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A81745	The Quakers vvisdom descendeth not from above or a brief vindication of a small tract, intituled, The Quakers folly made manifest to all men, as also of its authour, from the exceptions made against it, and aspersions cast upon him. In a pamphlet called The voice of wisdom, &c. published by George Whithead, Quaker. / By Tho. Danson, M.A. late fellow of Magd. Coll. Oxon. And now minister of the Gospel at Sandwich in Kent.	Danson, Thomas, d. 1694.	1659 (1659)	Wing D217; Thomason E2255_4; ESTC R210142	19,984	42

sin in Christ in order to the imputation of our sin to him so nor of inherent righteousness in us to the imputation of his righteousness to us But our Just●fication is as independent upon our inherent righteousness as if we had none The Surety though he never contracted penny of the debt is as much obliged to payment as the Princ●pal and the Principal is as truly discharged by the Su●ety s payment though he pay nothing out of his own estate T.D. said do you think that the righteousness which the Apostle cals his own was not Christ's G.W. Ans He might as well say that the Apostle desired no● to have Christs righteousness which is but one T. D. Reply The Apostle askes a question wh●ch implies an affirmation Who maketh thee to differ from another and what hast thou that thou didst not receive 1 Cor. 4.7 And 't is as true of righteousness inherent as of common gifts which are there spoke of The righteousness of his personal conformity to the Law Paul desired not to be found in but in Christs imputed to him But I have said enough which G.W. takes no notice of because he cannot reply to it Quakers Folly p. 21. ●2 Note Reader that G.W. spends two Pages 27 28. of his Book about my explication of Col. 1.26 and the distinction I make between Christ personal and myst●cal for answer whereto to save the trouble of repetition I refer you to Quakers Folly p. 22 23. Only whereas he replies to the distinction that Christ is but one I say so too yet the Name of Christ is applied somtimes to the Head and at other times to ●he Body And they are though one in respect of Union yet of distinct consideration in the businesse of salvation Eph. 5.23 Christ the Head is the Saviour Christ the Body the Saved And whereas G.W. denies that he said we are justified by Sanctification I am confident that was his word however if it was righteousnesse within it comes all to one 'T is evident that the d●ift of his discourse was to maintain that assertion QUESTION 4. Concerning the Scriptures T D THE Scriptures are the Word of God and the said R●le of Faith and life and that there is n● oth●● st●n●ing R●le b●t th● Sc●●ptu●es G ● Ans What then was their Rule who spoke 〈◊〉 the Sc●iptu●es And what was the Gentiles Rule And what must be their R●le who cannot read th●●criptures M●st they be condemned because they cannot read th●m The Word o● God is in the hea●ts of Believ●rs and of this Word the S●riptures are a true declara●●on but a●t not the Word T D. R●●ly I must ag●in refer the Reader for an answer to th●● Qu●●ie● to Qu●kers Fo●●y p. 29 30 43 44. And 〈…〉 matter c●n●a●ned ●n the Scriptures is a Rule to 〈…〉 so for as 't is revealed to them and w●s 〈…〉 ●●●re it wa● put into w●iting And so much of it as 〈…〉 up●n the hearts of Heathens is a rule to th●● R●m 2.12 And since they a●e in a body presented 〈◊〉 th● whol● o● h●m are our Rule And for those who c●nnot r●a● though th●y shall not be condemned for a ●●●ur●l ●ncapacity yet they shall for not walk ng acc●rding to the Scriptures as they a●●ain the knowl●●ge of them by some oth●r way a● hea●●ng c. To that Not on tha● the Sc● p●ures are but a true d●claration of th● Wo●d of ●od ●n the h●a●ts of Beli●vers I rep●y that th●●●●p u●●s are al●o a d●claration of what ought to 〈◊〉 th● hea●●s of Bel●ev●●s ●nd unbe●●evers If you m●●● a● most of you do that they are only a declaration of their conditions who spake them read 1 Pet. 1.10 12. and that place alone will confute you T D. John 20.30 31. Suppose we had the signs faithfully r●co●ded yet were they not our Rule because God did not g●ve order for them but ha●h assured us as much as is ●uffic●ent to create and preserve Faith in the Gospel wh●ch we have G ● Ans Faith is the gift of God not created and preserved by the Sc●iptures but by Christ the author of Faith And again this Priest in affirming no other Rule but what we have in Scr●pture hath contradicted himself p 44 he saies that those things that were not written migh have ●een useful if they had been written for they were done for the very same end with those signs which are l●ft us So then many things that are not written might have been as useful as that which is written in the Sc●●ptures T. D. Reply I see thou art a man of depth G.W. to make an opp●sition where there is ● subordination between the efficient and instrumenta● cause The second creation doth not exclude though the first did instruments or second causes James 1.18 Of his own will begat he us with the 〈◊〉 of Truth Rom. 10.17 Faith comes ●y hear●ng and hear●ng by the ●o●d of God Which Word is the repo●t o● the Gospel v. 16. I am not sensible of any contradiction in the passages G●● quotes Q. Folly p. 26. I told Mr. F sher Sermons hav● the same common end with the Scriptures yet they are not a Rule any furth●r than they ag●ee with the Scriptures And hence the Bere●●s are commanded for ●xam●ning Pauls sermons by the Sc●iptures Acts 17.11 Yet God blesses them so far as that the Word preached is the usua● means of conversion whereas the written Scriptures ar● more rarely such You add as useful which I did not affirm for that which was delivered to us by Divine Authority hath Gods promise of blessing that it shall be instrumental to beget a Divine Faith John 20.21 These signs are written that ye might believe c. But from such signs as are handed by humane autho●ity only an humane Faith may be expected which is useful in its kind to prevent or take off prejudice against what is of Divine Authority which the carnal reason of man is apt to cavil at●●f you say as you seem to do tha● if all the signs were done for the same end then being written they must reach the same end I deny the cons●quence for the difference lies in Gods arbitrary dispensation H● w●ought them all for the end mentioned but hath thought fit to transmit only some s●w by writing to po●●erity and they shall be in stead of all the rest G.W. cavils at my denial o● their infallibility which I judge answered suffic●ently Qu Folly p. 39. l. 20. T. D. As for our want of infallibllity 't is no valid plea against our Ministry p. 33. and the Spirit of God may accompany a Ministry and the Minister not have the Spi●it See for proof Acts 20 30. Mat. 23.23 G.W. A●s Th●y that want infallibility are out of the Truth The Scribes and Pharisees th●t spoke perverse things against the Ap●stles the Spirit did not then accompany what they m nistr●d T. D. R ply Why do you not reply to Acts 20.30 Which proves clearly that

credible Witnesses as Mr. and Mrs. Hooke and divers others And at Aldermanbury on a Lords day June 12 1659. whilst the Psalm was singing a Quaker gat up into the Pulpit with his Hat on his head and setting his Breech upon the Cushion fell to sewing Anoth●r example as remarkable as the former was in Christ-Church Octob. 6 1659. It being a Day of publick Thanksgiving the Parl. L. Major Aldermen Com. Coun. Officers of ●he army being there met together to hear Dr. Homes and Mr. Caryl who were appointed by the Parl. to preach before them Mr. Caryl being the last that preached it so fell out that when he was in his last Prayer there were two Quakers made a very great disturbance in the publick assembly in the very presence of authority This will be testified by many Witnesses that were present And they seem to regard their own Worship as little as they do ours For March 6 1659 one Mary Todd of Southwark Quaker at the Bull and Mouth in Aldersgate-street an usual Meeting place whilst her Friends as they call one another were speaking pull'd up all her cloaths above her middle Mr. Tho. Cress●t Chirurgion exposing her nakednesse to the view of all that were in the Room and walked so up and down a while using several expressions about her practise as sutable to a state of innocency and perfection This I had from an eye and ear-witnesse who is named in the Margin and what a beastly and abominable practise this was especially in a woman besides the unseasonablenesse of it being in the time of their Worship such as it is I leave to thee to judge And whereas 't is an usual thing for the Quakers to call Ministers of the Gospel Liars it is well enough known that besides the Lies of their Doctrine they have not so much moral honesty as to speak Truth in matters of Fact In May last there having been some discourse one day between one Howard of Dover Quaker Mr. Russel Min. in the Marsh and a Minister in Rumney Marsh the next day was appointed for further discourse between them two but over-night the said Howard sent his horse and man for Mr. Fisher sometime a Minister now a Quaker and suspected to be a Jesuit and going with him to the place of meeting told the people that seeing S. Fisher came accidentally thither he would now leave the discourse to him whereupon one among the people stept out and told Howard that he lied for he did see his horse and man go out over-night and see the said Fisher ride into the Town on the morning upon the same horse by which it was manifest that he sent for him on purpose All that they could say in justification of themselves was that the said Fisher came accidentally in respect of the people or Minister who was to discourse they knowing nothing of his coming To conclude I desire thee Reader to peruse the Quakers answer to certain questions proposed to them hereto annexed wherein thou wilt find them denying the Scriptures to be the Rule for judging matters of Faith asserting that they should have had knowledge of God sufficient to salvation if they had never heard of the Bible and their words and writings are as infallible as the Scriptures and again denying the Persons in the Godhead the Humane Nature of Christ and that Christ is a distinct Person from the Saints and that there hath been a true Church since the Apostles till now and that one day is more holy than another And surely by these Principles in conjunction with the rest which thou hast an account of in the Book it self to which this Narrative is annexed the Quakers have for ever forfeited the name of Christians and are to be reputed Heathens Sandwich Octob. 10 1659. Questions proposed to and answered by Joseph Fuce Quaker Quest VVHether the Holy Scriptures of the Old and New Testament be the Rule of trying and judging all matters of Faith and obedience towards God Answ And now I shall set down these Proofs to prove the Scriptures are not to be the Rule for to try and judge all things or matters of Faith John 5.22 c. Q. Whether the Light within you so much speak of be suffici●nt to guide you to Salvation if you had never heard of the Bible Ans I do believe if I had never seen the Bible yet believing the Witnesse which God hath given which is Christ the Light hope and Glory in us which we so much speak of and preach freely as we have received to the offending of those deceivers that preach for hire and so make merchandise of the people I say I should have attained to the knowledge of God if I had never heard of the Bible Q Whether the teachings or writings of any of your way be infallible or of equal authority with the Scriptures of the Old and New Testament Ans I say we do not erre in speaking or writing the Truth as it is in Jesus and that of God in all Consciences shall one day witnesse this to be true and infallible and the Scriptures and our writings hath and will most certainly come to passe Q. Whether the Father the Word and the Spirit be three distinct Persons in the self-same Godhead Ans As for thy words three distinct Persons that I deny till thou provest them by plain Scripture It is like the Bishops in Rome may own thee in them for that is some of their unfruitful works of darknesse Qu. Whether J●sus Christ hath a Divine and Humane Nature in one person Ans Thy words Humane Nature I return them with those words Three Persons into the Pit of confusion from whence they came Qu. Whether Jesus Christ remains for ever a distinct Person from all the Saints Ans But as for being a distinct Person from all the Saints he is not Qu. Whether the true Church hath failed upon earth since the death of the Apostles of Jesus Ch●ist mntil these times if not in what age or ages or among what people hath it continued Ans He caused all both small and great rich and poor bond and free to receive a mark in their forheads or in their right hand Read Rev. 13. And thus the true Church ceased or failed upon earth since the death of the Apostles of Christ until ●he raising up of Gods own seed out of the earth to stand a witnesse against wicked murderers and Persecutors of the Saints and true Church of Christ Qu. Whether the first day of the Week be more holy than any other day of the Week Ans All the daies of the Week as the Lord created them are holy unto the Saints who are redeemed from observing daies and moneths and times and years These things are expresly asserted and subscribed by Joseph Fuce FINIS

THE QUAKERS VVISDOM descendeth not from Above Or a Brief VINDICATION Of a Small TRACT Intituled The Quakers Folly made manifest to all men As also of its Authour from the Exceptions made against It and Aspersions cast upon Him In a PAMPHLET CALLED The Voice of Wisdom c. Published by GEORGE WHITHEAD Quaker By THO. DANSON M. A. Late Fellow of Magd. Coll. Oxon. And now Minister of the Gospel at Sandwich in Kent And if it be not so now who will make me a Liar and mak my speech nothing worth Job 24. ult What have I now done Is there not a cause 1 Sam. 17.29 London Printed for J. Allen at the Rising Sun in Pauls Church-yard 1659. THE EPISTLE to the READER Reader I Am once more come upon on the Stage not without a Blush yet not because I am unwilling to have my Doctrines brought to Light as G. W. G. W. voice of wisdom p. 3. would make thee believe For I am so far from being ashamed of them that could the whole world be brought within the reach of my voice upon a due call I would make a Confession of my Faith Nor yet because I am conscious to my self of wronging the Quake●s in my relation of the Disputes between us either by laying down things in their Names which they never spoke or diminishing from their words or making false constructions to use the very words of G. Whithead's Charge For let any understanding man peruse the Book In Epist to the Reader which occasions this Reply and he will find that either I am charged with falshood in such passages as have many and credible witnesses to attest the●r truth or else in particular words as in putting Sanct●fic●tion for righteousnesse w thin by which alteration if any such there were no wrong was done to their meaning And as for any false construction of their words if thou thinkest it worth the while to compare my false and this mans true construction either thou seest not with my eyes or thou wilt see that they have no cause of complaint I have followed my present Antagonist step by step and omitted nothing that hath the least colour of Scripture or ●eason unless where I make a reference to my former Book to avoid repetition lest he should say that like a child I Skip what I cannot read Only I confess I am not able to match him at his Billingsgate Rhetorick nor wo●ld I with Jonah be as hot as the Sun that scaldes me For I make account as once a Learned man said that so much as there is of undue passion so much of nothing to the purpose For there Reason spends upon a false sent and forsakes the Question started I trust that thou wilt be more confirmed in thy bad opinion of the Quakers and that the dust which they raise with their feet I shall blow away I mean crosse their endeavours to hide their meaning in doubtful words either out of ignorance not being Masters of their own Notions or which I rather believe out of design it being true of them which Job speaks of the Thief If one know them they are in the terrours of the shadow of death Job 24.17 I hope thou wilt not be byassed by their seeming humility for pride may be the root that bears that Branch The Apostle speaks of a voluntary humility which was the effect of being vainly puft up by a fleshly mind Col. 2.18 And sure I am that if one part of the character which the Bishop of Alif in the Council of Trent gave of the Protestants viz. that they had Orthodoxos Mores i. e. an Orthodox Conversation be as true of the Quakers as it was of the Protestants yet the other part viz. that withal they had Haereticam Fidem i. e. an Hetorodox or Heretical Belief is as true of these men as it was false of those And thou wilt find In the ●●●ep that particularly G. W. laies the most innocent Truths under the odious imputation of Anti-Christs deceits That thou maist not know the depths of Satan as they speak Rev. 2.24 But maist hold fast that Doctrine which thou hast already v. 25. is the Prayer of Thy Servant in the work of the Gospel Tho. Danson Sandwich Aug. 15 1659. QUESTION 1. Concerning the Light of Christ. THO Darson saith the Lights mentioned viz. natural and supernatural are two and though all have the one yet but few have the other G. W. Ans The life of Christ is the Light of men and that is not natural but spiritual and thou might as well count the Life of Christ natural as count it the Light so T. D. Reply 1. The distinction of natural or supernatural or spiritual Light we have Rom 1.17 20. Where the revelation of righteousnesse in the Gospel is opposed to the knowledge of the God-head which men attain to by the Creation Ch 2.14 The Gentiles are said by nature to do the things con●ained in the Law and are said to be a Law to themselves when yet withal 't is affirmed that they had not the Law viz. revealed or the Oracles of God for they were committed to the Jews only at that time ch 3.2 2. And to that silly Argument that I might count the life of Christ natural as well as the light I answ●r that there is a life of Christ natural viz. whereof Christ is the author as God as well as spiritual whereof he is the author as God-man John 1.3 All things were made by him with all their qualities and properties and whatsoever goes to the making them what they are wh●ch so far as it intends life may be explained by Acts 17.25 He God giveth to all life and breath Or if there be not such a n●●ural life then Plants Bruits and all Man●●nd have a spiritual life an absurdity to grosse to lodge in the brain of any other man but a Qua●er T. D charged R.H. with saying the true Light hath not co●e over and comprehended thee G W. Ans That 's false he said no such thing for the Light hath comprehended thee but thou art not come into it nor hast comprehended it T. D. Reply My credit will go further than thine G W. R. H did say as was related but perhaps he meant as thou saiest that I was not come over to c●mprehend the true Light Tho. D. charged us with consenting that the knowledge o● the Gospel is vouchsafed to every man G.W. Ans No such thing d●d we consent to but that there were some in darknesse so that their ignorance of the Gospel does not argue that they had not that light in them that was able o b●ing them to know the Gospel but rather that they disobeyed the l●ght of God in them and liked not to retain God in their k owledge T.D. Reply My words are If you meaning be that the Gospel is vouchsafed by Christ to every man I expect your proof And R. H. by silence consented tha● that was