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A91859 Impudency and ranterism rebuked and the Quakers sincerity vindicated from a most unjust imputation of prevarication, cast upon them by Robert Rich and R. Bacon; whose spirits are discovered in this answer, which is published for the truth sake, / by G. Roberts. Roberts, Gerard, 1621?-1703.; Hookes, Ellis, d. 1681.; Whitehead, George, 1636?-1723. 1670 (1670) Wing R1597; ESTC R182753 13,435 20

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And surely such will not own R.R. with his money nor any such Ranters who deem it a hard imposition to fear the Lord watch and keep to the Light so it appears he and his Fellow-members neither fear God nor watch nor walk in the Light But in his confusion he forgets himself for in p. 8. tells us of owning all that fear God and love Righteousness and thus over and over he contradicts himself And whereas he accuseth W.B. how true is a Question of saying Rich thou art a Whoremonger hast an Adulterous Whoremongers Spirit c. at which he seems greatly offended making chiefly these exceptions that it is a Judgment without knowledge or other proofs and that Christ Jesus refused to meddle with the Magistrates works bidding us read John 8. 3. and Luke 12. 13. To which we say R.R. has not in his answer cleared himself of these things which he takes as laid to his charge but rather hath rendred himself suspicious at least in that he would not have us to judge Whoremongers because it is the Magistrates work as he saith as also by his instance in that of John 8. 3. which is concerning the woman which was taken in Adultery and whether he doth really own that there is any such thing or action as Adultery in it self any more then his brethren the Ranters is a Question besides R.R. renders himself the more suspicious in the matter aforesaid that a little after he prefereth carnal Whoremongers Adulterers before us as those that shall sooner find Mercy It s no marvel he hath so much pleaded for Whoremongers and such as are of whoreish spirits when he hath set himself so shamelesly to rail at and reproach the Innocent So he is to be left to his own body which he is a member of as before who are of adulterous unclean ranting spirits whom God will judge And when as this Rich after he has vented forth his most bitter storm of railing and threatning us with rending tearing and devouring by the King of the Bottomless Pit he most wickedly and scorn fully adds these words p. 20. viz. Which thing tell G.F. that Foxyour King c. To which we say That as this Rich hath threatned us with being torn and devoured no doubt but the Devil and he would have it come to pass with his envy and venom he hath shewed in this as all People may see and thereupon he appeareth as the Devils Agent as one in a murderous blood-thirsty spirit as if he would instigate the outward Powers or Rulers to rend tear and devour us like the murderous Blood-thirsty Jews and Persecutors against Christ who when their Accusation against him of being a Blasphemer would not take to put him to death unjustly made this his Accusation that he made himself a King viz. The King of the Jews and that he was an Enemy to Caesar upon which he was cruelly put to death notwithstanding he had plainly given them account of his clearness of that matter telling them My Kingdom is not of this World and likweise we answer on the behalf of G.F. that he with the rest of the faithful Servants of Christ among us have such reverence to Christ and respect to his example as also such an innocent subjection to the Powers that are ordained of God that a worldly Kingdom they seek not neither is that our design to seek howbeit as G.F. and the rest of the faithful Followers of Christ among us have known Redemtion in him they are anointed and made by Christ Kings and Priests not after a carnal commandment but in the Power of an endless Life are made to raign over darkness envy and wickedness and over both the old Murderer R.R. and the Devil and the Ranters and such murderous spirits as seek to slay the Innocent and to crucifie the Innocency and Righteousness of the Son of God which R. R.hath sought to do in others as he hath in himself according to his doctrine in p. 24. And now we must a little look back to an Accusation of R.B. in his Preface against us where he accuseth us That our Glory is the abhorrancy certain outward Forms and Ceremonies introduced as he saith of old by wiser men then our selves to wit the Elders and Teachers of the People for a Manuduction to the holy Understanding of the Heavenly things whereby he saith Christianity was upheld in great Unity and glory for many hundred years till there was a strife about them c. Answ Now seeing that R.B. hath thus justified those outward Forms and Ceremonies which we deny and abhor without exception or declaring what they are and counts them a Manuduction to the holy Understanding and those things whereby Christianity was upheld t is therefore needful that we should hint what outward Forms and what Ceremonies they are that we abhor That they are such as are Superstitious and Idolatrous such as contraey to the Form of Godliness in the Night of Apostacy as Popish Idolatry bowing to Images their Doctrine Transubstantiation adoring a Piece of Bread or their Sacrament or Eucharist so called as being Christ the Lamb of God c. though but a Christ of their own making such Idolatrous and Heathenish Practises and whatsoever Forms or Ceremonies are brought in the Apostacy among pretended Christians which are upheld or imposed either by Papists or others contrary to the Example and Doctrine of Christ and his Apostles and contrary to the Dispensation of the Gospel Power of Godliness these and all such Forms Ceremonies and Practises do we deny and abhor however this R.B. counts those outward Forms and Ceremonies which we abhor as a manuduction to the holy Understanding c. without making distinction which see how exactly herein he hath acted the part of a Ranter for the Ranters used to say they own all Forms Wayes or Religions to be as so many steps and degrees towards Heaven not owning any distinction between Truth and Error true worship and false nor between the true spirit and the false but say that all are acted by one Power but the lying spirit doth act them to be sure and the Devil hath made Fools of R.R. and R.B. and the Ranters but the Power of the Lord and his living Truth is set and stands over all their heads and his Seed reigns over their wickedness and that wicked spirit in Rich who after he hath vented and shewed his Malice and Envy and Bloodthirsty spirit often useth that expression in the Revelation HALLELVJAH but we know that spirit that tempted Eve and Christ but Christ has bruised his head and the pit he must go down into from whence he came Lucifer is fallen let R.R. read G.W. A Postscript R. Rich We have taken notice of many of thy slanderous false Predictions and Railing more then related in this Answer and have collected above forty of them disperst in thy perverse Pamphlet which we have on record which at present we forbear publishing Thou art one of them that went out from us for no doubt hadst thou been of us thou wouldst have continued with us but thou went out that it might be made manifest that thou wert not of us John 2. and so now calls Light darkness good evil and evil good and now art become a wandring Star up and down in thy imaginations and now art become a raging Wave of the Sea casting up the mire and dirt as may be seen in thy book for had R.R. but Power we should have heard his Bell Book and Candle ere now but now being become twice dead and pluckt up by the roots and also see his malice rage envy and bloodthirsty mind against G.F. and all may see his mountain brings forth nothing but Bryars and Thorns and out of his mouth comes Wrath Bitterness Anger Clamour Evil-speaking and Malice so the Proverb is come upon him The Sow is turned to the wallowing in the mire and the Dog to the vomit any one that looks upon R.R. may see how the Sow is mired and what a vomit the Dog has cast up but it may be some of his spirit may lick it up especially they that received his gifts hoping to get 30. l. more such as R. Bacon But will the Fool say in his heart now there is no God that blasphems his Tabernacle and them that dwell in Heaven and so thou that hast uttered Slanders against thy Brethren art a Fool called by Solomon who hast shewed forth thy perverse lips and so thou who art so right in thy own eyes and scoffest at them that be in the eye of Faith art a Fool. But the lips of a Fool will swallow up himself and so this is come to pass upon thee Robert the beginning of thy mouth is foolishness and the end of thy talk is mischevious madness And bray a Fool in a morter and he will be never the wiser For anger rests in the Brest of a Fool for how long has anger and foolishness rested in the brest of R.R. ever since the dayes of J.N. even 11. or 12. years and hath shut out love and it is to be feared the envy foolishness and a lying spirit will guide him to his grave what is the matter that makes R.R. to rage because the Quaker would not receive his gift of thirty pieces which is published in two Pamphlets and sounded over the Nations here is a Pharisees Trumpet indeed and now because he cannot therein be accepted he appears Cain like as if he would murder as many that are not Quaker may see his expressions in his Book and see his wicked mind as his wicked devilish blood-thirsty words from a blood-thirsty spirit against G.F. his rage is so great but the Lord will reward him according to his works though for a time he may huff and puff and swell and rage had he been in Nebuchadnezers day he would have been a fit man to blow his fire as now he is blowing the fire fro the true Israslites with his envious spirit thinking thereby to castthem in but the fire will take hold of him first and the true Israelites wil lescape by the Power of God E.H. THE END
on the Truth or us about it And now the Reader may mark that we are not only villified by this R. R.and his Agent or factor R. Bacon for our denying him and his Gift but this R. Bacon hath sounded his Trumpet on the behalf of R. R.and his Gift or Offering of money or Earth where in his Preface he sounds or expresseth the matter in these words viz. I have waited long and hoped much that at length you would have made some acknowledgement to God Mr. Rich and indeed to me whom you know unanimous with him in this late and only saving Dispensation of divine Love and Grace exhibited by and through him irrespectively to all adding that Mr. Rich hath dug open a Well among you another and a better Dispensation Comparing it to the favour which the Prodigal found Thus far R.R. and R.B. page 3. and 4. after he mentions the dispose of the thirty pounds adds viz. It being a work which in truth tends to the gathering and uniting of all the Seed of Jacob into the new Jerusalem c. Thus far R. R.hath blasphemously trumpetted up his Gift and Fame therein to his own infamy as all impartial Readers may see and judge as also how blasphemous and Idolatrous this R. B. hath shewed himself in this matter upon Riches money offering with these Epethites on it viz. This last and saving Dispensation of divine Love and Grace exhibited by him a Well a better Dispensation the Prodigals favour c. Yea and such a high one and R. R.and R. B. so highly concerned in the exhibiting thereof that R. R.by this Idolater R. B. must be joyned next to God in it and R. B. next to R.R. whose imposition runs thus viz. You should have made some acknowledgement to God Mr. Rich and inded to me c. And for what should we have thus highly acknowledged to this Mr. Rich as he proudly calls him next to God What for his feigned love in his hypocritical Gift of thirty Pounds which we never intended to accept either for our own or Friends use to gratifie such Blasphemous Idolatrous spirits as yours R. R.and R.B. are whose Idolatry Money-Dispensation and feigned Love which is now turned into Enmity and Railing we utterly deny and the Lying spirit by which you are acted and if you come not to a better Dispensation then such beggerly stuff as this of R. R.that shews it self in his Gifts of money so much bragged of we may say to you You and your money Perish for divine Love which is God's Gift and the saving Dispensation is not to be purchased with money nor uniting into the new Jerusalem bought with his thirty pounds nor any Feast procured thereby or your eating and drinking with Ranters c. procure that unity that is in the new Jerusalem Neither will R. R.with his Gift of thirty Pounds nor R. Bacon with his Trumpet to sound it up gather the Seed of Jacob into new Jerusalem with money whereby R. R.exhibites his last dispensation which R. B.falsly stiles that of divine Love and Grace so that we refusing his money have stopt Rich and Bacons Well and as they judge hindred the gathering the Seed of Jacob into new Jerusalem when as that which we have stopt is nothing but Balacks Gift Balaams Wages Judas thirty Pieces and Simon Magus his money which that nature was alwayes against the Seed of God which is now found in Rich and Bacon as may be seen by their Book as the raging Wave of the Sea that has foamed up shame and fury and madness and not a spark of divine Love but a spirit that would murther as after may be made appear and R. R.and Bacon are deceived to think to over come the Quakers with Gifts and now all People may see their folly and what a madness they are in who read this Now R. Bacon thou hast in several things in thy two pages in thy Preface belyed and abused us called Quakers however hypocritically thou callest us thy beloved Friends but belyest us as followeth First That we have rejected the only saving Dispensation of divine Love Secondly That we have in Pride refused a better Dispensation and that the dread of it hath been long upon us Thirdly That we shew our selves herein contrary to all men as the perverse and obstinate Jews who rejected Jesus c. Fourthly False also is thy Prophesie What will be the exit of us to wit that of Boasters Fifthly That the hour of our Judgment is now come even as we have feared it would also come upon us this false instance follows which accuseth us of unchristian violent withstanding and rejecting that appearance of God in J.N. J.P. and many others and last of all in Mr. Rich as thou callest him Answer This is a very Lying Slanderous Accusation against us for we never withstood nor rejected the appearance of God in J.N. or any else much less violently but the appearance of the Enemy which vailed the appearance of God for a time untill the appearance of God did arise and bring J.N. to a sence and sight of his loss and fall and to Judgment and Repentance wherein he in his latter dayes gave Glory to God in judging and in condeming that spirit which had darkned him and others and the same antichristian spirit he gave testimony against both in R.R. and the rest that followed and joyned with him in the hour of his temptation and darkness and he was restored before his Decease so far as to vindicate the antient Truth and that he could have no fellowship with such airy ranting spirits as you R.R. R.B. are of Wherefore do not proceed any further to cover your selves with J.N. for his seriousness and sence of Truth that he was restored to judgeth your light frothy spirits and this spirit of opposition and apostacy in J.P. which led him to where you are into rantism and false liberty in the World and after the glory of it that he did not honour the Truth nor witness to the appearance of God in his latter dayes his spirit was not steadfast with the Lord so there is no fit comparison between J.N. in his recovery to a sence of Judgment Repentance and Mercy and J.P. in his Stubbornness Self-separation and Apostacy from Truth And whereas R.R. in his 19th page maliciously and falsly renders us in these words viz. R.R. I have long seen the abomination that makes desolate standing among the Quakers ever since that time wherein G.F. did judge J.N. and invited his Friends so to do without shewing the least ground of his Censure c. Answer These are a Pack of notorious Lyes and Slanders against the Quakers and G. F.in that case for many can testifie and G. Fs. own Letters and Testimonies also concernining J.N. and the rest of you that applaud him in your madness in the time of his darkness and captivity under that dark power wherein thy self R.R. and such like together with those silly
Women were also infatuated and blinded to the great prejudice and reproach of Truth by your means your mad vain carriages and behaviours towards him that G.F. and Friends did judge nothing among you but that which was contrary and dishonourable to Truth and for eternal Judgement the spirit of Antichrist Superstition and Idolatry he and we judged and G.F. shewed reason enough for it though he did not invite his Friends as is falsly said for they saw enough both in J.N. and the rest of you which afterwards he condemned and you both who persist in the condemned thing remaining in that dark spirit so that we need not now renew their particulers or dark things against J N. which are condemned dead and buried on his part nor rake into such old Sepulcres that being not the work of our present day for J.N. with some others that had been beguiled did sufficienly judge and condemn that dark spirit that led into those extravigancies and he gave divers ample and publique Testimonies both in words and writings for the clearing of the Truth and satisfaction of the Righteous who felt Life and Vertue from God in his Testimonies against that dark spirit and power which leads into Ranterism and Idolatry wherein thou and R.B. do yet persist so that J.N. his Testimonies for God and his Truth do live and are on record against you and your abomination to your condemnation so he hath shewed you reason enough in his Testimonies of condemnation above ten years ago against those things which he was in who after repented but you still live in them without repentance or condeming your Abominations And Robert Rich Did not J.N. see and judge that light frothy life thou livest in before his publique Recantation do not cover thy self with thy hypocritical pretence of J.N. for he shall rise up in Judgment against thee And on what account sayest thou That neither hast thou seen many among us besides J.N. and J.P. who by their fellowship with Christ in his death have denied themselves and made themselves of no reputation page 25. Herein thou hast not dealt plainly nor told us wherein their fellowship with Christ and making themselves of no reputation consisted beyond all others of us and thou wrongest J.N. in joyning J.P. with him for did J.P. shew such fellowship with Christ in his death or so debase himself to be of no reputation in his opposition to Friends his singularity and self-separation when they could not set him up as he would have been and in his turning into the World t is honour and preferment in Jameca whose way and end is sufficiently known there And art thou following the example of such as have fellowship with Christ in his Death or make themselves of no Reputation in thy ranting light spirit and in thy trumpeting up thy Gifts Let all sober Readers judge of thee herein And now whereas thou callest thy thirty Pounds thy Gift of Love and pretendest to that Charity which neither seeth nor knoweth nor thinketh Evil of another leaving all others to the Righteous Judgment of God and tells of Humility Love unfeigned c. p. 10. 16. But thy pretence of Love Charity and Humility is turned into open outrage belying and slandering us as will farther appear by the discovery of thy hypocrisie in that pretence who hast not left others to the Judgment of God but presumptiously hast set thy self in the seat of false Judgment in the seat of Scorners Railers and Slanderers for all thy pretence of Love the higher Power and of the Spirit of Peace and Love p. 21. And now that the Readers may see the extent and fruit of thy love and charity whether it be really so or nay let them take a view of thy manner of Language and Phrase against the People called Quaker whom thou thus revilest and threatnest accusing them as followeth viz. R.R. his Railing and Slandering Cursing and Sentencing the Quakers so called Not careing whom they slander or what Lies they tell so as they may advance their Party and sect p. 11. Compares them to those Bloody Persecutors who used to put the Christians into Bears-Skins that the Dogs might tear them p. 12. This Hypocritical Proud Self-righteous Generation p. 13. This high and luciferian People the Quakers who for their shew and numbers have been as the Stars of Heaven and who for their pride and emnity are now cast down to whom is reserved the blackness of Darkness for ever insomuch that carnal Whoremongers and Adulterers shall sooner repent and find Mercy p. 15. Babilonish Garments Spiritual Wickedness among that Tribe called the Ministry p. 18. The very name in which ye have prayed and prophesied when innecent and in which you have cast out Devils and wrought Wonders shall now reject you saying Depart from me ye Rulers of Sodom and People of Gomorah t is this spirit c. That spirit of Wickedness in the Form of Righteousness the Scab of Contention and Strife will never cease to divide you till the name of Quakers become a hiss c. p. 17. This Lying Wrathful bitter Persecuting spirit the King of the bottomless Pit shall so rend tear and devour you till not one stone be left upon another p. 20. Ye must fall with Hamon Saul and Herod p. 21. Thus far R.R. with his Charity and love Answ Are these expressions of thy Love and Charity And is this the fruit of thy high Dispensation Hast thou not here shewn what spirit hath acted thee and whence thy thirty Pounds were sent Why art thou thus outragious and like railing Rabsheca against the People of God foaming out thy own shame Art thou angry that we would not be taken with thy Bait of thirty Pounds Alas Poor man we rejoyce over thy Railing and Reproaches and trample upon thy Envy and Malice thy Charmes touch us not thy false Prophesies and Sentencing us thus finally to utter destruction reach us not neither can thy Inchantments thy feigned Singing nor Gifts allure us for we are in that Power that stands over thy head and thou wilt be disappointed of the fulfilling of thy Curses and Sentences against us like those that curse where God doth bless however it be the desire of that black malicious spirit in thee to have thy Threatnings come to pass to our destruction but the Lord hath blasted it and will cross its evil desire and wicked design And we are glad for the Truths sake that we suffer Reproaches by thee and such malicious ranting spirits we are more glad that thou in the spirit thou standest in hast thus reproached and vilified us then if thou shouldest have altogether commended us for we should think the worse of our selves if thou shouldst commend and speak well of us in the state thou art in And now after thou hast thus cruelly and finally sentenced us the People called Quakers as with utter destruction and the blackness of darkness for ever The Reader may take notice
how manifestly thou hast contradicted thy self as one whom madness and outrage hath infatuated by what follows where thou usest these words to us viz. R.R. You have been and still are exercised under fear being bound to strict Observations thereby working out your Salvation with fear and trembling all which the Son of Man also fulfilled in the dayes of his flesh as being born under the Law learning obedience by the things he suffered and thus far you stand with him in your earthly Testimony p. 24. Answ However thou blasphemously callest the Testimony of Christ among us earthly yet thou hast confessed enough for us to confute thy own false testimonies and railing before for if we be such as work out our Salvation with fear and trembling follow the Example of the Son of Man in his obedience and stand with him in our Testimony we are not such as before thou hast most shamefully rendred us in thy outrage nor to fall with such utter destruction as thou hast foretold and thy confusion and gross contradictory bedlam and Babylonish stuff against us is as much as if thou hadst foretold us in these words viz. You Quakers that work out your Salvation with fear trembling and stand with the Son of Man in your Testimony and Obedience you are a luciferan People for whom is reserved the Blackness of Darkness for ever carnal Whoremongers and Adulterers shall sooner repent and find mercy then ye depart from me c. And thus hast thou most shamefully reviled the Followers of the Son of Man and so in effect hast thus blasphemed against Christ in as much as thou hast done it to his with thy dark confused spirit of Envy and Malice who also to manifest what an Enemy thou art to Christ and his Righteousness sayest That even the Innocency and Righteousness of the Son the Seed must be offered-up and nailed to the Cross addest these Popish terms viz. This may be truly called Purgatory or Limbo patrum p. 24. Answ See how like a ranter thou hast herein shewed thy self who wouldst have the Innocency and Righteousness of the Son of God crucified whereas t is the old man which is corrupt with his deeds that must be crucified but thou like a Ranter hast both undervalued the Example Obedience and Righteousness of the Son and hast prefered Whoremongers and Adulterers before such as stand with the Son in his Testimony it appears thou hast a great deal of respect to Whoremongers and Adulterers thy spirit having most affinity with such as will further appear Again notwithstanding thou hast so finally and cruelly sentenced and threatned us as before thou givest us these Exhortations viz. R.R. Go humble your selves under the mighty hand of God that in due time be may exalt you into the number of that Name unto which every knee must bow p. 25. And to look to the Root that leads us either to do or suffer and earnestly to pray and seek for the best and most excellent Love and Charity c. Answ Here it s again obvious how thou hast contradicted thy self and thy confusion and contradiction runs thus viz. You luciferian People for whom is reserved the blackness of darkness for ever who must be cut down and fall with Hammon Saul and Herod in the pit go you and humble your selves that God in due time may exalt you into the number of the Elect look you to the root that leads you to do or suffer and earnestly pray c. Do but see the confusion and madness of this R.R. and how like a mad Bedla m he hath acted his part one while bitterly exclaiming against us and judging us to the pit and for the blackness of darkness for ever another while bids us humble our selves and pray that God may exalt us as if now there were hopes for us when at other times he will not own there is any hopes for us thus he hath bewrayed his own madness and folly through his envy and outrage And now Robert can Lucifer Hammon Saul and Herod look to the root to lead them or they that are chained in darkness for ever when thou sayest Christ the root bids them depart and yet thou sayest we must look to the root that leads us c. Is this R.R. and R.Bs. Retorick from their higher dispensation Judge Reader And now as to R.R. his dearly saluting and owning the Out-casts from the People called Quakers as his brother Benjamin Bone of his bone and flesh of his flesh c. p. 8. Answ Such as are Out-casts from amongst us are such as have cast themselves out by turning from the living Truth and Power of God to wit such as turn into prejudice and enmity and such as turn into corrupt Principles tending to a false liberty in the flesh out of the fear of God and contrary to the Truth received and so into a spirit and principle of ranterism such as R.R. himself is turned into and such as turn into loosness liberty and scandalous practises to the dishonour and reproach of Truth these and such like are the Out-casts that are denied by us and are no Members of our Body no Bone of our Bone nor Flesh of our Flesh how nearly soever they be related to R.R. and such as he as Members of that corrupt body for they are none of the true Church of God as falsly he terms them So the whole body of Ranters Envious persons Seedsmen of Strife Drunkards and Whoremongers our testimony stands against and over their heads what ever they have professed c. So we leave R.R. to the body which he is related whose Members are of the first birth of death being twice dead and pluckt up by the roots Again R.R. tells us of such As are redeemed out of the evil of all Sects Kindreds and People who have no visible Church c. and to such he would have the distribution of his thirty pounds who are under any Sect or sort of People whatsoever p. 7 8. Reply What gross absurdity and contradictions are here Are they redeemed out of the evil of all Sects and yet under all Sects and sorts of People This is of not only contradiction but exactly the Ranters Principle who make no difference between the many Sorts and Sects of People deeming them all the Church without distinction and how doth he reckon that in joyning To dread and fear the Lord to watch and keep to the Light to be a hard imposition as p. 22. It s hard to the dark ranting spirit but easie to them that are under Christ's Yoak for his darkness can not endure the Light nor his vain mind the Fear of God And how doth he say the Redeemed have no visible Church or People to shelter under when in contradiction he tells of the Inhabitants of Mount Sion the numbers of One hundred forty four Thousands p. 22. And that such a People there are in this present World even as he is in Heaven p. 25.