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A67575	Vindiciæ academiarum containing some briefe animadversions upon Mr Websters book stiled, The examination of academies : together with an appendix concerning what M. Hobbs and M. Dell have published on this argument.	Ward, Seth, 1617-1689.; Wilkins, John, 1614-1672.	1654 (1654)	Wing W832; ESTC R12478	51,215	68

in their Exercises it be tried what they can doe that nature having given them two hands they may learne to worke c. The reasons of this may be many I shall name only two First because he hath been used to weed the Garden and to other labour in his Covent then why should not we Secondly because if his reformation shall take place we must be put shortly to work for our livings therefore t is good before hand for each man to be provided of a Trade 5. That Exercises may be in English His reason is least we forget the English Tongue which would be very sad if it should fall out Mine is that M. Webster and others of his measure be not deprived of the benefit of them 6. That neither Antiquity nor Novelty take place of Verity nor the Authority of Aristotle or any other should enchaine us What againe at Aristotle nay verily now he is to blame This remedy had been a pure one if he could have let Aristotle alone the fetching him in here I feare may give occasion to some to think he does it out of spight 7. Lastly the order he prescribes is this that they be taught 1. Mathematicks 2. Tongues 3. Physicks 4. Logick 5. Metaphysicks c. Not that all men should be bound to the same Method as is above expressed beside M. Webster studied all these together which hath made him so equally skilled in all that there is not any thing to chuse betwixt his skill in every one of them no man being able to speake whether he be a greater Mathematician a Linguist or a Philosopher And now Sir you judge that I have faithfully performed what I undertook at the opening of his Remedies I having stuck to him as close as needed to be and to speake truth as close as his sent would suffer mee Sir I have ran through this Pamphlet and I think I have in some measure made good the character you gave me of him in your Epistle you know Sir I am not of those who hate to be reformed it hath been my earnest desire that men of Parts and Experience would meet together and consult about the Advancement of study by the most convenient method That would produce something worthy of our age of light the raw and crude attempts of such men as these are slight and very Ridiculous no waies considerable unlesse it shall be in their excitations of us to reforme such Errours as we find to assert and vindicate the honour of these places A thing which would speedily and plentifully be performed if our designe of Printing Bookes and setting up a forreigne correspondency were once accomplished There is one thing which this sort of Pamphleteers insist on which as it is pursued by my L. Verulam so it carries weight with it but is very impertinently applied either as an exception against us or as a generall rule to be imposed upon us in our Academicall institution It is that instead of verball Exercises we should set upon experiments and observations that we should lay aside our Disputations Declamations and Publick Lectures and betake our selves to Agriculture Mechanicks Chymistry and the like It cannot be denied but this is the way and the only way to perfect Naturall Philosophy and Medicine so that whosoever intend to professe the one or the other are to take that course and I have not neglected occasionally to tell the World that this way is pursued amongst us But our Academies are of a more generall and comprehensive institution and as there is a provision here made that whosoever will be excellent in any kind in any Art Science or Language may here receive assistance and be led by the hand till he come to be excellent so is there a provision likewise that men be not forced into particular waies but may receive an institution variously answerable to their genius and designe Of those very great numbers of youth which come to our Universities how few are there whose designe is to be absolute in Naturall Philosophy Which of the Nobility or Gentry desire when they send their Sonnes hither that they should be set to Chymistry or Agriculture or Mechanicks Their removall is from hence commonly in two or three years to the Innes of Court and the desire of their friends is not that they be engaged in those experimentall things but that their reason and fancy and carriage be improved by lighter Institutions and Exercises that they may become Rationall and Gracefull speakers and be of an acceptable behaviour in their Countries I am perswaded that of all those who come hither for Institution there is not one of many hundreds who if they may have their option will give themselves to be accomplished Naturall Philosophers such as will ought certainly to follow this course the paines is great the reward but slender unlesse we reckon in the pleasure of contemplation that indeed is great and high but therefore to draw all men that way by reason of the pleasure were to present a Feast all of Custard or Tart and not to consult the variety of Tasts and tempers of our Guests But I have been too much and long extravagant and idle if out of all this you shall be pleased to raise a Contemplation of your power over mee and shall from thence receive a complacence it is the only aime and interest of SIR Your Most c. H. D. An Appendix Concerning what Mr Hobbs and Mr Dell have written touching the Universities SIR when I consider how I have spent that little time which I have hitherto bestowed upon Mr Websters Examen and into what a temper of mind I have fallen upon that occasion the satisfaction I receive from what I have done is so small that were I not held on by the power you have over mee in truth I would excuse my selfe from any farther trouble Now it seemes I must goe on and being tired with idle play I must addresse my selfe for a much more considerable encounter You know Sir and have observed in your Letter to mee how vast a difference there is betwixt the Learning and Reputation of Mr Hobbs and these two Gentlemen and how scornefully he will take it to be ranked with a Friar and an Enthusiast The Answer to this if he complaine will be we found him inter Grues and could not without prejudice let him escape However I shall deale with him as respectfully as I can giving him leave to heare himselfe speake at large a thing he is infinitely taken with and making such replies as Truth and Reason shall suggest in our concernements I intend only to consider what he hath spoken of the Universities in his Leviathan or rather what I have therein observed to that purpose laying together such passages as may make him to be understood That men may be able fully to comprehend the meaning of this Author we must carefully by way of preparation search for his 1. End and Designe 2.

Discourse runs upon these heads 1. Logick is a meere verball contest 2. It is ill applyed for the finding forth of verity Induction being laid aside and Syllogisme taken up 3. It teaches no certane rules of Abstracting notions Fitting words to notion 4. It is made a part of Physicks intricated with thorny questions c. 5. Aristotles Logick is defective c. as followes in Gassend locis ut supra 6. There are errours in the parts viz. 1. In Definition 2. In Division 3. In Argumentation by Syllogisme 1. Their conclusion not necessarily compels assent 2. Syllogizing doth not teach that which we are ignorant of before 3. Syllogisticall conclusions beget but bare opination 7. Lullyes Art an Alphabeticall way for Syllogizing better then the other deserving wonderous great praise yet leaves the mind vast and unsatisfied So great is the difference betwixt putation and true knowledge If the man had intended to speak to our Capacityes he should have first examined what Logick is usually taught in Universities disputed against it now he hath roved at all and some interchangeably accordingly as the fortune of his Collectors hath enabled him speaking first against the Boyes for hissing then against Syllogisme then against Definition then against Aristotle then against Definition c. And after that against Aristotle and Syllogizing you see Sir the generosity of this man he will not make use of Logick against it selfe and you will think me ridiculous in answering to his Allegation the University being wholy inconcerned but I le be exceeding briefe 1. A Systeme of rules directing us to the knowledge of the truth begets no intestine warre no humming hissing nor obfuscation 2. The use of Induction is taught in the University as well as the use of Syllogisme Logick is universally subservient to the enquiry of all truths Induction is ridiculously applyed to Mathematicall truths and Syllogisme is to be applyed to Physicks it was a misfortune to the world that my Lord Bacon was not skilled in Mathematicks which made him jealous of their Assistance in naturall Enquiries when the operations of nature shall be followed up to their Staticall and Mechanicall causes the use of Induction will cease and Sylogisme succeed in the place of it in the interim we are to desire that men have patience not to lay aside Induction before they have reason 3. Logick doth teach certaine rules of Abstracting notions viz by examining the Agreements and disagreements which they call the Genus and Difference of things and if our notions of things have been rashly abstracted the fault hath been either in the obscurity of nature or in the dullnesse or impatience of Phylosophers not in the Logick of the Academies The notions of things being rightly abstracted they are rightly assigned to words by Definition 4. The questions concerning the entity of Logicall notions and other Physicall and Metaphysicall things are not to my Knowledge mingled with the tradition of Logick otherwise then to afford examples to the Rules of it so that this complaint may concerne others but not our Universities 5. Aristotles Organon is not read to the youth of this University how justly I contend not neither was it ever understood or ever will be by M. Webster then why should we fall out about it 6. 1. It is a prodigious Ignorance in Helmont from whom M. Webster without regard to common honesty hath taken what ensues to think there are no other or scarce any differences known beside Rationall and Irrationall This is frequently met withall in the vulgar Systems of Logick as an example and he thought no more was knowne without regard to all demonstrative Mathematicall knowledge but he could not speake of things he understood not why then should the blind lead the blind 2. Something he would have spoken against Division but he had it not about him so we can only thanke him for his good intentions in that particular 3. His Exceptions against Syllogizing I meane his new supply out of Helmont are these 1. Their Conclusions doe not necessarily compell Assent viz. M. Webster is one who can grant the premises in a true Syllogisme and yet deny the conclusion I Answere this is by a speciall gift 2 His Second exception I say that the eduction of a third Proposition or truth from two that were known before is a teaching of what we knew not otherwise no man living need to study for any Demonstrative Knowledge t is possible M. Webster may know that totum est majus sua parte and the other Axioms in Euclid yet I dare say he understands not that in a Rectangled Triangle the square of the Hypothenuse is equall to the conjoyned squares of the other sides much lesse any of the Propositions concerning the Regular Bodies or Conic Sections 3. And whereas he saies that Syllogisticall conclusions beget but bare opination we ought to pardon him Helmont told him so and he knew not that there was such a thing as Syllogismus Demonstrativus and what would you have of a Cat c. 7. But though he have despised these waies he will give an excellent account of the Art of Lully and indeed his description argues him a man of profound search into the things he deales with it is he saith An Alphabeticall way for Syllogizing a description sunke many fathoms beyond the profundity of truth or sence and if there be any sence assigneable to this description it will amount to such a Definition of Geometry as this It is an Art of Knowing something by the helpe of Letters Syllables Words and Figures a matter of grievous skil and judgement to discover Sir I need not own my conversation in that Art of Lully yet I meet with few that have considered much more of it then my selfe and this I undertake to be accountable for to M. Webster that neither that nor Logick are unusefull yet that Logick conduces more to the invention and search and strict examination of Truth and that other more to the invention of Arguments for discourse the one more appropriate to Logicall as 't is called the other to Rhetoricall or Poeticall invention the one is a very good way for beginners the other extreamely usefull to men that have already attained to the knowledge of things to fetch the notions of things with ease and celerity in their view and fit men for secure and ready speaking I have now done with his Chapter of Logick and come to that concerning Mathematicks CAP. V. Of the Mathematicall Sciences THE Mathematicks are extreamely beholding to him for his Favours but sure without any speciall desert from him He hath heard of their perspicuity veritude and certitude and complaines they are so slightly handled without any solid practice or true Demonstrations You know Sr how much this makes towards a bribeing of mee My clamour is against the neglect of Mathematics in our method of study you would think I cannot chuse but receive a cōplacency from his