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A54014 The discoverer discovered; or, The lot cast, T.C. taken, and the Babylonish garment found hid under his stuff Being a reply to a late pamphlet, entituled, A discovery of the accursed thing, &c. subscribed T.C. With some remarks upon two papers of John Penny man's. By E.P. Penington, Edward, 1667-1701. 1695 (1695) Wing P1143; ESTC R217510 24,798 49

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think hardly is And as to his complaint in behalf of G. K. in relation to the proceedings in Pensylvania against him and his adherents S. J. hath already given an account how they were managed in his State of the Case c. and therein vindicated himself and those concerned with him from the aspersion cast upon them Perhaps he may alledge that G. K. hath answered that Book and stated things otherways Yet however he ought in justice to suspend his verdict till he hears what proof S. J. will bring in defence of what he hath written which God sparing him Life I question not but he may be able to produce He says p. 7. It is not my intent to make void or undervalue the Light of Christ or Spirit of God within and obedience thereto for it s our duty to walk in the Light but not to build thereon If he had said so as to exclude the benefit which accrued to Mankind by the death of Christ I would said so too but I cannot like him divide Christ by ascribing the whole work to Christ without and making that the sole Foundation of the true Faith For unless Christ work inwardly in Mens Hearts by his Spirit not only the will but the deed also Phil. 2.13 And unless the Father Sanctify them through his word whose word is truth John 17.17 To them the Blood of Christ shed without the Gates of Jerusalem will be of no effect Now The word which took Flesh is Christ and His Life is the Light of Men John 1.4 therefore to say it is not our duty to build thereon is erroneous and tends to the undervaluing of Christ who ought not to be divided This is other Doctrine then Christ preached John 12.36 While ye have the Light believe in the Light that ye may be the Children of the Light And how can I believe in the Light if I have no dependance thereon How can I obey the Light or Spirit or walk therein which he grants is our duty if I must not build upon it The Apostle Paul's preaching was attended with the demonstration of the Spirit and of Power And the reason he gives is That your Faith should not stand in the wisdom of men but in the Power of God 1 Cor. 2.4 5. which Power of God is Christ not only as he was manifested outwardly but also as he appears inwardly and is certainly what is evidently demonstrated in that Chapter And further he tells the Colossians Chap. 1.27 That Christ in them was the hope of their Glory And Rom. 8.24 We are saved by hope Must not we build then upon the saying hope of Glory Christ in us Strange Doctrine surely How else can we Fly for refuge to lay hold upon the hope set before us Or how else shall we experience Hope to be as an Anchor of our Souls both sure and Stedfast Heb. 6.18 19. Or did the Apostle preach false Doctrine and deny the appearance of Christ in the Flesh No surely no more do the Quakers now How must the whole lump be Leavened if we have not our Faith fixed on him who is the Leaven of the Kingdom and is hid in the three measure of Meal viz. the Soul Body and Spirit Mat. 13.33 But no wonder that Men err when they walk in Darkness and despise that Light by which they should be preserved from it Having shewed his contradiction to Scripture I shall now proceed and take notice that he brings in divers passages in p. 7. and the beginning of p. 8. with a Say they But he neither informs us out of what Book he took them nor for the most part who was the Author Probably because he would take the more Latitude to abuse them undiscovered for he makes no conscience of quoting falsly and perverting G. F's writings as I have shewed above though he has in quoting that Book often referred to the pages Therefore I cannot think I do him any wrong in suspecting these Quotations not to be genuine and since he hath not given me the opportunity of examining whether they be so or no as such I shall pass them over But now comes a shrewd case of Conscience the very Master-peice of this Babel-Builders Structure which demonstrates that he is in confusion or else certainly would never have let such a blunder be exposed to the World He says p. 8. Now I appeal to their Consciences whether or no if our Lord Jesus c. is believed on and obeyed so as to have his perfect work in the Heart to Regenerate and make all things a-new whether this can be and the work of Regeneration not known Truly a very notable question and very nicely distinguished I dare believe he made no use of G. K's either Logick or Philosophy in this appeal But I admire that G. K. should take no more care of his Pupil in his Divinity than to suffer him to fumble thus I believe he would not have suffered such a thing to escape his Cognizance among his other sort of Scholars However to please T. C. I will readily grant that when a Man is become Regenerate he hath known the work of Regeneration But if his Question in the sense he means it which truly seems to me to be what he drives at hath respect only to a Faith on Christ as he is without excluding the operation of the Light and Spirit within and Faith therein then I deny it For Regeneration is a qualification rendring a Man capable of entering the Kingdom of Heaven then consequently he must be in a state of Salvation but John Rev. 21.23 24. After he hath given an account of the Glory of the New Jerusalem says The Glory of the Lord did lighten it and the Lamb is the Light thereof And the Nations of them which are saved shall walk in the Light of it And the Apostle Peter speaking concerning the Elect whose Souls were purified in obeying the truth through the Spirit says Being Born again not of corruptible Seed but of incorruptible by the word of God which liveth and abideth for ever 1 Pet. 1.22 23. As for what he relates concerning a Preachers deifying G. F. it is an old thred-bare story often recited by divers opposers and hath been already answered and so I need say the less to it all that I shall observe is that they do not all tell one Tale neither to my own knowledge having compared them is this the same with what hath been Printed by another person referring to this very letter I have one passage more to take notice of before I leave him and truly I cannot tell how to pass by it it being indeed his Reflections on that Person that first occasioned me to take this work in Hand who in Truth deserves to have a better Pen imployed in his Defence than mine but however such as it is though it may fall short of the end proposed through want of Skill and Experience in me how to manage an Argument
Ministers also whom this word of untruth includes and that as it is more than he knows or can prove by the Fourteen named so is more than is possible for him to know by all the rest many of whom he cannot pretend to any knowledge of at all much less can have any thing to object against them either as to Conversation or Doctrine But Christ's Ministers he tells us and his Ministration are to increase and flourish but in Crotchets says in the appointed season wherefore upon the whole it appears to me that these Words of great Concernment proceeds not from The word of Truth but from the Crotchets of a Whimsical imagination whose Life lies in quarreling though he knows not why nor can give any sensible account wherefore But it must be to the gladding refreshing and comforting the Hearts of the Vpright Sincere and Single-hearted Now if he be one of them it seems strange that The Word of Truth he speaks of if it ever spake by him should never send him in time of Persecution to the saving of him now and then 20 l. which he might have been in probability of losing for his Poor Insignificant says But perhaps the Constables and Informers had not an Ear to hear and so he would not let them hear him Neither might they have received his so called certain and true Testimony and so he would not let them receive it However it was it hap'ned very well for him for by that means he saved his Pocket Well since that Paper in 1694. did not quite blow up the Quakers Ministry or Ministration out comes another in 1695. of as Great Moment perhaps as an Oracle from Delphos delivered from the Infallible Tripus and uttered with such Zeal that if this do not stop their Mouths he may e'ne conclude that they are past his mending for if this will not do it I dare engage nothing that J. P. can write ever will He begins with two Quotations of Their great Apostle and Prophet as he calls him George Fox to manifest to them that they ought to be silent viz. All you that speak and not from the Mouth of the Lord are False Prophets Westmorland Petit. p. 5. 1653. They are Conjurers and Diviners and their preaching is from Conjuration that is not spoken from the Mouth of the Lord G. F 's Saul 's Errand c. p. 7. 1654. Now to shew he is a Man of use and application he drives the Nail home and says If this be true then are you who are of his Party and Preachers among the Quakers guilty both before God and Men of being False Prophets Conjurers Diviners and your preaching from Conjuration whereby you deceive and bewitch the People A high Charge I will assure you but if any should Query how he clinches this Nail and what proof he brings to make good this Indictment I answer John Pennyman hath said it he from his vain boasting and self-exalted Spirit is to testifie to them viz. That they do not preach from the Mouth of the Lord as they pretend And he from the vain Imaginations of his own proud deceived and deceitful Heart is to warn them That they presume not to Preach any more in the Name of the Lord till they come into deep Humility c. Therefore to silence them J. P. hath sent forth his Bull and forbids them but be he never so curst one good turn is he hath but short Horns And if this be not a certain and true Testimony and proof enough too to satisfie the Reader that they are guilty of this Charge both before God and Men he may e'ne go seek for proof elsewhere though J. P. no doubt would have him think it enough But if he should chance to insist upon more he may look it where he can find it for J. P. will afford him no more Nor indeed is it reasonable to expect any more in such a scrap of Paper and since J. P. is at so much Charge and Pains as to Print them and come to our Meeting-house Doors to give them away han't he done enough Ay and too much too I think and therefore for this time pray put it up and be thankful But wherefore his Confederate F. B. should Print this Passage of G. F's I cannot conceive for if it be true as J. P. seems to grant what will become of F. B's Pastor and his Brethren of the Clergy who do not so much as pretend to speak from the Mouth of the Lord by immediate Inspiration And if F.B. do not grant it they may chance to weaken their Cause by differing among themselves Moreover if that Man may be said to be of a Party with another who agrees with him in his Sentiments then thus far is J. P. of Party with G. F. by granting these Quotations and not only he but all Speakers or Preachers that are of Party with him therein or in the Work he thereby promotes and so let them take those Quotations and J. P's Conclusions and make the Application themselves and the use he makes of it too viz. Not to presume to Preach and I may add or write either till the Work he mentions is wrought in them viz. They be come into deep Humility and out of their Vain-boasting and Self-exalted Spirit they are at present found in Now after all the preceding Objections against J. P. I sincerely declare that the good Character I have heard concerning him as to his upright Dealing between Man and Man in Way of Commerce and some other Points of Morality for which I have heard him Commended hath often raised a Pity in me towards him and a desire he might not lose the Reward of them by his defect in respect to Christianity the Chiefest Point whereof is Charity and the want of which spoils all the other Parts of a Man's Religion and without which a Man cannot indeed be truly Religious according to the right definition of Religion And I do at this time heartily desire on his behalf that he may meet with true Repentance for all that through Malice he hath ●acted against us which truly I do in great ●e●sure attribute to the weakness of his Understanding and the Whimsies of his Brain which he hath so evidently and frequently manifested in divers of his Actions lest the Judgment which came upon his Brother Jeffery Bullock viz. a Despairing Death-bed overtake him And Reader if thy Inclination farther leads thee to be informed of our Holy Religion and the unholy Treatment it and we have received at the Hands of our Adversaries especially Apostates such as T. C. F. B. G. K. c. the many Tracts that have been written in defence thereof against the Misrepresentations and Perversions of our Enemies which for these Twenty Years and upwards have from time to time been published to numerous here to nominate will more at large inform thee And are sold by Tace Sowle next Door to our Meeting-House in White-hart-court in Gracious-street and by Thomas Northcot in George-yard in Lumbard-street Booksellers FINIS