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Master Bakewells sea of absurdities concerning sprinkling calmely driven back / by Peter Chamberlen, 12 April, 1650.
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Chamberlen, Peter, 1601-1683.
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To beare great Ships To vvater the Earth to vvash and bath no nor to sprinkle neither Or vvhat vvould you have to follow That as one drop of vvater is vvater as vvell as the vvhole Ocean so is one part of the body a Body as vvell as the vvhole Body This concludes nothing to your purpose Or that as one drop of vvater is vvaetr as vvell as the vvhole Ocean so if one part of the body be sprinkled all the body is sprinkled The similitude vvil not hold nor follow but trie the practise of it vvhen your face is foule vvash your feet and see vvhether your face vvill be any vvhit the cleaner 2. You say there is no measure of water prescribed onely it must be vvater No more there is for your Bread yet one drop vvill not suffize to make Dowe nor vvill one drop serve to vvash your hands or feet vvhen you go to knead it and it vvere ridiculous for the Apostle to mention that John vvas baptizing in Aenon BECAUSE THERE WAS MUCH WATER THERE if one drop vvould have served the turne but so there be enough it is no matter vvhether it be in Jordan or Aenon or the Wildernesse Act 8. or the River vvithout the City of Philippi Act. 16.13 3. You say to as little purpose that the baptized may be under one drop as vvell as under a Tunne so he may be under a Tunne as vvell as one drop and vve are daily under more in the Cloudes but vvhat vvould you inferre thereon That a man may be buried and plunged or drowned vvith one drop or by being under one drop as vvell as by being under a Tunne He may indeed be as drie under a Tunne as under one drop so the Vessell leake not in the sense you mentioned last of the Childs being under the Ministers handfull of vvater but not so soone buried or plunged vvith one drop as vvith a Tunne of vvater and if the Sextone afforded but one graine of earth upon each body that vvere to be buried I believe each Nostril vvould soon complain there vvere not sufficient But 4. you as desperately attempt to clear this by the Conference of Jesus Christ with Peter about the washing of his Feet Jo. 13.8 Read on to the 10. verse He that is Washed saith he or he that is already Baptized needeth not save to cleanse or wash his feete c This shewes say you from the 8. verse instancing in me for with me as almost in all the Scriptures you quote you mistake somewhat this shewes that washing was sacramentall If you mean it is a Sacrament why do you not so practise it If it be the Sacrament of Baptisme why do not your Ministers wash the feet of Infants as Christ did his Disciples rather then sprinkle the face onely which Christ never did When you have spoken your last you come with 3. OBIECTIONS for plunging from Act 8.38 Mat. 3.6 Rom. 6.4 To the first you answer that every Pit or River in those hot Countries were not alwayes brim-full of water Be it so Therefore every Pit which you make a Synonyma to a River was not chosen but the chief River Jordan and Aenon because there was much water You say they might go into the Pit and not go into the water The Lord deliver us from the Pit where there is no water Jer. 39.6 Zach. 9.11 but the Text answers your Cavel if you would at all heed what the word saith that in the Baptisme of Jesus and the Eunuch where the manner of Baptizing is particularly mentioned they went both down into the water and they came up out of the water not into the Pit and out of the Pit Mark 1.9.10 Act 8.39 To the 2. you affirme that the Greek word which I suppose you can neither write nor read which is 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 or 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 in the Infinitive doth signifie as well to SPRINKLE as to PLUNGE whereas all the Schollers in Europe cannot finde it so used in any Greek Author nor others but of late some Latine Authors from the practise have rashly printed what you here affirme Which if it should be granted and your Testament so interpreted heare a little your own Absurdities Mat. 3.1 In those dayes came John the SPRINKLER preaching in the Wildernes of Jordan Then went out to him Jerusalem and all Judea and all the Region round about Jordan and were SPRINKLED of him in Jordan the River Mark 1.5 John 3.22 After these things came Jesus and his Disciples into the Land of Judea and there he tarried with them and SPRINKLED verse 23. And John also was SPRINKLING in Aenon BECAUSE there was MUCH WATER there and they came and were SPRINKLED Mark 1.19 And it came to passe in those dayes that Jesus came from Nazareth of Galilee and was SPRINKLED of John 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 into Jordan verse 10. And straightway coming up ut of the water c. Act 8.30 And they went down both into the water both Philip and the Eunuch and he SPRINKLED him verse 39. And when they came out of the Water the Spirit caught away Philip. So Gal. 3.27 As many as have been SPRINKLED into Christ have put on Christ and Col. 2.12 BURIED with him in SPRINKLING wherein also ye are risen with him But I confesse this sort of bettering the Transiation I shall not like in my Bible Yet not content with all these Absurdities you say you might adde more of plunging in water and danger of lives and you condemn men of murther for having plunged in winter yet name none that were murthered nor executed for that murther nor is there any proof save you own Authentick Imagination To avoid the hardship of Winter the Common-prayer-Book will tell you in the preamble that Easter and Whitsuntide were therefore appointed by the Ancients for fit times of Baptisme And the Winter-Baptizing of Children in Wales will sufficiently testifie that you foist in your own untruths by the strength of your own distracted Imagination In answer to the 3 Objection from Rom. 6.4 you would take a great advantage because there is no mention of water and will make it a drie Baptisme When you bid your man wash your Cup or Glasse unles you bid him do it with water doth it signifie nothing But let him that is diligent read the Texts Rom. 6.4 Col. 2.12 1 Cor. 1.8 and satisfie themselves To as little purpose do you bring in all the other places of Scripture and therefore I shall trouble my self no futrher in the particulars of them Nor do I intend further to be at Charges of printing a satisfaction to every one that Scribles after having spent and lost so much for the publick and repayed with so much injustice and ingratitude Nor will I meddle at present with the lawfullnesle or unlawfulnesse of your Ministry which you bring in by head and shoulders Therefore you may well perceive by my patience in answering your weak Arguments and by my waving all your words of provocation and censure as of Pride like Tyrus Questions of strife Janglings that I know nothing P. 2. Popish Pilgrimage P. 4. to abide in the Asse or with the Asse P. 8. and his invention who was a murtherer P. 7. Anabaptists P. 6. mad and drunk P. 3. Dippers plunged in a Sea of Absurdities in the Title Renouncing of Baptisme denying of God Devills Heaven Hell Grace Glory and the like that I am not al ogether so proud as you censured me but that I desire in meekness and lowlinesse of Spirit to win you and all of your opinion not to mine but to the truths of God which the Lord grant through Jesus Christ Amen FINIS The late coming forth of this Impression is to be amongst the Errata of the Printer He that desires to be satisfied of the point may read the Scriptures and the Disputes between Mr. Denne and Mr. Tombes Dr. Featly and Mr. Marshall And Mr. Blackwells storming of Antichrist And Mr. Laurence his Treatise of Baptise Or the Book entituled the Vanity of Childrens Baptismes c. But they that are like Gallie Act 14.15.16.17.18 may let all alone