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A85408 Philadelphia: or, XL. queries peaceably and inoffensively propounded for the discovery of truth in this question, or case of conscience; whether persons baptized (as themselves call baptism) after a profession of faith, may, or may not, lawfully, and with good conscience, hold communion with such churches, who judg themselves truly baptized, though in infancy, and before such a profession? Together with some few brief touches about infant, and after-baptism. By J.G. a minister of the gospel of Jesus Christ. Goodwin, John, 1594?-1665. 1653 (1653) Wing G1189; Thomason E702_7; ESTC R207109 25,228 32

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themselves are to be understood with limitation and restraine These things are sufficiently known to persons any thing conversant in the Scriptures 2. Neither is it here said nor is it a thing in it self much probable that ONLY they who were baptized were added unto them i. e. to the pre-ex●stent number of Disciples but only and simply that there were the number of three thousand added the same day Within which number it is the probable opinion of some that the children and families of those who are said to have gladly received the Word are comprehended it being no ways likely scarce possible that 3000 men should distinctly hear the voyce of a man speaking especially unless we shall suppose that these 3000 stood nearest unto him that spake and with the best advantage to hear there being many thousands more present which can hardly be the supposition of any considering man in the case in hand Nor 3. Is it said or so much as intimated or hinted in the least that any of the whole number of the three thousand who were added unto them were added by means or upon the account of their being baptized although this addition be not mentioned till after their baptizing It is ten degrees more probable that their beleeving or discipleship which according to the principles of those Brethren themselves with whom we now argue were precedent to their baptizing and not their being baptized were the reason and ground of Luke's saying they were added unto the Church or former number of Disciples considering 1. That the original main and principal foundation of the holy brotherhood amongst the Saints and that which makes them fellow-members or members one of another is not the Ceremony of their external Baptism but their fellowship and communion in the divine Nature and inward relation unto the same Christ by one and the same precious Faith 2. That it cannot be demonstratively proved from the Scriptures that those hundred and twenty Disciples Act. 1. 15. unto which it is here said that three thousand were added were or had been all of them baptized in as much as as will presently appear there were divers members of Churches in the Apostles days who were unbaptized no nor can it any whit more be proved from Scripture that the Apostles themselves mentioned Act. 1. 13. had been baptized then that John the Baptist was baptized 3. And lastly That had the Church or persons unto whom these three thousand are said to have been added been estimated by their having been baptized which must be supposed if those who are added to them are said to have been added upon the account of their being baptized their number must needs have far exceeded an hundred and twenty considering the great numbers and vast multitudes of persons that had been baptized by John Mat. 3. 5 6. compared with Mark 1. 5. Luk. 3. 7 21. as also by Christ himself and his Disciples Joh. 3. 22 26. Yea had the Church been estimated or constituted by Baptism the Evangelist Luke intending questionless Act. 4. 4. to report the increase of the Church and progress of the Gospel with as much advantage as truth would afford had prevaricated with the cause which he intended to promote in reporting their number to have been about five thousand only when as upon the said supposition and the tenor of the late premisses he might with as much Truth have reported them about forty thousand yea and many more Howbeit many of them which heard the Word BELEEVED and the number of the men were about five thousand In which passage the increase of the Church or addition unto the former Saints is with much more pregnancy of intimation ascribed unto their beleeving then in the other place it is unto their being baptized Therefore both men and women who are indeed tender of Conscience in things appertaining unto God had need have a better foundation to bear them out in their practise of rending and tearing Churches or if this name will not pass of rending and tearing holy Societies and fellowships of Saints then any thing that can be so much as tolerably inferred from the Text now argued Act. 2. 41. IV. Whether did not the Church of Christ at Rome in the Apostles days and so also the Churches in Galatia hold Church-communion with some who were not baptized considering 1. That the Apostle to the former writeth thus Know ye not that SO MANY OF US as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death Rom. 6. 3. and to the latter after the same manner thus For AS MANY OF YOU as have been baptized into Christ Gal. 3. 27. 2. That this particle {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} as many as used in both places is in such constructions as these always partitive distinguishing or dividing the entire number of persons spoken of some from others by the character or property specified or at least supposeth a possibility of such a distinction {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} as many as touched the hem of his garment were made whole Mat. 14. 36. This clearly supposeth either that there were some or at least that there might be some who did not thus touch So again They brought in all AS MANY AS they found c. Mat. 22. 10. So AS MANY i. e. as many men and women as are of the works of the Law are under the curse Gal. 3. 10. See also Mark 3. 10. 6. 11 56. Luk. 4 40. Ioh. 1. 12. Act. 3. 24 with others more of like tenor and import almost without number Therefore is it not without controversie and dispute that the Apostle saying to the Church at Rome and to those in Galatia As MANY OF You as have been baptized c. supposeth either that there actually were or at least that for ought he knew to the contrary there might be sundry of their members who had not been baptized And if he had either known or so much as by conjecture supposed that all the members of these Churches had without exception been baptized is it credible that he would have expressed himself thus unto them respectively As MANY OF You As have been baptized and not rather You having all been baptized or the like V. Whether did not the Church at Corinth in the Apostles days entertain members and hold communion with those who had not been baptized considering that he demandeth thus of this Church Else what shall or what will they do which are baptized for the dead if the dead rise not at all why are they then baptized for the dead c Or doth not this imply that there was a corrupt and superstitious practise on foot in this Church to baptize one or other of the surviving kindred or Friends in the name of such persons respectively who dyed unbaptized and that this Church thought and supposed that such Baptism was available for good unto the deceased in such a case which practise and opinion of