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A79520	An answer to a book which Samuel Eaton put up to the Parliament: which he saith he is a teacher of the Church of Christ, heretofore meeting at Ducken-field, now at Stockport in Cheshire; and he cals the title of his book Quakers confuted. Moses who was a judg quaked and trembled, David a king in Israel quaked and trembled, and Solomon who was a king trembled, and Daniel a servant of the most high God trembled, ... And these heard the voice of God, and thou that writest, thou mayest say thou hast confuted all them; for he that is against them, is against us, and he that is against us, is against them, for the same power is witnessed; but thou Eaton, who saith thou art a teacher of the church at Duckenfield, who saith thou hast heard the voice of the living God, and that such a voice as this, as comes immediately from God, you have not heard, ... And Isaiah saith, hear the word of the Lord all ye that tremble at his word; and this is the man that I do regard, saith the Lord, that is of a contrite heart, and trembleth at my word; but such Eaton and his church doth not regard, but custs out friends of the Lord from them, whom the world calls Quakers.	Camm, John, 1604?-1656.	1654 (1654)	Wing C389; Thomason E735_9; ESTC R206969	38,921	53

speaks from heaven whose voice shakes the earth so thou knows nothing of salvation but by heresay and here thou shewest thy self to be a false Prophet that takes the Saints words and say he saith when saith the Lord I never spoke to them and doth confess that the Jews said Moses heard his voice and among the Jews thou art who persecutes the truth Object And thou sayest Such an inspiration which is immediately received from God we have not received neither do we wait for it Rep. Here thou hast cleared thy self that thou hast not received the Spirit of God but art in the spirit of errour for the Scripture was given us by inspiration and by immediate inspiration of the same Spirit are understood again and from this thou hast cleared thy self and from the life of all the holy men of God and sayest thou dost neither look nor wait to receive such an immediate voice nor such an insp●ration and here thou shewest thy self to be a natural man and one of the dumb Prophets that hath not a word from the Lord but an imposture thou accusest them thou call Quakers withal and art a deceiver but those words they deny and Wonders and Miracles and Signs are amongst them but your adulteress generation could never believe Object And thou sayest the Querie strikes at all preachings but what immediately proceeds from the suggestion of the Spirit and this thou sayest is the ven●m and poyson of the Query Rep. And here again thou clearest thy self to be no Minister of the Spirit but art in the suggestions of Satan and counts that venom and poyson the immediate preaching of the Spirit to thee it is poyson but it must dash thee to pieces and thou through many words would blind the people who utters them forth without knowledg and so a fool is known Object And thou sayest the word of old which was spoken by the Prophets and this is a more sure word then any immediate word Rep. There thou hast cleared thy self from the immediate Word who art built upon a rotten foundation which is not immediate and would clear the Prophets from this immediate word to make them like thy self who sayes and calls this a more sure word of Prophecy then any immediate word Here thou goest about to make the word and Prophecy not an immediate word and shews thy self to be a dreamer Object And thou sayest consequently God did not intend immediate teaching not to give out an immediate voice in after ages which should airect and guide men in the wayes of salvation Rep. And here again I charge thee in the presence of the Lord to be a lyar and a blasphemer who would limit God and would be his Counsellour and yet sayes thou never waits to hear his voice and not come so far● as to be a Minister of the letter who would have it kept in store and saith it is a precious treasure God saith he will power out his Spirit upon al fl●sh in the latter dayes his sons and his daughters shall prophecy and thou deniest immediate teaching and so denies the spirit of the Lord which guides in the way of salvation which thou denies and thou hast denied that thou last heard any Voice from God neither dost thou wait for it And here thou denies thy self to be taught of God for all the children of the Lord are taught of the Lord and they that are taught of him hears his voice which thou denies and shews thy self to be a stranger from God and Christ Object And thou sayest there must not be a waiting for a new immediate word Rep. Here thou shewest thy self that thou knowest not the immediate word and this immediate word thou hast cleared thy self from which gave forth the letter and would keep others from waiting for the receiving of it and speak of a word spoken to you though not immediately and if not immediately it is carnal Object And thou bringest Paul who said Well spoke the Holy Ghost by Isaiah He did not say well spoke the Holy Ghost to me but to Isaiah Rep. Here thou would'st make people believe that the Apostle had not the Holy Ghost which opened to him all those words which Isaiah spoke for without the Holy Ghost he could not understand his words nor never shalt thou Object Thou sayest it was Gods word to Isaiah which he made use of against the people to whom he spake though not Gods word to him immediately Rep. And here thou shewest that thou neither knows Gods Word nor his immediate teaching who sits as a Judg upon Isaiah's condition Silence flesh for thou art for judgment and destruction and would make people believe that Isaiah was one of them that used his tongue Query 8. Whether a man shall overcome the body of sin while he is upon the earth yea or no Ans● And in thy answer thou said'st no. 〈◊〉 The Apostle said yea they were not in the flesh but 〈…〉 and he thanked God they were made free from sin 〈…〉 put off the body of sin and become servants of righteousness And here thou shewest thy self to have a lying Spirit 〈◊〉 to the Scripture which thou boastest to be thy rule and so thou brings the Saints weaknesses as they passed the warture to maintain thy own Kingdom of Sin and when John and the Apostle Paul speaks plainly of overcoming the world and Body of Sin thou speakest of a sense of overcoming as though they did not speak truth and so art giving an interpretation to their words who art in the lying Generation and for the warfare which the Apostles speaks of the Saints witnessed and do witness it and witnesses a Victory over the Body of Sin and are not alwayes in the warfare for whil'st ye are in the warfare there is no peace but they that overcome witnesses peace and joy in the Holy Ghost For he that is born of God doth not commit sin neither can he sin because his seed remains in him And here the warfare is ended who witness this and the Victory over the Body of Sin and are not si●ly women alwayes learning and never able to come to the knowledg of the truth but in that Generation thou art leading silly women captive alwayes learning and never able to come to the knowledg of the truth keeping them alwayes in their sins and pleading for thy own Kingdome which is the Kingdome of the Devil for he that commits sin is of the Devil which thou so plead'st for Query 9. Whether you do preach no other Doctrine but what the Apostles did that which was from the beginning which we have heard which we have seen with our eyes which w● have looked upon and our hands have handled of the Word o● Life for this Life is made manifest and we have seen it an● bear witness and shew it unto you Ans And in your answer to this Query you say That yo● aim at nothing but exalting Christ and you should have a

your lyes is the lake and it s well they have set their names to these lyes John Pomroy Paul Glissen Joseph Kellet that they may be known For with the chi●dren of light they are and their Spirit tried had they not uttered forth their names and their voice discerned and the Eternal Light of God sees them which shall be their eternal condemnation and the Judgement of God will fall upon hem for th ir lyes and slanders for them that they call Quakers ●usking we own else we should lay waste the Scriptures as you do For David quaked Moses quaked and Paul trembled and Habbakuk quivered and Jeremy shaked and these were in the faith and hope and these had the life of the Scriptures a●co●di●g to their measure Now let all people see if John Pomroy Paul Glissen and Joseph Kellet wh ch have digg●d a p●t for others see if they be not fallen into it themselves who are laying waste the Scriptures for the Gospel of Christ we own and the Scriptures are ours and the Doctrine of Christ we live in and Faith and Hope and not laying waste the Scripture but all such as make trades on the Scripture such we would have laid waste And thou Eaton and the rest who saith there are no such Officers now no such Teachers now no such Pastors now as was then Dost not thou here lay waste the Scripture and hast shewed thy self to be one of them and can imposture that what thou knows thou knows naturally which were ordained of old for condemnation as Jude speaks of for thou denies immediate inspiration and thou denies hearing the voice of God when Christ is the same to day yesterday and for ever and they that are of God hear his word and they that hear his word he●r his voice and here thou hast shewed thy self that thou art not of God and the Gospel is the same which is the pillar and ground of truth And another thing thou Eaton sets as a witness against them whom thou calls Quakers which word thou spake in thy letter to Richard Walter and thou said'st Satan had filled his heart with such fogs and mists and darkness and this is in thy page 56. and this is in thy own letter which thou would●st slander us with thy own words which came out of thy own bottle But O thou Enemy of good thy door is set open and what is in thy house is seen and wh●● is in thy bottle pours out and so for the truths sake because an evil report and slander should not rest upon ●t and for the simple ones and d●luded ones that are subject to catch at his histories and reports So for the trut●s sake have I given forth this not to be justified of man nor to b● known outward●y but to be known to the Lord God and of him to be justified and not to stir up strife or war but that truth might be set up and all d●ceit confounded and the simple ones directed and their minds guided to God to hear his voice and to wait upon him that they might come into the life of the Scriptures that they were in that gave them forth which thou hast declared that thou hast not neither dost thou wait for it so shews thy self to be an imposture and keeps all in the pit and from hearing the voice of the living God And as for railing such we deny and all such as lay waste Scripture and live not the life of it and Christ and saith and hope but in their places we own all as it was given forth and here be thou Samuel Eaton and John Pomroy and Paul Glissen and Joseph Kellet to that in your consciences I speak that it may witness against you that you are witnesses against the truth of God and ●hem that live in it who hath published forth your lyes and slanders who are for the Lake And thou Samuel Eaton who makes a colour of answering the Queries thou hast made many Queries and hath answered thy own let the Reader of thy Book but take notice and see thy deceit and imposture which thou so often accuses them that thou calls Quakers with which therein thou art comprehended thy self with the children of light and I leave thee to be judged with them all because thou hast published thy Book openly let all the children of the light judge thee what spirit thou art guided by who denyes immediate inspiration And in thy Answer to the seventeenth Query thou slanders the Apostle and saith it was a hyperb●lycal Speech when the Apostle said they knew all things and needed no man to teach them but as the ano●n●ing and this thou sayest was an hyperbolycal expression O vain man where did the Apostle give ●orth any such expressions thou would'st make him a lyar like ●hy self who cannot own his words therefore do we own the Apostle who spoke plainly and deny thee with thy hyperbolycal expressions who art in the wisdom of words and slanders the Power of God which makes the earth to tremble in wh●ch power stood the Saints faith and wisdom as the Apostle spoke to the Corinthians in which Spirit and Power of the living God stands our saith and wisdom and not in the wisdom of the world which wisdom we see all comes to nothing which wisdom thou lives in and so with the world thou mayest be justified for it loves its own and in it thou mayest have many witnesses but thou dost not know as thou hast confessed and with him no lyar nor slanderer nor with them who are Gods Thou sayest The Church of Christ is the pillar and ground of truth and doth witness the truth contained in the Scripture But this is anothers and not thine for thou canst not witness it to be the pillar and ground of truth but art an enemy to it and denyes the immediate inspiration and hearing the voyce of the living God And thou asserts that the Mystery of Godliness is great Thou mayest assert it for godliness is a mystery to thee thou knowest it not but he that spoke these words God manifested in the flesh justified in the spirit witnessed these words as he spoke them and to such as thee it is a mystery without any consequences or ●ences thou mayest very well assert it for thou art without God i● the world And as for El ction thou knows nothing of For his secrets are with them that fear him and thou denies ever hearing his voice therefore how should th●u know his Secrets and there let thy mo●th be stept for thou knows not what is elect●d whic● art pleading for sin and for the D●v●l and denie● p●rfection and pu●i●y so thou art without among the dogs and the Whoremongers and the Adulterers and there we leave thee And thou who sayest thou never heardst Gods voyce nor dost not wait for it nor never shalt in the state thou art in though thou sayest thou hast confuted the Quakers but it is with that nature which is

Object And whereas thou sayest we are against that which the Saints used Rep. Here I charge thee to be a lyar for the Saints practises we own but thy performances we deny Object And thou sayest we might be convinced that you are not in the condition of the Jews hours and prayers Rep. We find you in the same nature though under another colour and enemies to Christ Object And thou brings Acts 3. Rep. That will fit and maintain thee in the Jews estate all people take notice the Apostles did not go up to uphold the Jews hours and prayers but to bring them off those things and here thou hast uttered forth thy folly Object And thou sayest They strike at godliness Rep. Here I charge thee in the presence of God to be a lyar Object And whereas thou sayest If they can but destroy all forms the power will fall with it Rep. And here thou hast uttered forth thy folly indeed and blasphemy as though the form was before the power and here thou hast shewed thou hast no power but the form as the Apostles speaks of so thou plead'st for daies and hours and moneths which the Apostles speaks against And here thou hast cleared thy self from the Doctrine of the Apostles and the Lords day we own f●r all is the Lords and the Saints meeting we own but thine we do deny who denies immediate inspiration And what hast thou to do to talk of the Apostles meeting the first day of the week and worship of God who denies immediate inspiration and hearing Gods voice and denies immediate teaching for God is a Spirit and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and truth and that thou canst not who denies immediate teaching thou hast got a likeness of a Church and so imitates the Apostles meetings the first day of the week and so hast got the form and not the power and because the Saints meet on the first day from their words thou gathers likeness which is forbidden and what Scriptures hast thou that it is named the Lords day when the Supper is nominated the Supper of the Lord we own and the day of the Lord but thou knowest nothing of the Supper of the Lord nor the day Obj. And in thy answer thou would'st make people believe we deny prayer Rep. And in that thou art a lyar and what hast thou to do to talk of Abraham and holy men of God who denies hearing the Voice of God and denies immediate Inspiration which the holy men of God witnessed Object And thou talk'st of Jacob purging away the Idols and reforming his family Rep. O man look at home and pu●ge away the Idols from thy self for David and Jacob we own and do witness and the Saints will not deny prayers but such as thine who prayest and never heard the Voice of God nor immediate inspiration as thou hast confest it and dost not look for it and what good will all thy prayers do thee evening and morning we witness the Apostles words pray alwayes and praise with the spirit and understanding Here thou hast shewed thy self as the Priests of Baal who cut themselves who fasts and yet thou sayest let us seek Gods face in prayer and denies hearing Gods Voice Query 17. Whether do you not seduce the people to draw them from the anoynting within them when John saith They need no man to teach them but as the anoynting and the promise was eternal life to him that did abide in the anoynting Ans In thy answer to this Query thou sayest the word that Christ preached was outward Rep. And here I charge thee in the presence of the Lord to be a lyar for he said the word which he spoke was spirit and life and here thou draws people from the anointing to the Satanical delusion as thou calls it and publishes lies Obj. And thou sayest John's Ministry was outward and yet he came in the spirit and power Reply What confused stuff is this Here I charge thee again to be a lyar John's teaching we witness and Christs teaching we witness and deny thine which is outward and thou must needs be there for thou denyes immediate inspiration who draws people from the inward to the outward Here thou shews what thou art if there had been no reply and who puts no difference betwixt ears for there are ears and hears not and there are ears which hear and here thou shews thy self to be a false prophet who saith they are seduced which are drawn from the external means which is earthly let all people see if you be not that wi●ch that the Scripture speaks of that bewithed the Galatians in drawing them from the spirit within to observe circumcision without them who draws to the external who saith to wait for the receiving of the Spirit without any word is delusion Here thou goes about to make the Word and the Spirit two Obj. And thou sayest One was newly redeemed out of the hellish captivity Reply He is fit to be Ambassador of thy Church a drunkard one of thy redeemed ones There was a Warrant granted out against him for drunkenness fence he was redeemed as thou calls it Obj. And thou pleads much for mans teaching Reply Here thou shews plainly that thou art a Minister made by the will of man when Paul declares that he was not made a Minister by the will of man but by the will of God and here thou hast cleared thy self plainly from being a Minister made by the Will of God or taught of him Obj. And thirdly thou sayest The words You need not any man teach you but as the anointing teacheth you is an byperbolycal expression Reply Here I charge thee again to pervert the Apostles words Obj. And thou sayest the Apostle tells them they knew all things and thou sayest is is an excessive speech Reply And so thou goes about to make the Apostle a lyar and are giving a meaning to his words and wouldest give a comparative senc● as thou callest it to it and here thou shewest openly that thou dost both add wrest and pervert the Apostles words who shews thy self openly to be deceived who art giving private interpretations to the Scripture when the Scripture saith there is none and thou art perverting the Lords words who saith they shall all know him from the greatest to the least they shall not need to teach every man his neighbour and every man his brother for they shall all know me from the greatest to the least of them saith the Lord. Obj. And thou sayest there is no such measure of the spirit that can thrust out outward teaching while we are here Reply Here thou high blasphemer hast denyed the everlasting Covenant of God and while thou art there thou shalt never know it Obj. And thou sayest there is no such Scripture as to abide in the anointing that the Promise was Eternal life to him that did Reply And here thou dost neither understand the anointing nor the

rule for the Scripture saith As he is so are we in this present world Obj. And thou sayest but Ministerial gifts are not to be found in the world which the Ministers of the Gospel had Rep. Here to the view of all people thou hast brought thy self un-the curse for if it be not the same M●n●stery and the same gifts it is another therefore silence flesh let the Apostles alone command and charge thee in the presence of the Lord who sayest the gifts are not now to be found in the world which the Ministers of the Go●pel had here thou hast cleared thy self and thy generation from them if it be not the same it is another which is contrary and here thou shewest thy self to be the w●●ch that bewitches people Object Which saith there is now no such gifts as they had which were Ministers of the Spirit nor any such Pastors Offic●rs and Teachers now as was then Rep. Here again I charge thee in the presence of the Lord to be a lyar who hath shut thy self in the state of the Pharisees hath cleared thy self from the Church of God Pastors Officers and Teachers for the Officers Pastors and Teachers are the same now which ever was we witness it and witness thee to be a lyar and all that are not the same Officers Pastors Teachers and Ministers of the Spirit are accused which thou and all thy Generation are guilty of who are not the same Officers Pastors Teachers and Ministers as was then and if not the same then they are contrary to Scriptures and here let the Scriptures condemn thee and them and here thou deny'st your selve to be any Pastors Teachers of the Church of Christ who saith there is none such now as was then and we witness the Church of Christ the Piller and ground of truth to be the same now as ever was and the same Officers Pastors Ministers and Teachers of the Spirit as ever was and yours thou sayest is not the same therefore they are all false contrary to the Scriptures contrary to the Gospel therefore the curse is upon thee who sayest they are not the same now as was then we witness Christ the same yesterday to day and for ever and what hast thou to do to talk of establishing truth which sayes Officers are not the same now as was then then the truth is not the same nor the Gospel there thou shewest thy self to be a gainsayer and what hast thou to do to talk of qualifications who would make truth changeable truth changes not Obj. And as thou sayest you reason there is no believers in these latter ages because thou sayest they shall cast out devils and speak with new tongues Reply In thy generation there is not but they which believe now speak with new tongues and cast out devils that makes thee to vent forth thy blasphemy against them that doth and here thou shewest thy self to be an unbeliever let the Scriptures judg thee Object And thou sayest The Apostle requires a waiting upon an outward teaching and exhorting Reply Here thou wouldest judg the Apostles teaching which is immediate to be like thy self which are carnal and without who denies ●here is any such Officers Pastors and Teachers now as was then Here thou prov'st thy self to be a Witch who draws people into another thing as thou decla●●st in the 47. page of thy book in thy answer to the eighteenth Query Obj. And thou talk'st of waiting upon the office and living upon the Gospel a temporary and transitory Gospel and yet thou d●niest the same Officers and Teachers as was then Reply There thou art without in another temporary and transitory Gospel as thou call'st it Obj. And whereas thou sayest In these daies th●y shall heap up to themselves Teachers Rep. This is thy self O your selves who saith Teachers are not the same now as was then and here thou com'st under the Prophecy that Paul speaks to Timothy 1 Tim. 2.4 for thou confess●s they are not such as was then Object Whereas thou sayest Can any rational person conceive how preaching is like to be kept up Rep. The preaching of Christ is kept up without thy conceiving for it is not any rational person that keeps up preaching who lives in the conceivings And again thou clearest thy self from the Ministers of Christ who were made Ministers by the will of God and thou who deniest the same teachings to be now as was then art one amongst those Teachers that follows their own lusts phancies and fables and cannot indure sound Doctrine having itching ears turning to fables from the truth thou hast confessed there is no such Teachers now as was then therefore thou and thy company art another in your own w●lls out of the will of God distant from truth and to be them that Peter and the Apostle prophecied of which should come in the last time following your phancies senses and consequences which the eternal Spirit that gave forth the Scriptures ever judged and condemned such Object And whereas thou sayest Thou would'st have them first proved before approved and thou alledgest 1 Tim. 3.10 Rep. And thou deny'st that Office that was then that there is none such now and here thou art disapproved with the Scriptures for it disapproves thee 1 Tim. 3.10 and in the 47. page of thy book Object And in the third particular thou art justi●ying standing praying in the Sinagogues and thou bring'st Solomons examples who pray●● in the behalf of Israel Reply Here thou shewest thy self plainly to be a false Prophet indeed who puts no difference between Solomons praying and the Pharisees who stood praying in the Synagogues Object And whereas thou accusest us that we are against praying Reply Here thou dost lye thy praying we deny who puts no difference between the Heathen and the Saints but the Saints pravers we own and Solomons praying we own Object And thou sayest Your places cannot hardly be called as the Jews Sinagogues was for it was not erected for any spiritual use Rep. No more is yours for thou deniest immediate inspiration and they that did witness imm●diate inspiration was persecuted in the Jews Sinagogues the Saints which meet together in the eternal word denied all the Jews practises which met together in such a mans ●ouse Object Fourth particular and thou dost lye in saying we would have no meetings Rep. Because we do deny such Teachers as thou art and such practises as thou practiseth and such meetings who confesses that you are not the same Pastors and Teachers now as then so then your meetings are not the same but the Teachers as was then we own and the meetings as was then we own for truth changes not But here thou shewest that thou art changed from it who hath confessed that your Teachers is not the same Object F●fth particular thou sayest we are cavelling at places and strikes at persons Reply Thou may'st as well say Christ cavelled at persons do not speak Christs words who art thou

answer is Davids Conditions and Experien●e● are many times your own Reply And before thou denyes as hearing Gods voyce and how ca●st thou know Davids conditions who heard the voyce of God in the holy Temple and thou denyes hearing of Gods voyce but abundance of words thou hast heaped up together and wouldest make the Saints singing like thine who sung with the spirit and with understanding Obj. And again thou sayest God would have you in your meetings to rejoyce Reply Thou lyar How knowest thou the mind of God and never heardst his voyce who hist openly shewed thy self to be a Heathen who knows not God who knows nothing of the rejoycing and singing in spirit and what hast thou to do to talk of the Church of God which is the pillar and ground of truth who denyes the voyce of God and immediate inspiration which is both in the Church of God Obj. And as concerning putting on hats when you read and putting them off when you sing Then sayest you shall not much contest Reply Then you must confess it to be a tradition and that you worship the works of your own hands and yet thou goest about to justifie it who art mudled in thy confused generation who would have the hat put off when thou prayest with a part of the scripture and when thou readest part of the scripture to put thy hat on See if this be not thy own tradition Obj. And as for singing Davids Psalms in meeter thou sayest the Hebrews had their Poetry and it is sutable for every Nation to have their own Poet and particular Poetry to themselves to praise God and Meeter is congruous as thou sayest to our English Poetry Reply And this is all thy conjured stuff and likenesses who give● every Nation liberty who art in the Nations and stands up for thy own who hast cleared thy self from the spirit which the Saints sung withall in understanding who comes to be redeemed from Nations which yet thou art in and languages in the customes of the Nations which who sing prayses to God are redeemed from and so thou maintains thy own customs and traditions but the Church of God slander not for they deny your Customs and your Ordinances which God never commanded and there is no difference between your postures and the worlds nor your singing and the worlds but there is a difference between your singing and the Saints which knew God and heard his voyce and sung with the spirit but thou hast denyed the immediate inspiration of the spirit and so thou caust not sing with that spirit the Saints sung withall Quer. 13. Whether you do know the voyce of Christ from the voyce of a stranger My sheep know my voyce saith Christ seeing you are so forward to judge and sit as Judges of the Saints conditions Ans And thy answer is That which Christ preached and the Prophets and Apostles which is left upon record which you have in the Scriptures that is that voyce of Christ and with it you are able to distinguish from the voyce of a stranger Reply Here you shew your selves that you have the form but not the power for many come to speak the Prophets words and use their tongues and say he saith when saith the Lord I never spoke to them and this is your condition who hath the letter as the Jews had which knew not the voyce of Christ nor with the letter can you know his voyce and there you are Obj. And thou sayest this immediate voyce you have not heard neither do you know it within your selves experimentally neither do you wait for it for you know it is not the voyce of Christ Reply Here you have cleared your selves from the voyce of Christ and to be strangers which never heard the voyce of Christ which is immediate for you deny hearing this immediate voyce within and so denyes Christ to be within and shew your selves to be reprobates And you shew your selves to be in the state of the Jews which knew not the voyce of Christ which was immediate but judged it to be of the Devil as you do Obj. And this immediate voyce you bless your selves from and say It is the voyce of the Devil and say you have never heard the Devils voyce nor seen his shape and yet you plead for sin as long as you are here Reply And is not sin the shape of the Devil and you that plead for sin that is the voyce of the Devil in you and not the voyce of Christ for the voyce of Christ testifies against all sin and here you shew that you never heard the voyce of Christ which is immediate but only hath the letter as the devil hath to bring and the form and calls that the Voice of Christ and here you shew your selves to be natural men not knowing any thing of the immediate Voice of Christ but judgeth it of the devil Query 14. Whether that within you which judgeth be eternal and infallible yea or no Ans And thy answer is That that Spirit which we profess to be the Spirit of Christ is that Spirit of delusion which doth all things in us Rep. O thou deceiver who knows not the letter doth not the Scriptures say they were led by the Spirit and the fruits of the Spirit and the Comforter which was to come should lead them into all truth and they denied themselves with the Spirit for doing any thing and here thou hast cleared thy self from the Spirit of Christ and art in thy own Spirit of Errour Object Thou sayest though the Spirit of Christ which i● eternal and infallible dwell in the Saints yet it must not judg of persons and things after an infallible manner that they should neither say nor do nor judg any thing by any understanding of their own but this Spirit this we do deny for the Apostle speaks of himself When he would do good evil is present Rep. Here I charge thee in the presence of the Lord to be pleading for the Devil and self and denies the Spirit of Christ and shews thy self to be in the state of the Wolves which Christ speaks of which should come in sheeps cloathing who hath shewed forth thy fruit to be of the corrupt tree who hath cleared thy self from the spiritual man which judgeth all things Object And thou speakest of Antichrists denying the Father and the Son and false Teachers bringing in damnable heresies denying the Lord that bought them Rep. These words shall stand for thy self which thou accusest others withal for thou hast denied as hearing any immediate Voice from God from heaven or any immediate inspiration of the Spirit and here thou hast denied both the Father and the Son for his voice is immediate and he that hath the Son hath the Father also and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life He that hath an ear to hear let him hear and in thy answer to this Query thou shewest thy self to be

that thou car'st oppose him who said they was called of men Master have the chiefest places in the Assemblies stand praying in the Sinagogues and thus he shews to the multitude how they may be known and here thou art known and seen who would justifie that which Christ cried against in thy ambition and saith you have not cause to reject those things he cried woe against as to be called of men Master and have the chiefest places in the Assemblies those things spoke Jesus to the multitude and the multitude seeing his word as thou may'st read in Mat. 23. if you will own the Scriptures to be truth and thou bring'st Philip and the Goalor came to Paul and Silas and said Sirs and these words thou bring'st to oppose Christs words who said be ye not called of men Masters And here thou declar'st rhy self to be an open Antichrist who opposes Christ I charge thee in the presence of the Lord for Christ saith be not ye called of men Master for ye have one Master even Christ and all ye are Brethren and thou bring'st the Goalors words to oppose Christ Acts 16.30 Christs Doctrine denied to be called of men Master Object And thou sayest That in Mat. 23. those words will stand us in no steed which were Christs words Rep. Here thou dost say Christs words will stand us in no stead thou deniest his Doctrine and teacheth for Doctrine the Traditions of men and there thou shewest another Doctrine which is damnable and cursed Object And thou sayest The title of Mastery is a civil respect and importts a civil honour Rep. Here thou shewest the Master thou serves who denies the Doctrine of Christ and how canst thou believe which seeks honour of another Object And whereas thou sayest It is a meer slander to speak against them who have the chiefest places in the Assemblies and art called of men Master Rep. Here thou might'st as well call Christ a slanderer who spoke against all those things which thou seek'st to justifie in the sight of the world but in the sight of God is condemned and of all who are of God and by them thou art judged Object And whereas thou sayest The Apostle saith giving honour go one before another Rep. What hast thou to do to talk of the Apostle who denies the same teaching to be now as was then for the condition we own which must be honoured But thou hast declared thou never heard'st Gods voice nor waits for it and so declares thy self to be a Heathen that knows not God to whom he will render vengeance in flam●s of fire and that is not honoured of God nor none of his but we honour all men in the Lord. Obj. And whereof thou accusest us of destroying relation Reply All such relations as is contrary to Christ and his Doctrine we d●ny And who would take the ●itle from Christ to be called of men Master and layest thou wilt not reject it h●re thou shews forth thy presumption to be called of m●n Master let all people see if you own that Christ which the Scripture sp●aks of who forbad it Mat 23. Bu● you would take the title from him who art for destruction who shews that Christ never sent thee for if he had you would abide in his Doctrine which thou dost deny and who takes the Apos●l●s words to just●fie that to oppose Christs words who spoke to them that were in the state of servants and Masters Earth makes Masters but the time will come as with the Master so with the servant he that can receive it let him as Philemon Paul's doctrine to him who can receive it may Quer. 19. Whether a man shall ●v●r grow up that he need no man teach him under your Ministery yea or no seeing the Apostle saith You need no man teach you and you which have been long teachers how many have you brought up in this condition Ans And in thy answer to this Query thou sayest Such opposition as excludes all humane helps you do confess That no man is ever like to grow up so high Reply Here thou art not so far as some of thy fellows for they deny humane helps though they be in the same nature that t●ou art in and he that grows up in perfection grows out of ignorance and humane helps the Ap●stles said they knew all things but this thou hast denyed and calls it an hyperbolyc●l expression Obj. And thou sayest they may grow in a sence under teaching of Ministers among you to know all the truths of the Gospel and yet thou denyes immediate inspiration and the same teaching ●ow as was then and yet thou sayest in a comparative sence they may not need teachers Reply This is thy sence who hast denied the Doctrine of C●●●●nd thy confused stuff which comes out of thy bottle and Peters Ex●ortation and Pauls thou hast chared thy self from for thou sayest the same t●●chings are not now ●s w●re 〈◊〉 and th● Church of Christ we d●●●●itness to be he p●liar and ground 〈◊〉 truth which you ha●e c●ared your selves from and ●●om the Teachers Past●●s and Elders of it who s●i●● there is none such now as were th●● wh● would mak● truth changeable and 〈◊〉 thou art a 〈◊〉 in thy own g●n●ra●ion who knows not God manifested in flesh just●fi●d inspirit seen of Angels preached unto the Gentiles believed on in the world Obj. And you say you have answered our questions agreeable to the Scriptures Reply There is another lye let the reader read them and prove whether thou hast not spoken contrary to the Scriptures and all thy consequences and sences are contradicted with us and den●●d and trampled upon with all knowing Christians who are in Christ and thou art he whose desire is to destroy the Scriptures who would subvert the faith of the Gosp●l who leads people captive after thy own delusions who hast denied Pastors teachers and Officers now as in the time of the Aposti●s and here you have cleared your selves to be no Pastors no E●●●rs no Offic●rs but a likeness or an imag● which Go● forb●ds for thou sayest there is not any suc● Officers P●stor and teachers as was then then you are 〈◊〉 ●alse and to b● denyed who are contrary to the Scriptures for with it you are proved and with the life judged and your prayers we d●ny for God hath opened our eyes by which 〈…〉 you del●●ed poor creatures who are thus sold under d●●usion as thou 〈…〉 and Gods E●ection thou knows noth●ng of but are s●a●●d and ●●p 〈◊〉 by the Devil who art led captive for the present after his will this all who are in the Eternal light there will thee see ANd Eaton thou saith these things thou hast pres●nted for this end and purpose to obstruct their way and stop their further proceedings that their imposture might prevail no longer Here thou hast digged a pit and art fallen into it and laid a snare and art taken I take all the children of light