cannot contain within it self its rage and fury and madness against the innocent but needs must his folly break forth openly that all men may see it And in this his foolish paper he hath twenty four reasons which he saith Moves him to conceive that no Christian or reasonable man should be a Quaker or approve of or excuse their way now his Reasons we shall try But first of all I say It had been more honest for him to have made a sufficient Reply to have defended his former works and cleared himself of his former lyes and slanders truly charged against him then to have past that slightly and begin a-new to revile for that Book which he often mentions and boasts of callled The Quakers Catechism was sufficiently answered and his folly laid open by a friend to the truth in a Book called An Answer to the Quakers Catechism to which Book he never equally replyed to this day which had been more honest to have cleared himself from what is truly charged against him in that answer then to have begun afresh to reproach and speak wickednesse and this all people may consider of 1. His first Reason which he brings forth against the Quakers is That they deny and revile the Churches and Ministers of Christ and yet saith he cannot tel indeed of any Church or Ministry which is to be preferred before those that they do despise Answ. To this I answer That is utterly false for we do not deny the Church and Ministers of Christ nor do revile them or any others whatsoever but speaks the truth in nakedness to all people The Church of Christ we own and are of it which are gathered out of the world through the preaching of the Gospel and seperated from the world and all its works and wayes which are evil and are joined to Christ the Head in the Spirit and one to another as members of Christ and these are born again and are redeemed out of the world and are of the kingdom of Christ and of his Church and members of his body and this we own to be a Church and are of it who hath no fellowship with darknesse nor no part with the practice of the workes of darknesse And the Ministers of Christ we own who have received the gift of the Ministry by the Holy Ghost and exerciseth that gift by the Holy Ghost whose call is from God and their work of God and their end alone his glory such we own to be Ministers of Christ and doth not revile or deny as he falsly saith such a Church and such Ministers of Christ but this we do and without offence to God too we do deny and bear our witness against such a people who professeth themselves to be a Church and yet are in the pride in the wickedness and in the evil of this world and not redeemed clensed and seperated from the works and iniquities thereof such we do reprove for their hypocrisie even all them that owns a title to a Church because they were sprinkled when they were Infants and hath not another ground and such who professeth themselves Ministers of Christ who hath not received their Ministry by the gift of the Holy Ghost neither are lead by the Spirit of Christ but are such as Christ and the Apostles declared against such we cannot own to be Ministers of Jesus Christ but doth reprove them and deny them even such who preacheth for hire and hath gifts and rewardt for preaching and set-places for so much a yeer these we disown and yet doth not offend God herein And this in honesty I do shew to all people what that professed Church and professed Ministry is which we do deny and what that Church and Ministry is which we do set up to be preferred which is a right Ministry and a right Church And thus his reasonless reason is overturned and confounded and is found to be no sufficient reason wherefore a man should