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A96713 The quaking prophets two wayes proved false prophets, upon their own grounds laid down in an aiery [sic] whimsical answer to three queries ... vvith a discovery of their jugling the people out of their understanding ... also how Christ lighteneth every man that cometh into the world ... With a brief answer to three queries, sent by the Quakers to the author. / By T. Winterton. Winterton, Thomas.; Burrough, Edward, 1634-1662. Answer to three queries coming out of a dark mind, from a blind understanding. 1655 (1655) Wing W3093; ESTC R186760 13,306 16

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spirit he is none of his but an enemy to him and knows not the false Prophet from the true nor cannot reade the note character and sign having no salt is without savour for they are known by their fruits to him that hath the spirit men cannot gather grapes of thorns nor figs of thistles if thou can read this parable thou mayst know the difference for this is the sign which Christ gave of them Who were they that cryed Loe here and loe there and was and is known to him who is the true Prophet who abideth within and saith Go not forth if thou be in this Doctrine thou can understand and this is the note sign and character which the Prophets and Apostles gave of them They looked every one for his gain from his quarter and preached for hire and went in Cains way to envy and in Baalams way after the guift and through covetousness made merchandize of people and their Ministery was such that alwayes people were learning but were not able to come to the knowledge of the truth by them but were led away with divers lusts And such were not sent nor now are not immediate from the Lord nor speaks not by the spirit from the mouth of the Lord and what he speaks is fallible and a lie and whatsoever he affirms and declares is for condemnation for his Testimony is from man and his Call from man and he speakes his own words and the world heareth him and receiveth such and such are exalted in it called of men master and hath the chief seat in the Assembly and are proud covetous heady and high-minded and such are in the enmity against the true Prophet which is Christ who receiveth not his Testimony from man but from God and such who are in him now as ever was is hated and mocked of the world who are children of darkness though they speak from the mouth of the Lord infallibly yet they cannot give testimony to the world nor to thy adulterous Generation to be believed of them that he is sent of God And this is the sign of the true Prophet not to receive testimony from man nor to speak his own words in his own time and this Prophet is born and brought forth contrary to the Will of man nor speakes not his own words but the Word of God who are in his own will speaking his own words is a false Prophet and runs in his own will and is not sent of God and none that will in his own Will can be a true Prophet but they and thou in that Will stands in the enmity against God and here thy Character is read 2. In this Query thou askes whether there be any light in man but what is sealed in his understanding and whether the understanding receiveth not its light from the information of the sences and whether any information to the understanding but what is from the sences is not meer imaginary An. The light of Christ which lighteneth every man that comes into the world which shines in darkness thou cannot comprehend but by it are comprehended and judged thy sensual state the light which shines in darkness which is seated in the conscience is received from God and it 's ground is God and not the sences but it reproveth the motion of the sences which ariseth in the disobedience and judgeth the information of the sensual nature which informeth into disobedience unto God and conformeth but unto the Saints words and practises in the sensual understanding contrary to the true light and this is from imaginary light and is for condemnation which the true light which thou cannot comprehend but stumbles at Qu. 3. In this Query thou askes whether it be necessary to believe any that shall say they have in them something above nature till they can demonstrate something in them which is not to be sound in natural persons and whether the note of one truly spiritual is not so to love Christ and the Gospel as freely to lay down his life for the truth thereof and whether many Jesuits of late have not done this and whether there be not an absolute opposition between the Church of Rome and you An. It is onely necessary for thee to know thy self and to believe in the light which lets thee see thy evil deeds and thy corrupt heart the light which hath lighted every man that comes into the world is eternal and spiritual and which condemneth the natural man in his works and knowledge and is not of the natural man though in him for light shines in darkness To thy dark mind this may be and is demonstrated in word though not believed by thee for thou that stumbles at the light art an unbeliever in the natural ground among the natural persons who cannot discern the things of God though declared and demonstrated unto you and this is thy note and character a stumbler at the corner stone who is him which is the light of men and so no friend to him nor to his Gospel but an enemy to both to the light I do speak in thee which shall one day answer me who art in thy fleshly mind and lust and queries with thy busie mind and in thy natural knowledge in which thou also corrupts thy self To the latter part of thy Query I do answer the Jesuits have never of late nor of former dayes laid down their lives for the truth of the Gospel but out of a fiery zeal without knowledge in the darkness and not in the light between which and Us is an absolute opposition as between thee and us who art both in one ground and nature their Church of Rome and the Church of England so called which is not the Church of Christ we do stand in opposition against by the true light which cleerly manifests unto us that the one is worshipping an Image and the other an Imagination and are both in the cursed ground enemies to the Worship of God which is a spirit and among them thy name stands in opposition to the true light which removeth their ground and art a stumbler at it folowing thy own will and the desires of thy own mind Therefore friend repent and search thy own heart and try whose servant thou art by the light which will shew thee and bear witness for the righteous God and against all thy ungodly wayes and words This light is in thee and comes from Christ thy way to salvation if thou love it but thy condemnation for ever hating it This will resolve all thy doubts and will let thee see from whence thy Queries did proceed Thus I have answered them and do expect an Answer from thee of these following 1 What is the ground in which the Church of Rome stands and whether it be removed in thee and if how was it removed and whether the Vial be powred upon the seat of the beast yea or nay and what is his seat and his mark and the number of his
to it but by that time thou hadst done thou either forgot what to answer or else thou supposed that the bare writing of it down was sufficient For I query Whether there be any light in man but what is seated in the Understanding If I had queried Whether there be any light in man but what is seated in the heel the Answer that thou gives is as satisfactory to the one as to the other But instead of answering thou tellest me that Christ lighteneth every man that cometh into the world about which thou and I differ not but where this light is seated whether in the understanding or no this thou mightest have seen if thou hadst not been a blind as well as a false Prophet To the two first parts of the last Query thou dealest as to all the rest and that is like to a man that should ingage to meet his enemy in the field should keep his appointed hour and when his enemy cometh repeat the quarrel and then run away so thou ingageth to answer my queries the which thou repeastest and then runnest away from giving an Answer For the query is Whether its necessary to believe any that shall say they have in them something above Nature or supernatural unless they can make it appear that they have in them something that cannot be found in a natural man Thy answer is that it is necessary for me to know my self and then like one far more fitter to rail then to answer accuseth me with evil deeds a corrupt heart one whom thou never saw or so much as heard the least jealousie of the least guilt of the least crime against me so although thy boastings are as great as any false Prophets yet thou hast as few brains as the least of them howsoever thou hast blundered up an Answer to the two last parts of this last Query and that is that the Jesuits have neither former nor latter laid down their lives for the truth of the Gospel yet thou sayest they did it out of a fiery zeal the which is a contradiction to your denial for zeal argueth they did believe it true for there is no zeal but what is grounded upon a confidence And though I have proved you Quaking Prophets false yet if you should the which I am confident you never will lay down your lives for your Opinion I could not but believe that you did conceive that true you died for and if I should say the contrary and yet say you did it out of fiery zeal I contradict my self as you do Lastly thou sayst thou art opposite to the Church of Rome yet thou art one and the same in foundation the which is no more then meer imagination and in many grand errors as assuming an infallible spirit and damning all that will not believe you as they likewise do Thus having proved thee a false Prophet in that thou hast not the mark character and sign of a true I yet have a few more things against thee and that is to prove thou hast the Root and Ground in thee of all those abominations the which thou sayst are marks characters and signs of a false Prophet and that is proved thus Thou sends me 3 Queries to answer and thou chargest me to answer them in plain words and thou feignest an Answer to me in aiery Whimsies without either direct answer or plain words thus thou asking more then thou wilt give thou givest a perfect sign of self-love in thee the which is the ground of all abominations It s the ground of running in the ways of Cain after envie and the way of Baalam after guifts it s the ground of making merchandize of the people and ministry it s the ground of all covetousness pride and ambition yea it s the very Corner stone of all the abominations in the World Now these false Prophets of whom thou sayst these are the marks characters and signs of they came not with these marks characters and signs in their fore-heads but they privily hide them under their sheeps cloathing from the understanding of the people yea they came in with two hornes like a Lamb till they had got into the affections of the people and into a way of settlement they then spake like a Dragon Again as thou haste the foresaid Ground and Root in thee so there are many Branches appear The first is that thou blamest me for inquiring and saith it s out of my busie mind yet thou sends me as many as I sent thee and four times as many to the Anabaptists Thus thou blaming me for sending 3 Queries art much more to be blamed for sending 15. The second is a branch of falshood for in the beginning of thy pretended Answer thou sayst thus An Answer to three Queries and at the end thereof thou sayst thus I have answered them yet thou hast answered but two parts of twelve The third is a branch of pure folly for you say that I have a dark and blind understanding and all along in thy aiery Whimsie conclude me in darkness yet thou sendest three Queries to me for information or else thou dissemblest and that 's a perfect mark character ane sign thou art not a true Prophet The fourth branch that doth spring out of this bitter Root is that which thou sayst is a mark character and sign of a false Prophet and that is to be alwayes teaching the people and never bring them to the knowledge of the truth so thou with thy antick carriages and whimsical teaching juggles the unstaid people out of their own understanding that so they may see by thy eyes and hear by thy ears and understand by thy understanding so that their eyes are made useless their ears useless and their understanding useless even like the Papists the poor unstaid people rely upon thy pretended infallibilities as the Papists do on the Church of Rome And whereas thou tellest them that Christ lightneth every man that cometh into the world and of the light within them but thou either canst not or wilt not shew the people what they are to understand by it Wherefore to undeceive the people thou and the rest of thy fellow deceivers have beguiled and to keep others from being deceived by you I shall endeavor to shew what this Light is or what of necessity it must be and that I may do it in plainness to their understanding I shall change my Method into a Dialogue Quest Whether Christ lighteneth every man that cometh into the world inwardly or outwardly Answ Both inward and outward that is the eyes of the body and the eyes of the understanding Qu. How can that be made appear A. The same ground that proves he lightened man in any part the same proves he lightened man in every part where light appears for as he was God he did the one so he did the other so the World was made by him and without him was made nothing and again speaking as he