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A86489 The skirts of the whore discovered, and the mingled people in the midst of her. In a letter sent by Denys Hollister to the independent baptiz'd people, who call themselves a Church of Christ in Bristol, but are found to be a synagogue of Satan, in answer to a charge brought to him from them by some of their members, and by him ... published. Together with another letter written by him to Thomas Ewens, a teacher among them, ... referring to his speaking among his people of having Sarah Latchet a servant of Jesus, once a member among the Baptists, sent to Bridewell, and whipt for testifying to them in the name of the Lord in their meeting the second day of the ninth moneth. 1655. And likewise an answer to 16 antiqueries directed to the people called Quakers, which answer was sent to Thomas Ewens, from whom the antiqueries were received, though Iohn Pendarviss a long time after published the antiqueries by the name of Queries, without the answer to them, or taking the least notice of it in a book entituled Arrows against Babylon which hath occasiond the presenting of the one, and the other, now to the view of those who read, and understand, to judge of the whole, and of their unfaire and deceitfull dealing. Hollister, Dennis, d. 1676? 1656 (1656) Wing H2508; Thomason E896_3; ESTC R202571 35,627 37

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in some measure made freely willing to sell all yea the repute and esteem I had with you and others called Churches that I might possess it and that I have found him whom my soul loveth even him of whom Moses and the Prophets did write and the Apostles and living Saints did and doth witness even Jesus which saves his people from their sins and redeems them from all iniquity who is the light of the World and the life of men the living Way the Resurrection and the Life the faithful and true Witness the First and the Last the Beginning and the End who was dead and is alive and lives for evermore Whom you with me were long seeking among the dead but could not finde because he was not there but was risen and is gone before his people whom he leads with a strong hand from under Pharaoh and all his host his Magicians and wise men the King of Babylon and all his Counsellors to give them freedom and rest in the promised Land to the terror and astonishment of the World and the disquietment of the Inhabitants of Babylon where they shall feed as in days of old and the Lord delight to dwell amongst them and multiply them and set his Sanctuary in the midst of them for evermore Are the pillars and foundation of your building so feeble that a Letter from the hand of a friend that dearly loves you and is become as your enemy onely for telling you the truth and imbracing it makes it tremble and shake so that you durst not suffer it to be read amongst you lest it fall Hath fear indeed surprized the Hypocrite Doth the wicked know that he cannot stand in Judgement but must be destroyed by the brightness and glory of Christs appearing and coming Have ye not read in the Scripture That they that trust in the Lord shall be as mount Sion that cannot be shaken and that the house built upon the rock stands notwithstanding the wind rain and floods beat and dash against it Yea that all the gates and powers of hell cannot prevail against it and that they that serve God acceptably receive a Kingdom that cannot be shaken and that all that may be shaken must be removed Why then are ye afraid Do ye not hereby declare and manifest that ye are children in whom is no faith and that the light of God in your consciences hath manifested to you that your building is on the sands not on the rock and that your foundations is not eternal but in the imaginations onely though to it you attend not And is not he your friend that warns you of it in time and bids you attend to wisdom which cries and utters her voice in your streets and saith Turn ye at my reproof and I will pour out my spirit upon you But why must not my defence be heard if it contains onely truth must it therefore be shut out from among you and not suffered to have an hearing in your Assembly least thereby deceit and Hypocrisie be discovered and the man within you is so strongly armed lose his Palace if it contain other then truth why had you not made it manifest that I might repent since you pretend your love is so great that pou cannot cease praying for my return back to you though I have often denyed those Prayers Isa 1.15 When you make many Prayers I will not hear Are ye not many and I but one and such an one whom you may easily encounter if truth and power were on your side Did not your messengers tell me they saw nothing in it for which it might not be read in your meeting that I had but created more labor and trouble for my self because an answer to it I might be sure to receive To which I replyed An answer to it I would willingly receive from them to whom it was sent and advised that they took care it were to some purpose and not a parcel of weakness and confusion to which end you might call to your assistance the men of your Confederacy the Tabernacles of Edom the Ishmaelites Moab and the Hagarenes c. and instanced some lately invited and entertained by you who opened their mouthes in Blasphemy against God his Tabernacle and them that dwell therein And this I did the rather because I have seen put sorth by Priests and People such parcels of falshood and confusion yet it s like the best they had that is was no ways worth perusing or answering Why had not your messengers delivered it into mine own hands from which it was received that their promise might not be broken or signified some reason or other why it was so returned and why could they not stand to receive a sober and true answer from my mouth when they came the second time with your false and feigned accusations had shame and confusion covered their faces or was there so much guilt in their consciences that they durst not appear to deliver the one least some reason should be demanded of its return and they confounded the refore shufled it into the hand of a servant without so much as asking me in 3 moneths time whether I had it or not that they might be clear of their promise or to receive a short answer to the other least thereby their guilty consciences should so far condemn them that they be forced to acknowledge the truth both of mine innocency and their own and your hypocrisie and wickedness Is fear the pit and the snare fallen upon thee Oh thou inhabitant of the earth hath the Lord who tryeth the righteous rained upon thee snares as the portion of thy cup that thou become every way ensnared in the work of thine own hands Oh! that your eyes were opened by him that is given for a Covenant that you might see it and repent and seek after the living God whose wisdom and strentgh is against you to cut you down except you return How can you say you are wise and the law of the Lord is with you what Judgement is there in your goings do not the righteousness of the Scribes and Pharisees far exceed yours Read consider and be not deceived for the day of Visitation is come and the Lord waits to be gracious and wisdom cries in your streets though ye regard it not but set at naught her counsels and refuse her reproofs and the redeemer is come to Sion and to all that turn from ungodliness in Iacob the voice of the turtle and singing of birds is heard and witnessed in our land and the cry at mid-night is made Behold the Bridgroom cometh and many are gone forth to meet and have met him And therefore awake awake ye sleepy Virgins arise ye women that are at ease hearken and hear ye careless daughters whose vintage hath long failed and whose gathering doth not come who art wearied in thy way yet sayest not there is no hope who hast wickedly abused thy self to obtain that which
of whoredomes acted therein All which with much more not being believed nor received but entertained with offence and prejudice What could I doe but shake off the dust of my feet and stand as a Witness against your deceit and so betake my self into the Wilderness as before I had said in which the Lord speaks comfortably And give me leave without offence to tel you that in all this I understood and knew what I spake Yea when I profess'd among you my ignorance of Christ I wel knew what I did for mine eies began to be opened by him that was given for a covenant to open blind eies And therefore do bear testimony that that knowledg also which you had then of Christ shall profit you nothing and that your habitation is in the midst of deceit and through deceit ye refuse to know the Lord but are feeding on ashes not on bread and so are a people robbed and spoiled yea all of you snared in holes and hid in Prison-houses and are for a prey and for a spoil And this shall ye know and witness eternally when happily no place for repentance may be found but the things belonging to your peace be hid from your eyes But who among you will give ear to this who will hearken and hear for the time to come But when I consider both your danger and your confidence and see but little probability of escape How am I wounded at the heart and made as it were to cry out My bowels my bowels I am pained at the heart I have labored in vain and spent my strength for nought for the treacherous dealers have dealt very treacherously and so you proceed from evil to evil as appeareth this day though the God of this world hath so blinded your eyes that you cannot see it I told you also whiles I was with you that as many desired and seemed to delight in the day of Christs first appearance in flesh could not stand when he appeared but became his Betrayers and Murderers so in his second appearance in Spirit Power and Life many of those that expected him seemed to desire and earnestly pray for that day of Christ would be found the greatest Enemies to him and told you some of you would betray him and how sadly it is already fulfilled in you and made good by you Let all to whom God hath given any measure of true discerning judge and see if in envy wrath and rage some of you exceed not the Heathen yea all your Fathers who in envy wrath and rage persecuted the Prophets and holy men of God that witnessed the truth in their generations But my Friends Against whom do ye sport your selves against whom make ye a wide mouth and draw out the tongue yea and the hand also Are you not children of transgression a seed of falshood Are your actions the actions of Isaac the true seed to whom the promise is made or of Ishmael that scoffed or mocked and must be cast out of righteous Abel or wrathful Cain by your fruits are ye known and the Harvest is come in which the wheat is gathering and the tares and chaff is scattering and burning and your saying Lord Lord will not serve turn Your saying and imagining you have Faith will not save you when your works are contrary and proceed not from above but from beneath Why do ye rage and imagine vain things why do ye set your selves and take counsel together against the anointed one why will ye break all his bonds and cast his cords from you by which he would draw and gather you to himself in this day of his mighty power The Lord hath set his King upon his holy Hill of Sion Who from thence declares the decrees the Law is gone forth of Sion and the word of the Lord from Ierusalem thousands are witnesses thereof although it be your lot to be of that number that despise and wonder and must perish according to the Scripture except ye repent And therefore be wise and kiss the Son lest he be angry c. For truly you may associate your selves and take counsel of the enemies of the Lord you may strike in confederacy with the enemies of our God but you must be broken to pieces for the Lord of Hosts is with us and the shout of a King is among us though we are as signs and wonders in Israel But to be plain from whence comes Wars and Fightings that are among you why do ye beat in your meetings likewise Enemies of Christ in their Synagogues as some of you did the tenth day of the seventh moneth at Richard Moons if you had there met to call on the Father who without respect of persons judgeth righteously why had you not past your time in fear but if you have bitter envyings and strife in your hearts as it is evident you then and at other times had glory not and lie not against the truth for this comes not from above but is carnal sensual and devilish and where strife and envy is there is confusion and every evil work Therefore cleanse your hands ye sinners and purifie your hearts ye double-minded be afflicted and mourn and weep let your laughter be turned into mourning and your joy into heaviness for God accepts not your sacrifice but his wrath and fury is to be revealed against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men who hold the truth in unrighteousness as you do this day And therefore the sinners in Sion are afraid great fear hath surprized the Hypocrites I beseech you read uprightly without prejudice or deceit the 83. Psalm from end to end and see if it contains not both your practice and portion I advise you to stand still if you will see the salvation the Lord of a truth is working for his people But if you will stand on the other side reioycing over the children of Iudah in the day of their calamity and speak proudly in the day of her distress and be like one of her enemies Know that the day of the Lord is near upon all the Heathen her enemies and as you have done it shall be done unto you as the Prophet witnesses Obadiah 11.12 13 14 15. And if you will be one with the enemies of the Lord in sin must ye not be one in plagues And if you although ignorantly will be lifting at the burthen some stone and fighting against Ierusalem must ye not be broken and receive the plague from the Lord God that must be poured out upon all that fight against it Zach. 14.12 Can any pretence whatsoever cover you Consider this all ye that put faraway the evil day and cause the seat of violence to come near who beat and abuse the servants of the living God which in his Name he sends among you for your good so that they bear your marks in their bodies as of old they did from your Fathers and whether it be not an evident token of your perdition
any answer which was their manner also in many other places fulfilling the Scripture that the Wicked cannot stand in judgement nor sinners in the Congregation of the Iust but flies when no man pursues Now forasmuch as hereby it plainly appeares that the intent and end of those who sent the aforesaid charge to me was but to slander and accuse as hath been the manner of the Devill and his Instruments from the beginning who is the accuser of the Brethren and for that hereby my just and necessary defence is kept from the simple-hearted amongst them after whom my soule longs and for whose sakes it was principally intended Therefore that they may come to the knowledge thereof and that the exceeding deceit and filthinesse of the rest may be made manifest and the skires of the Whore discovered I am even constrained thus to make it publick that not only themselves but all in whom any spark of honesty and true discerning is may read and judge and so be led to consider their wayes brought to repentance and acknowledgement of the truth that their sonles may be saved im this great and notable day of the Lord Iesus which is the true desive of him that was and is a Lover of their souls known by the nature of D. H. TO THE INDEPENDENT BAPTIZED PEOPLE IN BRISTOLL Friends WHilest I slumbred and slept in security and outward fellowship among you absent from the Bridegroom and the Fathers house and knew not the Bread of Life which came down from Heaven and is the life of men but fed you in wisedom of words and spake unto you smooth things how was I as a prophet well esteemed among you but after that the kindnesse and love of God appeared and by the ministration of the Spirit which excells in glory after which my soule had long travell'd I was made in some measure to see the sandinesse of all Foundations and Professions which stood in the Imagination not in the Life and so the emptinesse of your Forme and the foundation of your Religion to be but in the imaginations which is only evill continually and all your Worships and Services which from thence proceed to be but the Witchcrasts and Sorceries of Babylon by which Nations are deceived and the Priests your Leaders to be one in the same nature with the Magicians and Sorceres of Egypt and Babylon who by the same spirit withstood Moses and Daniel then as they and you doe now the truth and so the same necessity and ground to separate and withdraw from you and your worshipping as formerly from the Parishes and their Whoredomes and began to warn you of it how soon were you offended and some of you greatly enraged Yet so tender was my heart towards you that for your sakes I did bear my burthen among you for a season till he who hath mercy on the ignorant and those that are out of the way pluckd me as a brand out of the fire from amongst you and gave me opportunity by your passionate furious and unchristianlike behaviour in your Assembly when others took their leave and testified against you to acquaint you after I had been witness against that spirit that then acted you that although I was altogether ignorant till then of any others being there to take their leaves yet had I the same thing to propound concerning my selfe and so tender over you I was that I only desired leave till I more sully saw which way the Pillar and Cloud moved to come into your meetings or not and if I came and had not freedome to speak among you as formerly but in silence to wait that offence might not be taken by any assuring you that I made not this motion out of any levity or lightness of spirit but of awfulness sear and dread of the Living God not to satisfie the flesh the affections or lusts thereof by living idly loosely or carelesly in the World but to deny my self and crucisie the flesh by casting off whatsoever might feed and nourish the same Not because I was at all shaken in minde as to sellowship or communion of Saints but because I seared you were not the Spouse of Christ but an Harlot and that your communion and sellowship was not in the light and life of the Spirit of Christ but in the spirit of the world which is the spirit of Whoredomes And how tenderly I behaved my selfe afterwards towards you without doing or speaking ought by which you might be offended or your minds made evill-affected towards the truth is in part known to some of you Nevertheless the wrath and rage of many of you waxed great against the Truth and was made manifest by much railing reviling slandering and false accusing in your Pulpits and other your Meetings those that entertain'd the same in which my selse was a Sharer and matter was sought for whereof to accuse me but when nothing justly could be sound an accusation made up of apparent lyes falsehood and deceit as is manifest in my Reply is prepared and sent me by three of your Members being all the men you have lest of those to whom I was joyned and two of them became Imitators of Water-Baptism a practice disowned and testified by those to whom I joyned but when I had prepared my Defence in answer to your Accusations I sent for two of your aforesaid Messengers to whom I read what I had written to you and manifested my desire to have it publickly read among you at a full meeting and asked their freedome to doe it who answered they were free to doe it and saw no reason why it should not be so done and told me I had created more trouble and paines for my selfe because an Answer to it I might be sure to receive yet when it came so great was the deceit among you that it could not be permitted to have an hearing by you lest thereby as was pretended the weak should be stumbled but the truth was lest deceit and hypocrisie should be thereby manifested to the view of the simple-hearted among you who discerning the same might be drawn out of your snares and Satan lose his dominion over them and that the eyes of their minds might be the more effectually blinded kept it was till a Fasting day was appointed and therein an Answer pretended by some among you from God that it must not be read * Isa 58.4 Behold you fast for strife and debate and to smite with the fist of wickednesse And so after a moneths space or thereabouts was it return'd not into mine but into the hand of one of my servants without signifying in the least to me any reason why it was so return'd And as if your former wickedness had been too little in laying things to my charge which I never knew and refusing to receive or to heare my charge which is just and true you proceed to another wickedness little lesse then the former and send your Messengers again
Moses by faith refused Happy would you be if your souls which long have been in captivity under the wisdom and policy of the first Adam might be raised and have dominion and you come to witness your part in the first resurrection where the second death hath no power O my friends what shall I say unto you or how shall I intreat you for I bear you record that some of you have a great zeal of God but not according to knowledge but going about to establish your own wisdom have not submitted your selves to the wisdom of Christ nor his Cross which is foolishness to some and a stumbling block to others but is known and witnessed by those that are saved to be the very wisdom of God Now in the words of Iob I shall conclude to you Iob 13.1 2. Loc mine eye hath seen all this mine ear hath heard and understood it what ye know the same do I know also I am not Inferior to you Surely I would speak to the Almighty and I desire to reason with God but ye are forgers of lies ye are all Physitians of no value O that ye would altogether hold your peace and it should be your wisdom hear now my reasoning and hearken to the pleading of my lips Will ye speak wickedly for God and talk deceitfully for him Will ye accept his person will ye contend for God Is it good that he should search you out or as one man mocketh another do ye so mock him he will surely reprove you If ye secretly accept persons shall not his excellency make you afraid and his dread fall upon you your remembrances are like unto ashes your bodies to bodies of clay Now all the Churches in England and Wales Baptized and Independant so called to whom I have been known in the flesh and the Elders that are among them I exhort who also was accounted and called an Elder that by the Light of Christ with which you are every one enlightned and is the true Light of which Iohn was a witness you search your selves whether ye are indeed that which ye account your selves to be or else but the likeness the picture or the image of the thing without the life or living power of God within you to act order and direct you For the day of the Lord is great upon all the Idols Likenesses and Images which have eyes and do not see and feet and do not walk c. Like unto which are all those that make or trust in them and sad will be your portion if you be found worshipping in the house of your Imagery and Imaginations setting up the Images of Churches in which the true life is not or the likeness of Elders without the power which the living Elders had which is the works of your own hands for the Scripture saith Confounded be all they that serve graven Images that boast themselves of Idols And also I exhort you to be sober Come out of Egypt and stand still that you may see the salvation of the Lord who is now leading his people like a stock out of Egypt and out of Babylon as in the days of old at which Pharaoh with all his Host is angry and the Magicians and Wise-men of Egypt withstand with whom many of you have already been partakers in persecuting and in unwarrantable cruelties exercised upon the true Israel of God by which you have sufficiently declared your selves to be the feed which was born of the Bond-woman after she flesh which persecuted and must be cast out and not the seed which was by promise born of the Free-woman from above after the Spirit which shall be Heir and must reign who in all ages was persecuted under one pretence or other but did never persecute but as then He that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the spirit so it is now And the innocent blood of righteous Iames Parnel who hath suffered to the loss of his life for the testimony of Jesus in the Goal of Colchester will sadly witness it to the Consciences of those pretended Ministers and Members of the Churches in Essex who were his unjust betrayers and persecuters against whom it cries aloud for vengeance let some Members of Churches whom I know in Norfolk and other parts of the Nation also consider this and repent And therefore amend your ways and your doings and execute true Judgement and Justice oppress not the stranger the fatherless and widow and shed not innocent blood nor walk after the abominations of the Heathen whom the Lord hath cut off before you and trust not in lying words that cannot profit saying The Temple of the Lord the Ordinances of God The Churches of Christ c. For will ye lie swear deal unjustly persecute and imprison the righteous slander and abuse and shed innocent blood do worse then your Fathers and come stand in that you call a Church as if you were delivered to do these abominations Is the House that is called by my Name become a Den of Robbers or Persecutors in your eyes Behold I have seen it saith the Lord And although he hath daily sent unto you his Servants and Prophets warning you in his Name and in his Power yet have you not hearkned unto him nor enclined your ears but hardened your necks and many of you done worse then your Fathers and therefore go see what he hath done to your Brethren the Persecuters which he cast out before you And for mine own part I must deal plainly and tell you the beholding and observing the unrighteous actings and deceitful hypocritical dealings of many of your eminent Members and other high pretenders to Religion whilst I sate with them in Parliament and other chief places of Counsel and Trust in the Nation was one of the first things that put me upon consideration what the root of that Profession should be from whence such sowre grapes and fruits of bitterness proceeded where I obtained mercy through the light of Christ that enlightneth every man that cometh into the world to see the root and the fruit to be the same your foundation rotten in the imitation and likeness of the truth not in the truth as it is in Jesus your way too broad to lead to life your Principle and profession weak and powerless not able to carry and lead you out of the World and its crooked and deceitful ways but in the lustful proud vain-glorious envious oppressive nature to dwell equal with the rest of the world from whence it is since broken sorth into the monstrous Viper of plain and open Tyranny Violence and Persecution in which you are observed greatly to exceed the Generations that went before you Vpon consideration of which notwithstanding I have known what it is to be accounted something among those called Churches what the preferment of Pharaohs Court is and the great things of England and have had a nature prone enough to imbrace the same yet for
appointed Pastors and Teachers is answer'd in the query and what he appoints is not needless Quere 7. Whether the Scriptures you bring to oppose the Practice of Gospel-Ordinances doe not serve onely to reprove the practise of Circumcision or the walking after the traditions of men or the carnal formalist practise or Idolizing of the true Gospel-Ordinances all you say making not at all against a spiritual practice of Gospel-Church-Ordinances as of Breaking of Bread and Exhorting one another c. Answer We bring not Scripture to oppose the practice of Gospel-Ordinances but we bear witness against your traditions carnal formalists and Idolizing practises by the same spirit as they did then who said It is neither Circumcision nor Vncircumcision but a new Creature And the spiritual practice we own and press unto it and against the formall and the carnall all we say not making at all against a spiritual practice of Gospel-Church-Ordinances And whether the spiritual be taken practis'd and fulfill'd in the carnall let the Spiritual Judge who compares spiritual things with spiritual and here your queries are in your confusion who before drew a conclusion we cried all down without mercy and now say all we say makes not at all against a spiriruall practice Here the unclean Spirit hath confess'd truth Quere 8. Whether it be better to wait on God in his good old wayes expecting his work to be gradually carried on so running with patience your spirituall race or as the manner of some is to forsake the assembling our selves together in hopes to start up from a low stature suddenly into perfection by embracing a new Doctrine Answer In this query we are not concern'd by your own confession we informe and instruct our selves and others and we assemble our selves together for edifying waiting upon the Lord in patience to runne the spiritual race and for your starting up into perfection your envy is seen and against what you start and such starting we deny your slander returns upon your own head Quere 9. Whether Iesus Christ hath not prayed for those that believe through the word of the Apostles Is so whether they are not in a good and safe way who believe accordingly And whether it be better to credit their testimony so fully confirm'd and owned by the Lord or to forgoe that and embrace and follow the sayings of some of your company Answer Christ hath prayed for those that believe and they are in a good and safe way that believe accordingly and for crediting their testimony so fully confirm'd you have Drunkards Lyars Swearers Covetous proud Hyocrites and deceitful Ones to be of your company to confess the truth of their words but are as far from witnessing the life and power the Believers witnessed as the Hypocrites as the Drunkards swearers yea and many in this day of the Lord are brought to repentance and enter into the Kingdome before ye graves and painted sepulchres And for your secret slandering some of our company where nothing is instanced there needs no answer But all we say as you confess making nothing at all against a spiritual practice we judge it safe to follow that and they that believe and follow otherwise it is not for the better Quere 10. What is that Faith which the Spirit speaketh expresly some should depart from in the latter dayes giving heed to seducing spirits and dostrines of Devils Answer It is the Faith of the Son of God and Faith is a Mystery held in a pure Conscience and you that are ignorant of this Faith are among the seducing spirits and the last and perillous time is fulfilled upon you reprobate concerning the faith having a forme of godliness but denying the power as you confess that you profess no tto have the power the Apostles had by which the foundation was laid yet you say you can build but what your building is worth let the wise in heart judge who have not the power that layd the foundation O ye blind guids are your consciences so seared that you cannot see that you are out of the doctrine of Christ without the power that laid the foundation building among the company beforemention'd In the presence of the Lord are you seen witness'd against to be in the doctrine of devils without the power of God giving heed to seducing spirits seducing Repent repent ye Hyyocrites this is love to your souls and the Witness in your Consciences will answer it in the day of the Lords account Quere 11. Whether that Doctrine which in some is no more but look to the Light Within with a curse upon disobedience and a blessing upon obedience thereunto be that glorious Gospel Preached by Christ and his Apostles or whether it be not a renewing the old Doctrine of Iustification by Works w●●…ein the mystery of iniquity works to darken the grace of God in justifying the Vngodly without works freely by his grace and to make void the sufferings of Christ Answer This query is grounded upon a lye but the true Ministry is to turn from darkness to light and from the power of Satan unto God And this is the way to receive forgiveness of sinnes and an inheritance among them that are sanctified by faith that is in C. Jesus and that the wrath of God is to be revealed upon the disobedient is found Doctrine and your deceitful coverings will not hide you who obey not the Gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ And glad tiding and plenteous redemption through his blood doe we witness and the old doctrine is denied by the summ of what we declare and the carnal profession and hypocrisie contrary to the grace of God which teacheth to deny ungodliness and the forme without the same power that laid the foundation there the mysterie of iniquity worketh and from thence came this query which is utterly false as it is applied to us Query 12. Whether the Light that is in every man doth reveale Iesus Christ as crucified for sin and risen again If so how came it to passe that so many strict men and Paul himself walking according to his Conscience before Conversion were ignorant of him Answer Do you not here shew your ignorance Is Christ reveal'd crucified for sin and raised again before Conversion Is this a learned question how it comes to passe that Christ is not known before Conversions seeing the Light reveales him The Light condemnes the Vnbelievers though they make a Profession that Christ is come and crucified for sin and risen Ye are in the darkness it self as neer Egypt as Babylon Did Paul know Christ til he was revealed in him and doth darkness reveale him While Paul walked in the zeal without the true knowledge persecuting he was ignorant and injurious and the Son not reveal'd But in the Light is Christ known and reveal'd and the true Light lighteth every man and he that believeth in the light is a child of light But one question after your manner of counting to you among