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A45122 An answer to Dr. Stillingfleet's book of The unreasonableness of separation so far as it concerns The peaceable designe : with some animadversions upon the debate between him and Mr. Baxter concerning the national church and the head of it. Humfrey, John, 1621-1719.; Humfrey, John, 1621-1719. Peaceable design.; Baxter, Richard, 1615-1691. Of national churches.; Stillingfleet, Edward, 1635-1699. Unreasonableness of separation. 1682 (1682) Wing H3667; ESTC R28713 17,588 40

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Head When that Article was put in the Creed I Believe the Catholick Church I would ask the Doctor Whether this Distinction of Visible and Invisible was used in the World And if it was not when it arose it could not take off any thing of Christ's Headship When both Visible and Invisible were but one he must be Head of both Again there are some Learned Men deny a Catholick Church Visible The Doctor does hold it And what if they should advance against him this Argument If there be no Catholick Visible Head there is no Catholick Church Visible But there is no Catholick Visible Head The Minor is the Doctors and the Major is to be denyed of no other but the Doctor Let us proceed to the bottom We have sounded the Doctors Invention let us try his Reason There is no necessity of such a Head sayes he for a National Consent is as sufficient to make a National Church as an Universal Consent to make a Catholick Church This is the Doctors Reason It is Consent alone makes a Church or Society though it hath no Head The Consent of a Nation makes a National Church the Consent of All Christians the Catholick Church the Consent of a Particular Company a Particular Church or Congregation This is his bottom and it is something but exceeding rawly spoken Let us understand therefore where there is a company of Persons who have no power one over another that might receive mutual Advantage if United to that end such a Company are called a Community If they agree together for the obtainment of that end to come into an Order of Superiority and Inferiority that makes it a Society or Political Body If the end be for that good which is only Temporal it is called a Common-Wealth if for that which is Spiritual it is a Church The Doctor now is to be askt What Consent it is that he means If he means by his Consent the Agreement which People make at first when they enter into Society it is true that their Consent is the Foundation but the Doctor here I hope does see that this Consent is for the having a Head and Government and the pitching upon the Sort or Manner of the Government they would have which Agreement is called the Constitution It is not this Consent therefore the Doctor should mean which is not also applicable to the Catholick Church in which he Instances whose Head and Government is not of Mans Election but of the Will of God only By the way for the National Church It is true that Particular Churches in a Nation being of Divine Appointment the Pastors or Ministers who have the Rule over their Flocks In Actu Primo that is the Right of Discipline and Censure may agree to a delegating that power In Actu Secundo or the Exercise of it for Reasons of Prudence to a Superintendent called a Bishop who shall be Supervised by an Arch-Bishop and that the Arch-Bishop Bishops and Clerks chosen out of themselves met in a Convocation shall have the Power of making Laws or Canons by which they will be Governed Upon such a Consent as this here appears a Political National Church in the Constitution wherein is an Ecclesiastical Formal Constitutive Regent Part or Head over an Organical Body for the Administration and that founded upon the true Bottom upon which all rightly constituted Societies do stand the Agreement of the Community The Regent Part here is placed not in One Person which does not need but in One Corporation or United Assembly whereof the Arch-Bishop is but a chief part as the Bishops are and I would humbly ask Mr. Baxter what he thinks of it For as for the Doctor I think not him a Competent Judge not so much because he is not versed in that sort of Study as the other is but because of his departure from himself in the Prudentials of his Irenicum and being thereby now engaged to maintain the Government of our Church to be of Divine Right he must not receive this Notion which let it shew him never so clear and firm a Ground to build the same upon does make it of Human Institution If by his consent he means the consent of every Man in particular to be of such a Church or Society it is true that a Mans consent does make him a Member so as without it he could be none but the Church or Society must be supposed to be Formed before of the Ruling and Ruled Part and his Consent to be a Member is a consent to be Ruled and to own such a Head as well as to enjoy the Benefits of such a Society This Consent is the Condition upon which he hath right to be a Member it is the Ratio Fundandi of his Membership and the Condition upon which the Ruler hath Authority over him in particular when we suppose he may otherwise be at his own choice but if a Man shall fancy that this Consent does make a Church or Society as the Form that Constitutes it as they must do who suppose a Society to be Made Formed or Constituted by this Consent without a Head or the necessity of one it is such a raw injudicious indigested Conception as could have never once swum in the Thoughts of so Learned a Person if he had a faculty for beating out a Notion so good as he has for Books and negligence toward others that endeavour it It is true there is no Political Society whether Civil or Ecclesiastical but there must be Consent and Union but it is not this Consent and Union only makes it a Church or Common-Wealth A Vicinity may have Concord nay a Herd and there is Consent in a Society in Fieri not yet Organiz'd or Unform'd There is something that gives the Name and Being and makes a Society to be that which it is in specie different from others which is not I say Consent but it is an Order of Superiority and Inferiority upon Consent that does this and that is all one as to be the Form that Constitutes the Society And Consequently when I find the Doctor being at last drawn to it come to such a Determination as this about the Point that There is no necessity of a Constitutive Head because a National Consent makes a National Church I must pronounce it such a grave Nothing such a speaking Nothing with Gravity and pretence of being Wiser too than his fellows that if he do not come to be ashamed before Mr. Baxter has done with him or has reason to be so I will be exposed to shame my self for my speaking thus freely plainly and honestly as another person perhaps would not do The truth is it is pity the Doctor did declare his Heart while he was Young against the Divine Right of Episcopacy seeing he hath occasion now for another Opinion Whether out of Prudence or Conscience whether for want of more Light then or more full Light now it is God and himself knows