Reality Members of the true Church Because this Light in which we had Believed did reveal unto us that those who were but in the Gentile Nature and had come no further than the Outward Court that was given to the Gentiles might have all the Outward Marks and signs of a Member of their Churches and yet know very little of the washing by the Water of Regeneration and Sanctification through the Spirit which every Member of the true Church that 's Built on the Rock Christ comes to be Witness of And therefore when our Opposers who professed not the Truth would reflect upon us on this wise You are a confused People you gather not into Church-fellowships you have no certain Way to know one another to be Members of the Church as we have And why do you not put forth your Creed that so we may know what and how many the Articles of your Faith are and what you stand for and what you stand against The best Answer that ever as we could understand we were capable to give in Truth unto such was this The True Church is in God who is the Author and Finisher of our Faith we have believed in the Sufficiency of his Grace unto which if we are obedient according to the respective measures thereof given of God and Received by us we then have the Witness of God in our Consciences giving Evidence that we are of the True Brotherhood and of the Church of the First Born whose Names are written in Heaven though we do not alleadge any outward Marks and Signes whereby our Bodies being Temples wherein the Holy Ghost doth dwell ought to be accounted within the pale of the true Church And albeit no Outward Society of Men amongst us calling themselves the Church have put forth any certain number of Articles of Faith with this Testimony that every one that professeth himself a Member of the Church of Christ ought so to Believe or else not be accounted of the True Church yet many of our Freinds unto whom the Lord hath given Divine Understanding have written divers Books according as the Spirit of the Lord hath moved upon their Hearts out of which the sound Doctrines we hold and stand for may be collected though others so reputed may thorough Weakness have erred To conclude as to this particular we further thus testifie In the Church of Christ there are Babes Young Men and Fathers there are the Weak and the Strong Suppose a Weak Brothers Faith Differs from his Brethren must he be accounted a Fool or an Hipocrite Nay Nay Charity measures not so We find this very Case happening amongst the Romans and what said Paul in that Case Read Rom. 14.3 4 22 23. and there Paul thus adviseth Let not him that eateth dispise him that eateth not and let not him that eateth not Judge him which eateth for God hath received him Who art thou that condemnest another Man's Servant To his own Master he standeth or falleth Hast thou Faith Have it to thy self He that doubteth is condemned if he eat because he eateth not of Faith and whatsoever is not of Faith is Sin Hence 't is evident the Members of the Church differed in their Faith he that did eat was not to be Judged because he was Received of God he that did not eat was so far from being Judged that the Apostle condemnes the very eating whilest there was a Doubt though the abstaining from eating was the Fruit of Weakness We now leave it to the Conscience of every Impartial Reader in the Light of Christ Jesus to weigh and consider whether it can be Service to the Truth and agreeable to the meaning of the Spirit at this day for any person under the name of Quaker to give forth this Doctrine 't is folly and hipocrisy to profess our selves Members of the True Church and yet not believe thus as the True Church believes though the giver forth thereof may to this purpose also declare as to give the publisher thereof his due he hath That they never did preach up such a Position as a great Argument to enforce People into their Faith SECT V. What we stand for viz. Truth and Righteousness and that Christ's Government may be exalted in every Heart under which we are instructed not to depend on Man but on the sufficiency of God's Grace A Testimony against Tythes and for Meeting together in time of Persecution the neglect whereof may be the Fruit of Weakness or disobedience The Government of Christ and the Laws thereof are inward Some part of the Fruits brought forth under the said Government are discribed An Objection relating to the Securing any part of a mans Estate on a fore-sight of a Premunire or Fines for meeting answered HAving thus far eased our selves 't is with us in short to inform the Reader what we stand for and what we stand against that so the understanding impartiall Reader who cannot be principled to shut out all Reason and all Wisdom notwithstanding publick Exhortations to the contrary as if Wisdom and Reason of all kinds were condemnable may perceive more clearly what we are and what we are not That then which chiefly we stand for is Truth and Righteousness and that Christ's Government may be exalted in every Heart which might be branched forth into many particular Doctrines and Practices but forasmuch as that hath largely been treated on by many antient honourable Friends to Truth and Righteousness who were Instruments in Gods Hand to gather us into the Belief of his Light and Sufficiency of his Grace though since fallen asleep and that we intend more particularly to treat thereon in the second part of this Treatise we shall not much enlarge thereon in this part yet think it necessary for the sakes of some here to signifie That Truth and Righteousness for which we stand under the Government of Christ hath Instructed us not to depend on Man for teaching but on the Sufficiency of Gods Grace nor yet to put into the mouths of false Prophets or Hireling Shepherds and on this foot we have had a Testimony against paying of Tythes as being that Antichristian-Yoak which in the dark Night of Apostacy hath been spread over Nations and as we came to believe in the Light of Christ Jesus and to depend upon the Sufficiency of his Grace and to know the benefit of our assembling our selves together to wait upon the Lord for the arising of his pure immortal Life to the refreshing and consolating our immortal Souls we have been made willing Praises be to our God to continue the assembling of our Selves together waiting upon the Lord in the day of Persecution and Hour of Tryal though Sufferings might therefore attend believing that whatsoever society of People had been in the Life of Christianity and yet should for Fear of Man or the Lawes of Men forsake the assembling of themselves together as the manner of some hath been in dayes past when the will of the Lord
seems to Glory in suffering their goods to be taken away and to speak in their Language account it the Fruit of a Dark Spirit to endeavour to save any though but from the thirst of Informers occasioning Persecution meerly to enrich themselves we cannot but Query Whether it be not more Christian like so to act according to ones plain Perswasion than to contend so much for offering upall yet after taken away to use divers means to get it again sometimes by Law open-faced as in the case of Appeals and sometimes by private and Secret Solicitations wherein not only Time and Breath is Spent but as is credibly reported the Purse opened too as some of our Opposers have done We shall now return and consider what in probability may be Objected touching the sufficiency of Gods Grace c. as in the next following Section SECT VI. On the occasion of an Objection raised touching the sufficiency of Gods Grace Unity is treated on from the words of Paul to the Corinths that they should all speak one thing Touching the Word Independency occasioned by a Publick Preacher That leaving Friends to the Grace Light and Spirit of God is not the way to lead into Rantism Objection T Is true may some say this Doctrine of exalting the sufficiency of Gods Grace squares with the Principle of Truth as Preach't amongst us in the Beginning and it had then and still hath an Answer in our Consciences but now several of those who have been Instruments to gather us increase in the Knowledge of the Mind of God and they now tell us that they doubt if there be no care taken to preserve an Vnity amongst the Professors of Truth Friends may be scattered and broken and run into a Seperation c. for did not Paul exhort the Corinthians that they should all speak one thing 1 Cor. 1. 10. Answ To this we answer that when Paul came to understand that the Church at Corinth were some for Paul and some for Apollo and some for Cephas and some for Christ there was great need for him on that Occasion to exhort them to speak one thing lest their Faith and Hope in the Gospel might come utterly to be destroyed did those who cry against such whom we account Faithful Friends as dark Spirits and plead so much for Unity and to speak one thing exhort those who were apt to pin their Faiths on an Apollo a Paul or a Cephas to be for Christ we should think it good Exhortation therein to speak one thing and that which would cast a great Line of Reflection on those Ignorant Zealots who of late Days have much exhorted us to have an Eye to the Brethren in which 't is evident to us their meaning is to some particular Brethren whilest others ancient and honourable are dispised by them Besides we cannot on this occasion but observe that the same Paul doth sufficiently evidence his dislike of any Plea for Unity save that of the Spirit in the Bond of Peace And though he exhorts to Unity Ephes 4.3 yet Vers 7. he saith But unto every one of us is given Grace according to the measure of the Gift of Christ which clearly evidences to our Consciences that Paul never intended to magnify any * 1 Cor. 12.7 1 Cor. 15.10 Unity amongst Brethren but that which might be the natural product of this gift of Grace or manifestation of the Spirit as given to every one according to measure to profit withal and whereby they might in the language and according to the example of the Apostle Paul say each unto other By the Grace of God I am what I am We are yet sensible that another Objection may still arise Obj. What then are you for an Independency Yes verily we are for an Independency that is to say * Some may wonder why we raise this Objection but doubtless 't will come to the view of one and not a mean one too who manifested his doubt that some of us intended an Independency not to depend on the Counsel of one man nor yet to depend on the counsel of General Quarterly or Monthly Meetings but as there is sufficiency in the Grace of God that is given unto us to profit withal so to have a Dependency on that Grace to teach didirect and instruct in all things relating to the In ward man of the heart knowing that it s against the nature of that Principle in which we have believed to have a dependency on any thing that is Outward lest it prove unto us like the Reed of Egypt and Arm of Flesh that cannot save but yet we are not against appointed Meetings for the Outward services of Truth for that hath been and is our practice knowing that there may be a service therein as occasion offers provided all in such Meetings may be kept in humility as servants each to other and the Truth not exercising Lordship over the Conscience which is Gods Prerogative nor yet exalting themselves as if thereby they were entred into that Possession which can never be taken from them Object We are now sensible that some may be ready thus to say we can scarsely believe that any man of weight and under the name of one that may be accounted by any a faithfull Quaker would give occasion for such a discourse as this occasioned on the word Independency for that many may be apt to say 't is the Language of an Hypocrite that hath outward Power to uphold it because some who are accounted seperate from it are called Independents Ans This occasions us to signifie that * Note his Name is omitted for the reason in the Preface an eminent Person writing to Friends in Wiltshire by way of Reply to an Answer they gave to the Paper from Ellis Hooks his Chamber signed by Charles Marshall and sixty five more against two ancient and honourable Friends in truth viz. John Story and John Wilkinson c. thus repeats part of the words of the Friends of Wiltshire And what if we in this County or any Friends elsewhere should say to any of you of London or other Cities or Countries as to our Publick Concerns in the managment of our Affairs * Note Though 't is recited meddle not with us yet the very following words are thus unless concerned but if the Word of the Lord be really with any of you we are ready to hear it which being left out by the replyer we appeal to the righteous Judge whether he hath not therein acted notoriously unjust since there could not have been the least Pretence for him to have written as he hath on that Subject had the whole Sentence been repeated Meddle not with us if we should so say unto you we cannot think that this is of the nature of Imposition having no Penalty annexed thereunto neither do we understand theirs to be any otherwise These words being thus repeated the Replyer proceeds and gives this Answer To this I
Answer ye are out of the Wisdom and Fellowship of the Gospel herein for where-ever Truth is concerned the Friends of Truth may be concerned by counsel advice or other aid or assistance and to talk of Cityes Places or Countries by way of Limitation is narrow weak and unsound it is a plain restrain which is of the nature of Imposition it ariseth from the same Ground and tends to the same Center and the end of this very Spirit how small soever its appearances are thought now to be is down-right Independencyes Parishes and Schismes suffer but the Universal Cord to be cut and these things must follow hereby one Place will be ignorant of the Actions of another and each be as distinct Governments and by things happening between Persons of differing Meetings a Foundation is laid for Emulation Strife and Division but where Truth only Rules and Reigns and that all Friends of Truth have Free access in it Truth and not Man nor Men rules and raignes for they that would have a Meeting rule are as far from Truth as they that would have a Man rule for it is neither Man nor Men but Truth in all that must and will preside amongst us and the Faithful are of one mind because they have but one Head Here the Reader may take notice that the Replyer who is not a mean One useth the Word Independencyes and seems to speak against Seperate and Independant Priviledges and distinct Governments and yet also imports by his words that neither Man Men nor Meetings ought to Rule but that Truth must and will preside amongst us and that the Faithful are all of one Mind because they have but one Head Hence some may be apt to enquire What may be the meaning of these his words and the End of this very Spirit is downright Independencyes Parishes and Schisms To this we Answer That we take him to mean that there are some who in his sense either are or in the end may become Schismaticks because they are not principled to depend on the Assemblies of Men though under a Form of Government but on the Sufficiency of Gods Grace which seems to be evident from this his Expressions suffer the universal Cord by which we cannot take him to mean the Power of God but some outward thing to be cut and these things must follow viz. hereby one Place will be ignorant of the Actions of another and each will plead Seperate and Independent Priviledges in fine they will be as distinct Governments and by things happening between Persons of different Meetings a foundation is laid for Emulation Strife and Division but had he not so said we have sufficient Evidence satisfying us that what we take to be his Meaning may reasonably be taken to be his very Meaning since 't is not rational to take him to mean an Independency on the Light of Christ and Sufficiency of Gods Grace because 't is used by way of Reflection on those whose great Concern at this day as we believe is to contend and plead for this undoubted Christian-Freedom and Priviledge that as under the Profession of Christianity the Sons and Daughters of Men have by the True Ministers of Christ been committed to Gods Grace so they ought to be left free to the Sufficiency of his Grace as that Teacher of Righteousness on which they ought to depend notwithstanding many False and Hireling Ministers have usually thus said We commit you to the Word of Gods Grace and yet be found Persecutors of those who giving heed to the Word of Grace could not adhere to their words He that hath an ear to hear let him hear We appeal now to Gods Witness in every impartial Reader whether the Replyers Language in his afore-cited Reply favours of the Truth and in the mean while shall leave this our Testimony on record that Truth may appear amongst a Few Countrey Friends in a small Village and that they from the Appearance thereof may act by way of Counsel Exhortation Aid or Assistance charging troublesom turbulent Disquieters of Gods People not to meddle with them unless concerned and yet may not Justly be reflected on as such as would cut the Vniversal Cord which is the Power of God and cannot be cut whereby we were gathered nor yet that the end of their Spirits are Independencies Parishes Schismes and that they are Pleaders for such Seperate Independent Priviledges as have not a dependency on Gods leading Grace Oh Friends away with all such discourse that tells you in one Line that no Man Men nor Meetings but Truth must Rule and Preside and yet reflect on others as claiming and pleading for Seperate Priviledges and distinct Governments when in Reallity they plead for nothing but to be left according as the antient Labourers who were Instruments in Gods hand to gather us did leave us commit us and commend us to the Grace of God and the Teachings thereof as manifest in every ones Inward Parts making no mentition of having their Dependencies on General Quarterly Monthly or any other Meetings of Men whatsoever and therefore we cannot but give forth this as a warning to all to take heed that ye be not deceived by the cunning Sleights and Devices of Man to leave your Teacher that cannot be removed into a Corner and instead thereof be found depending on the Dicttates and Prescriptions of fallible Man He that hath an ear to hear let him hear But to come yet more close to the matter in hand we cannot but further declare that though the Replier thus hath said To talk of Cityes Places or Countryes by way of limitation is narrow weak and unsound it is a plain restraint it is of the nature of Imposition yet we must take Liberty to tell him that we are not so void of sense but to perceive that the General Meeting is that unto which in the sense of some all Friends ought to have an Eye above any other Meeting of Friends whatsoever and that the meaning of this Exhortation frequently uttered viz. Have any Eye to the Brethren is chiefly mean't with respect to that Meeting this we take to be both Limitation and a Design of Imposition And whereas the Replier hath said Hereby one Place will be ignorant of the Actions of another as if that were matter of ill consequence we think meet to add that we do know those who have busied themselves first to bring the Actions at one Place unto another have occasioned Emulation Strife and Division amongst Friends at Unity So that instead of approving themselves Keepers of other Mens Vineyards they have been Destroyers both of other mens and their own Vineyards too as by sad Examples is too too evidently manifested in the Countries and Places where we Live or have been Conversant If report be True it hath been Jealoused by some who cry much against some others under the term of Dark Spirits though Honest Friends That this kind of arguing to leave Friends to the Grace Light and Spirit of God may lead into Rantism and therefore 't is the Care of Faithful Brethren to appear as watch-men over the Flock that so none under pretence of being left to the Light may run into Loosness Lightness and Vanity saying The Light in my Conscience Condemns me not To this we say the Lord rebuke that Spirit that doth so much as Jealous that leaving People to the Light may lead into Rantism such a Sugestion is notoriously wicked since the Testimony of Truth hath been unto which we this day bear record that the Light is
like Women were recorded for their Wisdom and their Vertue c. he answered William Rogers thus I knew what I did I saw 't would be a Stumbling Block but there is something in it We cannot otherwise be perswaded but that he would then see that he is fallen from the Truth that the words reported to be spoken by J. Naylor when he said in Relation to his own falen state I am but the figure of another are now fulfilled in him Oh! that the Lord would change his Heart bring him to a true Sight of and sorrow for his sin as he did J. N. after his Fall and then we hope as he hath been an Offence unto the Church of God so the Lord will lay a Constraint upon him as he did upon James Naylor to travel amongst Friends whom he hath offended to clear the truth of that Scandal and Reproach which thorough him hath been brought upon it For 't is an Abomination before the Lord and at this day seasonably testified against by the Children of Light that G. F. should be an Occasion of so much Division Strife and Contention as hath been made in the Nation touching his Papers under a pretence That he hath been moved of God to give them forth that Friends might be supplied with Directions to keep all things clean and sweet amongst Friends meaning thereby amongst other things and that according to the Express words of his Papers That there should be no Backbiting Tale-bearing Judging one another and that evil reports should not be concealed but be followed until the Authors thereof be found c. and yet be the very Person that is notoriously guilty in all those things himself which would have been proved against him had he submitted to a Hearing as aforesaid But for as much as he hath refused to submit to such a Hearing though several Letters from Friends in Truth have been written unto him to entreat him thereto and in particular hath been treated withal by Daniel Smith of Malborrough to whom he gave this Answer he Judged 't would be a jangle as 't was at Bristol and so refused as by a Letter from the said Daniel Smith doth appear therefore we do at present refer for Proof of the Matters whereof we assert in this Paragraph that he is guilty to the last mentioned Manuscript and in particular to the 21st Section thereof which is ready for the perusal of Friends desiring to view the same William Rogers on behalf of himself and other Friends in truth concerned The SECOND PART OF THE Christian-Quaker Distinguished from the APOSTATE INNOVATOR WHEREIN DOCTRINES of TRUTH cleared from Objections are laid down agreeable to the Scripture of Truth given forth by Inspiration and according as they have been received and owned by the Children of Light or such amongst the People termed in Derision Quakers who have received from God Divine Understanding and kept their Place and Habitation in the Unchangeable Truth Also An APPENDIX detecting Charles Marshal and sixty five more as Unrighteous Judges in a Case pretended to relate to John Story and John Wilkinson two antient and honourable Labourers in the Gospel of Christ By WILLIAM ROGERS on behalf of himself and other Friends in Truth concerned 1 Cor. 3.11 For other Foundation can no Man lay than that which is already laid which is Christ Jesus 2 Tim. 4.3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound Doctrine but after their own Lusts shall they heap to themselves Teachers having itching ears LONDON PRINTED in the Year 1680. The Contents The INTRODUCTION WHerein is manifested that there is but one way whereby the Things appertaining to the Kingdom of God and Salvation of Mankind comes to be revealed though the Manifestation thereof may seem various Page 1. Chap. II. Touching the Light of Christ within and Exhortation to Obedience thereof Page 5. Chap. III. Touching Infallibility and Perfection Page 11. Chap. IV. Touching Wisdom and Knowledge Page 21. Chap. V. Touching Magistracy and Obedience thereunto Page 30. Chap. VI. Touching Respect of Persons plain Language disuse of the word Master unless by a Servant to his Master of Customes and Fashions of this World and of the Cross of Christ Page 33. Chap. VII Touching Swearing Page 37. Chap. VIII Touching Tithes Page 40. Chap. IX Touching Baptism Page 45. Chap. X. Touching the Supper of the Lord with his Disciples the Night before he was betrayed Page 51. Chap. XI Touching Justification and Salvation through Faith in Christ Page 61. An Appendix Containing an Answer given forth by some Friends of Bristol to a Paper Dated from Eilis Hooks his Chamber London the 12th of the 4th Month 1677. against John Story and John Wilkinson c. and subscribed by Charles Marshal of the County of Wilts and Sixty Five more together with some few Observations on part of a Reply thereto by Jasper Bat of the County of Sommerset and three others Page 72. The SECOND PART OF THE Christian-Quaker Distinguished from the APOSTATE and INNOVATOR c. CHAP I. The Introduction Wherein is manifested That there is but One Way whereby the things appertaining to the Kingdom of God and Salvation of Mankind come to be revealed though the Manifestation thereof may seem various IN the first part of the Christian-Quaker distinguish'd from the Apostate and Innovator Several Subjects are treated on relative to the Matter intended Viz. To manifest a part of those things touching which the Faithful were at Unity and by what Ways and Means that Unity came to be broken c. And now that every Reader who is desirous to be informed in these Dividing Times what those Children of Light unto whom the Lord hath revealed of the Mysteries of his Kingdom own with respect to the other Doctrines and Practices whereon little or no occasion is taken to treat in the First Part it is at this time upon us to add a farther Testimony to the Ancient Truth according as the Lord in his tender Mercy hath through the Appearance of his Son Christ by his Light or Manifestation of his Grace and Testimony of his Faithful Servants in the Scriptures of truth opened wherein our intent is not to treat largely on every Subject because the ensuing Discourse is chiefly to manifest What a remnant stand for who being faithful unto their first principle cannot in a temporizing spirit change their way The Desires and Breathings of our Souls unto God are that every Reader may be serious and unprejudiced in the perusal of this our Testimony and then we do not doubt but 't will be reaching unto the Consciences of such as that which is not inconsisting with the Testimonies given forth by Inspiration recorded in the Scriptures of Truth and spirit of God or Appearance of Christ by his Light which is that by which the Lord doth see and is seen in the Conscience wherewith every man coming into the world is lighted for that the Lord by his spirit
hath opened that there is not any other way by which all things relating unto the Kingdom of God and Salvation of mankind comes to be revealed and this appears agrecable to the Scriptures of truth John 14.26 2 Cor. 4.2 3 4 5 6 7. 2 Tim. 3.15 16. We are now sensible that some who may peruse the foregoing Scriptures may be ready thus to say You seem to propound two ways by which the things appertaining to the Kingdom of God and Salvation of Mankind have been and are revealed viz. the Spirit of Truth or Appearance of Christ by his Light as One Way and the Scriptures of Truth as Another Way To this we answer The Way we propose is but One though the Manifestation thereof may seem various to Man viz. sometimes through Instruments and sometimes through Himself For though Paul wrote unto Timothy unto whom he was made an Instrument and therefore called him his Son telling him 2 Tim. 3.15 16. That the holy Scriptures were able to make him wise unto Salvation and that they were profitable for Doctrine for reproof for correction for instruction in righteousness yet 't is spoken with respect to those Scriptures that are given forth by inspiration of God and with this limitation viz. thorow the saith that is in Christ Jesus Whereon we observe that the Scriptures given forth by inspiration are but as an Instrument made serviceable to the Reader through the Spirit whereby faith in Christ comes to be raised even as a Man indued with the Spirit of God may in the hand of the Lord be an Instrument through sound Doctrine and wholsom exhortation to open the inward Eye of the Mind which hath been darkned and to awaken the Conscience which hath been defiled that so man may come to be renewed in the spirit of his Mind unto God through faith in our Lord Jesus Christ and the Conscience purified from Dead Works through the blood of the Covenant to serve the Lord in Truth and Righteousness and therefore we reasonably conclude That there is but One way though various in Operation and Manifestation through which the Things appertaining to the Kingdom of God and Salvation of Mankind comes to be revealed which is by the powerful appearance of Christ by his spirit and light convicting the Conscience converting and renewing the Mind unto God sometimes through Scriptures given forth by inspiration sometimes through Man as an Instrument and sometimes by the appearance of the Spirit and Light in Man without the Assistance of such Instruments but yet the end of all is that faith in Christ may be raised wherein as the Evidence of things not seen by the Carnal Eye the Light of the Knowledge of the Glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ is beheld which is that Treasure whereof the Apostle spoke that is hid in our Earthen Vessels that the excellency of that Power might be of God and not of man These things being duly considered this Testimony doth naturally arise that neither the Scriptures of Truth nor any other writings whatsoever though given forth by the Spirit of God itself can properly be termed so profitable a Rule unto us as the Light and Spirit from which they were given forth and therefore the Eye of our Mind ought chiefly to be unto the Spiritual Appearance of Christ by his Light and Spirit in us as that Unerring Guide which never can be removed into a corner Besides we find the Scripture itself testifying That no Prophecy of the Scripture is of any Private interpretation 2 Pet. 1.20 that is it ought not to be interpreted but by the Holy Ghost through whose Motions 't was given forth for all other Interpretations may truly be termed Private From whence we observe that if the Prophecies in the Scriptures of Truth should be read unto us from Morning to Evening and from Evening to Morning again we might receive little Benefit or Profit thereby unless the Eye of our Mind come to be stayed in the Unchangeable Light and Spirit of God whereby the meaning of the spirit through them out of all Private Interpretations hath been and is signified unto Man CHAP. II. Touching the Light of Christ within and Exhortation to Obedience thereof THose Faithful Messengers of the Gospel of Christ whom the Lord in these latter daies sent forth for the gathering of the Nations unto the Faith and knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ who is the Way the Truth and the Life that their souls might be saved in the Day of the Lord frequently sounded in our ears on this wise Turn in your minds unto the Light within meaning thereby the Light of Christ within which shews you that a Tye is not of the Truth and as through Faith you come to be Obedient unto the Light Within and that measure of Grace given by God and received by you so will you come to be made Partalters of that great Salvation This Doctrine was acceptable to many who in the Love of Truth received the joyful Sound thereof but unto others mean and despised who notwithstanding that Testimony accounted the Scriptures of Truth a More Sure Rule and Guide unto the Father The consideration whereof at this time hath been as an obligation to examine whether the aforesaid Doctrine so acceptable to some and despised by others be consonant to the Scriptures of Truth which task is the more freely undertaken because the aforesaid Doctrine hath become so great a stumbling block unto many as that they have thought it a sufficient evidence that the professors thereof have been out of the path of truth readily objecting on this wise Objection Do you not think that those Jews who crucified Christ acted not from the Light Within Since some of them at least verily thought they did God good service therein Having thus premised 't is now needful to examine what may be spoken from the Scriptures of Truth for the Light within and to turn in the Mind unto the same to obey it c. In order thereunto we find John the Evangelist thus testifying Joh. 1.4.9 In him meaning the Word which was God was Life and the Life was the Light of men That was the true Light which lighteth every man that cometh into the world I am the Light of the World John 8.12 he that followeth me shall not walk in Darkness but shall have the Light of Life Joh. 12.46 I am come a Light into the World that whosoever believeth in me should not abide in Darkness These Scriptures plainly shew that we are to believe in and follow Christ who is that Light that lighteth every man that cometh into the world Objection However some objecting may say What 's this to a Light Within 't is very plain that John the Evangelist meant nothing of a Light Within in your sense but of the Personal Appearance of Christ Without as that Word which was made Flesh and as Evidence produce what the same Evangelist saith Chap.
cannot account Sound Language if Pauls Testimony Phil. 1.15 18. was Sound who said Some Preach Christ of Envy and Strife What then Notwithstanding every Way whether in Pretence or in Truth Christ is Preached and I therein Rejoyce yea and will rejoyce Secondly That to pretend want of clearness in Sight will not excuse any from Disobedience to God who submit not to the Sentence of an Assembly or some or other of them which may in any tolerable Supposition be termed the Church of Christ and so are ready to Judge their Brethren as Apostatized from the Truth if they walk not according to the Lines and Measures of others though they have no Faith therein contrary to that of Paul who to the Corinthians said 1 Cor. 10.15 Having Hope when your Faith is Increast that we shall be inlarged by you according to our Rule And whether these are not of that number who bring another Gospel than what we have already received and so subject themselves to the Curse whilest they are endeavouring to manifest others Accurst Let Gods Witness in all Judge There are at this Day who seem to make no Distinction between such as would have no Iniquity reproved and those who Conscientiously scruple to submit to the Dictates of others till their Vnderstandings are Illuminated these are of that number who divide not aright and seem so void of Charity as not to distinguish between the Precious and the Vile for though it was so that Paul in Thes 3.6 a Scripture quoted by R. B. thus saith Now we command you Brethren in the Name of our Lord Jesus Christ that ye withdraw your selves from every Brother that walketh disorderly and not after the Traditions which he received of us and then Comments upon it what more positive than this and yet the Apostle was not here an Imposer To which I thus say that this Scripture is no Warrant for any to follow the Commands or Traditions of others at this day until convinced of the Truth and real Service of Obedience to such Commands or Traditions which is evident by the reason that Paul in the following Verse gives for the urging Obedience to his Precept viz. for ye your selves KNOW how that ye ought to follow us So the Knowledge of their Duty was the Bond rather than Pauls Command Vers 14. of the same Chapter being another Scripture quoted by the aforesaid Author Page 27. Paul saith If any Man Obey not our word by this Epistle note that man and have no Company with him that he may be ashamed This related to such of whom Paul Vers 11 12 13 of the same Chapter saith we have heard that there were some among you that walked inordinately and work not at all but are Busi-Bodies therefore them that are such we command and Exhort by our Lord Jesus Christ that they work with Quietness and eat their own Bread and ye Bretheren be not weary in well doing and then he exhorts Vers 14. If any man obey not our Saying c. which plainly relates that to so undoubted necessary a Duty mentioned Vers 11. That such who were Busi-bodies walking inordinately might not in their busie inordinate Spirit eat the Bread of others but work that they might eat their own Bread but whosoever they are that shall bring such Scriptures as these to manifest that we ought to submit to the Outward Forms Prescriptions Ceremonial Dictates or decisive Sentences of others when they are or may be Matters of Conscience and that there lies an Obligation in point of Duty to Obey in every or any of such Things though we see it not shews themselves a sort of Busie-bodies wanting work Paul 1 Cor. 14.37 a Scripture quoted by the aforesaid Author thus saith If any man think himself to be a Prophet or Spiritual let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the Commandements of the Lord and Vers 34. of the same Chapter Paul saith Let your women keep silence in the Church c. Here 's a positive proof that women ought to be silent in the Church and that by the Command of Paul and therefore me thinks it should be a shame for such who plead for Womens speaking in the Church and not only so but for their Service with respect to Exercise in Discipline to pin so much as to me appears the aforesaid Author doth in his Treatise on the word Command us'd by Paul when according to the measure of Gods Grace and Truth which the Children of Light have received they have and do testify and that according to Truth notwithstanding what Paul saith and hath Commanded that * Note I would not hereby be understood to justify All Women that have spoken in our Meetings because many of them have of late been so rude in their Opposition to John Story as that I take it to be a meer Scandal to Religion and am perswaded that by Pauls Command the meaning of the Spirit was not positively according as his own words seem to intiate not only because the Prophet Joel 2.28 prophesied that the Lord would pour out of his Spirit upon Sons and Daughters and that they should Prophesy but also for that in the same Chapter 1 Cor. 14. he exhorts the Church who doubless consisted of Women as well as Men to Covet Spiritual Gifts but rather that they might Prophesy saying Ye may all Prophesy one by one all which considered t is rational to take the Mind of the Spirit to he that there were some unruly disorderly Women then in the Church as in these our Days are who then had need as some now have to be warned to keep silence though others that had received a Revelation from God might declare the same in the Church when met together Women as well as Men and Men as well as Women may speak in the Church of God according to their respective Measures when the Spirit of the Lord moves And since as the Apostle Paul himself testifies 1 Cor. 10.8 That his Authority was given him for Edification and not for Destruction I cannot but be more Charitable than to think Paul ever used the Words Command Ordain Traditions and such like on any other account but that the Churches should be followers of him according as in their own Measures they had a Sense or Savour that he was a Follower of Christ and not otherwise which comparing Phil. 3.17 with 2 Cor. 10.13 14 15 16. doth evidently appear The forementioned Scripture to the Philipians thus saith Brethren be Followers together of me and mark them that walk so as you have us for an Ensample that to the Corinths saith But we will not boast of Things without our Measures but according to the Measures of the Rule which God hath distributed to us a Measure to reach even unto you for we stretch not our selves beyond our Measure c. not boasting of things without our Measures that is other mens Labours but having hope when
supposed to be the Church of Christ where either the true Doctrines and Principles are wanting or the true Life and Power in some good measure is not felt and known is far from my Thoughts Yea how far I am contrary-minded may be seen at large in my Apology upon the 10th Proposition now published in English Page 194 195 196 200 201 202 c. [g] [g] R. B's Discourse now shews that he holds forth TWO BONDS by which the People of the Lord are centered into one Body But the Apostle's Doctrine was that by one Spirit we are baptized into one Body and so the Bond but one And though R. B. terms my Comparison a Scornful Reflection yet I affirm 't was Christian-like enough so to say if the Reason given in my Answer be but duely considered which was That the main Scope of his Treatise relating to that Matter both from Scripture and Reason tended as it were chiefly if not wholly to evidence that Principles Doctrines and Practices necessarily depending thereon are the Bond by which we became Centered into one Body and Fellowship though he nameth not what those Principles Doctrines and Practices are For a further Manifestation of his weakness on this Subject I referre unto my Answer Thirdly W. R's Seventh Observation Whereas it was thought strange that I should call Doctrines and Principles the Bond and Terms of our being together I understood it only of an Outward Bond and that I laid the stress upon it no further appears in that I affirm these Principles and Doctrines to be the Product of Truths Power and Virtue upon the Heart which appears by what is Printed upon the Margent and W. R. saying in his Papers that this was but like the Entertainment of Christ in the Manger shews too little of Christian-Sobriety and too much of a Scornful Reflection for which I will rather choose to forgive him than therein to contend with him For how much I value that Inward Bond to wit the Life of Righteousness beyond the Outward and that I esteem the Outward not at all to be valued but as it comes from the Inward may be seen thorow out all I have written in my Apology upon the 10th Proposition W. R's Eighth Observation and elsewhere [h] [h] If this be his meaning yet his Book doth not so declare And my affirming that any denying of any of Truths Principles and Doctrines is a ground of disowning was only in respect that who do so do manifestly thence make it appear they have broken the Inward Bond first from which that Outward did naturally spring and arise W. R 's Ninth Observation [i] [i] Experience tells me that the great Difference among Friends in the Nation is about Outward Orders pretended to be Establish't by G. F. and by the aforesaid Letter which R. B. accounts a clearing of himself 't is signified that R. B. declared his meaning to be not only with respect to all the Outward Orders and Forms of Discipline in Government amongst us but also with respect to the Power of God which being Compared with his now declared Meaning on the same Subject shews again that he doth not by this confirm notwithstanding his pretence so to do what is signified in the aforesaid Letter because here is no mention made of any Outward Orders Establish't and Practized by the People called Quakers and that he pretends his Meaning to be an Establishment on the Spirit only and such as are led by it which is a clear discovery of his Fallaciousness and will so appear to such as may peruse his words whereon the Fifth Observation is made for therein he pretends to give the same Satisfaction as is signified in the same Letter Besides 't is worthy our Observation that from R. B's words some Persons are intended Establishers of the Government upon the Spirit only but yet with this Addition notwithstanding his word only and such as are led by it which to me seems a two-fac'd kind of Expression for if the heart of a man be the place wherein the Laws of Christ are writteu and his Government is to be exalted and that we have no ground to expect any other Government or Governours to be like unto Moses save Christ Jesus by the Manifestation of his Spirit in us why could not he have been contented to have stopt his Pen at the words SPIRIT ONLY but forasmuch as he makes this Addition and such as are led by it I must confess I am in some measure at a stand touching his meaning thereby and have a Godly Jealousie that notwithstanding his pretence to the Spirit and that nothing done by meer Imitation will any thing avail yet when it may serve his turn he may from his own Lines bring forth another Conclusion and inferr a Subjection to others under the Notion of Governours over the rest and that the Dictates of the Spirit in us must give way to the pretended Dictates of the Spirit in others by which means at length it may so happen that the Profession of the very Principles of Truth as held forth amongst us in the Beginning may be Irradicated for if once the Day come wherein the Faith of any is that certain Persons above or distinct from any others are the Men who are led by the Spirit and that the Government of Christ is Establish't on them then in probability it will naturally follow that instead of Embracing this Primitive Exhortation turn in your Minds unto the Light that shines in your own Consciences many will be turning their Minds out unto unto the Dictates of others and were it so that what R. B. aims at should be granted viz. the Establishment of Christs Government on men led by the Spirit this then might be objected that many might pretend thereto who were not led by the Spirit and where the Spirit of Discerning is wanting in such as are to be Governed they may be in a ready and open way to Destruction But on the contrary let this undoubted Truth be held forth viz. Let every one be obedient to his measure of Grace and Light received from God and that the Light and Grace is a Reprover of all Sin then there will be no Stumbling nor By-Path walked in Moreover his Language in another respect seems to me inconsisting with the Truth because the Government treated upon to be Establish't is pretended to be Christ's Government that the Establishers are certain Persons signified by these R. B's words We did Establish it that the Object whereon it is Establish't is the Spirit all which considered I may truly say that 't is a work not fit for poor Mortals to pretend to especially if we consider that 't is already Established by God himself on Christ's Shoulders But if instead of that which occasions this Observation R. B. had signified that those who are led by the Spirit are subjects under Christ's Government I know that such Language would have
him for counsel and wait upon the teachings of his Spirit which dwelleth in you which the Father hath given unto you because you are his Children and this he requireth from you that his own Spirit in you which hath begotten you may be the root and moving cause of all your works and words and herein will you receive Acceptance with him and Peace from him and Righteousness in him and everlasting Joy by him continually and this is the inheritance unto which you were begotten heirs to possess for ever Bristol the first day of the eight Month. 1680. William Rogers 'T is thought meet to inform the Reader that though the five parts of this Treatise are now bound up together yet 't was once designed that they should also be published in single parts which hath occasioned the inserting of some things oftner than would have been and the wording of other things not so proper and concise as it might had it at first been so concluded Post-script UNderstanding that some among the People called Quakers within the City of London either from Knowledge or Jealousy that of late I have been concerned to publish in Print something against George For have already concerned themselves to Dislike and give pretended Reasons against my so doing which if past over in Silence and the Truth not cleared may have a Tendency to defile the Minds of some of the Friends of Truth and to establish the Opposers thereof in their present Evil and wrong Sentiments of those who encourage the bringing forth of this Treatise I am now in Conscience concerned to add this Postscript for this End First That all Friends may have a further Caution to hear see and savour for themselves and not too hastily censure any unheard in their own Defence Secondly That they may not be ensnared by the evil Insinuations false Suggestions or unreasonable Constructions whether of the Blind Zealot principled to Eye the Brethren in stead of the Light in himself or the Luke-warm Partial appearing Note I would not be hereby understood that all who appear Newters are either Luke-warm or Partial because I am satisfyed many honest-hearted Friends that know the Truth have not a Knowledge of all the Differencies and so may be accounted with Respect to some parts of the Controversy as Newters and others not being concerned in the Controversy may be termed Newters and set such as walk in the Antient Path of Truth in all Sincerity Newter that is sensible of the great falling away and yet either for Ease and Interest Sake or a slavish Fear stifles his own Knowledge For the time is come wherein a Discovery must be made of the Ignorance of the one the Hypocrisy of the other and the irreligious unchristian-like Deportments and Constructions of both To the Matter in hand on this Occasion I now proceed First The Vatter as I understand disliked is my proceeding to print against George Fox Secondly The Reasons pretended to be given behind my back without so much as First signifying any thing by Word or Writing to me so far as I know against my so doing are these First That though I pretended I had often sent to George Fox about giving me a Meeting and that I also came up to London to read a Charge against him behind his back at which time as 't is said I was then told by some that they understood Grorge Fox would be at the General Meeting yet when he did come to it although I had advice from James Claypoole of his being come I neither took any notice thereof nor yet sent to him and yet further also as I now am informed some do raise as a great Argument in their Esteem against me this also viz. That when I was last in the City of London since the General Meeting I was also informed by the said James Claypoole that George Fox was but a few Miles off and yet did neither go to him nor stay until he came to the City but instead thereof hasted out of Town with great Diligence which as some say shewed that whatever I had pretended to meet George Fox yet I had no desire thereto My Concern now is for the Sakes of such simple ones who may be apt to take Shadows for Substance and impertinent irrational as well as irreligious and unchristian-like Discourses for Oracles when dropping either from the Mouth or Pen of one unto whom according to their Principle they may think themselves oblieged to have an Eye to discover the Impertinency and Fallaciousness of the Reasons urged against my proceeding to print against George Fox In order thereto I first observe that from the aforesaid pretended Reasons this pretended Argument may be urged Iames Claypoole being at London informs William Rogers then at Lristol that George Fox was come to the City and afterwards informs William Rogers when at London that George Fox was but a few Miles from the City but William Rogers takes no notice thereof nor yet sent to him nor waited for George Fox's coming to the City therefore William Rogers had no desire to meet G. F. when he formerly so pretended Were this to come only to the View of Men of Understanding and impartial I might well stop my Pen from any further attempt to discover the weakness and fallacy of such idle sort of Discourses because such would first be apt to enquire For what End I desired a Meeting with G. F and when they should be Informed That 't was to prove him guilty of things reproachfull to the Truth and that he would by no means assent to such a Meeting they would be ready to conclude that 't was his best defence to cover his Guilt from the Knowledge of such whose Faith might be in him and so conclude that no Obligation in Truth might be upon me to take any further notice of him as to a Meeting had it so happened as that I had accidently meet him in the very Street much less ride 94 Miles upon bare report from the said J. C. that he was in London as if my Business were the Business of such a poor Pensioner that had nothing to do but to attend G. F's Motion but rather to endeavour to clear my Conscience otherwise as now I am about to do However for the Sakes of others I shall proceed to clear the matter objected somewhat more First Then I must tell those evil Insinuators who say That I had no desire to meet G. F. when I writ to him of my readiness so to do that therein they belye me Secondly The Argument pretended to be deducible from the aforesaid Reasons cannot be good unless this following Assertion ought to be owned by every one that hath desire to meet with George Fox on the like occasion as I had viz. First That on the said J. C's notice that George Fox is or will be at London then 't is the Duty of any Friend that hath a desire to meet G. F. to come
John 6.53 when he said Except ye eat of the Flesh of the Son of Man and Drink his Blood you have no Life in you For though Christ so said yet he did not intend that there could be a Profiting as to the Growth of the Inward Man by Eating outward Flesh no more than the Children of Light do at this Day believe that the Eating of the Outward Bread can nourish the Immortal Soul Joh. 6.63 And therefore Christ said It is the Spirit that quickneth the Flesh profiteth nothing CHAP. XI Touching Justification and Salvation through Faith in Christ WHat the Scripture saith touching Justification and Salvation we own viz. Rom. 8.30 That the Called of God are Justifyed and that This Justification is freely by his Grace through the Redemption Rom. 3.24 25. that is in Jesus Christ by Faith in his Blood for the Remission of Sins that are past and that Tit. 2.11 Salvation is brought through the Grace of God that hath appeared unto all Men. Object This Sense of yours cannot be denyed because your Language agrees with the Holy Scriptures But the Question is Whether your Meaning thereby is that you own a Justification of Persons or a State of Salvation attainable through the Blood of Christ not only without an Infusion of Righteousness but also by a Pardon of Sins and accepting of Persons as perfectly Righteous at the Tribunal of God not for any Works wrought in them or done by them but for Christ's sake not by imputing the Act of Faith or any pretended Light or Principle within them or any of their Evangelical Obedience to him as their Righteousness before God but by Accepting and Imputing the Obedience and Satisfaction of Christ for them and to them And Whether or no you do not account that Justification and Sanctification are all one and the same thing because Sanctification is inseparably joyned with Justification 1 Cor. 6.11 which if you should we cannot but take you therein to Err because in Justification God imputeth the Righteousness of Christ to us Rom. 4.6 8. But in Sanctification the Spirit of God infuseth Grace into us and enableth to the Exercise thereof Ezek. 36.27 Answ The Objection seems to be raised by such as have put their Meanings on the Scriptures of Truth when in truth they cannot say That by the Revelation of the Spirit of God they have been led thereto And therefore such Meanings may well be taken to be no other than meer Private Interpretations and not that which is signifyed by the Holy Ghost However that our Sense relating to the Material Parts of the Objection may be known we thus say First That Justification unto Life Eternal or a State of Salvation is not attainable but through Faith in the Blood of Christ or the Leadings of God's Grace that hath appeared unto all Men and that nothing which we of our selves are capable to perform can in any wise be so Meritorious as thereby to render us worthy of that Justification which all the Saints in Light are attained unto as absolutely necessary to the being made a Partaker of the great Salvation of God By these our words Nothing which we of our selves are capable to perform our Meaning is not only an Exclusion of all legal Performances which the Apostles in their Epistles plentifully hinted at but also of all other Outward Dutyes and Performances of what Nature and Kind soever that our Outward Man is of ability without the Assistance of the Spirit of God to act and bring forth And if any from these words in the Objection viz. Wrought in them Act of Faith Evangelical Obedience c. shall conclude that the very Works and Actions which by the Spirit of God we are enabled to bring forth are of no Advantage towards Eternal Salvation but that it 's through Faith alone attainable We then thus Answer That the word Faith in the Scripture may be taken in a two-fold sense the one is a Faith that is not without a further growth accompanyed with the Salvation of God and therefore cannot be the Faith intended in the Objection The other is Faith in the Blood of Christ for Remission of Sins and this Faith is unto Salvation and so must be that intended in the Objection But then this inconsistency with Truth plainly appears in the Objection viz. A reliance on Faith excluding Works wrought by the Spirit The inconsistency lies here Wheresoever a lively Faith unto Salvation is manifested it is accompanyed with Fruits of the Spirit and Evangelical Obedience which are as inseparable each from other as Sanctification and Justification in the Objection are confest to be We shall now prove to evince against all Opposers the truth of what we have Asserted First That there is a Faith which without a further growth is not accompanyed with the Salvation of God is evident from the words of Paul Rom. 13.11 For now is our Salvation nearer than when we believed Which clearly shews that the Scripture informs us of a Belief or Faith attained by such as were not arrived unto nor yet Witnesses of the Salvation of God They were only come nearer unto it than when they first believed but not come at it And no doubt but this Belief or Faith spoken of by the Apostle was a Faith on Christ that is to say That He was the Son of God c. For so to believe was the Work encouraged in the beginning according as appears by the words of Christ unto the multitude John 6.29 This is the Work of God that ye believe on him whom he hath sent And this was said by Christ in Answer to this Question proposed to him by the Multitude What shall we do that we might work the Works of God Phil. 1.15 16 17 18. Besides we find the Apostle rejoycing That Christ was Preached though by some 't was of Envy and Strife and in Pretence And no doubt his End was that the Sons of Men might come to believe That Christ was the Son of God and That the Messiah that was waited for was come Of whom there was an Expectation John 4.25 That he should tell us all things And so when the Sons of Men whether Jews or Gentiles were come so far as to believe That Christ was that Messiah that was to come there was Ground of Hope that they might in due time come to Witness the Obedience of Faith unto Righteousness The Author to the Hebrews tells us Heb. 12.2 That Jesus is the Author and Finisher of our Faith No doubt this was not a Work done in a Moment or Twinkling of an Eye for though he is the Author and Object of every true Christians Faith yet we learn from the Holy Scriptures that such as believed That Jesus was the Lord stood in need of many ‖ Rom. 13.13 14. Heb. 10.23 24. Exhortations Reproofs and Instructions and that God made use of Instruments to build them up in the most Holy
of Gods Spirit to publish unto the World for God be over-ruled by Timothy a Son when according to the aforesaid Author he ought to be ruled by Paul the Father nay perhaps by one that is of much lesser rank in the Body if so be he hath a word of Exhortation on the behalf of Gods Truth is usually exercised therein in publick But suppose no such Obstruction hath or may appear yet I query Whether it looks like a part of Christ's Government for Timothy the Son to be admitted as a Judge over the Writings of Paul who as a Father begot him unto the Truth Paul 1 Cor. 12. Treats of the diversities of Gifts by one and the same Spirit mentioning several of them viz. The Word of Wisdom the Word of Knowledge Faith Gifts of Healing Working of Miracles Prophesy Discerning of Spirits divers kinds of Tongues Interpretation of Tongues and then at length saith God hath set some in the Church First Apostles secondarily Prophets thirdly teachers and after that Miracles c. and then saith are all Prophets are all Apostles are all Teachers c. And again Rom 14.6 7 8. He thus saith having then gifts differing according to the Grace that 's given to us whether Prophesy let us Prophesy according to the Proportion of Faith or ministry let us wait on our Ministry or he that teacheth on teaching or he that exhorteth on Exhortation From all which 't is evident that God hath given diversities of Gifts and that those Members who may be skilful through the Grace of God to Exercise one Gift may be unskillfull to exercise another and so every own ought to wait on their own Gift that therein they may be exercised and that also not beyond but according to the Proportion of Faith for doubtless the Apostle was sensible there was a proneness in some to run beyond their Gift and therefore he saith according to the Proportion of Faith Now should any number of Persons amongst whom there should be only such whose Gifts are either to Prophesy Teach or Exhort but not to discern Spirits sit together and take upon them to consider whether that which is given forth for publick Service by any Brother seriously declaring that God moved thereunto ought to come to publick View and be found hindring the coming forth of the same when nothing unsound appears they would therein make a Breach on that Christian-Liberty which ought to be preserved inviolable in the Church of God Nay if peradventure there should be some amongst them whose Gifts are to discern Spirits and so accordingly gives their approabation or disapprobation it becomes not others not gifted therein to concern themselves because their Duty is if Paul's Counsel be good to wait on their own Gift and though such may declare they have Unity therewith in the Life Yet that may be only the Fruit of their Lips or of a hasty Spirit that may have Zeal without Knowledge when the Matter wherewith they declare themselves at Unity is without the Compass of their Gift Knowledge or Capacity to Judge of But yet I would not be understood that it is unnecessary for the Members of the Church of Christ to take care that nothing Scandalous to the Truth come forth in Publick under the name of any who make profession thereof and were it so that I had ought upon me on Truths behalf to bring to publick View I should be glad of the Opportunity to lay it before such Brethren with whom the Word of Wisdom Knowledge and Discerning of Spirits dwelt yet am perswaded the Lord would preserve me from suffering the Counsel of any to lead me contrary to what I believed the Lord moved unless through the Word of Wisdom and Knowledge they could convince me of Errour and so come to see it my place to forbear And this I account agreeable to the Truth which preferrs Obedience to our own Measures of Grace before Obedience to the Measures of others and to wait on our own Gifts and not the Gifts of others even as I account it contrary to Truth and as a Branch springing from that Spirit which would limit the Holy One of Israel to subject the Approbation of Coming or not Coming of all Writings whatsoever given forth on a Religious Account to publick View unto the Judgment of any unless such as are perfectly skilful in all Spiritual Gifts Mysteries and Knowledge relating to the Matters appertaining to Gods Kingdom and the Salvation of Mankind Had this uncertain unselected Assembly spoken of been such at the time when R. B's small Treatise was approved doubtless it would never have past as that whereby Truth would be promoted through a Belief of all the Matters which therein he asserts for Truth Moreover when I consider that all Miscarriages in Writings approved at that Assembly doth not only become the error of a perticular person but of that Assembly also not only so but peradventure may be reflected though unworthily on the whole Body of the People called Quakers on a common Presumption that having past the Test of that Meeting the whole Church approves thereof I am even ready to query Whether it were not better to let every Man stand or fall to his own Master in this respect unless some better Expedient might be found than such an one as hath admitted of such Erroneous Assertions as to the dishonour of Truth are contained in R. B's Treatise And if any one should object and say What wouldst not thou submit to the Sentence of such Apostles with whom the Word of Wisdom and Knowledge dwelt Yes verily I should and ought so to do if my Faith were such as certainly to believe they are such Apostles to me but not before read 2 Cor. 10.13 14 15 16. From all which I do according to Truth thus conclude That it is groundlesly asserted by R. B. in the Sense I take his Lines to import viz. with respect to Outward Orders that the ancient Apostolick Order of the Church of Christ is Re-established amongst the People of God called Quakers Yet I do testify that the Government of Christ ought to be exercised in and over his Church and that though the Order of this Government is not so described as that by any Outward Rule or Written Prescription as a sufficient Means Man may exactly walk therein Yet I am perswaded that there are many of Gods People amongst those who in Derision are called Quakers that have been so Obedient unto that Grace which hath been given them according to the Gift of Christ as that it may be truly said of them That they are Established in the Faith of Gods Elect and that they are in Subjection according to their Measures to the Government of Christ which by the Authority of his own Power and Spirit he hath Establish'd in their Inward Parts so that through that Obedience which is of Faith other Obedience availing not they are exercising themselves according to the Leadings of
Subjection to Christ the Head to whom all Power is given in and over his Church who are Fellow-Members and Fellow-Servants of and in his Body whose Power and Prevalency with the Lord is better demonstrated by coveting to Wash each others Feet according to the Example of Christ their Lord and Master than to be in the Exercise of Outward Jurisdiction as Lords and Masters over each other For that agrees not with the Testimony of Paul Rom. 14.10 who thus said Why dost thou Judge thy Brother why dost thou despise thy Brother for we shall all appear before the Judgment-Seat of Christ for it is written saith the Lord every Knee shall bow to me and all Tongues shall Confess unto God so then every one of us shall give an account of himself to God let us not therefore Judge one another any more The consideration of these things puts me in mind that there are some who in their buisy minds are apt to be considering What sort of Joyes Heaven Yields to the Faithful after this life whenas their time would undoubtedly be much better spent in contemplating how to come thither or if they have assurance thereof to be demonstrating the Way to others if call'd thereto To this sort may such be likened who will needs give themselves the trouble to treat how far Christ's Government extends though of its encrease there is no end and in what Cases that are matters of Conscience the Church hath Power to give forth Positive Sentences that may obliege Believers though nothing can be an acceptable Bond upon the Conscience until by the Light convinc'd and that in such Cases greater Controversies may arise whether such as give forth such Sentences are the Church or no than were before concerning the Matters whereof they assume Jurisdiction and therefore of such it may be truly said That their Time might be much better spent in the Exercise of their Minds unto God that if they are not Subjects of Christ's Kingdom and under his Government they may attain thereto and be subject to his Power to whom all Power both in Heaven and Earth is given and that being thereunto attain'd may be preserved therein unto the End and be demonstrating unto others how to attain the same if call'd thereunto Concerning the Power of decision R. B. Page 66. saith as on another occasion is already quoted The only proper Judge of Controversy in the Church is the Spirit of God and is not necessarily annexed to any Persons or Person or Place whatsoever c. That is to say that any have ground to reason thus Because I am or have been such on eminent Member therefore my Judgment is infallible or because we are the Greatest Number or that we live in such a noted or famous Place though some of these reasons may and ought to have their true weight in Case of Contradictory Assertions Here I cannot but query That if the Spirit of God be the only proper Judge of Controversy in the Church as the aforesaid Author saith it is how then can there be any weight in any other thing else beside the Spirit And whether these his words viz. Some of these reasons ought to have their true weight in Case of Contradictory Assertions when relative to that which he himself concludes is unalterably seated in the Spirit of God seem not a contradiction in common sense And whether under this very Notion those who are but weak in the Faith or of a Temporizing Spirit may not have an eye to some Eminent Member or the Greatest Number or the Brethren in some noted or famous place more than to the Spirit of God and measure of his Grace in themsevles I leave to the Judicious Reader to consider Besides why are not the Meanest of the Flock the Lesser Number and some Inconsiderable Ignoble Place mentioned and that some of these also may and ought to have their true weight since the testimony of Truth hath been that God hath chosen the Foolish Weak and vile despised things of the World to confound the Wise and Mighty R. B. Further saith Page 68. First That there never will nor can be wanting in Case of Controversy the Spirit of God to give Judgment thorough some or other in the Church of Christ so long as any Assembly can properly or in any tollerable supposition be so term'd Secondly That God ordinarily hath imployed such whom he hath made use of in gathering his Church though not excluding others Thirdly That their de facto giving a positive Judgment in such Cases will not import Tyranny and Usurpation neither will the pretences of any Contradicting them or refusing to submit on the account they see it not excuse them of being guilty of Disobeying God But of these three Assertions may be collected without the least abuse of the Authors words this short ensuing sentence That a person 's not submitting to the positive Judgment touching Controversy given by any Assembly or at least by some or other of them which may in any tolerable supposition be term'd the Church of Christ is Disobedience to God though the persons refusing pretend they refuse to submit on the account they see it not By this sort of Language every one must not only now believe as the Church believes of which that I may not be misunderstood I refer the Reader to what shall be written thereon in what hereafter followes but also must believe as any Assembly or some or other of them doth which in any tolerable supposition may be term'd the Church of Christ or at least submit to such though the persons refusing shall pretend they see it not He that runs may read a body of darkness and confusion herein what a long step at once is here from under Christ's Government that now submission must be to any Assembly or some or other of them that in any tollerable supposition may be term'd Christ's Church Nay if the want of sight being laid for an excuse shall not excuse Submission may I not farther say What a long step at once is this to magnify that Devotion whereof Ignorance is the Mother and that zeal which is without knowledge Is here any room left to see and savour for our selves And if this be not an apparent mark of an Imposing Usurping Spirit and an evident Abuse to the profession of Truth and the antient Labourers therein whose Testimonies were We preach not our selves nor yet that you should be Followers of us otherwise than as you have an Inward Sense in your selves that we are Followers of Christ let God's Witness in all Judge To the same witness I cannot but yet appeal whether the submission that seems to be aimed at is not one of the greatest steps to an Apostacy that hath appeared in our Age or since the Truth hath in these latter years been publish't amongst us for I do know having been a witness of the primitive gathering and testimonies amongst us in these latter ages that one
part of the Glory of that Administration under which Thousands in these Nations were gathered unto God did consist in this that after they had been wandering from Mountain to Hill from under one form and outward Church-fellowship into another they came to be turned to the sure guide in themselves Christ's Light and warned not to look out neither to be in the Lo here 's and the Lo there 's but to be faithful to their Own Measures for that according to Pauls Testimony God's Grace was given to every one according to the Measure of the Gift of Christ But to return Let us examine how he proves his first Assertion viz. That there never will nor can be wanting in Case of Controversie the Spirit of God to give Judgment through some or other in the Church of God so long as any Assembly can properly or in any tolerable Supposition be so termed His Proof is on this wise For the first saith he To those who believe the Scriptures there will need no other Probation than that of the 28th of Matthew and the 20th And lo I am with you alway unto the End of the World And Vers 18. And the Gates of Hell shall not prevail against it How this proves the Matter to me appears not for these Scriptures do neither expresly nor by any natural Consequence say That any Assembly is the Church of Christ which may in any tolerable supposition be so termed nor yet speak any thing of Controversies arising amongst the Members of the Church of Christ Had he brought the first Scripture to prove that Christ would be with such whom he at this day makes use of to Teach all Nations as he did his Disciples at that day whilst they should teach to Observe the things that Christ to whom all Power is given commands not the Commands of Assemblies which may in any tolerable Supposition be termed the Church of Christ but the things that Christ Commands he had exactly hit the Mark But as to the Matter the aforesaid Author seems by his Words to drive at 't is far from being to the purpose And as to the second Scripture had he brought it to prove That the Gates of Hell shall not prevail against that Church which is built on the Rock Christ 't would have answered the End But alas 't is far remote from proving that God's Spirit will appear to decide Controversies in every Assembly that in any tolerable supposition can be termed Christs Church And so I cannot but conclude that these and several other Scriptures which he hath quoted as Proof of his Assertions seem rather strain'd to Vindicate what he asserts than that his Assertions are according to it on which hand he saith in his Epistle to the Reader That both Papists and Protestants have greatly gone aside which might have been a Caution to him not to have Erred in the same Path as now he hath done Let us a little further examine his Words Tolerable Supposition When we are not certain of the Truth of any thing and yet are apt to think it is or may be so we commonly say My Supposition is that it is or may be so and though the aforesaid Author adjoyns to the word Supposition Tolerable yet that ascertains nothing it only imports such a Supposition may be sufferable that is may be suffered to be a Supposition not a thing that 's Certain There are Assemblies Obvious to every Eye that knows any thing of Christianity which cannot on any Terms be supposed the Church of Christ There are other Assemblies which have several Marks and Tokens of the Church of Christ so far as several things outward profest and acted may be such and yet notwithstanding not owned by the Lord as the Church of Christ The present Age as well as Ages past yields many Presidents to prove the same for that 't is Obvious there have been many Assemblies under various Forms who profess Faith in Christ Works of Righteousness and divers Truths owned by the true Church of Christ Now whether such things profest and owned may not be ground for a tolerable supposition that such Assemblies are the Church of Christ I leave to the Judgment of the impartial and Judicious reader having this further Testimony to add that the World hath too much been troubled with the Sentences Decrees and Decisive Judgments of too many Assemblies supposed to be the Church of Christ or that on tolerable Supposition have been so termed who have rather increased than ended Controversies as History doth at large manifest And since R. B. undertakes by Reason to evidence the same I shall according to the Line of Right Reason and Truth take upon me further to discover the Fallacy of his so confident Assertion The Qualifications of a Member of Christ's Body is Sanctification through the Spirit Wheresoever any number of Persons so qualified are Assembled in Christs Name there is the Church of Christ though they are of that number who are of the lowest Degree or Rank in the Body Now an Assembly of such Members may be as Insensible and void of Understanding in many Divine Matters and Mysteries relating to the Kingdom of God as the Ear of the natural Body may be Insensible of what the Eye doth see and so may have Cases of Controversies brought before them whereof they are no more competent Judges not being Gifted thereunto by the Spirit than the Eye of the natural Body is capable to distinguish between the Diversities of Voices and Sounds or the Ear of Diversities of Colours and yet may be all Faithful in their Places walking according to their respective Measures of Grace which God hath given them so that none can in Truth say such an Assembly may not properly be called the Church of Christ being built upon him their Rock and having perfect Fellowship each with other in the Life of Righteousness Obj. And whereas some may be ready to Object and say Why dost thou seem to reflect on this Sort of Language We must Believe as the Church Believes * Note This Question is stated in a Printed Book and publish't by one called a Quaker whose name is omitted for the reason mentioned in the Preface to the First Part. Is not the true Church in the true Faith and must we not either Believe thus as the true Church Believes or else do we not manifest both Folly and Hypocrisy to profess ourselves Members thereof Answer To this Objection having in my foregoing Lines used such an Expression I thus say The General Assembly and Church of the First Born are written in Heaven Heb. 12.23 But I do not find that this General Assembly set forth their Creed recorded on Earth by that I thus mean I do not find any certain number of Articles of Faith written in the Scriptures of Truth which every Member of this General Assembly did Believe and which every one who should come to be gathered into the Fellowship of Christs Body
sprang through an Inward Departure from the Anointing in themselves Obedience whereunto according to the respective Measures of Grace given of God and received by each Member was a manifestation of that wherein the Unity of the Body stands and as the Apostacy entered no doubt but the Traditions and Rudiments of Men came to be exalted against which the Apostle Paul cautioned the Colossians saying Col. 2.8 Beware lest there be any that spoyl you through the Traditions of Men according to the Rudiments of the World and not after Christ but yet notwithstanding I Question whether any have been greater Pretenders to Unity than those who have been exalting the Traditions of Men and shall leave it to the Judicious Reader to consider whether a sufficient Evidence hereof appears not in divers Apostatised * Note * Men of prejudiced Spirits may conclude that I herein strike at the true Church God forbid I should so do for the true Church never exalted the Traditions and Rudiments of Men for though the Apostle said in 2 Thes 2.15 Hold the Traditions which ye have been taught yet his very Prayer in the next verse That the Lord would establish them in every good Word and Work shews that his Desire was not that any should follow the Traditions of any further than the Lord might establish them therein and this was far from following the Rudiments and Traditions of Men of Imposing his Traditions otherwise than according as they should be establish't therein by the Lord. Churches professing Christianity wherein is establish't by Outward means what is to be Believed and what is to be practised and yet doubtless as remote from the Unity wherein the Fellowship of the Saints in Light doth consist as the East is from the West and so in their Unity being but Outward have found no more acceptance with the Lord than the Vnworthy Eaters did whilest they discerned not the Lords Body Many of Gods People yet in the Body are Witnesses that one part of that Testimony which accompanied the Servants of the Lord in those latter Days was against Outward Forms Traditions Prescriptions Decrees Ordinances of men with relation to Matters Spiritual and Divine and wherein the Consciences of Gods People might be concerned as being those Rudiments of the World out of which he hath determined to gather his People for to the Children of Light they appeared more agreeable to the Nature and Tenour of the First-Covenant than the Second and not only so but to establish his Church on the Rock Christ that so as they received him they might walk in him according to their respective Measures of Grace given them of God to profit withal and which as the Apostle declared was sufficient for them Now Inasmuch as the Testimony of Truth hath been that what God leads out of he usually leads not into again I appeal to Gods Witness in all Consciences whether an Indispensable Establishment of Outward Orders Prescriptions and Decrees for the Members of the Church of Christ to walk by and submit unto at this Day and wherein the Liberty of their Consciences may be invaded of which my meaning is no other Liberty than what the Gospel allows doth not seem to exalt that sort of Unity wherein the Fellowship of the Saints in Light doth not consist and so consequently may become the means to draw the Minds of Gods People outward and to cause them to look at Outward things under the notition of Things establish't in the Church more than to the Anointing in themselves let Gods Witness in every Conscience Judge Objection But perhaps some may object and say May not a false Liberty get strength by a Plea for a Gospel-Liberty I answer nay For such a Plea being righteous Sin and Iniquity which is a false Liberty cannot get strength thereby And though I do confess the Enemy of mans Soul may make use thereof as the Devil did make use of Scripture when he tempted Christ to throw himself down from the Pinacle of the Temple saying The Lord shall give his Angels charge concerning thee yet 't is not reasonable to conclude a just Plea can strengthen any in a fleshly Liberty but the Tempter may if he prevail However I cannot see it yet to be my Duty to cease to do good though another may pretend that thereby evil may abound and since R. B. speaks Page 28. of a false Pretence of Liberty and that as I take his Lines to import with respect to Disobedience to certain things ordained relating to Order in the Church it s with me to describe What that Liberty of Conscience is which is according to the Gospel And in order thereunto 't is necessary to consider that the Gospel is Glad-tidings of Salvation which is not attained but by witnessing the end for which Christ was manifest in the Flesh and that was to save People from their Sins hence I conclude a Pleafor a Gospel Liberty of Conscience is a Plea for a Freedom of the Conscience from Sin and so consequently a Plea for a false Liberty of Conscience is that which pleads for Sin Objection I am yet Sensible that some may yet further thus object The difference lies not here for we find many who contend for Liberty of Conscience to plead against all Sin and that many who would not have it extend so large as thou seemest to plead for do also plead against all Sin and therefore thy distinction doth not yet satisfie To this then I thus say The true Professours of Religion say Heaven is the Mark they aim at and that this is not attainable without Peace of Conscience and that every man must give an account of himself to God Hence the Law of Divine Nature teacheth us that since we must give account for our selves we ought not to be imposed upon but suffered to believe for our selves and whosoever on that score and no Evil End claimes a Liberty of Conscience it ought to be granted him and this is not contrary to that Liberty which the Gospel allows If then any who deny all Pleas for Sin rest disatisfied in their Consciences touching certain Orders ordained by some for the Church to practise and refuse the practise thereof on this score that they have no Faith touching their Service in the Church this cannot properly be called a Plea under a false Pretence of Liberty but rather a just and righteous Plea according to that Liberty of Conscience which the Gospel allows To conclude let us all watch against that Spirit that would insinuate a Belief that we ought to follow the Commands Traditions and Examples of Men when Gods Witness in our Consciences answers not otherwise such Insinuations though none of the ancient Labourers in the primitive gathering may either stand by or own the same may make way for men principled as R. B. by his small Treatise seems to be to assume Authority to Command and Rule not only over such their Brethren whom they have been
Nations are not to be blamed for all their Idolatry Wickedness and Superstition for that they are not sensible of the Evil of it whereas Truth teaches us to believe that had they been Faithfull to the small measure of Light in things more obvious it would have further opened and manifested other things Then should not the Jews have been condemned for crucifying Christ since Peter says they did it ignorantly and Paul testifies that if they had known they would not have crucified the Lord of Glory Yea then all those that persecuted and burned the Protestant-Martyrs were not to be Judged for it because they supposed they did well in it even according to Christ's Testimony who says that in killing you they shall think they do God good Service shall men then never be condemned for doing evil or omitting their Duty because they see it not what absurdity would folthereupon may easily appear and yet it is strange that W. R. in his Papers should labour so much against this affirming very positively that nothing ought to be given forth in the Church of Christ but by way of recommendation not of command wherein he doth either greatly mistake the matter as affirmed by me or otherways run into a far greater inconveniency than he is aware for if he mean that no man of or from himself only or by vertue of any office or place he either hath or hath born in the Church of Christ ought to Command any things to be performed in the Church I freely agree to it and have asserted the same in very full and ample termes But if he will say that no man albeit really moved by the Spirit of God ought to go further than a meer reomendation it is a most insolent limiting of God under a false pretence of Liberty will necessarily conclude that God hath not Power to command any thing unless men be content to agree to it For the Controversy is here drawn to a narrow Compass for he that will allow that God hath Power to command things to be practised in the Church and that those Commands must be conveyed by immediate Revelation through some of the Members of the Church and that it may fall out that some of the Members of the Church may thorough weakness or unwatchfulness not be sensible they must either acknowledge that such are to be condemned or say that God hath not Power to Command or that there is no such Revelations now a Days as do the Priests and Truths Enemies or that Man is not Condemnable for Disobeying God if he believe it not to be his Duty which is as much as to say that Unbelief is no Sin Now let these things be seriously considered how this is or can be avoided without granting the things affirmed by me for what way the Truth can be asserted the Honour and just Authority of God acknowledged the necessity and continuance of immediate Revelation affirmed and the Iniquity of Unbelief not justified and the just Judgement of God upon the Rebellious and Disobedient vindicated without affirming what I have done And if any can do this in words more wary than I have done I shall very readily agree to it For that things may be proposed to the Church by way of Command and further than a meer Recommendation the whole Current of the Scriptures shews not only to the Church among the Jews where Moses and the Prophets do propose the Will of God to be performed very positively and peremtorily but even under the New-Covenant as appears in the 15th of the Acts and in many places of Pauls Epistles particularly that on 2 Thes 3.14 If any Man obey not our Word by this Epistle note that Man and have no Company with him that he may be ashamed This then being manifested with respect to those times I would know of W. R. whether Christ has now lost any of his Authority or has left off to rule his church immediately by his Spirit whether so to affirm be not grossely to contradict the Ancient and Primitive Doctrine of Friends W. R 's Tenth Observation [k] [k] This is not my Concern having given no Occasion in my Answer for this his Defence and therefore do make no reply thereto Fifthly Whereas some did suppose that I did make the Difference in the End but very small betwixt Decissive Judgement among Friends and among Papists and other Persons because I say they place the Decisive Judgement in the Plurality of an Assembly made up of their chief Teachers and Ministers and albeit I limit it not to that yet I seem to affirm That it most usually is so conveyed and so the difference only is that they make it always so and I most usually To this I answer that if in Charity I may suppose this insinuation comes not from malice at least it proceeds from great Ignorance of the Popish Principles and it were better for such to be silent than to Judge of things they do not understand for the Difference here is very Great and Fundamental in respect both Papists and others do affirm that men by vertue of an Outward succession or vocation may have true Right to sit and give Judgment in such Assemblies albeit they be void of true Holiness and have not the Grace of God which they say is no necessary qualification to the being of a Minister so that they Place the Power of Judgment not onely in the plurality of Votes absolutely in which we differ from them but also in the Judgment of such as may without any absurdity by their own Principles be supposed to be all and each of them void of the true Grace of God and whom even supposing them to be Gracious they Affirm not at all to be led by the immediate Spirit of Christ which they say is now ceased now can there be a greater difference than is betwixt these two to wit to affirm that the Power of decision is in an Assembly of men to being Members of which assembly the Grace of God is no necessary qualification and who deny any such thing as to be immediately led by the Spirit of Christ as a thing not attainable in these Dayes and yet that all Christians must be Subject to what the Plurality of such an Assembly so Constitute do determin And to Affirm that the Power of Decision is onely and alone in the Spirit not necessarily tied to a general assembly but if it please God to make use of such an assembly yet neither to the Plurality of them but in and thorough such of his Servants as he sees meet and that none are capable or can be supposed to be Members of such an assembly or esteemed such from whom such a Judgment can be expected or ought to be received unless they be men in whom the Grace of God not onely is but has truly wrought to mortify and regenerate them in a good Measure in whom the Judgment of Truth really
copy of a Letter pretended to be given forth by W. R. Friends IT was upon me for several weeks past if any occasion would in any wise permit to come up to the City of London to be present among Friends from divers parts of the Nation at this time that so I might have Opportunity to confer with Friends who were dissatisfied with me touching what I had written in Answer to Robert Barclays Book of Government And a few dayes before my coming up Robert Barclay being in London writ unto me to come up that we might have a Conference at large touching the same This his Request had the greater Obligation upon me to be present in London at this Time On Conference had with him we agreed that a Free-Meeting might be had with Friends in whose Presence Robert Barclay and my self might in all Coolness and Moderation conferr together that so all Mis-understandings might be removed and the Truth be evidenced to the Consciences of the Brethren then present The Meeting for this End was this day had and a very Christian and fair Debate was had to the Satisfaction of both of us as far as I can understand and the matters chiefly objected by me were fairly and Brother-like and in much Love discoursed and upon the whole Matter I am satisfied that Robert Barclay is not Principled so as I and others have taken his Book to import In particular he doth declare That his Book teacheth not that the Church of Christ hath Jurisdiction over the Outward Concerns of Friends in case of Difference without the Assent of the Differing Parties and that it was far from his Intention For his Intention as he declares was only to manifest that Friends ought to submit their Cases of Difference to the Decision of the Church and in Case of Refractoriness that Such Persons Ought to be Disowned That though Robert Barclay in one Place affirms to this purpose That there never will or can be wanting in case of Controversy the Spirit of God to give Judgement through some or other in the Church of Christ so long as any Assembly can properly or in any tolerable Supposition be so term'd He declares that the words were Sound and further sayeth that thereby he intends no other but such Assemblies as in reality and Truth may be termed the Church of Christ And whereas he sayeth to this purpose That 't is Disobedience to God not to submit to the Sentence of such Assemblies though the Persons refusing to submit pretend they see it not yet he declares that his meaning thereby is not that if they submit before Conviction of Conscience they therein find Acceptance with the Lord but rather to shew that their want of Sight is through Disobedience or unwatchfulness to the Grace of God in themselves which if they did take heed thereunto would shew it their Duty to obey We also had Discourse touching his Assertion that Principles and Doctrines c. believed through the Force of Truth on the Understanding are as it were the Terms and in another Place the Book produced it appeared that he asserted there was a more Inward Bond viz. the Life of Righteousness and that the Book declareth that we are gathered into the Belief of the Principles and Doctrines by the Truth and its Power and Influence upon our Hearts and the very Bond by which we became Centered into one Body and Fellowship c. and on a Debate thereof he acknowledged that his meaning was not they were the Original Bond but rather as Fruits and Branches of that Bond and so in that respect might be as an Outward Bond whereby we are United in an Heavenly Society We had also some Discourse touching his Title Page wherein he asserts that the Ancient Apostolick Order of the Church of Christ is Re-establish't on its right Basis and Foundation touching which he declareth That his meaning is not only with respect to all the Outward Orders and Forms of Discipline in Government amongst us but also with respect to the Power of God which in the Primitive Dayes was and now is the great Order of the Gospel And though Robert Barclay hath given these Explications of his meaning yet the very Explication as he sayeth are to be found in his Book if duely weighed Having given you an account in short of what was discoursed this day amongst Friends this further lies upon me to signifie unto you on the behalf of R. Barclay I am satisfyed that he is not Principled as I and many by some Passages in his Book took him to be and since it is so that many have taken an offence against him for that Cause as may be doubted even so far as to Reject his Testimony and Service for the Truth it lyeth upon me as my Duty even for his and the Truths sake to warn all that they take heed not to entertain Prejudice against his Testimony or Jealousyes that may enter on the score of any apprehensions or mistakes of his Book and that Answer that I have given thereto but rather in an unprejudiced Spirit to wait on the Lord to feel and Savour his Testimony even as if the occasion taken had never been And I do Freely confess that inasmuch as I Publisht my Book before I gave Robert Barclay notice of my Objections and Intentions therein I acted in that Respect not according to Gospel Order but am Justly worthy of blame therein It is with me also to signifie to you that I am abundantly satisfied that Robert Barclays Book of Government was Written at or before the time of its Date for that he Solemnly Affirms it was so William Rogers The Coppy of a Paper given forth by Charles Marshal and Thirty six Persons more Forasmuch as William Rogers of Bristol hath lately written a Manuscript against a Book of Robert Barclays Entituled The Anarchy of the Ranters and approved at the Second days Meeting at London and hath dispersed his Manuscript in Several Parts of this Nation without so much as first giving either to the said Robert Barclay in Particular or the Second Days Meeting in General any account of his Scruples or Dissatisfaction concerning the said Book of Robert Barclay contrary to all Rules of Brotherly Love Christian-Fellowship Gospel-Order and the Exemplary Practice of the Church of Christ to the Defamation of the said Robert Barclay the great Derogation from the Christian Authority of the said Meeting and the general Dis-service to Truth especially being sent unto Persons who at present are Disaffected to the present Unity of the Body of Friends And whereas on the Seventh Day of the Fourth Moneth 77. We whose Names are Under Written were met together in the City of London in the pure Fear and Holy Dread of the Lord God Almihty to hear what the said William Rogers had Objected against the said Book of Robert Barclay it appeared to us upon a Deliberate Serious and Impartial Hearing of the Matter in controversy that the