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heart_n be_v hot_a deut._n 19_o 6._o but_o though_o mr_n cawdry_n know_v not_o so_o much_o yet_o i_o have_v take_v notice_n of_o those_o difference_n and_o have_v advertise_v the_o prefacer_n of_o the_o same_o who_o it_o concern_v my_o letter_n to_o they_o be_v not_o present_a at_o hand_n with_o i_o if_o they_o be_v i_o shall_v not_o think_v it_o meet_v to_o publish_v they_o in_o the_o preface_n to_o the_o key_n the_o prefacer_n note_v a_o difference_n between_o i_o and_o they_o about_o the_o prophesy_n of_o private_a brethren_n concerning_o which_o i_o send_v they_o word_n i_o discern_v no_o descent_n at_o all_o between_o they_o and_o i_o in_o that_o point_n though_o they_o have_v add_v a_o case_n or_o two_o of_o liberty_n more_o than_o there_o they_o do_v express_v whether_o it_o be_v too_o hard_a for_o i_o or_o no_o to_o reconcile_v other_o with_o myself_o it_o be_v enough_o that_o i_o keep_v the_o unity_n of_o the_o spirit_n with_o they_o in_o the_o bond_n of_o peace_n and_o that_o i_o have_v learned_a placidè_fw-la ferre_fw-la contra_fw-la sentientes_fw-la but_o howsoever_o i_o hope_v by_o the_o help_n of_o christ_n i_o shall_v soon_o reconcile_v myself_o to_o myself_o unless_o the_o replyer_n can_v prevail_v with_o i_o so_o far_o as_o to_o make_v i_o not_o only_o to_o fall_v out_o with_o myself_o but_o to_o fall_v off_o from_o the_o truth_n too_o or_o else_o convince_v i_o that_o i_o have_v so_o fall_v and_o yet_o even_o so_o i_o hope_v the_o lord_n will_v help_v i_o rather_o to_o reconcile_v myself_o to_o the_o truth_n than_o myself_o to_o myself_o chap._n 2._o touch_v the_o second_o pretend_a contradiction_n with_o the_o 3_o 4_o 5._o the_o second_o contradiction_n which_o the_o replyer_n charge_v be_v delineate_v in_o the_o scheme_n thus_o 2._o the_o
key_n be_v give_v to_o the_o church_n of_o believer_n the_o way_n pag._n 1._o that_o be_v a_o combination_n of_o faithful_a man_n as_o mr._n hooker_n 2._o the_o key_n of_o knowledge_n belong_v to_o all_o the_o faithful_a whether_o join_v to_o any_o particular_a church_n or_o no_o the_o key_n pag._n 11._o 2_o the_o key_n of_o knowledge_n be_v give_v not_o only_o to_o the_o church_n but_o to_o some_o before_o they_o enter_v into_o the_o church_n keyes_n pag._n 2._o ans._n this_o term_n the_o key_n of_o knowledge_n be_v take_v from_o our_o saviour_n word_n in_o luk._n 11._o 52._o where_o he_o reprove_v the_o lawyer_n who_o have_v take_v away_o the_o key_n of_o knowledge_n and_o neither_o enter_v in_o themselves_o nor_o suffer_v other_o to_o enter_v the_o word_n argue_v that_o the_o enter_n in_o be_v not_o into_o the_o visible_a church_n for_o into_o that_o the_o lawyer_n have_v enter_v and_o be_v willing_a to_o admit_v other_o he_o speak_v therefore_o of_o enter_v into_o the_o state_n of_o grace_n and_o so_o into_o the_o kingdom_n of_o grace_n and_o glory_n the_o solution_n than_o be_v plain_a and_o easy_a the_o key_n of_o knowledge_n or_o faith_n belong_v to_o all_o the_o faithful_a whether_o join_v to_o any_o particular_a church_n or_o no_o for_o by_o it_o they_o enter_v into_o the_o kingdom_n of_o grace_n and_o glory_n but_o if_o we_o speak_v of_o the_o key_n of_o a_o particular_a visible_a church_n they_o be_v all_o give_v to_o the_o church_n or_o congregation_n of_o believer_n touch_v the_o three_o contradiction_n the_o three_o contradiction_n be_v decipher_v thus_o 3._o the_o key_n of_o order_n be_v common_a to_o all_o the_o member_n of_o the_o church_n key_n pag._n 8._o then_o say_v we_o to_o woman_n and_o child_n 3_o it_o be_v not_o every_o place_n or_o order_n in_o the_o church_n that_o give_v power_n to_o receive_v ordinance_n much_o less_o to_o dispense_v they_o as_o child_n and_o woman_n way_n clear_v part_n 2._o pag._n 19_o ans._n 1._o it_o have_v be_v answer_v above_o that_o such_o general_n proposition_n hold_v true_a notwithstanding_o some_o know_a particular_a exception_n it_o be_v appoint_v to_o all_o man_n once_o to_o die_v which_o be_v a_o undoubted_a truth_n though_o enoch_n and_o elias_n never_o die_v ans._n 2._o the_o child_n of_o church-member_n be_v in_o order_n to_o baptism_n but_o exclude_v from_o the_o lord_n table_n 1_o cor._n 11._o 28._o woman_n have_v some_o part_n of_o the_o key_n of_o order_n whereby_o they_o have_v power_n to_o walk_v orderly_o themselves_o and_o in_o a_o private_a way_n to_o help_v other_o to_o walk_v orderly_o also_o act._n 18._o 26._o tit._n 2._o 3_o 4_o 5._o only_o they_o have_v not_o power_n to_o admit_v member_n choose_v officer_n censure_v offender_n but_o if_o they_o have_v any_o part_n of_o the_o power_n of_o the_o key_n the_o proposition_n be_v true_a yea_o and_o it_o be_v true_a also_o though_o they_o have_v be_v keep_v from_o all_o interest_n in_o the_o exercise_n of_o the_o key_n touch_v the_o four_o contradiction_n the_o four_o contradiction_n be_v thus_o lay_v out_o 4._o ordination_n be_v a_o work_n of_o rule_n the_o way_n pag._n 49._o ordination_n and_o jurisdiction_n both_o act_n of_o rule_n pertain_v indifferent_o to_o all_o the_o presbyter_n ibid._n pag._n 49._o 4._o as_o for_o election_n and_o ordination_n of_o officer_n these_o thing_n the_o brethren_n may_v do_v if_o need_v be_v without_o officer_n the_o way_n pag._n 45._o 101._o 4._o ordination_n be_v not_o a_o act_n of_o supreme_a jurisdiction_n but_o of_o order_n rather_o hooker_n survey_n part_n 2._o 75._o ans._n ordination_n they_o that_o make_v the_o least_o of_o it_o make_v it_o a_o act_n of_o prayer_n and_o such_o prayer_n by_o which_o the_o less_o be_v bless_v of_o the_o great_a as_o it_o be_v in_o all_o prayer_n which_o be_v join_v with_o imposition_n of_o hand_n which_o argue_v it_o be_v a_o act_n of_o majority_n of_o power_n and_o majority_n of_o power_n may_v without_o a_o solecism_n be_v call_v rule_n though_o not_o office-rule_n yet_o honourable_a pre-eminence_n i_o nowhere_o call_v it_o a_o act_n of_o supreme_a jurisdiction_n which_o be_v that_o mr_n hooker_n deny_v and_o seem_v to_o deny_v it_o not_o positive_o neither_o but_o comparative_o rather_o ordination_n say_v he_o be_v not_o a_o act_n of_o supreme_a jurisdiction_n but_o of_o order_n rather_o then_o there_o be_v no_o contradiction_n here_o nor_o will_v it_o be_v find_v in_o the_o other_o clause_n for_o though_o ordination_n and_o jurisdiction_n be_v say_v in_o the_o way_n pag_n 49._o to_o pertain_v indifferent_o to_o all_o the_o presbyter_n yet_o that_o be_v express_o speak_v in_o opposition_n to_o the_o lord_n bishop_n who_o usurp_v both_o into_o their_o own_o hand_n as_o their_o peculiar_a prerogative_n and_o though_o i_o say_v else_o where_o in_o the_o way_n that_o in_o election_n and_o ordination_n of_o officer_n the_o brethren_n may_v act_v if_o need_v be_v without_o officer_n yet_o the_o very_a word_n of_o limitation_n if_o need_v be_v argue_v that_o in_o ordinary_a case_n ordination_n pertain_v to_o the_o presbyter_n as_o other_o act_n there_o mention_v do_v pertain_v to_o the_o presbyter_n and_o brethren_n meet_v together_o but_o as_o for_o election_n i_o take_v it_o to_o pertain_v principal_o to_o the_o brethren_n touch_v the_o 5_o contradiction_n the_o 5_o contradiction_n follow_v in_o this_o sort_n 5._o the_o key_n of_o authority_n or_o rule_n be_v commit_v to_o the_o elder_n of_o the_o church_n and_o so_o the_o act_n of_o rule_n be_v the_o proper_a act_n of_o their_o office_n key_n pag._n 20._o the_o people_n discern_v and_o approve_v the_o justice_n of_o the_o censure_n give_v consent_n and_o obedience_n to_o the_o will_n and_o rule_n of_o christ_n key_n pag._n 15._o 37._o 41._o the_o people_n stand_v in_o a_o order_n even_o a_o orderly_a subjection_n according_a to_o the_o order_n of_o the_o gospel_n pag._n 11._o 5._o in_o case_n the_o officer_n do_v err_v and_o give_v offence_n they_o shall_v be_v govern_v by_o the_o whole_a body_n of_o the_o brethren_n the_o way_n pag._n 100_o the_o church_n exercise_v several_a act_n of_o authority_n over_o the_o elder_n the_o way_n pag._n 101._o the_o people_n have_v some_o stork_n of_o power_n and_o authority_n in_o the_o government_n of_o the_o church_n pag._n 36._o they_o rule_v the_o church_n by_o appoint_v their_o own_o officer_n ibid._n pag._n 16._o ans._n 1._o the_o former_a column_n in_o all_o the_o three_o place_n speak_v of_o elder_n walk_v in_o the_o right_a administration_n of_o their_o office_n then_o in_o propriety_n of_o speech_n the_o key_n of_o authority_n and_o rule_n be_v commit_v to_o they_o 1_o tim._n 5._o 17._o and_o be_v there_o make_v the_o proper_a act_n of_o their_o office_n than_o it_o be_v that_o the_o people_n discern_v the_o will_n and_o judgement_n of_o christ_n in_o their_o judgement_n they_o do_v give_v consent_n and_o obedience_n to_o the_o will_n of_o christ_n in_o censure_n advise_v by_o they_o then_o it_o be_v also_o that_o they_o walk_v in_o orderly_a subjection_n to_o their_o elder_n heb._n 13._o 17._o but_o the_o latter_a column_n speak_v of_o the_o power_n of_o the_o church_n over_o the_o elder_n chief_o in_o case_n of_o the_o elder_n maladministration_n of_o their_o office_n or_o misgovernment_n of_o themselves_o but_o then_o the_o power_n which_o the_o church_n put_v forth_o it_o be_v not_o office_n power_n which_o be_v proper_o authority_n but_o potestas_fw-la honoraria_fw-la answer_n 2._o in_o column_n the_o second_o when_o it_o be_v say_v the_o people_n have_v some_o stock_n of_o power_n and_o authority_n in_o the_o government_n of_o the_o church_n keyes_n pag._n 36._o they_o be_v the_o word_n of_o a_o objection_n not_o of_o my_o own_o assertion_n and_o though_o somewhere_o i_o speak_v of_o act_n of_o authority_n over_o the_o elder_n i_o do_v clear_o explain_v myself_o in_o the_o key_n pag._n 36._o that_o authority_n be_v take_v in_o a_o large_a sense_n and_o after_o a_o sort_n when_o it_o be_v acknowledge_v in_o the_o people_n over_o the_o elder_n as_o 1._o when_o a_o man_n act_v according_a to_o his_o own_o will_v free_o he_o be_v then_o say_v to_o be_v {non-roman}_o {non-roman}_o {non-roman}_o {non-roman}_o {non-roman}_o dominus_fw-la sui_fw-la actus_fw-la so_o the_o people_n in_o all_o the_o act_n of_o liberty_n which_o they_o put_v forth_o they_o be_v domini_fw-la sui_fw-la actus_fw-la lord_n of_o their_o own_o action_n 2._o the_o people_n by_o sundry_a act_n of_o liberty_n as_o in_o election_n of_o officer_n in_o send_v forth_o their_o messenger_n in_o concurrence_n with_o their_o elder_n in_o the_o admission_n of_o member_n and_o censure_n of_o offender_n in_o the_o determination_n and_o promulgation_n of_o synodal_a act_n they_o have_v a_o great_a stroke_n and_o power_n in_o
the_o order_n of_o church_n affair_n which_o may_v be_v call_v {non-roman}_o {non-roman}_o {non-roman}_o {non-roman}_o {non-roman}_o or_o potestas_fw-la a_o power_n which_o many_o time_n in_o common_a speech_n go_v under_o the_o name_n of_o rule_n or_o authority_n but_o in_o proper_a speech_n it_o be_v indeed_o a_o privilege_n or_o liberty_n a_o {non-roman}_o {non-roman}_o {non-roman}_o {non-roman}_o {non-roman}_o or_o power_n rather_o than_o authority_n it_o be_v a_o common_a speech_n usual_a among_o our_o best_a divine_n that_o the_o government_n of_o the_o church_n be_v mix_v of_o a_o monarchy_n a_o aristocracy_n and_o a_o democracy_n in_o regard_n of_o christ_n the_o head_n the_o government_n of_o the_o church_n be_v sovereign_a and_o monarchical_a in_o regard_n of_o the_o rule_n by_o the_o presbytery_n it_o be_v stewardly_a and_o aristocratical_a in_o regard_n of_o the_o people_n power_n in_o election_n and_o censure_n it_o be_v democratical_a chap._n 3._o touch_v the_o six_o contradiction_n the_o six_o contradiction_n be_v thus_o present_v 6._o examination_n be_v one_o of_o the_o high_a act_n of_o rule_n and_o therefore_o can_v be_v perform_v but_o by_o some_o ruler_n key_n pag._n 16._o the_o church_n can_v excommunicate_v the_o whole_a presbytery_n because_o they_o have_v not_o receive_v from_o christ_n a_o office_n of_o rule_n without_o their_o officer_n ibid._n no_o act_n of_o the_o people_n power_n do_v proper_o bind_v unless_o the_o authority_n of_o the_o presbytery_n join_v with_o it_o ibid._n pag._n 36._o 6._o if_o all_o their_o officer_n be_v find_v culpable_a either_o in_o heretical_a doctrine_n or_o in_o scandalous_a crime_n the_o church_n have_v lawful_a authority_n to_o proceed_v against_o they_o all_o the_o way_n pag._n 45._o in_o case_n of_o offence_n give_v by_o a_o elder_n or_o the_o whole_a eldership_n together_o the_o church_n have_v authority_n to_o require_v satisfaction_n and_o if_o they_o give_v it_o not_o to_o proceed_v to_o censure_v ibid._n page_n 101._o 6._o excommunication_n be_v not_o a_o act_n of_o the_o power_n of_o office_n but_o of_o judgement_n nor_o a_o act_n of_o high_a rule_n but_o of_o supreme_a judgement_n seat_v in_o the_o fraternity_n surv._n part_n 3._o pag._n 45._o as_o a_o church_n of_o brethren_n can_v not_o proceed_v to_o any_o public_a censure_n without_o the_o elder_n so_o nor_o the_o elder_n without_o concurrence_n of_o the_o people_n preface_n to_o the_o key_n pag._n 4._o answer_n 1._o here_o be_v indeed_o a_o discrepance_n in_o expression_n between_o the_o way_n and_o the_o key_n but_o it_o be_v not_o my_o act_n that_o any_o such_o discrepance_n shall_v have_v be_v extant_a the_o truth_n be_v that_o many_o year_n ago_o and_o some_o year_n before_o the_o suppress_n of_o the_o bishop_n in_o england_n i_o be_v serious_o move_v by_o some_o of_o our_o brethren_n and_o fellow_n elder_n here_o to_o draw_v up_o a_o historical_a narration_n of_o our_o churchway_n together_o with_o some_o 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