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A42468 The churche[s] publick order argued and opened by a second confere[nce] betweene Silvanus and Himeneu[s] ... wherein the ordinances of the Church of Engla[nd for] Gods publick worship are proved to beagreeable to Gods sacred word / by L.G. [i.e. I.G.], a continuall friend and lover ofthe tr[uth]. J. G. 1643 (1643) Wing G33; ESTC R42041 23,389 47

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Our Gracious KING with You His greatest and best Councell And give unto You all the spirits of zeale and feare of the LORD so to Decree and Enact that the Truth the power and Sincerity of the Gospell may bee the honour and glory of this Kingdome with the Ordinances of GOD in the purity thereof all mis-understanding betweene His Royall MAIESTIE and Your selves reconciled and all evill Councellors on both sides removed all dissentions discords and disaffections amongst us people composed And all of Vs againe KING Parliament and people made one as the Truth and Our GOD thereof is one Finally my humble prayer is that Your Wisdomes would pardon my boldnesse And that You would be pleased to construe all that I have done or said to be enti●ely and sincerely from the bottome of my heart for the glory of GOD the Honour of KING and Parliament and the dutie of love I owe unto my Christian Neighbours in the fellowship and unitie of the Truth And I shall ever remaine praying for you J. G. To the Reader Christian Friend AS Gods love hath beene free to me so my hearty desire is to manifest my love to all that are his And as in all things I have received of him so especially of the best blessings that we may all prosper even as our soules prosper And therefore the first thing I communicated to the publick was a briefe description of the Kingdome of God and the Children thereof their spirituall conditions and holy persons their estate of suffering and that of triumphing And although therein I have shewed and set it forth yet briefly the great things of Gods Law or Covenant yet some have accounted it a vaine thing so that there was some cause to have spoken no more Yet the generall breach of conformitie and uniforme walking in the publick Ordinances of the Church of England hath so grieved my spirit that I am constrained through the love I beare to Gods people therein I say to make this briefe discourse following Wherein I have kept my selfe close to the Ordinances themselves examining them by such rules in Scriptures as do apparently warrant them so that if all things bee considered there is nothing imposed in the publick by Authoritie that doth any way hinder or prejudice the spirituall sinceritie of the true and pure worshipp of God therefore beloved let us studie to give God thankes for these reformations in the outward wee doe injoy already and that the same God would direct the same power of King and Parliament to goe on to a full perfection of what is begun And in the meane while wee to demeane our selves in obeying praying and studying to shew our selves approved unto God and men giving no offend in any thing that our profession be not blamed And as there 〈◊〉 more truth in the Doctrine of the Church of England then in an other profess●on of Religion I know of so let our Uniformity an● agreements in all other outward Ordinances of publicke commun● on exceed theirs And let us endeavour to manifest our holy inward and spirituall communion by our external union so shall 〈◊〉 ever be yours that is the Lords I. G. THE CHVRCHES PVBLICK ORDER Wherein the Ordinances of the Church of England for Gods publick worship are proved to bee agreeable to Gods Word argued and opened at a second conference between Silvanus and Hymeneus Hymeneus WEll met friend SILVANUS I have often thought of our discourse when we were last together Sil. Sir I am glad if it have given you occasion for your better meditations that Truth and the God thereof may have any glory by my poore endeavours Hym. I must confesse that I have reviewed it since it hat● beene published and I am perswaded your discription both of 〈◊〉 Christian in particular and the true Church in generall is agreeable to Gods Word and that the promises to the Patriarch Prophets and Apostles are truly expounded of which I desire 〈◊〉 have further conference hereafter Silv. It is but a breviation of those many particulars mentioned but if the Scriptures be examined it will make the truth more manifested Hym. You have spoken nothing of the outward condition of the Church neither of Minister nor people which are things I would faine have your judgment in Sil. The true and inward Christian onely knowes how rightly and truely to order state and dispose of ou●ward things and the Christian without or outwardly knowes not how to order one or other as Saint Paul saith the spirituall man or he that is spirituall discerneth all things 1 Cor. ●2 15 Hym. I would pray you to resolve me of those foure particulars that concerne the outward estate of the Church First of the Ministers Officers and people of each Congregation or Pa●rish Secondly of the time or times of Gods publick worship Thirdly the place or places for their meetings Fourthly the worship it selfe both for the matter and manner Sil. Expresse your meaning in the first question Hym. For as much as you deny that the people are to call their Minister shew me how they should be called by the Scriptures Sil. It seemes by calling of Ministers you meane ordination of Ministers and so I understood you the last time we spake of your new fashion in New England Hym. Yes that is my meaning Sil. We finde it written that our Lord Himselfe Marke 3.14 Ordained that is sent his Twelve Apostles and Saint Luke saith he gave them power and authoritie c. and sent them to preach the kingdome of God Luke 9.1 2. And this Evangelist sa●●h the Lord appointed or sent other seventy also and further teacheth us to pray therefore the Lord of the Harvest that he would send forth labourers into his harvest ver 2. So likewise after Christ Assension the Apostles that were sent by himselfe sent others And so this same Evangelist witnesses in the Acts that the Apostles prayed and laid their hands on Stephe● and Philip and others and did thereby ordaine and sen● them into the ministery as well as into the Deaconshi● Acts 6.6 And indeed wonderfull and powerfull they wer● in their Ministerie as he afterwards sheweth so the Apostle Paul affirmeth that Timothie received the gift and authoritie to preach thorow the laying on the hands of t●● Ministers which he there calls the Presbyterie 1 Timo●● 4.14 15. And so also himselfe the same Apostle in par●●cular speakes to Timothy 1 Tim. 1.6 Wherefore I●● put thee in remembrance that thou stirre up the gift of G● that is in thee by the putting in of my hands and so 〈◊〉 Apostle gives him direction also for his ordayning ot●● Ministers 1 Timothy 5.22 Lay thy hands suddenly on● man neither bee partaker of other mens sinnes keepe thy 〈◊〉 pure According to these Scriptures the Church of Eng●●●● hath ordained and appointed that none but such me● are ordained Ministers shall have power and authorit● the ordination of Ministers Hym. These Scriptures you alleadge now and
THE CHVRCHE PVBLICK ORDER Argued and opened at a second Confere●●● betweene SILVANVS and HIMENEV● Discussing foure questions 1. Of Ministers Officers and People 2. Of the time or times of meeting 3. Of the place or places where 4. Of the worship it selfe both for matter and m●●● Wherein the Ordinances of the Church of Engla●● GODS publick Worship are proved to be agreeabl● to GODS Sacred Word By I. G. a continuall friend and lover of the 〈◊〉 PSALM 74.4 Thine enemies roare in the midst of thy Congregations c LAMEN 4.2 Among all her lovers she hath 〈◊〉 to comfort her all 〈◊〉 have dealt treacherously with her they are becom●●●●mies 〈◊〉 Printed for W. W. 1●●3 TO His most Excellent Soveraigne Lord Charles of England Scotland France and Ireland KING the just Defender of the true Faith Most valorous and religious King YOur Magnanimous and Heroicall spirit in Martiall and Military affaires And your zeale fidelity and unshaken unmoveable constancy in the establisht Religion of Gods Church in this Your English Nation fills the hearts of your loyall subjects the Lords servants to praise the God of Heaven for You And to pray earnestly that hee that hath covered your head in the day of battell would bee alwayes as tender over You as the Apple of his owne eye and so preferre You as the Signet on his right hand and that the gifts of Gods wisdom and grace may be doubled on You his Anointed servant Your gracious acceptance of my former endeavours hath incouraged mee not only to compose this short discourse of the Churches publike Order for the true worship of God which declares the outward form of the Churches service as the former Treatise Dedicated to Your Majesty doth the inward truth of the Church it selfe But also to presume to present it to Your Royall and serious consideration for as much as many of Your honest Subjects want the knowledge of it And all Your factious people oppose contemne and hate it even those weeds spring up amongst the good Corne As Brownists Anabaptists Papists Familists Antinomists with solly and Semi Separatists all which having not their parts in the feare the sorrow the povertie and preparation spirituall come all short of Gods Spirits testimony although● like Mountebankes in market-places they lift up their voyces avouching the goodnesse and proofe of their medicines which notwithstanding all their brags and vaine boasting cannot give a foote to the lame nor an eye to the blinde And compared with truth are at of them found poysonous doctrines of death that instead of saving health wee are mad● thereby deadly sicke And were it not fo● that unparalleld veritie of Your Majestie confessions and resolved resolutions we have for our remarkable examples next an● immediately under him that is our goo● GOD over all blessed for ever we● might fall into the same Consumption 〈◊〉 our soules in matter of Religion as now w● are in our lives and estates for false corrup● and lying doctrins have so darkned the cl●a● light of the pure truth like smothering fire and smoake have destroyed many weake Christians yea such an universall destruction as the plagues of Aegypt made in that land on ●an and beast fruitfull Trees and every ●reene hearbe but blessed bee the Lord for ●he good will of him that dwelleth in the bush ●hat hath blessed Your Royall Head and Heart like the head of JOSEPH that still ●ou have beene the same Anointed with the ●ame truth in which truth the Children ●hereof are your truest loyal'st and faithfull'st ●ubjects of whom although the most unworthy 〈◊〉 your Highnesse servant that suffereth and ●eleeveth with you I. G. TO The Right Honourable the LORDS and Commons of the High COURT OF PARLIAMENT ONE unknowne to the most of You yet dayly praying for You all that the God of Heaven the alone giver of the best Counsell would sit with You to guide and counsell You all in all things for the present and to come As those great blessings through his blessing You have effected for Vs already in suppressing the pride the Idlenesse and superstition of the Clergie the destruction of the abominable popish innovations the annihilating of the great oppressing Courts of High Commission and Star-Chamber And that of honour which was greatly dishonoured and above all that incomparable Act of the Triennial Parliament a permanent benefit to Gods Church for a ground and foundation of continuall Iustice and Religion that reformation both of Magistrates and Ministery in ruling and teaching may be perfected and such order and manner appointed for the peoples obedience that unitie and concord in the truth may bee harmonious throughout this kingdome And our gracious King with Your most honourable Assembly and the whole Nation blessed And because the best reformation and perfect restitution are spirituall things the one the new making or re-begetting of mankind unto God the other the inheritance or purchased possession of Gods Children called in Scriptures regeneration and the perfection and restitution both which are the subject of my discourse in my former Treatise Dedicated to Our dread Soveraigne His Gracious Majestie And in regard that life is hid for the present and those truths are inward and spirituall whose heavenly nature is not apprehended and understood by all Ministers and I am certaine by fewer of the people but they all for the most part looke for outward forme and things exterior being such our selves for the greater number Right Honourable the mistake of the Scriptures are so general in this particular in applying the testimony of the Holy Prophets who generally speake and altogether agree in promising and assuring the eternall heavenly and perfect estate to bee fulfilled and accomplished at the Resurrection the Glorious comming of our Lord to judgment Notwithstanding such is the daily and continuall misprision of those precious promises to a worldly temporall and conceited estate here in this life by many severall factions some of which as in this so in my former Treatise I have instanced this mistaking I say hath constrained me and as I am perswaded in bounden dutie I am obliged to Dedicate and present in all humble submission this short Treatise unto Your Grave wisdomes that by Your favourable countenance and respect to a thing so meane and from the hands of one meaner My Brethren and fellow Citizens may come to see that Your prudent and Honourable predecessors since the time of Reformation from that mystery of iniquitie and superstitious darkenesse of Anti-Christian Poperie that GOD Almightie hath so assisted them by the ayde of the HOLY GHOST that the Ministers Ordination the time place the matter and manner prescribed for Gods publicke worship as is within this short Treatise briefely touched is agreeable to GODS holy Word for so farre as they have gone And for the rest in a further and larger manner Or for the better and more perfect ordering of what is already done the LORD of Heaven direct the heart of