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B15350 De adiaphoris Theological and scholastical positions, concerning the nature and vse of things indifferent. Where also is methodically and briefely handled, of ciuill and ecclesiasticall magistrates, of humane lawes, of Christian libertie, of scandall, and of the worship of God. A vowed worke, destinated (by the grace of God) to appease the dissentions of the Church of England. Written in Latine by M. Gabriel Powel, and translated into English by T.I.; De adiaphoris. English Powel, Gabriel, 1576-1611.; Jackson, Thomas, 1579-1640, attributed name.; T. I., fl. 1607. 1607 (1607) STC 20146; ESTC S101530 122,532 204

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god_n and_o make_v the_o do_v or_o omission_n of_o all_o indifferent_a action_n to_o agree_v and_o stand_v with_o the_o will_n of_o god_n 20_o the_o error_n be_v 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 21_o they_o insist_v whatsoever_o be_v do_v of_o faith_n 4._o object_n 4._o and_o please_v god_n be_v the_o worship_n of_o god_n ceremony_n and_o ecclesiastical_a rite_n as_o some_o man_n say_v be_v do_v of_o faith_n and_o do_v please_v god_n ergo._n they_o be_v the_o worship_n of_o god_n 22_o answer_n the_o proposition_n be_v particular_a answ_n answ_n for_o it_o be_v not_o a_o sufficient_a definition_n of_o worship_n worship_n that_o ceremony_n be_v not_o worship_n that_o some_o thing_n please_v god_n see_v indifferent_a action_n also_o may_v be_v do_v of_o faith_n and_o please_v god_n albeit_o far_o otherwise_o than_o worship_n do_v proper_o so_o term_v 23_o for_o this_o so_o please_v god_n so_o as_o the_o opposite_a or_o contrary_a thereunto_o do_v displease_v he_o and_o therefore_o can_v be_v 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