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which_o i_o give_v you_o at_o large_a from_o they_o pag._n 234._o of_o which_o he_o take_v not_o the_o least_o notice_n three_o that_o i_o bring_v in_o durandus_fw-la durandus_fw-la durandus_fw-la a_o severe_a encmy_n against_o anabaptist_n as_o a_o witness_n against_o infant_n baptism_n p._n 146._o the_o quite_o contrary_a he_o will_v find_v be_v true_a in_o my_o pag._n 242._o where_o i_o proauce_n he_o as_o the_o great_a enemy_n and_o persecutor_n of_o bruno_n and_o berengarius_fw-la for_o their_o witness_n against_o infant_n baptism_n and_o be_v it_o not_o very_o injurious_a and_o conterdictious_a for_o he_o to_o own_o that_o durandus_fw-la be_v so_o severe_a a_o enemy_n against_o anabaptist_n and_o yet_o not_o to_o acknowledge_v and_o allow_v i_o bruno_n and_o berengarius_fw-la my_o two_o witness_n i_o produce_v for_o deny_v infant_n baptism_n that_o he_o persecute_v the_o same_o it_o be_v true_a durandus_fw-la be_v in_o the_o index_n i_o do_v not_o know_v how_o put_v among_o the_o witness_n but_o the_o say_a index_n direct_v to_o the_o page_n where_o the_o story_n be_v right_o tell_v you_o and_o from_o whence_o he_o have_v the_o account_n what_o a_o enemy_n he_o be_v to_o the_o anabaptist_n apamen_n bishop_n of_o apamen_n four_o that_o the_o bishop_n of_o apamen_n etc._n etc._n be_v mention_v among_o my_o witness_n and_o pag._n 231._o say_v to_o be_v for_o anabaptism_n yet_o not_o say_v to_o be_v against_o infant_n baptism_n pag._n 146._o but_o the_o late_a century_n writer_n so_o call_v they_o in_o a_o modern_a sense_n we_o have_v no_o reason_n to_o doubt_v it_o five_o that_o i_o have_v nothing_o to_o evidence_n that_o peter_n bruis_n bruis_n pet._n bruis_n deny_v infant_n baptism_n but_o the_o impudent_a story_n of_o two_o lying_z abotâ—_z when_o he_o know_v i_o produce_v three_o or_o four_o evidence_n more_o to_o prove_v it_o and_o he_o also_o know_v that_o those_o pretend_a absurdety_n he_o will_v bring_v upon_o the_o two_o abbot_n viz._n cluniacenses_fw-la and_o bernard_n be_v lie_v forgery_n of_o his_o own_o which_o i_o shall_v present_o demonstrate_v six_o that_o i_o have_v no_o ground_n to_o say_v â—hat_n wickliff_n wickliff_n wickliff_n deny_v infant_n baptism_n p._n 146._o when_o i_o produce_v so_o much_o evidence_n to_o prove_v it_o which_o you_o have_v from_o p._n 283._o to_o 289._o demonstrate_v that_o he_o not_o only_o affirm_v that_o believer_n be_v the_o only_a subject_n of_o baptism_n but_o withal_o that_o child_n be_v not_o sacramental_o to_o be_v baptize_v and_o what_o can_v be_v more_o express_a evidence_n in_o the_o case_n another_o piece_n of_o injurious_a deal_n detect_v a_o notorious_a fallacy_n &_o abuse_v detect_v i_o have_v to_o complain_v against_o our_o author_n for_o be_v for_o his_o father_n so_o notorious_a a_o fallacy_n upon_o the_o reader_n and_o abuse_v upon_o myself_o in_o affirm_v that_o i_o produce_v a_o great_a bede-role_n of_o witness_n against_o infant_n baptism_n who_o be_v so_o firm_o for_o it_o as_o i_o in_o contra_fw-la diction_n to_o myself_o grant_v viz._n austin_n chrysostome_n pag._n 25._o of_o he_o and_o theophilact_v anselme_n bede_n gregory_n anslbertus_n albertus_n lombard_n etc._n etc._n and_o the_o three_o counsel_n of_o bracarens_n tollatan_n and_o constantinople_n in_o his_o recapitulation_n p._n 139_o etc._n etc._n whereas_o i_o have_v again_o and_o â—gain_o say_v that_o i_o produce_v they_o not_o as_o positive_a witness_n against_o infant_n baptism_n there_o be_v not_o one_o of_o they_o in_o my_o catalogue_n which_o will_v have_v be_v madness_n indeed_o whâ—n_o i_o have_v bring_v they_o in_o among_o those_o that_o have_v asseâ—ted_v infant_n baptism_n but_o for_o these_o reason_n only_o viz._n 1._o first_o to_o show_v what_o strong_a argument_n witness_n why_o person_n own_v infant_n baptism_n be_v produce_v for_o witness_n so_o agree_v to_o the_o scripture_n institution_n and_o pattern_n they_o have_v themselves_o produce_v for_o believer_n baptism_n only_o viz._n from_o the_o necessity_n of_o confession_n and_o profession_n of_o faith_n and_o repentance_n before_o baptism_n 2._o second_o upon_o what_o weak_a and_o erroneous_a ground_n they_o assert_v infant_n baptism_n also_o most_o of_o which_o i_o have_v give_v pro_fw-la and_o con_v that_o their_o contradiction_n not_o i_o may_v appear_v 3._o three_o that_o that_o which_o they_o make_v to_o reconcile_v that_o contradiction_n may_v appear_v insignificant_a viz._n the_o confession_n and_o profession_n of_o gossip_n or_o surety_n for_o they_o of_o which_o the_o scripture_n make_v no_o mention_n and_o whereby_o all_o the_o former_a authority_n for_o believer_n baptism_n may_v appear_v good_a for_o we_o and_o against_o themselves_o church_n the_o witness_n produce_v from_o church_n have_v thus_o clear_v my_o testimony_n give_v in_o from_o particular_a person_n i_o come_v in_o the_o next_o place_n to_o examine_v what_o he_o have_v say_v to_o the_o witness_n produce_v from_o the_o several_a church_n i_o have_v mention_v viz._n the_o waldenses_n donatist_n britain_n &c._n &c._n concern_v who_o he_o be_v please_v thus_o to_o express_v himself_o p._n 129._o and_o in_o reference_n to_o the_o confidence_n of_o my_o antagonist_n that_o the_o waldenses_n donatist_n and_o britain_n be_v all_o against_o infante_n baptism_n when_o none_o of_o they_o be_v make_v good_a the_o proverb_n pertureant_a montes_n etc._n etc._n but_o what_o cause_n he_o have_v for_o this_o confident_a vain_a glorious_a boast_n will_v soon_o be_v try_v the_o witness_v bear_v by_o the_o waldenses_n against_o infant_n baptism_n justify_v baptism_n the_o 4._o fold_n evidence_n to_o prove_v the_o wald._n deny_v infant_n baptism_n the_o first_o he_o oppose_v be_v thâ—t_v of_o the_o waldenses_n who_o witness_n against_o infant_n baptism_n i_o make_v good_a from_o a_o four_o fold_v demonstration_n viz._n fit_v from_o their_o confession_n of_o faith_n second_o from_o the_o witness_n bear_v thereto_o by_o their_o most_o eminent_a men._n three_o from_o the_o decree_n of_o counsel_n pope_n and_o emperor_n against_o the_o body_n of_o the_o people_n for_o the_o same_o and_o four_o from_o the_o footstep_n thereof_o they_o have_v leave_v in_o the_o several_a region_n and_o country_n where_o they_o have_v be_v disperse_v upon_o which_o he_o make_v this_o follow_a reply_n pag._n 46._o viz._n that_o there_o be_v two_o sort_n of_o people_n that_o it_o be_v like_a will_v be_v impose_v upon_o by_o the_o flourish_v which_o this_o champion_n make_v those_o who_o be_v ignorant_a and_o those_o who_o be_v prejudice_v against_o infant_n baptism_n no_o doubt_n but_o all_o this_o will_v pass_v for_o gospel_n among_o such_o but_o i_o may_v say_v of_o the_o author_n multa_fw-la loquor_fw-la sed_fw-la nihil_fw-la dicit_fw-la or_o rather_o probat_fw-la and_o that_o which_o he_o say_v be_v but_o vox_fw-la &_o praeterea_fw-la nihil_fw-la a_o great_a sound_n of_o word_n but_o no_o proof_n and_o this_o he_o promise_v to_o make_v appear_v in_o order_n to_o the_o first_o as_o to_o the_o confession_n of_o faith_n he_o say_v two_o thing_n first_o that_o there_o be_v no_o such_o confession_n to_o be_v find_v of_o that_o nature_n nor_o any_o thing_n that_o look_v like_o a_o confession_n unless_o it_o be_v in_o utopia_n pag._n 111._o but_o my_o adversary_n have_v a_o notable_a dexterity_n to_o prove_v quidlibet_fw-la ex_fw-la quolibet_fw-la p._n 46._o second_o that_o the_o quite_o contrary_a appear_v by_o their_o contrary_a confession_n of_o faith_n witness_v how_o firm_o they_o do_v assert_v infant_n baptism_n pag._n 46_o and_o 64._o etc._n etc._n to_o both_o which_o i_o answer_v first_o that_o it_o may_v be_v manifest_a to_o the_o reader_n that_o their_o confession_n of_o faith_n do_v indeed_o exclude_v infant_n from_o baptism_n i_o shall_v give_v in_o a_o parallel_n betwixt_o what_o their_o confession_n say_v and_o what_o he_o in_o the_o repetition_n thereof_o make_v they_o say_v and_o leave_v it_o to_o judgement_n how_o fair_o he_o have_v deal_v therein_o what_o their_o confession_n be_v as_o p._n 239_o etc._n etc._n faith_n the_o waldenses_n confession_n of_o faith_n that_o god_n have_v not_o only_o instruct_v we_o by_o his_o word_n but_o have_v also_o ordain_v certain_a sacrament_n to_o be_v join_v with_o it_o as_o a_o mean_n to_o unite_v we_o unto_o and_o to_o make_v we_o partaker_n of_o his_o benefit_n and_o that_o there_o be_v only_o two_o of_o they_o belong_v in_o common_a to_o all_o member_n of_o the_o church_n under_o the_o new_a testament_n viz._n baptism_n and_o the_o lord_n supper_n we_o do_v believe_v that_o in_o the_o sacrament_n of_o baptism_n water_n be_v the_o visible_a and_o external_n sign_n which_o represent_v unto_o we_o that_o which_o by_o the_o invisible_a virtue_n of_o god_n operate_n be_v within_o we_o viz._n the_o renovation_n of_o the_o spirit_n and_o the_o mortification_n of_o our_o member_n in_o jesus_n christ_n by_o which_o also_o we_o be_v receive_v into_o the_o holy_a