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A78614 Envy's bitterness corrected with the rod of shame: Or, An answer to a book lately published by Richard Haines (a person withdrawn from) entituled, New lords, new laws; wherein is shewed such an image of envy, as in late ages have not appeared, by his heaping up false accusations, and abusive expressions to a great number, with malicious insinuations, thereby to provoke (if possible) the civil magistrate to have suspitious thoughts of the innocent, with a great out-cry of usurpation and tyranny, proved to have no other foundation but his own evil imaginations, and so, neither lords, nor new laws. : Wherein also the several persons therein accused, are in righteousness quitted, to the shame of the accuser. / By Matthew Caffyn ... Caffyn, Matthew, 1628-1714. 1674 (1674) Wing C206A; ESTC R173316 27,178 35

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with St. Paul Pag. 6. that I with the Congregation do judg that my displeasure is punishable without submission with no less then eternal damnation Pag. 15. That I do contemn the Authority of all above me Pag. 18. That t is not necessary in my Government to reprove according to the Scripture Rule that I have in effect Autherity to do all to wit accuse judg and condemn Pag. 20. That Whoredom Fornication or Idolatry is rather allowed of then this of the Patent Pag. 21. That if a certain person did not confess her sin to me she must according to my principle be damned eternally Pag. 44. That I prophesied he should not prosper neither in body nor estate Pag. 53. That I question the Kings Royal perogative in secular things Pag. 41. All which I do hereby solemnly protest against as false and most unworthy accusations which together with those many before named and yet is to be named respecting perticular cases yet to be spoken to passing over other things of like kind will make up such measure as if it were heaped up pressed down and runing over to the great shame of the accuser and I could wish that in the issue it might tend to his humiliation for I do not desire that the Lord may lay it to his charge Further he chargeth against me partiality and conniving at sin c. And I suppose none may think considering his so great malice against me that he hath left unmentioned any thing that either near or afar of lately or formerly he could meet with all which fairly answered as it respecteth me which to do through grace I nothing doubt of he may reasonably doubt of ever obtaining his end for these things now considerable were I suppose partly more then seven Years ago and in a nother County and partly I suppose about five and six Years ago and partly more lately but all of it a very little excepted while he was in communion with us nor can he plead at leastwise to all that he was ignorant thereof till now for in the case of the woman dying under blame himself tells the Reader Pag. 44. That 't was before the difference betwixt us gathered from a certain discourse between he and I about which he then signified not the least dislike as I know of nor at any time since this publication being my first information and now with no less aggravation then an infallable mark of Popish infallibility but as touching the matter I remember nothing thereof save only a few words with him in way of some mistrust of her condition but that I should for want of her confession to me that I might forgive her my self say that 't was all one if she did repent of her sin before she died and so conclude her one that could not enter into the Kingdom for want of my pardon my answer is that I know no such thing as ever spoken by me nor at any time believed but rather that a sinner may truly repent before God and so enter the Kingdom who yet for want of either opportunity or capassity of body may not confess his sin to the offended neither is it true that the controversie lay between the woman and I if thereby he mean the woman and I only for sever I were acquainted therewith and her Husband the party that was originally offended and in some respects more concerned then ever I was who is ready to testifie the truth thereof And whereas this womans infirmities reproved by me and others consisted in her two much bitterness of Spirit to the preventing her Husbands will against her Husbands daughter that came home with a great belly one never in the profession who charging it upon a certain person he readily confessed it and so married her whereas I say the case was so he having no other cause for doubtless if he had he would even gladly have published it he concluds the matter with this question namely which of the two the Mother or the Daughter I had most kindness for To which question and what else seemingly may look that way elswhere I shall only say that God Almighty the alone searcher of hearts knows both his and mine and if I should be innocent herein and in all cases of that kind as the Lord knows I am and ever was who should I not be upright herein would be a swift witness against me and he should be a man that have been really and foulely guilty in cases of that kind and now become an Enemy to him that has told him the truth how dreadfully presumptuously and daringly doth he thereby Treasure up Sin and Wrath against the day of Wrath unless timely and greatly he doth repent And whereas he endeavours to render me partial in my proceedings against a man and his wife whom he would suppose to be my Favorite because my kinswoman of whom he speaking Pag. 11. saith that there was a necessity of marrying her to some body as if she were with Child by some one besides her espoused Husband The case was thus to wit that these persons being engaged one to the other did before publike marriage according to Law accompany together the which when they had done being under trouble of conscience as was declared did voluntarily tell the same to a certain friend from whom I had the Relation and so did immediately take an opportunity to treat with them about their transgression and finding them in a humble fram considered with their voluntary acknowledgment did proceed no further as to any publike rebuke yet not so satisfied as to permit either of them to communion neither have they unto this day in process of time some imaginations did arise and at last a discovery of the unlawful fact as that the Gospel thereby was lyable to be evil spoken of whereupon we at a publike firstdays-meeting before the Church and others bare our testimony against their ungodly proceedings without the least shew of favour to one more then another The truth of which we the Congregation do testifie And further say that we never heard before the fruit of malice discovered it the least word drop from any of our brother Caffyns favouring his kinswomen in that particuler As touching the person that did Beat and as he saith Curse his tired Horse from the relation of which he further argues partiality in me the Reader is to observe that when I understood there was such a report of this person and that he did deny what was reported I nevertheless did with another Friend and two more sober persons not in fellowship with us go to the place where 't was reported that such words of Cursing was spoken and went from house to house treating with those that were concerned in the report and finding them partly to differ in their testimony and partly mistaken as in the case of his Riding by the Reporters house after such a manner as was described when as it appeared that
think that Churches are obliged to follow the motions of excommunicated persons whither they please but rather as some think that the Church appealed unto should if they see cause to stir by their representatives come to the Church concerning whose actions the appeal is made but by this my account aforesaid I do not thereby mean that in pursuance of such a promise as he speaketh of I did what I did in and about his case for no such promise can I remember nor do I in the least incline to believe that I did so speak and have forgot it though in many cases that is probable because I certainly know and in the same page himself confesseth that I told him as I with another Friend J. S. Who is ready to witness the truth thereof sat with him in his own Parlour by the Fire I say that I told him of this our agreement whereby to use his own words he was made by me and others to doubt that his cause could not be heard probably if the whole Assembly had pressed for the hearing thereof as they wholly declined it I should not have endeavoured to have hindered it both parties being there The case then being thus why he should further charge me as he doth for wanting civil honesty in not telling him before to prevent trouble and unnecessary charges I verily know not And whereas he rejected the general Assemblies Advice first to Appeal to some Country and Quarterly Meeting he would very willingly justifie the same by saying pag. 4. Epist That in some respects they were inferior to me and that I was adered and esteemed by many of them To which I answer that were I such a person as he now represents me to be 't were not likely I should be thus esteemed or doth he think that they are all in the dark and he only in the excellent discovering light while a Reviler a Reproacher and false accuser of his Brethren but how observable is it that while he in his fourth Page of his Epistle represents me to be thus esteemed and adored by the Country Congregations in the sixth Page of this Epistle he in answer to some I know not who that strange why he doth not withdraw from the Baptized Congregations saith That he knows not any other Congregation of that perswasion corrupted with those Errors but that their actions and conversations are according to their Profession If so why then would he not I pray make his Appeal to some of them according to the Assemblies advice but 't is happened to him according to what is written where envying is there is confusion as well as every evil work Now whereas the Countries motion and stiring against his coveted Patent and that with more then a little pains and charge while from Town to Town and from one Gentlemans house to another persons did Ride up and down in obtaining their Hands subscribed against him by which as also the pleadings of Counsel eminent in Law the Patent before the Lord Keeper was threw out whereas I say the Countries Motion thus against him but especially their Prevailing seems to bare hard against him not only as an Infallible Testimony that his designe proved scandalous and of an ill report but that also it seems to render the reasonableness pretended by him for his Patent questionable he thereupon I fear have desperately lanched out into false accusations in order to the helping his cause namely in publishing pag. 3. That I and my Confederates did report whereby the Country was provoked to Conspire against him that his design by his Patent was to hinder Persons from cleansing Clover as well as Non-such and that other persons had made discovery thereof before him then which nothing is more evidently false We the Congregation Assembled and judging our selves concerned do hereby declare that we never heard our Brother Caffyn at any time either plainly declare or by any hints suggest such an intention to be in R. H. concerning Clover nor did we at any time believe and thereby declare to others any such thing nor do we know that our Brother Caffyn or any Confederates as he speaketh of that did believe and so report that other persons had made the discovery before him thereby to provoke those persons at the first to conspire against him for the most discourse of that kind coming to us from persons not in the Profession whether true or false we certainly knew not was after those persons had actually conspired as he calleth it against him as is easie to be demonstrated But whereas the falseness of this charge cannot appear to the Reader but upon his prefering my Testimony in conjunction with the Congregations Testimony before his bare and single Testimony in a state of apparent Envy and Excommunication though that be a case of much clearness and plainness I therefore am made willing here to present an accusation of his for nature and kind such as that many persons in many places upon their own knowledge may determine the slanderousness thereof these lines of his I suppose not likely to be read in many Congregations either in City or Country but where either my words sometimes there or my practise there or agreements made by me and others to the contrary there or however some that well knew my judgment to the contrary there may testifie against him as a false accuser therein his accusation is pag. 12. That by my Law I maintaine that when a Widdow or Maid shall Marry with one not in fellowship she shall be accused as an Offendor and no humility to be accepted of but Excommunicated she must be and she not to be forgiven to the hour of Death except they part or he be converted to them but in the mean time she is to be adjudged to live in fornication and so their Children are Bastards Now what shew in Reason he had thus to speak I can by no means conceive there having been at no time either while he was with us or since he was separated from us any person so Excommunicated here or by me as an instrument elsewhere nor did I ever believe any such thing that persons so Married might be seperated as he insinuates nor that they were to be adjudged such as lived in Fornication so as that no humility might be accepted of nor that their children were Bastards the contrary being most evident from the actual receiving and embracing several in several places upon their professed humility for their so doing and whereas he excuseth them at London as men of other Principles they of London can tell him that I was one of the Assembly at London where these things were treated of and well do I remember that I then wrote the agreement in contradiction to the thoughts of some few that way inclined as by him is mentioned If from some reports these things have been suggested to him though not likely why did he not at some time speak of it and not
of good report they ought be the thinking on those things Phil. 4.8 Which counsel of the Apostle occasioned by that forgoing discourse of his where he chargeth them not to eat that which was lawful to be eaten when by their so doing others were offended sheweth that Christians in order to their doing all things to the Glory of God should carefully avoid all occasions of ill reports and not give offence to any neither the Church nor the World which as cases might be circumstanced they might do by the performance of things otherwise lawful provided always that it be construed to such things as are only lawful and so may be done and not such things as are matter of duty and so must be done The which is readily granted by Richard Haynes himself saying Pag. 27. That if his brother formerly a Jew being week dares not eat swins Flesh because once forbiden and so could not have communion with those that he knew did eat it rather then to offend such a one he would eat no meat while the World stood notwithstanding swins Flesh be lawful in its self to be eaten so that now that which he hath conceived to be our Judgments about the not offending brethren is no other but that his own opinion and judgment in the same case of not offending is come within even a hairs breadth of the same the difference being only as himself defines it that the strong should bare the infirmities of the weak in all such cases as have relation to matters of Religion and Worship and not in such civil cases as his now so much as the eating swins Flesh is contrary to the true Religion and Worship of God in the weak brothers account more then his coveting this Patent thereby raking and grasping in all to himself to the Gospels reproach and offence of the brethren is contrary to the pure Religion and Worship of God in our account which plainly is that a man keep himself unspoted from the World so much and no more is the difference betwixt us Surely either none at all or now if any there be let it be shewn at leastwise any requiring such a publication what may one weak brother formerly a Jew who by reason of his weakness cannot have communion in case swins Flesh be eaten though the eating thereof be lawful in the sight of God may such a one I say find more favour with R.H. then a whole congregation that could not have communion with him in case he did prosecute that Patent design Nor is that all which may be wondered at for as in the case justified by him about the not eating swins Flesh there is not only a disproportion betwixt a single person offended and a whole congregation offended but also that the single persons offence is only injurious unto himself without any such attendance as the dishonor of the Gospel and injury to others when as the Congregations offence is attended with as a main thing too in our account dishonour to the Gospel and so injury to many others that by that means may stumble at the Truth And whereas he supposeth injustice and cruelty in our proceedings against him for that he conceives he hath not broken neither the Law of God nor man doth not R. Haines himself that hath laid so many grevious complaints against us now plainly justifie us by saying that he might justly be charged as an offender and as in his other initance publikly to be blamed if obstinate Pag. 27. as was his case and all this for eating swins Flesh which to do is neither the transgression of the Law of God nor man nay when I enquire whether he doth not now justifie us may I not say that he doth as it were more then justifie us because in our proceedings against him we were not satisfied that his Patent might as lawfully be prosecuted as swins Flesh might lawfully be eaten but if to that satisfaction we had attained yet that pen which hath so often and so much abused us is made even in such a case now to justifie us And doth it not then follow that this so great a heat of Spirit flows from something besides and before the Patent too Moreover since the eating things offered to Idolls whereby the weak brother is made to transgress in matters of Religion is in his account a sin and such a sin too that deserves publick rebuke as he confesseth Pag. 27. is it not as much if not more deserving rebuke this his Patent proceedings against all Counsel and advice to the contrary since not only one person as he states the case thus blamable but many persons of the World is thereby lyable to disesteem the true Religion and Worship of God and so to harden themselves in their salfe ways of Religion and so many may come to perish for whom Christ died and therefore if he did esteem it his lawful right though one may think it could not be done without some doubts being circumstanced as aforesaid should he not have said and accordingly done that rather then thus to dishonor the Gospel offend the Congregation and many others and loose communion and Christian priviledges I will not have such a Patent as long as the World stands consider in the true fear of God Whereas also he often affirms that I should say that Patents were of the Devil My answer is that therein as in many other cases he chargeth me falsly Secondly we the Congregation do testifie that we never heard our brother Caffyn so to speak Thirdly I. H. S. desired to come to London by letter from R. Haines to be a witness for him in which letter he seems to speak that I did not only hear brother Caffyn say that Patents were of the Devil but also that he did declare it at the latter end of his sentence of Excommunication I. H. S. do hereby declare that I neither heard brother Caffyn so to speak in the latter end of his sentence of Excommunication nor at any other time save only that he at some time said that the evil one put him upon his Patent particularly And whereas he is pleased to call me great Apostle and to say in answer to a supposed question Pag. 43. that he was wholly ignorant of my great Office and Authority All may know if any yet do not know that I never pretended to any thing of that kind save only as one sent to preach the Gospel but in divers respects beneath and inferior to those sent out heretofore as the Apostles of Christ and so never thought my self to be nor was thought of others to be in any other Office or place of Authority then those that he again and again appealed unto at the general meeting at London so that his pointing at my name particularly must needs flow from a Spirit of malice against me particularly but to be as short as I can the Reader is to observe That Whereas he saith I think my self equal
sin in another case after that manner in the meeting which for some time before was acted and had not been publikely reproved the account from the said person is that though it be true sometimes he was made to doubt by Reason of his smooth words whether it might deserve such reproof or no though at some other times again satisfied that it did yet that he did readily confess his sin therein and not only to him but also at the meeting at London where R. H. did accuse him for it before all the friends then present he did confess his fault therein as I suppose many do well remember and as I do well remember what should be the occasion of its now publication I cannot interpret unless his continued wrath which worketh not the righteousness of God Further R. H. Pag. 15. To prove another of his brethren to be an Idolator tells the Reader that he at a certain time should say that he could as freely Steal a Horse as to have a Patent From whence he proceeds thus saying I pray Sirs observe how great zeal appears in this deluded person for the observation of the new Laws of this his new Lord for rather then to sin against his commands he had rather sin against the commands of the most high God And thereupon concludingly speaks that I must needs be their Idol and so calls upon all that are not seduced to judg in this matter Alas poor man will he judg all men are seduced that doth not see the weight of Truth and Reason which by this general appeale he supposeth attends him in this his arguing may it not be thought rather that among even the seduced in many points and much more among them that are not seduced that unless he had first proved that this persons zeal against his Patent had been to please me called by him his New Lord and not out of conscience to God may it not I say rather be thought that judgment may be given against him as one Reasoning without Reason But while he thus either for the want of the Use of Reason or uprightness pleads and all this too from the report of another disorderly person the person concerned saith that his words were only that he thought he could as freely have fellowship with him that had stolen a Horse as with him that should have such a Patent for that in his account 't was covetousness and so a transgression of Gods Royal Law as stealing was And whereas he Further represents me as an actor of Vsurpation because sometimes I have signified my fears that while persons are intent upon and deeply exercising their understandings about matters of civil controversies they may and sometimes do forget their Christian obligations and so misbehave themselves as also because of the reproaches that probably may come by the discontented parties he might as well have known however others do that I have not usurpingly withstood such undertakings for that several amongst us have concerned themselves in making peace between their Neighbours Where then is this New Law of Vsurpation which he speaks of Pag. 8. Doth a mans fears and so his particuler dislike make it a Law surely no. Much less an Act of Vsurpation deserving such a publication But this only more shall I say to it that while he so much pleads for making peace between men himself is become an enemy to the peace of them that very lately he esteemed most faithful and beloved brethren But saith he also I reproved him for keeping company with great Persons What would he hereby while himself insinuates into their favour endevour to cast me out of their favour that so he might the better accomplish his malitious design Alas poor man I would have him know that in simplicity and humility to stay upon God is a more surer refuge and Rock of defence then by sinful subtilty to comply with and put confidence in the Arm of Flesh True it is that I having some fear that he might among some persons of note take that liberty which would neither be Honourable to the Truth nor conducable to the good of those he associated with did cautionally but not censuringly drop a few words of that import yet is it no other then what occasionally many do without gain-saying but the better to effect an evil eye in them against me he as one little questioning whether their prudence would lead them to comply with his reasonless distracted thoughts of malice further imagineth and so declareth that I had some great antipathy against such Men and as an agravation of my supposed transgression in those cautionary words he tells the Reader that those persons of Quality that he associated with were such as I well knew to be sober men of good report and Favorites to that which is good To which I say that if I conjecture aright whom he means of which I do not much doubt then I must confess that I have no reason to gainsay him therein nor have I any Reason to think that he doth not associate with some other persons of whom those things cannot so well be spoken Yet again have I no Reason to think that among any of them such a Spirit of malice against professors rules that leads them to do not only what he thinks may be done but what he believes is his duty to do the which if I mistake him not his words do imploy which are these Pag. 37. I must tell you that according to what is Further my duty I am resolved to prosecute what I have undertaken against him as though I never knew him but as an Usurping Tyrant and further saith he Pag. 29. Suppose the worst imaginable to wit that the civil Magistrate for contempt of Authority should cause him to be punished can he complain of them or be offended with me considering what himself hath done infinitly beyond it what shall I punish a Man with eternal torments for doing that which is no transgression of any known Law and cry out by reason of so little pain as may be over in a quarter of an hour Now whether he doth not by all this intimate a compliancy of his Spirit that I should be prosecuted against even unto death temporal who have as he suggesteth if any one would believe him punished him with eternal torments though in truth the end of our punishing him by the censure of the Church is to preserve him from punishment eternal now whether I say by all this he do not intimate such a thing I leave to be considered in conjunction with his Dream which were it Divine signifieth no less then that he that used to stand at the upper end of the Table and perform his Devotion called by him in way of reproach unjust Judg or false Apostle was lost and could no where be found Pag. 51. To which I shall only say he that hath a Dream let him tell his Dream and he that hath my word let him