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A85049	A true relation of a dispute between Francis Fullwood minister of West-Alrington in the county of Devon, and one Thomas Salt-House, as 'tis said, of the county of Westmerland: before the congregation of them, called, Quakers; with some others that accidentally heard thereof: in the house of Henry Pollexsen, Esq; in the said parish of West-Alrington. On Tuesday the 24th day of October 1656. / Published by some that were present at the dispute; out of a single and sincere desire, that error may be shames, and the truth cleared. Together with an answer to James Godfries queries, by the said F.F.	Fullwood, Francis, d. 1693.	1656 (1656)	Wing F2520; Thomason E892_12; ESTC R206561	22,146	38

most remarkeably in the discourse Which doth even perswade us when we have thought thereupon since that though M. Fullwood had more charity for him in his discourse yet indeed he was a Papist The Lord awaken us betimes least we say peace peace when sudden destruction cometh Vale. A True Relation OF A DISPUTE between Francis Fullwood c. THe Quaker having ended his long discourse the drift whereof seemed to be onely to call the people to minde the light within them and to cry down the Ministery under the title of false prophets Mr Fullwood turned himself to Mr Pollexfen and said M. Pollexfen I acknowledg my self under your roof and therefore I shall speak nothing here without your leave M. Pollexfen replied you have liberty to speak your mind But before M. Fullwood could begin to speak he was prevented by a woman Quaker who began before him and forced the company to waite with patience till she had ended such another though shorter discourse as her brother before had delivered When she had ended M. Fullwood began to this effect Fullwood I have one word first unto this woman that spake last and that is to charge her with speaking expresly against the Scripture Sh● told us that eternall life was not to be found in the Scriptures whereas the Apostle saith expresly that the holy Scriptures are able to make wise unto salvation Woman There is one lie already Didst not thou say thou wouldst speak but one word and hast thou said but one word I call the people to witness Full. I said I had one word to say to you I can easily instance the like expression in Scripture however I hope I have A w●rd of Exh●rtation Acts 1● 15. learned of him who when he was reviled reviled not again The man Quak. Let that pass the Scripture saith the same that she did Full. Doth any Scripture affirm that we cannot finde eternall life in Scripture Quak. Yea That Scripture which she intended as I shall shew thee Full. Pray Good people observe what he undertakes to prove viz. that the Scripture saith we cannot finde etenall life in Scripture Quak. 'T is in Joh. 5. Search the Scriptures for in them ye think to have eternall life Christ doth not say that ye shall have eternall life therein but ye think c. Full. Pray observe is here any such thing as he undertook to prove doth this Scripture say we cannot finde eternall life in Scripture it saith indeed ye think ye have eternall life in Scripture but is that ye cannot finde eternall life in Scripture Quak. But the Scripture saith He that hath the Son hath life not he that hath the Scriptures Ye will not come to me that ye may have life Full. True but this Son in whom eternall life is is alone to be found in Scriptures as the next words affirm they are they which testifie of me therefore eternall life is to be found in Scripture and thus your own text overthrowes you Full. But these had the Scripture and yet they did not come to Christ that they might have life they were without life though they had the Scriptures Quak. But these Scriptures continue and reveal this Christ in whom alone is eternall life and therefore could they but have searched the Scriptures untill they had found Christ therein they would certainly have found eternall life therein Here are in the text two propositions and an exhortation grounded thereupon 1. In the Scripturess ye think ye have eternall life 2. And as if he had said ye do not think amiss for they are they which testifie of me 3. Hereupon our Saviour grounds and strengthens his exhortation Search the Scriptures Why Because ye think ye have eternall life in Scripture and they do indeed testifie of me in whom alone is this eternall life therefore eternall life viz. in Christ may be found in Scripture Woman Can the letter of Scripture alone give life Full. The Scripture is able as a means though Christ alone be able as the principall cause to make wise unto salvation Quak. 'T is the man of God wise unto salvation Full. There are two truths in the words 1. The Scriptures are able to make wise unto salvation 2. They are even able to make the man of God wise unto salvation The Company Come leave this here is an end of this Full. I shall now expect satisfaction from you speaking to the man-Quaker for I have many things to charge you with out of your own discourse But for our clearer process I desire to know first what shall be Judg betwixt us whether the Scripture or not Quak. Yea I am contented that the Scriptures as thou callest them be our Rule Full. I would ask but one thing more Quak. Nay Have I not answered thy question now thou shalt answer me one question Full. What is it Quak. Whether is that the Gospel-ministry that preacheth for hire Full. Have but a little patience and this will have its due place my other question is but in order to our clearer proceeding also Quak. Nay but I have answered thee one question already Full. One word will answer this also The Company Let him speak Full. My second demand then is this Whether the Scripture shall be our Rule in the express letter of it or whether we may draw any consequence from it Quak. I 'le have none of thy meanings or conceivings the very letter of the Scripture shall judg betwixt us Full. I am contented then that it should be so Quak. But now answer thou my question Is that a lawfull Ministry that preacheth for hire or not Full. Sir I expect that you prove from Scripture what you have delivered to us first Quak. Nay now I have answered thee two questions wilt not thou answer me one Full. Yes I will answer it it will come in its course Mr Tripe Then let M. Fullwood put one thing to you first which you delivered to us and do you answer to that and then let him answer this question Full. I am contented Quak. Thou hast a writing in thy pocket he saw M. Fullwood take Notes of his discourse give me thy writing and thou shalt be answered in writing Full. No Sir then for ought I know some Jesuit may answer it and not you I have you here now and expect that you answer for your self Quak. What thou afraid of Jesuit then Full. You shall find through Gods assistance that I am not afraid of you Woman Doest know the voice of a Jesuit when thou hearest him if not thou art a false prophet for the true Prophet knows the voice of a stranger Full. Prove that good woman Woman So I will The Scriptures say a stranger will they not follow for they know not the voice of a stranger Full. Well proved therefore they do know the voice of a stranger Woman But doest thou think that there is ere a Jesuit here Full. I am more charitable Yet more certain I

A True Relation OF A DISPUTE BETWEEN Francis Fullwood Minister of West-Alrington in the County of Devon and one Thomas Salt-House as 't is said of the County of Westmerland before the Congregation of them called Quakers with some others that accidentally heard thereof In the House of Henry Pollexfen Esq in the said Parish of West-Alrington On Tuesday the 24th day of October 1656. Published by some that were present at the Dispute out of a single and sincere desire that Error may be shamed and the Truth cleared Together with an Answer to James Godfries Queries By the said F. F. I will provoke you to jealousie by them that are no people and by a foolish Nation will I anger you ROM 10. 19. LONDON Printed by A. M. for Abel Roper at the Sign of the Sun in Fleet-street over against St Dunstans Church 1656. The Preface to the Reader IT seemeth strange to some that M r Fullwood would venture to go into the Quakers meeting but his encouragement thereunto was that that friend who desired him to go hoped that much good might be done thereby and also assured M. Fullwood from M. Pollexfen in whose house the meeting constantly is that he should have free liberty It seemeth yet more strange that M. Fullwood would go himself without giving any notice thereof to any of his friends who might have been helpfull at least as witnesses to him But for satisfaction hereunto the warning was so short viz. on Munday evening for Tuesday morning at eight a clock that that could not have been done well Besides he had no thoughts of making a set dispute of it till provoked by the Quakers railing discourse And had he not gone some would have been ready enough to have said he durst not If any take occasion to wonder at the printing hereof the reasons are plainly thus 1. We hear that the Quaker threatens to print the debate himself from whom we can expect no faithfullness therein 2. We hear that some others who did not write say they will lay their heads together and print as much as they can remember which if they should it must needs be done very imperfectly 3. We hear that since we suppose prejudiced persons are ready to say that the Quaker had the best which unless we count railing reasoning and impudence Arguments we unfainedly think we have all reason to wonder at Especially when we consider how readily plainly punctually and even from the very Scriptures which he himself urged he was in every thing refuted not giving any satisfactory reply to any one answer made by M. Fullwood as we confidently presume would easily be acknowledged by those that are most prejudiced would they but seek to remember the most plausible or else every one of his replies one after another and seriously though never so briefly w●igh them which without partiality we earnestly beseech them to do Wherefore we humbly put this Narrative before them that their more steady eye may take a truer apprehension thereof than their ear before had done Let none slander us with unfaithfullness in the relation We are very certain that we have given the whole reason on both sides and that those which lie under greatest prejudice will upon the reading hereof be forced to confess that most of the very words of M. Fullwood are here set down Truth is the Quaker was so full of impertinencies and repetitions that his words here set down seem to bear no proportion to his tedious and rude discourses but verily we are not conscious to our selves of omitting the least part of reason or shew of reason brought by him and words without reason may pass as wind If any other can remember the least part of his reason not here noted they may print it if it be worth the Press Yet we are again confident they cannot Yea the weight and evidence of M. Fullwoods answers though extemporary is such that we think we may safely let them loose not only to what was said that day but to what can be replied upon the deliberation of all the Quakers betwixt this and Westmerland from whence 't is said this Quaker came So that if any shall print another Narrative let them but be faithfull in setting down M. Fullwoods own answers or arguments in their due weight and fullness or as they are here represented and they may take what liberty they please in setting down his answers or any other themselves can frame or obtain from others We may give freely where we know it will be freely taken whether we give or not We know not that we have concealed any thing save some infirmities viz. repreaches and vile speeches which indeed were such and so many as even forced some of M. Fullwoods more ingenuous adversaries to say that they wondred that flesh and blood could continue so long under such temptations with so much patience and meekness as he did and to use the words of another of them they did verily beleeve E. I. not another Minister in England could have done the like There were some things very remarkeable 1. The cunning craftiness of the Quaker was such that do what M. Fullwood could to force him to it he still found some trick or other to evade the maintaining those passages of dangerous consequence which he let fall in his first discourse which were not a few and which he took notice that M. Fullwood wrote down 2. That he took all occasions to bring the dispute to such points as lie in difference betwixt us and the Anabaptists that thus he might engage the Anabaptists with himself which he indeed effected the greatest advantage that he got that day 3. That upon every stand or difficulty he continually fled unto the common refuge of Hireling taking Tythes divining for money c. discourse too gratefull with such people as use to follow such leaders 4. Though he at first urged to have the express words of Scripture to be the Rule of the Dispute yet he himself did not so much as once keep himself so exactly thereunto which would perswade us that he had some further fetch therein which he had no opportunity to discover 5. Yet his cunning deceived him in that as is most remarkable the very Texts which he himself urged as before was noted afforded so direct and plain an answer upon every occasion that he had no room left for any colourable reply and which forced him to fill up the time with either most empty talk or abusive speeches or plain silence thereby giving way to others to divert the discourse 6. Lastly and which did justly amaze us how boldly and with what enforcing repetitions did M. Fullwood challenge him to set down his opinions and engage that thereupon he would at the next meeting bring Papists books and shew the people his opinions therein and how faintly and almost tauntingly and at last even shamefully and silently did he let it slip as appears more fully and