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A96887	A conference of some Christians in church-fellow-ship, about the way of Christ with his people, and the result therefrom. This serveth only by way of introduction to take off the reproaches, that are cast upon pastour and people, whose earnest care and endeavour is to walke with a right foote in that holy way. Which is held forth here by the light of the sacred Scripture, as it appeares unto them, and how curious and circumspect their walke should be, who pretend to it, and to walke therein. The scandalls in and against the way are removed as they could be.	Woodward, Ezekias, 1590-1675.	1656 (1656)	Wing W3485; Thomason E868_4; ESTC R207653	29,701	36

for so you have expressed your selfe once and againe That whereas he should deale in substantiall and fundamentall truths amongst his people he troubles them with matters of an inferiour nature which might be forborne rather than spoken and might wait their season serving onely at present but to ingender strife and doubtfull disputation not tending at all to edification To this wee answer according to our knowledge calling God to record upon our soules as to the truth of that wee say and wee doe appeale to the consciences of every person that hath an eye heaven-ward and applyed to him the eare and is not a right Gallio that careth for none of those things whether he or they have ordinarily heard in our Country villages for we hate comparisons more pertinent texts chosen more fully and with life followed more feelingly pressed and all impertinences avoyded as if it had been in the mans heart and surely there it is for God put it there to endeavour his utmost to declare unto us all the counsell of God and so to keepe backe nothing that was prositable to us And this little is as much as we will say to that urged against him his not insisting upon substantials which yet had been in our judgements too much had it not as that also which followes been forced and as wee may say sqeesed from us for Pudet hac oprobria nobis Et dici potuisse non potuisse refelli Whereas it is further sayd That he deales in matters that ingender strife and cause doubtfull disputation To this we could speake as before but certainly Sir It is as false as that Bubo is a Nightingale to use our Jewel's words Hee deale in matters ingendring strife If we can possibly understand the Genius of the Man hee abhorreth it with his heart We cannot forget the time when your neighbour-Ministers Learned and Godly indulged two dayes to those horrid enemies adversaries to Gods free grace through Christ which they make nature making it as common as nature and advancers of free will that does more in order to the working-out our Salvation then the supply of grace doth and so Dunghill-man is set in a Throne and the Lord of Glory we should tremble to speake it as you to heare it on a Dung-hill that so these men of the earth might have advantage ground of Him and call him as some have don satis pro imperio to give an account of His matters Wee were saying These proud men had two dayes for hearing what they could say and so honoured they were by these Godly Ministers to dispute it with them We remember withall wee found our Ministers spirit not a little stirred at this knowing as he sayd That Truth would have no Glory by that Mouth-disputation for that these enemies having espoused themselves to these errours will stand like the bound-stone which you know had this Motto Cedo nulli And besides they have a marvelous advantage against all good men and the greater the better and wiser they are in the carrying on a dispute with their tongues for the Godly Learned and wise have Faith and a good Conscience whereof they are as tender as of their eye they are civill and modest withall and cannot but deale as becometh Godlinesse But these enemies have made Shipwrack of all And you know what followes Now this wee must not forget neither That our Minister observing all this for hee was present one day and vvhat a Concourse of people there were and some of his own charge presently after his returne he chose these Scriptures which vvee thinke it our duty to set downe thereon to treat three or foure Lords dayes Deut. 29. 29. Secret c. Psal 25. verse 4. The secret of c. John 17. 6. I have These Scriptures by divine assistance he so handled That they vvhom God had instructed to discretion might clearely see That Lambs may wade over those Depths where Elephants must drowne Hee deale in matters tending to make strife or cause doubtfull disputation No he deales not in matters too high for him and declines those as a Serpent in his vvay that may cause strife therefore wee will say to this Cujus contrarium verum est Onely wee must appeale to your selfe before vvee leave this matter have not you said more then once and lately twice in one day and before others vvhich caused all this That you have been urging him these three yeares almost to dispute with you or to give you in vvriting the reasons of his judgement and practise as to the matters of his God and Discharge of his place and yet you could not gaine so much at his hands which tels you plainly what naturally hee declines and what mainely becometh him as every good Man to do by doctrine to cleare his practise and by practise to adorne his Doctrine as grace may advance gifts and gifts beautifie grace this to his power hee hath done as one that studyes to be quiet and to live-up to the Truth rather then to dispute it for being clearely knowne to him through Grace to be the Truth as it is in Jesus Disputation is but the Calling it into question which is a debasing of it as to mixe Gold with Copper Therefore till needs must he did forbeare Therefore Sir take your selfe for one witnesse in this matter and you are instar omnium and beleive not what others say who care not much what they say That he intends not so much Edification as to promote doubtfull disputation vvee say it againe and wee say it clearely It is a forged Cavillation and a most false accusation for he accounts it more then a fault a Crime so to doe But wee desire not you should trust to what wee say vve will take leave to proceed and make good what we say holding it not impertinent to the matters in debate betwixt us for hinc illa lathryma the very rise of all these clamours Nec ad-huc finitus Orestes scriptus a tergo Good Ministers know full well what an evill people such vvee are all in the state of nature will require of them Give out the Sacraments to them and hold-in the word and they are satisfied This he observed full well but tooke no notice did as wee have heard a good Minister should doe hold on his course Chrysostomes vvords as the Moone in her Orbe wholy carelesse of and neglecting the barkings and clamourings here below and pressed all along substantiall Truths thereby to drive us out of our selves and up to God But when they would take no way but the Sacraments they must have he opened unto us the Doctrine of both the Sacraments of Baptisme from Math 28. 18 19. Rom 2. 28 29. Gal 3. 27. Col 2. 11 12. Of the Lords Supper from 1 Cor 10. 16. Matth 26. 26. Mark 14. 22 23. Joh 6. 50 51 c. 63. 1 Cor 11. 26. Surely it tendeth to our scope thus to set them downe vvhence

A CONFERENCE OF Some Christians in Church-fellowship about the way of Christ with His people and the Result therefrom This serveth only by way of Introduction to take off the Reproaches that are cast upon Pastour and people whose earnest care and Endeavour is to walke with a right foote in that Holy way Which is held forth here by the light of the sacred Scripture as it appeares unto them and how Curious and Circumspect their walke should be who pretend to it and to walke therein The scandalls in and against the way are removed as they could be For our selves Brethren our Conscience sufficeth but for you our Name also had need to be pretious and honourable for we would have our words savour sweetly with you then so must our name also Augustine Stand in the wayes and see and aske for the old pathes which is the good way and walke therein and yee shall finde rest for your soules But they said we will not walke therein Jer. 6. 16. He that doth Truth cometh to the Light that his deedes may be made manifest that they are wrought in God Joh 3. 21. LONDON Printed according to Order for Henry Cripps in Popes-head-Alley 1656. A RESVLT Of a Serious Debate first with our selves alone and apart seeking God in these matters to Whom Interpretations doe belong Then altogether taking our Pastour with us to seeke-out the truth of the matters in order to a cleare resolution to those four Questions before specified in the Epistle to the Reverend Ministers proposed to us by a reverend and godly Minister requiring a Reason from us of our way and practise therein The Introduction Sheweth in the Entrance into it and close of it the occasion and scope of this Conference It serveth also to vindicate our Pastour from the Reproaches of wicked men and jealousies of the Godly against him And to justifie the Truth of the way and of our walke therein to be according to the mind of God expressed in His Word our desire also and endeavour to walke therein in all pleasing before Him SECT I. Honourable FOr so you are if you are pretious in our Lords eyes You were pleased to stoop very low and so an humble person can doe and yet lower if need be when you turned in to me lesse indeed then the least of all Saints which is as little as can be And yet I hope as I pray not lesse in any ones eye than I am in my own But whatever I am by the grace of God I am what I am Now to the businesse you were pleased to propose to mee and require resolution from mee thereunto These to my best remembrance you called Circumstantials onely matters of fact rather than of faith of an inferiour nature and degree which may be done or left undone and yet therein walking up to our light the Command of God is not broken nor the bond of love with men And yet to speake a word to this in passage onely I humbly conceive even in these matters decency and order must be observed and if we looke our worke should finde acceptance with the Lord it must be done in faith also for howsoever the worke be wee suppose it relateth to God and his service and but a Circumstance about the worke rather than of the nature essence or substance of the same yet all this falleth under a command and failing herein our worship is marred being not performed after the due order a We may say of Circumstances as of Relatives these have the least entitie but they have the greatest efficacie Circumstances carry much in our matters with men much more in warre they carry all with God these make all or marre all these overthrow our actions if they be not rightly and duly observed For the Lord stands as much upon Circumstances as he doth upon dutyes Hee will have them done and well done after the due manner and order by himselfe prescribed or else as well undone because the same Lord that commanded the matter commanded also the manner of our service indeed the manner is all But to let this passe for the present The things you charged upon mee to give you an account of as to my faith therein and practise about them were to my thinking Lord howsoever in common account and thoughts of others highly relating to the glory of God the beauty of his holinesse the peace and welfare of his people such like or the same with these mentioned in the title page and in the Epistle to the Rev Ministers SECT II. TO these things you desired me yea you charged mee to give you my opinion and if in the Negative then to give you the reason of my Contrary Judgement unto yours I tooke this at the first hearing and so doe still to be a matter too high for mee and indeed at that present was minded how ever you charged mee not to meddle in it least as was said of one you know by whom A good cause should have a weake Defendant Yet upon after-thoughts and taking Counsell with God upon whom the Creature depends every moment for his being and for all his good he hath and quickly after communing with my brethren in Fellowship with me about it as I beleeve your intent and I am assured my duty was to doe and taking our Minister with us and seeking to God againe altogether we resolved by the helpe of his grace to endeavour to give you an account of our matters according to your demands and as our God should be pleased to give in to us to give forth to you keeping all along as close to Him and His Word as possibly through the supply of His grace wee can So you see now what is done and wee are full of hope sith it was our full desire and endeavour you will finde our words so ordered all along how weakly soever and our matters so disposed in the strength of his grace which wee have sought for as that you will conclude of us That wee are as unwilling to give any offence to your worthy selfe or any other of your brethren in office with you as much honoured by us as well you can thinke as wee would be to offend the Apple of our Eye and rather breake our owne bones then be a meanes or just occasion to breake the peace of the Church or of any good man there so you will not account the whole Nation with every Parish a Church and the rich man the good man and best amongst them there If these or any one of these are pleased God is infinitely displeased We seek not to please men but God And pleasing Him we cannot thinke we can displease any good-man The words we reade Caent 2. 7. together with the Note on the side we observed thereupon was very pressing upon us I charge you by the roes and by the hindes of the field that yee stirre-not-up nor awaken my Love untill shee please The Note upon