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A01009	Purgatories triumph ouer hell maugre the barking of Cerberus in Syr Edvvard Hobyes Counter-snarle. Described in a letter to the sayd knight, from I.R. authour of the answere vnto the Protestants pulpit babels.	Floyd, John, 1572-1649.; Jenison, Robert, 1584?-1652, attributed name.	1613 (1613)	STC 11114; ESTC S115113	123,366	230

Diuinity in his head or Christianity in his hart or Sobryetie in his tongue would haue accused Catholiks for esteeming the Ipsa dixit of the Church as much as the Pythagorians did the Ipse dixit of their Maister Why should not this Ipsa the Mother of Christians the Spousesse of the Holy Ghost this Pillar and Foundation of truth this daughter of God the Father washed with the bloud of his sonne that she might in her doctrine haue no blemish of errour Why should not her word I say be more esteemed of by her children then the saying of Pythagoras a Pagan Philosopher was with his Schollers I perceiue you do loue more then belieue the Feminine Gender perchance you suspect in the Church the fault you lay vpon that Sexe (o) Counters p. 52. with some ryme let them say with what reason Mulier nihil scit nisi quod ipsa cupit This makes you loath to submit your Iudgment vnto Ipsa dixit But you may be sure that the Dixit or Saying of the Church is neuer (p) vt maneat vobi cum in aeternū Ioan. 14. without the dixit of Gods spirit her Maister She hath the warrant of her Spouse that he will make her wordes good he that heareth you heareth me (q) Luc 10. to which her Commission he subscribeth with a dreadfull Curse He that heareth not the Church let him be to thee as an Heathen (r) Luc. 18. Oh what glorious Fathers and Doctors could I name famous in former ages for Sanctity and learning that submitted their Iudgment to the sayings of the Church put their fingers to their mouth when she did gaine-say that they thought true prostrating their learned penns to be euer at the deuotion of her Censure How highly did they esteeme her Dixit her Iudgmēt her Word Let S. Augustine speake (l) de Baptis cont Donatist l. 17. c. 33. vel 53. I dare with the conscience of a secure voyce affirme saith he what in the Gouerment of our Lord Iesus Christ is established by consent of the vniuersall Church And againe (m) de Baptism cōt Donatist l. 4. c. 6 If he say something that doth say We follow what we receaue from the Apostles how much more strongly do we say we follow that which the Church did euer hold what no disputation could ouerthrow (n) Contra epist Fundam l. 5. what a Generall or plenarie Councell hath defined Thus S. Augustine doe you see what a Pythagorean Dixit what vncontrollable Authoritie he granteth to the Church 6. As litle Iudgment or Piety do you shew in your iest at the Ladies A. B. C as though the authoritie of the Church were not the Alphabet and Christ-Crosse-Row in which all Christiās ought and all ancient Christians did learne to reade and belieue the Scriptures The forenamed S. Augustine the Phenix of witts the Mirour of learning did he not learne in this booke Ego vero saith he Euangelio non crederem nisi me Ecclesiae commoueret Auctoritas Truly I would not belieue the Ghospell did not the Churches authoritie moue me vnto it Why should any Lady or Lord Maister of Arts or Doctor disdaine to spell the Ghospell of Christ by the same letters such learning sanctity vsed 8. Shall I tell you your protestant Ladies (*) Has linguas qui nesciunt saepe necessariò hallucinantur VVhitak de sacra scriptura pag. 523. A. B. C For the old Testament those Hebrew Characters now you begin to learne (o) Counters p. 7. and the Greeke letters for the new which if they be ignorant of I assure them according to your (p) Nullū nos editionem nisi Haebraicū in vetere Graecā in nouo Testamēto authenticam facimus VVhitak controu 1. q. 2. p. 128. Churches Principles they cannot reade so much as a sillable that they may be certaine is Scripture They may reade the English translation you will say that is Scripture I deny the same to be Scripture except it be conformable to the Originall wherof those haue no meanes to be sure that cannot read nor vnderstand the two aforenamed learned tongues in which they were primarily written If you say they must belieue it vpon the word of your Church (q) Multi nesciunt literas tamēfidēsanā retinent expraedicatione pastorum Whitak de sacra scriptura p. 588. you bring them back vnto ipsa dixit and make them reade the letters of Christianitie in your Ministers horne booke Were it not better to stick to the Catholicke Ladies A. B. C. that fayre Christs-Crosse rowe which our famous auncestors did learne Cleaue to the authority of that Church which begun in the Apostles by perpetuall Succession of Bishops is deriued vnto this age * Illam Scripturā dicis non esse quam esse dicit vniuersa Ecclesia ab Apostolicis sedibus vsque ad praesentes Episcopos certa successione perducta l. 28. cont Faust c. 2. 8. But suppose one would be scholler to your Church hath she so much skill or any warrant not to erre as we may be sure she will not teach vs amisse Your selues say (r) The whole militant Church may erre as euery part therof Fulke in his answere to a Counterfayte Cath. p. 86. that she may erre and teach vs damnable doctrine For which when at the day of iudgment we shal be called to accompt to say our lessons we may be laughed to skorne loose the eternall reward and be punished for euer As it is insolent madnes to contradict the custome of the true Church (ſ) August Epist 118. ad Ianuarium so is it desperate madnes to follow the directions of such a Church which though we religiously belieue exactly obserue euen vnto death yet may we be perpetually damned But the Ladies of your Church learne forsooth of the spirit they trust to Ipse dixit who will teach them which is the Scripture They are the sheep of Christ and know his voyce from that of strangers These are your Ministers faire promises yet I dare giue them my word though they haue the best spirit that euer possessed any man of your Church notwithstanding they may erre damnably mistake Scripture think that to be true translation which is indeed erroneous Had not Luther the first fruites of the Protestants spirit yet he erred most grossely that euen Zwinglius his fellow-witnes against the Pope doth giue this testimony against him (t) tom 2. l. de sacrament p. 412. Thou Luther doest corrupt the word of God thou art seene to be a manifest corrupter of the holy Scriptures 9. What translation or spirit of your Church may your Ladyes trust if Luther be soe corrupt as this your faithful witnes doth depose I see no remedy for them if they meane to be saued frō the deluge of errours but to fly to your Arke of Noe printed at Venice (u) Counters p. 8. wherein you were shipped when my booke came to

Saints on earth compared with that you might purchase to your selfe euerlastingly by charity reuerence and deuout prayer to Saints in heauen who sit in the same Throne with the King of Kings ruling the world (t) Apoc. 3. How holy would you be were you the Cypher (u) Counters p. 20. of these Blessed Kings who cannot command amisse How happy were you friend of these fauourites not of a mortal Prince whose glory shall turn into dung whose Maiestie be consumed with magots who this day glittereth in gold (x) Gloria eius stercus vermis Machab. 1. 2. but the next may be cast into Hell (z) Hodie est eras in clibanum mutitur Matth 6. Luc. 12. but of the Eternall King whose maiestie inuiolable glorie immutable power inuincible goodnes incomprehensible whose life eternitie The Peeres Princes of which glorious Kingdome you would not Syr Edw. so boldly blaspheme as you do did you indeed firmely belieue that you must meet with them againe one day when they shall reuenge iniuries done to them bind Kings in fetters and their Nobles in gyues did not your Protestāt charitie so fill your hart with Earth that these heauēly wholesō cogitatiōs cānot enter into it Saints out of sight are out of mind your Church hath no communication with thē you pray neither for them nor vnto them 46. His Maiesty in the Conference of Hampton-Court would not haue the Custome of Churching women after their lying in to be abrogated though Puritans did much exclaime against it because he would not haue women that are of themselues backward in that duty be depriued of such an occasion as might force them therunto oftner then other wise they would Wherin as I highly commend his religious prudence so could I wish the like might be vsed in the renewing of Catholike Custome to pray for the soules in Purgatory and vnto the Saints of Heauē Men are so ready now a daies to belieue there is no other world but this present that all things end with this life that the soule liueth not after the body or at least they are so apt to forget what shall befall them after death so seldome do they think of the last things to the remembrance whereof the Holy Ghost doth so often exhort vs (a) Eccle. 7 Memorare nouissima tua in aeternum non peccabis that no occasion should be omitted in procuring that so profitable a thing might be cōtinually as much as may be in mens mindes 47. And to this end not any thing is more forcible then these two pointes of Catholick faith that some soules in the next world need our help some others may help vs. This belief will not permit charity to be wholy imployed vpon the Saints vpon earth the loue of themselues wil force men often to remember and call vpon the Saints in heauen wishing their blessed company in glory for help And affectiō towards deceased friendes will cause them to call to mind think that shortly they shal be as their friēds are so procure and powre out deuotions for their relief if happily they stād in need therof Why should we labour to be wiser and perfecter then were the Apostles who as your Zwinglius saith (b) In Epicherisi de Canone missae fol. 285. did permit prayer for the dead exindulgentia infirmitatis humanae out of Indulgence vnto humaine infirmity What infirmity in mans nature is more frequent or daungegerous then forgetfulnes of another life Or when did this deadly disease more vniuersally raigne then in this last decaying age when a deluge of Epicurian humours threaten to dround in men the belief of a God 48. Why should not we then grant this Apostolicall Indulgence vnto Christians to pray for the dead that this custome may be the remembrance of another life if not perpetually yet frequently in mens mindes Specially this custome being Anciēt practised by the Machabees praised by the holy Ghost a deduction from Christs words the perpetuall tradition of the Church the first Christianity planted in our Kingdome as I haue proued in this Letter These are the fiue medicinable hearbes I made you promise of to purg your enraged humour against Catholick and Ancient truth the best furtherance I could affoard vnto your greatest good the most charitable Christian reuenge I could haue of you heaping Purgatory-coales on your head (c) Congere carbones super cuput inimici Rom. 12. for those reproaches you charged on mine 49. Your selfe allow that common prouerb that Cani latranti praeda elabitur (d) Counters p. 58. a snarling Curre misseth of his pray which may giue you iust cause to expect but hungry gaine of your Countersnarle where snapping at me you haue caught winde yea you haue beaten your owne choppes and bitten your tongue You lay the vices of vulgar life vpō your aduersary known to be free from the same which euen as stones cast vp into the Ayre fall strongly to the Center might returne heauily on your own head did not I hould thē by force within my pen. Amōgst all your marginall Annotations I must preferre that of your 58. page wher you teach me this lesson Conuitia hominum turpium laudes puta By the warrant of which sentence I may bind your contumelious Pāphlet to my head as a Diademe of honour (g) Circūdabo illum vt Coronā mihi Iob. 31. in which I hope your reproaches shall shine like pearle (h) Matth. 6. Beati estis cùm maledixerit vobis homines dixerint omne malum mentienres at that day when Purgatory and Penitentiall life that now haue got the Conquest of your Letter shall gloriously Triumph ouer Sin and Hell 50. What remaineth but only that I beseech him who with fiue pretious woūds on the Crosse redeemed the world that these my fiue reasōs fiue Purgatiue hearbs may work powerfully in you which I will not faile to do As your Iouiall Genius moued you to make a firme purpose neuer to reply to my answere (i) pag. 68. but to spend your time in laughing and sleeping (k) Aut dormitabo aut ridebo so do I feele the diuine spirit vrging me to a contrary course now more thē euer to imploy the rēnant of my life in watching weeping (l) Vigilabo flebo praying with harty groanes (m) Postulat pro nobis gemitibus inenarrabilibus Rom. 8. particulerly for your reclayming frō heresie that doing pennāce for your sinnes making satisfactiō in this world you may without any Purgatory or with a short sindge therin passe vnto the place of euerlasting Saluatiō From my Chamber in Hierapolis this 8. of September 1613. FINIS Faultes escaped in the Printing Page Line Fault Correction Pref. 6. 9. shirts skirts 4. 29. any my 9. 22. Photinians Popinians 16. 27. feare fayre 28. 3. blot bolt 38. 32. Should Could 40. 1. shame signe 54. 16. his puppy this puppy 59. 9. life selfe 57. 26. as the at the 103. 18. denying deriuing 105. 5. he who 113. 2. meerly merily ibid. 12. pleasure measure 142. 5. 25. Genua Geneua 145. 28. tould tould 146. 6. lucks tucks 147. 21. flight of flight Of Other faultes of lesse moment by reason of the obscure Copy and absence of the Author haue likewise escaped which the Reader may easily find and correct of himselfe FINIS

to eternize my memory I should not match my selfe with cōtēptible aduersarys by whose ouerthrow profit that eternall may accrew vnto them small praise redound to my selfe by the conquest of scoulding and feminine writers (e) Nullum aut memorabile nomen Foeminea in paena est 29. That the Ladies liberall purse-promises hired me to write is so base a surmise and doth so smell of the trencher that if I may without your displeasure I will rather thinke it the suggestion of some hungrie minister or mercinarie Lecturer then the conceipt of a Knight If I finde no greater stoppe in my race to heauen then the gathering vpp of goulden-apples I shall not need much to feare the loosing of the goale I am sure if you know me well you would be loth the mony you lately made of your woods should haue no more watchfull custody then my thoughts would affoard euen vnto greater summes which education hath made ouer proud to stoope to such base cares Manie that haue more conuersed with me then you haue done will thinke some of your Ministers more skilfull in taking other mens purses then I am in keeping my owne I am content with the inexhaust treasure of his Prouidence who feedeth the Birds of the ayre and clotheth the Lillies of the fielde which doth assure me I shall not want when perhaps your (f) pag. 65. competent patrimonie may be wasted 30. The Lady you glance at as giuing me first encouragement (g) p. 22. to write I neuer saw her nor receiued message from her nor was a pennie richer by her whilst she liued or poorer by her death who died in the Catholike faith as I expected as I haue heard a Knight though Protestāt yet of better credit then your selfe that was present with her not many houres before her death auouch though your Snarling Cerberus seemeth to barke at her ghost as if without Purgatorie it had gone to your Protestāt heauen But the short is your conscience is so tender as you blot out your owne coniectures both against the quick and dead without any care of truth or feare of sinne THE SECOND CHAPTER THAT THE BOOKES OF THE MACHABEES WHERIN Is taught our Catholike doctrine concerning Purgatory is Canonicall Scripture against the Falshood both of the Letter and Counter-snarle NOvv hauing stopped the mouth of your rayling Cerberus I may the more boldly suruey your Hell or Letter against Purgatory to feare me from the discouery of the folly and falshood wherof your Counter-snarle was written You bragge (a) pag. 27. that amongst all you wrote in an hundreth and fourteene pages I haue only a spite at one leafe which lyes in the heart of the letter Lyes in the hart Against what should truth the friēd of truth beare greater hatred specialy those lyes being grosse and inexcusable corruptions of the most learned of the auncient Fathers cōcerning a point of highest importance to wit the Canonicall Authority of the booke of Machabees where Purgatory and other pointes of Catholyke doctrine which you peremptorily deny are clearely proued If lying killeth the soule as the Holy-Ghost saith (b) Sap. 1. Os quod mentitur occidit animam your leaues that haue lyes in their heart what are they but a dead letter 2. Wherefore I will begin the examination of your letter with that leafe you tearme the hart therof Which I proued in my Treatise most false and rotten not conteyning so much as one true lyne whereof I wrote in this sort (c) Ouerthrow p. 133. And here by occasion of S. Augustine and the booke of Machabees I must giue M. Crashaw warning that in proofe of his assertion he bring not such testimonies as are the three Syr Edward Hoby alledgeth out of S. Augustine to proue that he reiected the Machabees ignorantly and impudently corrupted not by Syr Edward himselfe I cannot thinke so dishonorably of men of his calling but by his Trencher-school-maister or some mercinarie lecturer perchance euen by M. Crashaw himselfe who is great in the bookes of this credulous Knight whome they make flye hoodwinkd to catch flyes which if I pull off that he may see how they abuse him I hope he will take it in good part 3. These were my words then which shew a double falshood of your Snarler first it is false that I absolutly accused M. Crashaw as the Authour of those corruptiōs which yet you auouch (d) pag. 56. insteed of perhaps by M. Crashaw making me say yea by M. Crashaw himself for though I did as I might specially suspect him whose desire to deceaue was well knowne vnto me yet I neither did nor durst so peremptorily affirme knowing that manie others besides him may vse that coolening art Secondly you say that I tearmed you notorious falsificatour (e) pag. 32. which was farre from my thoughts and further from my pen. wherwith I did fence your head from that blow The truth is your vnsauourie Letter is so sweet to your tast● distempered with selfe-conceipt that out of feare some ministers should lurch you you greedily put euerie sillable therof into your owne mouth though it be dressed in the sower sawce of manifest falshood rather will you be thought a false corrupter of soe graue a Father then not the true father of that false brat Had it bene any discredit to haue confessed those quotations were by some minister suggested vnto you Your valiant Writer and Deane D. Morton was he not driuen by his aduersarie to acknowledg that he had taken some corrupted testimonies of our Authours Vide his paramble to a further Encounter vpon the credit of Io. Stocke or R. C Why should that taking authoritys in grosse be thought a blemish in a Knight which was esteemed tolerable yea laudable in a Doctour Or why should you snarle at me for deuising in your defence such an honorable excuse that had you stood vnto it you might both haue layd your falshoods vpon another as that Doctour did and yet haue bene ranked as he is amongst your Protestāts famous authours the marke your ambitious penne aymed at 4. Let it be whose it please a Ministers or a Minstrells Child in the defence therof you vtter so manie new fooleries and falshoods that I make no doubt but the Reader of this my letter if those corruptions were yours will confesse that you haue greater strength of malice to beget falshood then store of witt to mantaine it You say (f) p. 27. that like a Spider-catcher I trauaise my ground with a goodly florish as if I meant with the weake Goddesses to bind Iupiter but if I bring not some Briareus to assist me it will not be long before I be out of breath This is so mystily spoken as I vnderstand it not I dare not say it is an high mysterie or a soaring Birde least you flout me with well flowen Buzzard (g) p. 21. If by Iupiter you meane your selfe and by