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A15697 The fore-runner of Bels dovvnefall wherin, is breifely answered his braggnig [sic] offer of disputation, and insolent late challenge: the particularties [sic] of the confutation of his bookes, shortly by goddes grace to be published, are mentioned: with à breife answere, to his crakinge and calumnious confutinge of papistes by papistes them selues: and lastly à taste. Giuen of his rare pretended sinceritye, with som few examples. Woodward, Philip, ca. 1557-1610.; Parsons, Robert, 1546-1610, attributed name. 1605 (1605) STC 25972.5; ESTC S114156 24,220 62

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made him set a broach this shameles vntruth for otherwise he would neuer haue smothered the wordes followinge the witnesses of his false doctrine nor euer haue giuen a false glose and translation to those which he doth cite The truth is this Martin the fifth dispensed not with one to marry his owne naturall and full sister of the same father and the same mother as Belle ambleth in amplification and troteth alyinge pace with out all moderation but only to continue still with hir with whome he had married and with whom he had consummat matrimony notwithstandinge he had before his mariage committed fornication with hir naturall sister So that S. Anthonius speaketh not any one worde of the mans owne naturall sister but of his wife and hir naturall sister For proofe and perspicuitiee of this point let vs alleadge the Docters whole sentence It is founde saith he that Pope Martin the fifth did dispense with à certaine man who had contracted and consummated matrimony with a certaine naturall ssster of hir with whom he had comitted fornication yet with great difficulty and because the matter was secret and the man not fit for Religion or to remoue into any other contrie and so scandal would haue followed of the diuorce if it had beene made Let any that is desierous of truth by this one place take a scantlinge of Bells holie sinceritie Because he found S. Antonius to speake of a dispensation granted to one after he had married and consummate matrimony with hir whose sister before his marriage he had knowen carnallie and so a dispensation only in affinitie contracted by vnlawfull copulation for which the Minister had he bin consulted would rather haue laughed at him for his simple scrupulositie then thought it needfull to sue for any such fauour or grace which did nothinge fitt his purpose and therfore meaninge to make it in spight of all honestie to serue his turne he hath firste corrupted the sentence by false translation sainge with his natural sister in steede of these wordes with hir naturall sister or the naturall sister of hir and although euery one can not espie his cunninge conuayance because he suppressed the other parte of the sentente followinge yet is it apparant ynoughe to any Gramarian for were the latin as he turneth it then should it not be cum quadam eius germana but cum quadam sua germana But not only such as knowe latin but euen those also that haue any skill in pewter might haue espied the grosse vntruth had he cited the whole sentence as it is in Antonius before alloadged and therefore to healpe out a lye he ventured vpon corruption and chopt away all those wordes which might haue marred the market of this Geneua marchant For had one married his owne naturall sister as Bell not so confidently as impudently affirmeth then should it not haue bin truly said that he had committed fornication but incest a sinne distinct in nature and far more odious in the sight of god nether could the matter haue bin secret as Antonius saith it was nor yet the seperation scandalous but rather offensiue to haue suffered them to continue together in filthie pretensed matrimony To conclude therfore he had not dispensation in respect of his owne naturall sister but to remaine still in matrimony with that woman whose naturall sister he had before mariage carnally knowen Hauinge tolde so notorious a lie and holpen it out with foule falsification he could not containe him selfe but crie out in the seale of his soule Behoulde here gentle reader the excellencie of holie Poperie and if thou desierest more of such melodie thou mayest finde it in my booke of Mottues But may not I with far more reason desier him to note the basenes of his ministerial iniquitie that after such à shamefull prancke of lyinge and falsification setteth such a braue face on the matter as though he were innocent and no way to be touched And as for the melodie he speaketh of to giue him his iust deserts I cannot deny but that not only his Motiues but also his other bookes be full of such harmonie lyinge and corruption being the ordinary musick which this fidling minister scrapeth to those that daunce after his pipe And wheras he calleth this a sufficient antipast for all english Iesuites and Iesuited popelinges such is the modestie of this refined ropelinge we willinglie graunt it to be verie sufficient for all Catholikes and his deuoted dependants for vs to take him for a whetstoue docter and pollinge preacher for them to discarde him as being the shame disgrace and confusion of the new gospell and a corrupt member of their congregation II. PAg. 50. S. Austen quoth he proueth at lardge in sundrie places of his workes that voluntarie motions of concupiscence are sinne indeede and trulie so called In his first booke of Retractations he hath these wordes That which in infantes is called originall sinne when as yet they vse not free arbitrement of wil is not absurdly called voluntarie because beings contracted of the euil wil of the firste man it is become in sorte hereditarie It is not therefore false which I said sinne is an euil so voluntarie that it is no way sinne if it be not voluntary Whether Bell fathereth not a notable vntruth vpon S. Austen when he citeth these wordes of his to proue that voluntarie motions of concupiscence be sinne indeede and truly so called I reporte me to the wordes by him alleadged for no such thinge is in them to be found nay either my braines are not in good tune or els S. Austen proueth the cleane contrarie It is a constant doctrine with that holie father that sinne is voluntarie otherwise no sinne and for as much as some dout might be made of originall sinne because it seemeth wholy inuoluntarie he affirmeth also that sinne to be voluntarie and so concludeth generally all sinne to be so Marry a man of the ministers learninge may quicklie ouerthrowe vs with our owne Doctors if by that rare skill which he hath in lyinge when they say one thinge he can without all blushinge maintayne them to say the contrarie Let the reader peruse the sentence and speake his minde freelie III. PAg. 69. Disputinge againste the condigne meritts of workes he citeth this sentence of a Catholicke writer Iosephus Angles Eodem etiam modo c. As other holie Doctors also consideringe after the same maner the natural valew only of good woorkes and perceiuinge that it is exceedinge far distant from the valew and iust estimation of eternal life said wisely That our workes are not meritorious nor worthie of eternall life yet for the couenant and promise made vnto vs the good workes of man with the helpe of grace are worthy of eternal life and equall with it which for all that that promise of god which is frequent in scripture set aside were altogether vnworthie of so great a rewarde In theese wordes
THE Fore-runner of Bels Dovvnefall Wherin is breisely answered his braggnig offer of disputation and insolent late challenge the particularties of the confutation of his bookes shortly by goddes grace to be published are mentioned with à breife answere to his crakinge and calumnious confutinge of Papistes by Papistes them selues and lastly à taste Giuen of his rare pretended sinceritye with som few examples Ierem. 51. v. 44. I wil visit Bel vpon Babilon and cast forth of his mouth that which he hath swallowed vp and the gentils shal no more flocke vnto him and that because the wall of Babilon shall fall downe ANNO M. D C. V. THE FORE-RVNNER OF BELS DOVVNEFAL The vaine and foolishe title of his booke with a note of a quadruple deuise which he vseth to winne him self credit and to endomage the Catholike cause CHAP. I. THERE came lately to my handes a certaine booke presented the last Easter tea●me to the viewe of the worlde by one Thomas Bell long since à Minister after that a Preist and for some yeares past and at this present Sicut erat in principio as it was in the begininge a Minister againe in which state he meaneth constantly to continue vntil the Lord by new reuelation shal otherwise dispose of his person The title of his booke looketh bigge as though it had eaten buls-beife and accordinge to the comon sayinge as the Deuile lockt ouer Lincolne and is readie to quarrel with any Papist whatsoeuer this it is The Downefal of Poperie proposed by way of a new challenge to al Englishe Iesuites and Iesuited or Italianized Papistes daringe them al ioyntlie and euery one of them seuerally to make answere thereunto if they can or haue any truth on their side knowinge for truth that otherwise al the worlde wil crye with open mouthes Fye vpon them and their patched hotch-potch religion This name of his booke by al probabilitie was giuen by the godfather when he was in the ruffe of his roperye and came hastely into the kitchin from some homely place where a bad sent had intertained his smellinge instrumēt daungerous in these times of infection for an emptie stomake and not findinge there any meate meete for his ministerships mouth but only an odd hotch-potch fel into some cholerike pange in which distemperature returninge to his studye the title was begotten for otherwise why him self being à patched minister created of two recantations should cal our religion à patched hotch-potch I cannot see nor I thynke him self hauing yet the eies of two ministres and one Preist Our church hath not stoode simperinge in a close pot or poore pipkin no man can tel where for I know not for how many hundred yeares together as their cōgregation hath which though falsely pretended is the best cloake they can finde to couer the shame oft hir naked continuance but hath alwayes borne saile in the sight of the worlde maugre the malice of the deuile and al the tempestes of persecution that the furies of hell could raise Neither is our religion patched together of many mamockes of olde stinkinge heretical assertions as their faith is where denienge of prayers for the dead and the appointed fastes of the Church borowed from Aerius scorninge of reliques scoffinge at inuocations of Saintes reiectinge voluntary pouertie and allowance of Preistes taken from Vigilantius raylinge at the holy Crosse and sacred Images receiued from Iulian the Apostata and miscreant Mahumetanes and diuers other such like fragments scraped together be in their congregatione entertained for heauenlye articles and so whether it may not truly be tearmed à patched hotch-poch religion and godles galimamphorye of a new gospel I leaue to indifferent iudgment Diuers other bookes in former times hath he also diuulged for he had rather be ill occupied then idle each of them one so like another that any man may easely knowe them to be puppies of one litter sundrie puddles stewinge from one sincke In al which the principal scope he outwardly aymeth at is the ouerthrowe of Poperie as he speaketh and the aduancement of the truth but whether any Pharaisaicall makinge broade his phylacteries and enlarging his fringes the loue of the first places at suppers and the first chayres in the Sinagoges and salutations in the market place and to be called of men Rabbi hath also his share and diuide stakes that is councel to any and a mysterie so secretlye carried that it is without the compasse of al humane diuination for the happie effecting of these his designements and to procure credit with his readers for I thinke he hath litle with his hearers like an olde soldiear and beaten Captaine he vseth many stratagems but especially fower The first is to prouoke to challenge to dare al learned men to the combat for would any man in his wittes make such an offer were he not moste assured of victory and to triumphe ouer the Romans that haue so often triumphed ouer others The second is with great sorrowe of sowle to lament that he can get no answere to his bookes and vtterly to dispaire euer to see any such thinge effectually attempted an euident demonstration that they be of rare erudition and truth in his side The third is an inuection if we liste to beleue him of his owne as Thraso said in Terence and that is to ouerthrowe papistry by papistry it self and to ruine our saith by the principal professors and patrons of our religion Mary god blesse vs from this Bell for neuer was there such à peale runge in our dayes or in the dayes of our forefathers The fourth and laste is his saint-like protestation of sincerity vpright dealinge and hādlinge al thinges accordinge to equitie and conscience These be the mayne bulwarkes of his bookes framed by this excellēt engenite both to defend them selues and to batter vs Al which not withstandinge are nothinge els but skearcrowes painted paper walles seeme they neuer so terrible to simple soules Spiders webbes are strong ynoughe to make bootye of flyes and gnattes weake nettes to catch swalowes and greater birdes And I wil not deny that he might with some pretie credit haue tampered amonge litle ones who are soone scandalized but when wich phantastical conceit he supposeth that he can contriue the ruine of gods Church or confounde al learned Catholikes whatsoeuer Sutor vltra crepidam the Cobler is beyond his shoe and he doth walke as the Prophet saith in great and wonderful thinges aboue him self His malice is great but his power nothing corespondent He is a curst cowe but with short hornes wherfore let him striue againste Catholike veritie struggle with God and Church war against heauen repentance god graunt that not fruitles wil be the end of his labours and perpetual disgrace without diuine amendinge grace the iust rewarde of his vvorkes If any ouerswaied with a false weeninge thinke otherwise let him haue a litle patience voutsafe the reading 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although nothinge be contained hurtfull to Catholike doctrine Yet Bell by his Achymistical arte of chaunginge truth in to falsehoode can gather out matter sufficient against vs. But before I passe any farther I muste note one thinge breiflie and that is whereas Ioseph is dedicatinge his bookes to the Pope speaketh of kissinge his holines feete this minister not only out of all season mencioneth it in this place but is at it againe and againe as some wise folke there be which if they get a worde by the end will hardlie let it goe but like a bell still iangle the same tune Doth not him selfe confesse that Iustinian the Emperour nine hundred yeeres agoe kissed the Pope Constantiue feete and is it not well knowen that Alexander the great fell downe at the feete of laddas high Preiste of the Iewes and S. Austen reporteth how the people in his time did the like before the feete of bishopps all which considered to omitt what adoration is giuen to temporall princes I maruell that it should seeme so straung a thinge to one of Bells readinge and learninge that a religious bishop should submit him selfe to kisse the Popes feete Ynoughe of this Let vs now see what he gathereth out of Iosephus wordes against vs. In the margent of his booke this wholesome note is painted Loe this Frier graunteth that all the holie fathers are against the Papistes It should haue bene long ynoughe before a man of ordinarie capacitie could euer haue obserued any such point in Iosephus discourse But take heede whilst yee liue when such a turn-coate as he is cometh to tosse and turne ouer a sentence for he can not only inferr that which is true but with as great facilitie gather that also which is false Be it knowen to him that he belieth Iosephus for no such thinge as he noteth can be wroung racked or coniured out of his wordes Let them be viewed and pondered by the discreete reader and I leaue it to his iudgment whether he graunteth any such thinge or no. The fathers saith Bell out of the testimonie of Iosephus confesse that good workes accordinge to their naturall valew be not meritorious of eternall life What is this against vs Doe not all Catholikes graunt as much when they acknowledge that they receiue all their efficacie of workinge from gods grace which doctrine of ours he may learne out of the councell of Trent where it is handled at lardge False therfore it is that ether the fathers be against vs or that Angles granteth any such thinge IIII. PAg. 115. Our petye Pygmie will needes be wrastlinge with Hercules club that is Bell bicker with Bellarmine impar congressus Achilli The poore man might doe far better and vviser to keepe his teeth to be agents for his bellie vvhich he loueth vvell then to endanger them vpon so roughe a file And vvhat a gods name is his quarell againste that learned prelate Marry quoth he These are his expresse wordes But in the new Testament because Christ had fulfilled the figures and the prophecies althoug he many doe not vnder stād the sentences of the scriptures yet doe they vnderstand the mysteries of our redemption euen the common countrie fellowes and the verie women Thus writeth our Iesuit affirming that euen women and the verie rustickes of the countrie doe vnderstand the scriptures so far forth as pertaineth to the misteries of their redemption Yf the minister doe no better keepe his handes from pickinge and stealinge then he doth his tounge from euill speakinge lyinge and slaundringe to vse the phrase of their cathechisme he might far more justly be called in question for the vnlavvfull vse of his fingers then he did the seruinge man at Thirske about suspition of Seminary affaires For I giue him to vnderstand though no great nevves that he belieth Bellarmin He saith not that vvoemen and rustickes doe vnderstand the scriptures so far forth as pertaineth to the misteries of their redemption Nay he saith the contrarie in the vvordes by him alleadged Although many quoth he vnderstand not the sentences of the scriptures In vvhich number I thinke rustickes and vvomen must be contayned Yf then they vnderstand not the sentences of the scriptures as Bellarmin affirmeth hovv doe they vnderstand the scriptures so far forth as pertaineth to the misteries of their redemption Was there euer knovven a more gallant gospeller that dareth thus to practise his godles occupation though all the tovvne looke on Yea but Bellarmin saith that contrie fellovves and vvomen vnderstand the misteries of our redemption vvhat then is there no meanes to attaine that knovvledg but but by readinge and vnderstandinge of the scriptures yf so vvoe be to them that can not reade at all no smale part of the christian vvorld vvho knovveth not that ignorant people learne better the misteries of their redemption by the instruction of their Pastors dilligence of parents and helpe of good cathechismes then by fishinge for it by their ovvne labour out of the profound sea of sacred scripture vvhere they may sooner for lack of skill be drovvned in the depth of errors then by them selues finde out the liuely vvaters of true doctrine vvould to god to much experience in these vnrulie times taught vs not this to be too true a lesson The lamentable storie of Hacket that quintissentiall Puritan and a great bible beater may vvarne all to be wise vnto sobrietie as S. Paul vvisheth and also vvhat ruine of soules and daunger to common vveales doth arise by generally sufferinge yea and animatinge all sortes of people tag and rag to learne the misteries of their redemption out of the scripture and to examin the doctrin forsooth of Fathers councells by that rule touchstone as Iohn Caluin prescribeth V. PAg. 130. Many Papistes quoth he are so blinded and besotted with vnsauorie traditions and superstitious illusions that they deeme it a greater sinne to eate fleash in Lent then to commit adulterie murder or periurie Seinge moste certaine it is that these fowle sinnes of adulterie murder and periurie be forbidden by the law of god no necessitie occurringe or circumstance what soeuer giueinge any leaue to commit any one of these sinnes and that the fast of Lent ordained only by a positiue law of the Apostles from which many for age sicknes and other causes may be iustly excused and this so well knowen that no dout can be made thereof what a creature is Bell that vttereth so notable an vntruth bringinge not so much as any colourable ground to support it but his bare word and the emptie blast of his owne mouth Should I tell him that certaine reformed Protestants otherwise called willet vnder the letters of E. O. gaue him but a litle item by the way notinge a certaine palpable contradiction in his Surueye to wit that he saith in one place that the bishops of Rome vntil the dayes of S. Austen and long after were very godlie men and taught the