for it is the earth shall help the woman Answ The courtesie the Saints received which was from them whose hearts was opened that the Lord had opened by his power that is not condemned But your taking Tythes of people you do not work for and casting into Prison till death for not giving it you How are you like the Apostles or like the Ministers of Christ or like the woman thou speaks of the Church that was persecuted Now you persecute this signifies she was persecuted And you persecute for meanes and hale up and down in Courts and Sessions and will take treble damages treble tythes of them you do no work for and so you will not stand to the courtesie of people nor wait for the power to open their hearts but are in a power that will take it by compulsion and by violence away from people So you have given judgment against your selves and are not of the number of them the Lord opened their hearts that ministred to their necessities and so unlike the Ministers of Christ that received the courtesies of the people whom the Lord opened their hearts Pr. Thou saith When people have no guide but what is within and that this principle be rooted it will turne all into Babel And thou questions whether it be not a principle of sedition to say that every man hath a light within him Answ All people in the world runs into Babel and Babylon and are building up and throwing down and so goes into confusion about Law and Gospel Prophets Christ and the Apostles words when they be from the spirit within of truth to lead them into all truth and up to God the Father of Truth of whom they learn that gave them forth and with that spirit are they seen in which spirit is unity which is the bond of peace And the light which doth enlighten every man that comes into the world leads all men out of sedition and they be in the sedition that denies it and sayes to the contrary and in darknesse and cannot comprehend it as John sayes which says this is the true light that enlightens every man that cometh into the world And Christ says Believe in the light And the Prophets said God gave him for a Covenant of light to the Gentiles and a new Covenant to the Jewes and he shall be the Leader of the people and salvation to the ends of the earth and every man that comes into the world is enenligtned He that believes is saved and he that believes not is condemned already Pr. Thou queries When the Act of the Commission for the Ministry was repealed since Christ said he would be with them to the end of world And thou saist It is not said simply they shall teach no more every man his neghbour but it is added Know the Lord. Thou saist that every man is enlightned onely with a naturall reason and the elect are enlightned with a saving knowledge Thou saist I bring John 4.23 to overthrow all outward worship Thou saist You can praise God with your bodies and spirits Answ The 7th of Matthew Matth. 24. Christ said false Prophets should come and should be inwardly ravening wolves having sheeps cloathing and John said they was come Chap. 2. Chap. 4. And in Revel All that dwelt upon the earth went after them and such killed the Saints When they had gotten a head they killed the Saints and the true Ministers and they that were of the false killed the true and since those dayes the false hath reigned which hath wrestled with flesh and blood prisoning killing the creatures and warring against them and not with the Principalities and spirituall wickednesses and powers of darknesse and such hath been out of the power the Gospell the Apostles were in hath killed them that kept the testimony of Jesus the spirit of Prophecy And it is said plainly Heb. 8. They shall not teach every man his neighbour nor every man his brother saying know the Lord for they shall all know me from the greatest to the least saith the Lord And so thou perverts the Scriptures and art judged by them for it that belies them And the light that doth enlighten every man that cometh into the world is the same Light that the Elect lives in which the world not believing in the Light Christ Jesus the Elect and covenant of light and life and peace promised to the world they are condemned already but he that believes in the Light is saved so that saving is sufficient And Christ sayes they that worship the Father must worship him in spirit and in truth Not at Jerusalem not at Samaria nor at the Mountain So say I not at your Masse-houses with a Crosse at the end of them which the Popes set up and you since the dayes of the Apostles So they that worship God must worship him in the spirit and in the truth Truth doth not change neither doth the Spirit and these be them the Father seeks to worship and hath found many And Christ overthrows the outward worship at Samaria and Jerusalem and the Mountain and so do we at your Papists Masse-houses and tell you God is worshipded in the spirit and in the truth and those are the true worshippers that God seeks to worship and that will stand when Masse-houses Samaria and Jerusalem is down the spirit and the truth that remains In the mouth of the wicked praises is not comely And as for your singing Davids conditions or the Saints conditions given forth from the spirit when you confesse you are not in the spirit as they was that gave them forth So then judged with it to be such whose mouths the praises are not comely that be in another state then they where that gave Scriptures forth And Adams state before the Fall thou knowest not but art found in the steps of the Pharisees and Papists As the Pharisees got words of the true Prophets and Moses out of the life so the Papists and you have got the words of Christ and the Apostles and be out of the life and persecuting them that be in the life as the Pharisees did and killing the just the just being imprisoned in your own particulars as it was in the Pharisees And you with your dark eyes have looked upon the Scriptures ever since the apostacy and ravened from the spirit of God the pure eye and so with that you are comprehended felt over and seen over and with that shall the principle of God in you all be answered that you are apostatized from the Apostles in life and power and doctrine and so are in heaps about their words out from that which is the ground of communion the bond of peace And all thy confusion in thy Book is thy own garments who with it is for the fire the witnesse in thy conscience in the day of thy condemnation shall witnesse it Thomas Tillam his Booke called The seventh-day-Sabbath His Principles answered as Followeth Pr. 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and true ministers and equall and according to the false prophets and deceivers Secondly Againe you are not according but contrary to the true ministry and Ministers of Christ in practise for they were led by the spirit of the Father which dwelt in them and they preached the Gospel by the spirit and spake as the spirit gave them utterance and went up and down the world through Nations converting people to the knowledge of the truth and what they had handled tasted seen and felt of the word of life in them that they declared to others and preached the Gospell which they had not received from man nor by man but by the Revelation of Jesus Christ in them But your practise is not such but contrary for the spirit of this world leads you and it you follow in all your works in your preaching praying and in your whole worship in forme and tradition what you have studied for out of books and old Authors you preach to people and what ye have noted in a book that you preach by an hour-glasse and not as the spirit of God gives you utterance and you seek out and enquire after great benefits and much money by the yeare and where there is much Tithes and Gleab-lands and such like thither and to such a place you goe and seeke after to be Ministers there and there you remain 20. 40. more or fewer yeares as you can agree with the people and while they will give you so much as will content you and maintain you your wives and families as you say respect not whether any be converted to God by your preaching but people remaines alwaies in blindnesse and ignorance generally and without the knowledge of God for you preach other mens words and what you have collected in your imaginations from the Saints words an hour by a glasse leaning upon a soft cushion and for money and and hire preaching to the people and this is your manner of practise and Ministery in these Nations but thus did not the Apostles nor Christs Ministers but the contrary and by your fruits and works it appeares that you are not followers of that spirit that Christ and his Ministers were guided by neither are lawfull successors of the Apostles but by your fruits and practise you manifest that the Lord never sent you nor Christ never called you into his service to be his Ministers for in all your practises and in your whole performances of worship you differ and doth not agree but are contrarie to what the practise and worship of Christs Ministers and Churches were in the daies of the Apostles this I charge upon you in the Name and by the Authoritie of the Lord God and am able to prove it against you face to face or otherwise to shew that you are not of the same spirit but contrary to the Saints and Apostles of old and so not true succeeders of them nor lawfull Ministers of Christ as to all people it is and shall be made manifest Thirdly You disagree and are contrarie altogether to the true ministrie and to the Apostles in respect of your maintenance and wages for the wages which Christ allowed his Ministers was into whatsoever house they entered that was worthy they might eate such things as are set before them for the workeman saith he is worthy of his hire and the Apostles eat onlie of the fruit of the vineyard that they had planted and of the milk of the flock which they kept by a free gift of the people which they had begotten to the faith and to whom they sowed spirituall things it was but as a small matter if they reaped their carnall things yet as a free gift they would doe it and the Apostle said he would not make the Gospel of Christ chargeable And in this manner were Christs Ministers and Ministrie in wages and gifts upheld and maintained outwardly in the world But your practise and maintenance is not such but contrary as is fullie made manifest for you will have so much by the Yeare promised to you in Tythes money or Gleab-lands or stipends and of drunkards and swearers and prophane wordly people who are not sheep of Christs flock nor plants of his vine-yard you will have so much of each of them and of every man in such a compasse as you call your parish and if any either out of covetousnesse or good conscience cannot pay you you sue at Law and cast into prison for wages and spoile their goods and take treble nay some times 5. double damage and through violence and injustice and cruelty are you maintained in such a manner and not as the true Ministers and Apostles of Christ were but in a way and manner quite contrarie as it is manifest and so herein it is proved that you are not lawfull successors of the Apostles and Ministers of Christ Fourthly Againe you follow not the Apostles and true Ministers of Christ but are contrarie to them in doctrine as this following vollume will clearly manifest which for this very end is collected from your own mouths and pens that all men may see what you are and what you hold and professe and being truely laid down and answered let your selves and all sober men compare your doctrines and sayings with the doctrines of the Apostles and they may see you agree not with them but are contrary to them and now friends to all you that professe your selves to be Ministers of the Gospell I do hereby declare unto you in the name and authority of the Lord that we have controversie with you and a great charge against you in all these things in your call in your practice and in your maintenance and in your doctrines and our mouthes hath the Lord opened and they cannot be shut from declaring and crying against you as such whom the Lord never sent but are contrary to Christ his prophets and Apostles in all your waies and practices and the hand of the Lord is certainly against you and his power and dread wil come over you and lie upon your consciences Now Reader whosoever thou art that reades this following volume if thy mind be sober and thy heart right towards God thou may come to a good understanding of the ground and cause of this great controversie between the Priests and the professors of this Nation and us who are in scorne called Quakers for it is not unknown to Nations of this great debate and battel now for some yeares of continuance in this Nation no man can be ignorant what putting in prisons and what persecuting and what preaching and printing against us and what reports and same hath been through this Nation for some yeares past and the Quakers so called have written and spoken and printed against the Priests and their worships and waies and doctrines and declared against them as deceivers and false prophets and such as never were sent of God on the other hand thus have the Priests and more
the Apostles And yet Paul judgeth him again and saith as many as are perfect are thus minded Pr. He saith there is a contradiction in the Letter speaking of the Scripture page 60. Ans Shewing that he doth not know to what condition iâ— was spoken for there is no contradiction in it but in them that be out of the spirit that gave it forth is the contradiction Pr. And he saith there is a Perfection that respects Justification and not Sanctification see page 61. Ans Now there is no Perfection but where there is Sanctification Pr. And he perverteth the Scripture of John that saith If we say we have no sin c. And he saith Whosoever saith he hath no sin deceives himself See pag. 62. Ans So he wrongs Johns words and puts he for we and is charging sin upon the Elect and so himself is found a Lyar. For there is a time for men to see they have sinned and a time to confesse and forsake sin and a time to witnesse the blood of Christ cleansing from all sin and he that is born of God doth not commit sinne And here the children of God are manifest from the children of the Devill And Eaton hast thou been preaching and praying all this while and never yet heard the voyce of God The night is upon thee thou hast no answer from God And as for the rest of Eatons lyes we let them rest upon his own head not being worth mentioning the witnesse of God in his conscience shall answer in the day of his Judgement John Bunyan Richard Spenceley John Burton and John Childe in their Book that they call A vindication of a Book called Some Gospel TRUTHS opened These Principles followes And as for his Lies and Slanders they will come upon himselfe they are his own Garments And for the Scriptures which he quotes they are owned but not to cover the WOLFE withall IN his Epistle to the Reader he saith The Quakers will own that salvation was obtained by Christ this is truth saith he And but a little before he saith They do deny that salvation that was obtained by him c. And thus he hath shamed his Father of confusion that taught him the father of lies who says and unsays for salvation is owned by Christ and God and no other Pr. Again in the same Epistle he denies Salvation is obtained by Christ within and saith the Scriptures doth not prove it and calls it fighting against the Truth c. Ans When as the Apostle saith work out your salvation with fear and trembling and that is within And the ingrafted word is able to save souls and that is within And the Apostle saith If Christ be not in you ye are reprobates And that is not opposite to Christ without them nor contrary to the Scriptures And no one knows salvation but who knows this Christ in you who is the salvation and where he is within there is salvation and so thou art one of the Reprobates that can talk of Christ without and denies him the salvation within Pr. He saith the Quakers own Christ Jesus revealed to them in spirit and calls it Delusion Ans And yet he saith others are carried away with errour for not receiving Christ revealed in the spirit and this is his patched up stuffe comprehended with the spirit and with it is judged who finds fault with them that have it and is against them that have it not Pr. He tells people of the history of the Word As he saith some have no other witness nor knowledge but the history of the Word and the relation of others c. Ans And yet he is against the Revelation of the spirit in the Quakers But he is one of the Beasts officers to fight against the Lamb but it is to no purpose who thus builds up and throws down Pr. Again Bunyan is railing against the Priests and runs up into the Pulpit himselfe Ans And so the Wolfe hath got the Sheeps cloathing and they can speak of Christ without who be reprobates who have him not within Pr. He saith The Lord Jesus Christ is afar off in his bodily presence Ans And yet he saith the Lord is at hand And the Apostle saith he was in them And Christ said he would dwell with them Pr. He saith They were sealed by Christs death at his offering upon the Crosse Ans And yet Christ must come to save them at the last day And the Saints witnessed their salvation while they were upon earth and said Christ was in them except they were reprobates And the Son of God was come and gave them an understanding Pr. He saith the Quakers witnesse the teaching within which he saith the Apostles witnesseth the contrary c. page 4. Ans Why dost thou wrong the Apostle and put thy lyes abroad when as the Apostle said and Christ said the spirit of the Father spoke in them And the Apostle said the Law and the Covenant of God was in their hearts and the anointing was within them to teach them But why fightest thou against the Apostles teaching the Apostles doctrine and Christs doctrine Dost thou not see thy weapon now fails thee Thou hast cast thy selfe without and hath not the Apostle and Christ corrected thee here now Pr. And to prove that the blood of Christ was shed before the world was he brings a Scripture which saith the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world c. An. Here all may see whether this be a fit man to teach or whether or no he be not one of the Novices I leave it to all to judg his measure who have a just measure for the Scripture saith since the world and thou saist before the world was Pr. He saith That the son of Mary God man is absent from his Church Ans Contrary to Christs words I in them and they in me And I will be with you to the end so one of the blinde Prophets contrary to John who saith we are in him and that is true and thou saist he is absent from his Church And the Apostle said he was the head of the Church but of your Church we believe he is not the head but will grinde you to powder And thy words and thy doctrine are corrected by Christ and the Scriptures And Christ said where two or three meet together in my name I will be amongst them and the Saints were flesh of his flesh and bone of his bone Pr. He saith To be justified by Christ is not to be justified by the spirit within and that Christ within doth not work out justification for the soule but must look out for salvation unto that man that is now absent from his Saints on earth these are his words Ans Corrected by the Apostle who saith he works all in us for us and yet thou saith that Christ is absent from his Saints on earth who is corrected again by the Apostle who saith Christ is in you and
stirring up the blinde zeale where it is against Christ where he is in his Saints such as keepeth his Testimony whose thirst is after blood and persecution who would stop the Presse that Truth should not be published to the Nation Shewing yee have not the spirit that is able to gain-say nor able to contradict the spirit that is in the Quakers Therefore do you beg with your Petitions and feigned humility for the powers of the Earth them to stop But where the spirit of wisdome and of God and of a sound minde is ruling the intents of your minds are seen such as was then in all ages that brought upon heaps and stirred up tumults and made Insurrections among people and casting mists before Magistrates eyes whereby they might be blinded and turned against the just For which cause brought Gods judgements upon such as you and Magistrates both and rebuked KINGS for his Anointeds sake John Toldervyes Booke called The Foot out of the Snare His Principles And these whose names were subscribed to the Book viz. Thomas Brooks Thomas Jacomb George Cockayn William Adderley John Goodwin John Tombes William Jenkins and Matthew Poole Priests WHom the Priests and his intent is to father the work of the imagination that was in John Toldervy upon the spirit of the living God and of Christ that is in the Quakers But all their work and imaginations is with the Light and the spirit of Truth judged and him and his Priests and all them their feet fast in the snare And all that is in this Book which is contrary to the truth and the Scriptures is judged but all that is truth is owned And here is some of their Principles as followeth John Toldervy and the rest in the Book entitled The foot out of the snare he and they would lay all his actions upon the Light but they split themselves against the Rock and he himselfe hath split himselfe upon the Rock which made him recant again and deny all his foolish actions and so these great high Priests come off with shame Pr. He saith the declaring against all sin is nothing of the mystery of the Gospell of Christ See page 3. Ans Ignorant are you for that which makes manifest sin is the light of the glorious Gospel of Christ the mystery all his will-worships and his will-actings his self-righteousnesse and obediences and motions and fancies which he followed the Priests would lay it upon the Covenant in the heart and Christ within and doth not clear the Covenant and Christ within from all those actions which was destructive to the creature which Christ the Covenant preserves and the creation and brings the creature into the liberty of the sons of God and here your madnesse and blindnesse appears without distinction Pr. He saith Not to call any one Master nor to pull off the hat to any one not to you any one but to use the word thee thou to a single person not to use any Complements or greetings to any not to bow to any man to honour the Creature not drinking to any and to pull off the points and ribbons from his knees band-strings and hat-hand and buttons that was unnecessary on his Coat and other things and burned divers books c. And call this that put off all these things which were unnecessary they calls it seduced perswasions c. See page 15. Ans Now all these that have born record with thee under the life are ye come and judged which abides and remains and for ever with it judged For to instance as for not calling men Master that is the command of Christ As for the not fashioning your selves according to the world in your former lusts of ignorance that is the command of the Apostle And as for the forsaking of gorgeous apparell naughtiness and superfluity they are corrected by the Scriptures and judged by the spirit And as for drinking to one another and tempting one another with Beer and bowing the Hat and respecting and honouring the Creature which is earthly Adams honour in the Fall which Christ receiveth it not the second Adam And as for respecting of persons they that do so commit sin and are convinced of the Law as transgressors And now see where thou wast and all the Priests in your seduced perswasions and judgeth good of evill and evill good And thou and the Priests may see that all this that which thou did from thy own perswasions is thy own will But that which led thee from sin and from the world to righteousnesse was owned that shall be recorded for ever against thee and all the Priests and stand a witnesse against you though now thou art in the flower of thy age And it will be hard for thee John the Priests to get in that which ye have spread abroad and the weight and the feeling the burthen of all thy words and your words ye are not yet come to feel But when the fire and the heat enters into your flesh that ye are scorched with the vehement heat then remember every word that ye have given forth comes pat upon you a burthen From a lover of your soules and a cherisher of truth And John and the Priests all the Actions which was done in thy will and set forth in the same to the view of the world by the Priest which abused the power and that which was of God rising in thee to the sight of the world crucifying afresh the Son of God and so puts him to open shame Thou wilt suffer and the Priests and that which was done in thy presumption which abused the power of the Lord God that was never accepted of the Lord God nor never owned by the men of God But there is a thousand I do believe in the Nation that can see and do see what thou and the Priests have recorded to the world and are able to judge when the power moved thee and when there was imaginations and see that the Priests took thy part and are one with that nature in thee which betrayed the just even Judas like and mind and take notice those that Judas betrayed Christ to as thou betrayed the just too See what friends they were to Judas and what friends they will be to thee after that Judas has done and after that thou hast done now come to the just principle in thee John thy flight was in the winter And as for the word Thee and Thou spoken to a particular shews they have forgotten the Latine books that which they call their Learning for is it righteous to call one many or many one That is a sound speech which cannot be condemned And all people upon the earth that have run out in their imaginations whereby truth comes to be hurt if they have done it willingly the greater shall be their punishment they shall be whipt however But all you that have bent your wills and given your strength to the adversary of God whereby the way of
my knowledge of them c. See Pag. 2. Ans The Quakers are revolted from you Apostates that are inwardly ravened as the converted Jewes did that were turned to Christ for the Jewes revolted from the Temple and the Priests and turned to Christ from the other Jews and owned the Light which lighteth every man that cometh into the world which you Revolters deny that have reigned since the dayes of the Apostles and so are ignorant what we are come to and the Apostles were in and that which was before you and they was Pr. He saith the Angels of Light which are holy and without sin may be devils c. See pag. 3. Ans Which the devill fell from the Light from the holiness and so he cannot tansform into that And all holiness intended which is not in the light is as the Pharisees was in and the whole world and is condemned with the Light He saith salvation by the Light within is cursed c. See pag. 6. Ans Contrary to the Apostle who saith the light that shineth in the heart gives the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Christ Jesus And contrary to John who saith every man that cometh into the world is enlightened And as many as received him to them he gave power to become the Sons of God and the power of God is the Gospel of salvation to every one that beleeves in the light And he that beleeveth in the Light hath the witness in himself and the Apostle turned them from the Darknss to the Light And the word was in their hearts of Faith that saves the soul and there was the glad tidingâ— the Gospel And Priest Shaw saith the Gospel is the four bookes of Matthew Mark Luke and John And the Apostle saith it is the power of God and saith many have the form but deny the power So now here himself he hath cursed So this same man is a curser as the Papists are Both he and them are found out of the doctrine of Christ and the Apostles who saith bless and curse not And the Scotch Priests likewise are cursers as in the Scotch Principles ye may see and no one knows salvation but by the Light within which doth enlighten every man that cometh into the world who is the salvation to the ends of the earth Pr. And he calls his Steeple-house St. Andrews See page 7. Answ Which never did Prophets nor Apostles give such names to houses but the Pope who is his teacher Pr. He saith It is an errour to say that the light which every one hath that cometh into the world is sufficient to salvation without the help of any other meanes or discovery c. See page 9. Answ Contrary to Christ who brought the Jewes off of all others helps to himself who said Believe in the light while ye have the light and they that believed in the light should not abide in darknesse And no man cometh to the Father but by me saith Christ For he was the way the truth the light in men and the life and there is no salvation by any other name but by him And there is none knows the blood of Christ which cleanseth and the offering for the sins of the whole world but with the light which cometh from Christ Jesus who is sufficient who is the salvation to the ends of the earth so he is the only means without any other help And as the anointing in people doth teach people they shall continue in Christ and as they walke in the light as he is in the light they shall have fellowship with the Father from whence all helps comes and Christ will dwell in man and walk in man and what need they have any more helps Pr. He saith It is an errour to say we are justified by that which Christ doth in us c. See page 9. Ans Contrary to the Apostle who saith we are justified by faith in his blood and the faith is in the heart and the blood is in the heart that purifies it and held in a pure conscience And the word of faith is within Rom. 10. And faith gives victory over the world and that which gives victory justifies and Christ is within who is justifi-fication and sanctification and condemnation either of them is found within and thou art in the errour and not fit to talk of these things which thou understands not Pr. Again he saith It is an errour if not damnable to say Christ is the means and that there is no other means of salvation c. see page 13. Ans And Christ saith No man cometh unto the Father but by me and he is able to the utmost to save And he shall be my salvation to the ends of the earth saith the Lord. And saith the Apostle God is in Christ reconciling the world unto himself And he that hath the Son of God hath life and the Father and the Son are one and there is no salvation in any other Pr. He saith That Christ gives light to no man under that name but believers c. See page 13. Ans Contrary to John who saith he doth enlighten every man that comes into the world that all might believe through the light And contrary to Christs own words such as hated it and would not come to it and bids them believe in the light while they had it and he that did not believe was condemned already and he that did believe had the witness in himself Pr. He saith It flatly contradicts the whole Scripture to say that the light wherewith Christ hath enlightned every man c. will save c. See page 14. Answ Which God saith I will give him for a covenant for a light to the Gentiles new covenant to the house of Israel and Judah and he shall be my salvation to the ends of the earth and believing in it are saved and not believing are condemned Pr. The wise heathen Philosophers had a greater measure of light in them which is the first Adam then I can thinke any men have now c. See page 15. Answ Which shews that he knows none of Christ the second Adam the quickning spirit And he knows no new creature For who are in Christ are new creatures Nor none of Christ the Covenant of God of light of life of peace who was glorified with the Father before the world began which is beyond the first Adam and hath shut himself forth not to be as high as his Heathen Philosophers and many witnesse Christ in them in this age as in the dayes of the Apostles which is above the Heathen Philosophers Pr. The light which every man that cometh into the world is enlightned withall is Christ he saith this is the light of nature and of reason And saith It is a damnable doctrine to deny all externall means of salvation c. See page 16. Ans When as the Apostle saith We looke not at things which are seen
never finde him And as for the rest of thy lyes and slanders in thy Book and unsavoury expressions which are not worthy mentioning upon thy own head they will come one day and thy own words shall be thy burthen Jeremiah Ives his Booke called Innocency above Impudency or the strength of Righteousnesse exalted above the QVAKERS Weaknesse and Wickednesse His Principles are as followeth Pr. HE saith It is a rare thing to see any of the seed of the Devill grown up to that degree of impudence to charge a man that he hath done that which he never did do c. Answ The seed of the Devill always said that which was not true so not a rare thing to finde them for the Devill and his seed is out of the truth and when he speaks a lye he speaks of himselfe and so speaks a thing that is not and there thou art Pr. He saith The Apostle in his Catalogue of the evils of the times c. page 1. Ans Is it not better to call the Scripture a declaration as they call themselves then to call them a Catalogue and some of you vvill say it is a History and some a Catalogue and again ye vvill say it is the Word of God which the Scriptures of truth is words and God is the Word and thou art in the evill time out of the good and thy time and day is evill Pr. He saith The Quakers give that name as quaking to themselves and others do not give it them as a Nick-name c. See page 2. Answ The first that ever I did hear them called Quakers and the name given to them of Quakers was one Gervase Bennet in Darby a persecutor called a Justice of Peace though many years before the power of the Lord was witnessed yet I never heard them have that name of Quakers given before that corrupt Justice gave it them and misnamed them so and in scorn called them so and thou art one of his Scholers and Quaking and trembling we own though they in scorn calls us so and the salvation wrought out with fear and trembling we witness Pr. He saith The Devill speaks truth sometimes c. page 2. Ans Christ saith he was a lyar from the beginning and when he speaks a lye he speaks of himselfe and hath no truth in him and so he cannot speak truth as it is in him And the greatest professors upon the earth are there of the Devill that speaketh the words of truth but not as they are in it as so saith Christ to the Jewes they were of their father the Devill they speak of themselves So they that speak the Scriptures not by the spirit as was by them that spake them forth they speak of themselves as the Devill doth that abode not in the truth but a lyar from the beginning and thus the truth comprehended it For it is one thing to speak the truth in the truth and to be in it for he speaks not of himself but the truth in him but the other all speaks of themselves and there thou art and so doth the Devill and truth is not in him nor them and there with truth they are comprehended Pr. He chargeth us Whether ever any gave worse words to us then we did to others c. page 9. A. To speak truth is not to give bad words to tell a Cain he is a Cain or an Esau or an Ishmael to be an Ishmael or a Wolfe he is a Wolfe and say the evil Beasts are the evil Beasts that are worse then the common beasts And to say the greedy dogs that can never have enough are worse then the common dogs that are biting and tearing and are worse then the common beasts that feed in peace and eates their meate in peace Now to speak such words and names as these are to them that are not so that is a giving of bad names wrong names But the spirit that gave forth the Scriptures it gave such names to such as was found in those steps It le ts see now and the whole Nation may witness that friends may answer to his Challenge and the Gaols and the Courts doth shew the greedinesse of such and their persecution and their malice against the Lambs and so the Saints in the spirit doth give them their proper names to properties in their places among which names thou art found Prin. He saith Much of the Scriptures may be understood without the spirit c. page 12. Ans The Scriptures was given forth from the spirit of God and they are the things of God and the words of God and they are not known nor understood but by the spirit of God again for there is a spirituall understanding Neither can they understand any of the Scripture of truth which cannot be broken but by the spirit of God within that gave them forth which is of God of whom they were learned Pr. He saith Christ was not a Minister of the circumcision c. See page 14. Ans And the Apostle said they were circumcised with a circumcision made without hands and the putting off the body of sin of the flesh they were circumcised with the spirit but who was the Minister of this Circumcision For the Apostle saith it was the circumcision of Christ Coll. 2.11 And again the Apostle saith We are the circumcision that worship God in spirit and have no confidence in the flesh Pr. He saith What man in his right wits would say a wildernesse was a City c. page 14. Ans When the people have transgressed the Law of God they are erred from his wayes they are become a Wildernesse and bears the fruit of brambles and bryars and not seeing any way to get out till the Lords mercy be manifest to them which is further then the Law of justice And thou hast not seen thy wits end yet nor seen the Wildernesse in thy heart fenced though a City and the children of Israel were called a wildernesse in trangression though in Cities Pr. He saith He can tell things to come without the spirit of God And thou saith the Pharisees could tell by the skies what should be the weather and the dayes should bring forth and this without the spirit of God c. page 15. Ans That which gives to understand the Creation and the altering and changing of the Creation either in weather or dayes It is the wisdome of God and his spirit by which all things was made that knows these things in the truth who counts the Stars and numbers them in their kinde who sets the Sun to rule the day and the Moon to rule the night Now who understands these things it is by the spirit of wisdome who understands them aright and there may be a wilfull rejecting and a having these things in the form yet not a knowing these things in truth and so Christ calls them hypocrites And a man may know things by the spirit and go in the errour from the spirit
decease and the false Apostles Devils messengers and Ministers of unrighteousnesse was got up before the Apostles decease and the false Prophets were gone out into the world and the false spirits before the Apostles decease as in John which since the dayes of the Apostles they have led the world after them they have been received into houses and corrupted the whole earth of whom you have been Therefore the Apostles brought the Saints then to the annointing within them and to the light that shines in their hearts which would give them the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Christ Jesus which light you bring from it And now since the dayes of the Apostles have ye been carried away swallowed up by such as have not the Father and the Son and the false spirits that went forth into the world and the false Prophets and Satan who hath transformed himself as an Angell of light and the Ministers of unrighteousnesse and false Apostles which do confesse they have not the same spirit as the Prophets Christ and Apostles had so are erred from the false spirits and false Prophets who hath been destroying since the dayes of the Apostles and gone out into the world and false Apostles for the false Apostles Satans Ministers transforming themselves as Angels of light the false spirits that went out into the world and the false Prophets these went all out from the spirit that the Prophets Christ and the Apostles was in So these were the spirits that was to be tryed by them that had the anointing in them you who now are seen and tryed by them that are come to the anointing in them to be gone out from the Apostles Pr. He saith You put out the eyes of poor soules by bidding them to hearken to the light within c. page 14. Ans The eye that sees the soule is the light which cometh from Christ the Bishop of it and no one knows the eye of the soule but who comes to the light within and opens it which cometh from Christ the Saviour of it which gives him the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Christ 2 Cor. 4. and lets him see his Saviour Pr. He saith I do affirme that no man can have salvation by vertue of his obedience c. page 17. Answ He that believes is saved he hath salvation he that doth not is condemned already and no man hath salvation but by believing and where believing is there obedience is to the Gospel They that obey it not are condemned and neglect their salvation Pr. He saith They lay in wait to deceive who call the breaking of bread carnall pag. 18. Ans We cannot say that the outward bread is spiritual the bread which perisheth the carnal and we say Christ is the bread which is spiritual and they deceive people which say outward bread is spiritual and not carnal Pr. He saith How should we have known sin to be sin and righteousness to be righteousness and a Christ that died at Jerusalem but by the Scriptures he saith nay we could not have known those things Page 21. Ans That which makes manifest sin is light and they that had Scriptures knew not Christ that died at Jerusalem but that they crucified him And David and Joshuah saw his sufferings and saw that Judas should betray him and they that had Scriptures knew not sin from righteousness they knew not the sin of unbelief they knew not Christs righteousness who had the Scriptures and knew not the way to the Father but turned against the light the truth as you do which makes manifest sin and as the Pharisees did Pr. To say The officers of the Church are invisible its plain of the Father the Devil Page 24. Answ The holy Ghost made the officers of the Church overseers and that made the officers the overseers to be invisible for they saw with an invisible eye and so they was in the spirit which is invisible and not in the flesh else they could not be overseers in the Church of God and you are the visible apostatized from them Pr. He saith that which is contained in the Bible is spirit and life Page 25. Answ That which the Bible declares of is spirit and life which is Christ which you are ignorant of that hath the letter and deny the Light and so saith life is contained in the letter Pr. He saith the Scripture is able to make men wise unto salvation c. page 25. Ans Through faith it is for the Pharisees and chief Priests had Scriptures yet were not wise unto salvation neither are you who deny the Light of Christ and they are seducers and evil men which the Apostle saw coming in which should wax worse and worse and have over grown the world with hardness and prejudice and wickedness that have the Scriptures but have not been made wise unto salvation without faith in Christ Jesus which have been since the dayes of the Apostles who have had the Scriptures without the faith and so out of unitie Pr. He saith Paul spake of some men that should be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord and his glory that obey not the Gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ See pag. 36. Answ Who obey the Gospel obey the power of God and comes to the substance the end of all the Scriptures and obeyes the Light which Christ hath enlightned him withall And such as disobey the power disobey the Gospel and so you have brought judgement upon your selves who get all the form and put the form for the Gospel from the presence of the glorious God and his power doth the power punish them which they disobey which power is the Gospel And those was coming up before the Apostles decease which have led into disobedience since the Apostles decease but now by the power of the Lord manifest that discovers it Pr. He saith Christ left us an Example who is our example c. pag. 32. Ans And yet ye are offended at others who say he is their Example and would have none to own his light so he is not your example that deny the Light Christ but him that is out of the Light Pr. He saith for a perfection in glory to be attained to on this side the grave I utterly disown page 43. Ans Where glory is in the least degree it is in perfection and who have not glory and doth not attain to glory on this side the grave they are in a sad condition For the Saints rejoyced with Joy unspeakable and full of glory and they witnessed the hope of glory within them while they was upon earth and of that hope they was to give a reason that was in them and they saw the glory of God and the Father and so came to be changed from glory to glory till they were come into the Image of God And the Apostle saw before his decease such as
would not endure sound Doctrine such as was given to fables and had the itching ears and heapes to themselves teachers and those forsook the faith which such have now since the dayes of the Apostles reigned whereby none among them comes to be out of all teaching that they need no man to teach them and that they need not say know the Lord and to see the glory of God None comes into the everlasting Covenant into the power out of the form and none cometh to know all things by the anointing in them but they are all on heapes about their heapes of teachers and itching ears and so cannot endure the sound Doctrin that any should come into the Covenant of God that they need not to say know the Lord. That is the sound Doctrine to come into the Covenant of God Christ Jesus the substance of all the Prophets glorified before the world began to learn of him who is the way to the Father the truth and the life and the heaps of teachers are all erred from him and the Apostles and so from the true teacher Christ Jesus who saith learn of me And there people would destroy one another about their teachers which Christ teacheth otherwise to love their enemies and so there is men following their imaginations and not the Lord and reprobates concerning the faith in which is the unity and there are you Pr. He saith Paul did not commit the Church to the light within them for he told them deceivers should come c. page 39. Answ Paul when that deceivers was come and false Apostles among the Church of the Corinthians he told the Corinthians that the light that shined in their hearts would give them the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Christ Jesus and so hear thou shewes thy ignorance of Scriptures and of the Church and of Pauls Doctrine whose work was to bring them to the light within them when the deceivers was got up and so committed the Church to the light within them and told them that that would give them the knowledge c. So they that draw people from the light within are the false spirits that the Apostle speaks of that went out into the world before the Apostles decease which led the world after them by whom the way of truth came to be evil spoken of for the Apostle told them that the Light that shined in their hearts would give them the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Christ Jesus and not their teachers without them as you do who bring them from the Light within them and so act contrary to the Apostles Pr. He saith to bring people to the Light within is dispising the word again he saith the Light that is in a man is not able to lead him to happiness c. page 50. Answ No man cometh to happiness but who cometh to the Light within which cometh from Christ the happiness of all man kinde the Redeemer the restorer of man kinde out of the fall out of the first Adams state to God into the second Adams state who is the Covenant of God with man in which they have peace So in this Light stands every mans happiness and he that hath the happiness hath Christ the light within him and the peace with God And the light within which cometh from Christ the word is not against the word nor Scriptures which are the words but it ownes them and with them hath unity and no one sees the word but with the Light within And as for all the rest of thy unsavoury expressions and childish speeches is not worth mentioning And thou hadst better have let silence have covered thee then to have published thy nakedness to the Nation for thy words will be thy burthen in the time of thy necessity the witness shall answer in thee Ralph Farmers Booke called Satan enthroaned in his Chair c. His Principles follows Ans Which is a Title sutable to himselfe discovered by the children of the day who is his Seeds-man as to the Nation he hath declared But them that be in the Truth Love and Peace he doth not touch Pr. HE saith We do not pretend to infallibility as you do which is lying and hypocriticall c. Ans We do believe you that in the infallible spirit of God you are not but in the false fallible spirit gone out into the world that went forth from the Apostles who had the spirit of Christ And so how can you be Ministers of the Spirit and not the Letter if ye be not infallible For who be in the spirit are in that which is infallible This I say none be Ministers of the spirit nor none be in the spirit nor none have the spirit of Christ nor the holy Ghost nor the spirit of the Father speaking in them but who have that which is infallible and in that which is infallible And they be in the lying spirit and hypocrisie that be out of it and all the false spirits that is gone out into the world So ye do well to confesse that ye have not the infallible spirit yee are not infallible and so no Ministers of the spirit And how can they but delude people that are not infallible and are none of Christs which have not the spirit which is infallible and are not Ministers of the Gospell which is the power of God which is infallible Pr. He saith We are foretold that false Teachers that shall bring upon themselves swift destruction and evill men and seducers which wax worse and worse deceiving and being deceived should come And there should come false Christs and seducing spirits and the doctrine of Devills speaking lyes in hypocrisie such as deceive the hearts of the simple with their feigned speeches c. See page 39 40. Answ Hast not thou here brought forth thy ignorance of the Scriptures which saith the seducers and the false Christs and the false Apostles the Doctrine of Devils and the feigned words and fair speeches which deceived the hearts of people came up before the Apostles decease and doth not thou in this shew thy spirit to be that spirit that went out into the world not able to divide the word aright but art telling people they are now come when as the Apostles saw they was come before their decease which since the dayes of the Apostles all the confusion hath been among them and you that deny the light are in distraction And yet ye that be not infallible in the infallible spirit but fallible are crying to people they are come but now and so grow until ye are worse and worse And thee and the Priests of Newcastle and many of the rest of you are crying against such as say Christ is their example And yet many of you have published to the Nation in print that Christ is an example and the men are respected who speak them and not the words simply as they are in
is upon them that leave the Scriptures to look to the light within them Page 9. And many deceivers should come into the world that confesse not Christ come in the flesh receive them not into your houses And the man Christ is testified against by the light Pag. 13. and he saith they publikely deny the resurrection of the dead body And he saith Christ in the flesh his sufferings was but an example and a figure Ans Christ ended all figures in suffering and examples and paterns yet he is the Saints patern and example as the Scripture witnesses and there is no other example nor patern to be heeded but Christ alone which they are to learn of but to say he is nothing but a figure for that thou and you all will be judged for he ended all figures and is the resurrection and the life both and thy dead body shall live with my dead body this is Scripture and they that said the resurrection was past in the dayes of the Apostles overthrew the faith of some That which overthrowes the faith denying the resurrection kept the seed in death where it hath been in you all since the dayes of the Apostles for who are of faith are of Abraham of Christ according to the flesh and so if the dead arise not their Preaching is vain and their faith is vain So I say mortal must put on immortality and corruption must put on incorruption the first man was made a living soul the second was made a quickening spirit there is earthly bodies and heavenly bodies and there Is a resurrection of the just and unjust the one to eternal life the other to condemnation And the Judge is the man Christ Jesus to Judge the quick and the dead who both dyed and rose again that he might be God of the dead and the living And the light which every man hath that cometh into the world doth not testifie against Christ And the light doth not bring to deny the Scriptures but to own them And none ownes them aright nor Christ but who are in the light which cometh from him And all that do deny the light that doth enlighten every man c. are the wolves and the false Prophets and Antichrists that have gotten the sheeps cloathing and such cannot be received into the houses of the Saints that are from the light which every man is enlightened withall And none confesseth Christ come in the flesh but who is in the light which Christ hath enlightened them withall And so now is all Professors and teachers upon the earth and Kings of the earth ravened inwardly from the light which Christ enlightened them all withall standing against the light and the Lamb and the Saints that be in it and are not to be received into the houses of the Saints neither to bid them God speed for they be out from God that be out of the Light which Christ the Son hath enlightened them withall Pr. And he saith Christ hath a humane reasonable soul Again Christ the Eternal Son of God distinct from the Father Eternally before he was made flesh his spirit was distinguished from the Father and the Son from Eternitie and not onely when he was manifested by descending on Christ in the likeness of a Dove or by falling upon the Apostles like cloven tongues c. page 17. Answ Christ saith he is in the Father and the Father is in him and he will send them the Spirit of Truth the Comforter that proceeds from the Father and the Son and Christ saith he was glorified with the Father before the world began and yet ye say the Son is distinguished from the Father from Eternity and the Son saith he is in the Father and the Father is in him and you say the spirit is distinguished from the Father and the Son from Eternity and Christ saith it proceeds from him and the Fathers and he is the God and Father of the spirits of all flesh and the substance of all things And is not a humane soul earthly for you say that Christ had a humane soul and is not humane earthly and hath a humane body and is not a humane body an earthly body Is not his body of the seed of Abraham according to the flesh and is not his body a glorified body was not the first man of the earth earthly and had an humane body the second man the Lord from heaven And is not the soul immortal which cometh out from God which is immortal and goes into God again and is not humane or earthly mortal And are there not three that bear record in heaven the Father the Word and the Spirit and are not they all one how then are they distinct and three that bear record in earth the spirit the water and the blood which agree in one And Christ saith I and my Father are one and I in the Father and the Father in me and he is in the Saints and so not distinct Pr. He saith it is impudency in the Quakers to deny the word Trinity and three Persons And the Church ever denyed such as denyes the Doctrine of the Trinity Page 18. 19. Ans As for the word Trinity and three Persons we have not read it in the Bible but in the Common-prayer Book or Masse-book which the Pope was the Author of but as for Unity we own and Christ being the brightness of the Fathers glory and the expresse Image of his substance of the Father we own That we own which agrees with the Scriptures and for that which the Scripture speakes not which men speak and teach for Doctrine their own words that the Scriptures speakes not nor teacheth such the Scriptures shut out and we deny Pr. He saith that is the weak ignorant dark and the wicked Sect of the Devil that maintains an equality with God the soul to be one being with God or part of God And saith the Quakers say there is no Scriptures speakes of a humane soul and the soul is taken up into God and God is all in all Answ The Assembly or Synod of Priests put forth a Catechisme and say that the Holy Ghost and the Son is equal with the Father in power and glory and this they put forth that people should learn it what then if any come to witness the Holy Ghost they come to witnes that which is equal in power and glory with the Father what if any come to witness the Son of God revealed in them which he that hath not him hath not life do they not come to witness him who is equal in power and glory with the Father this is your own Catechisme and is it blasphemy to confesse your own words that ye have given people to learn God breathed into man the breath of life and he became a living soul God who hath all souls in his hand And is not this that cometh out from God which is in Gods hand part of God of God and from God and to
is not meer carnal bread and wine after Christs institution to be used nor an ordinary bread and wine And he saith In the Lords Supper is Christs body and it is his blood page 188. And this is my body and blood the word of a Command do this page 191. And Christ fed not the soules with wheat bread and red wine c. Answ By all this what differ ye from the Papists have not ye laid their foundation and layd their ground Bread and wine is but bread and wine a temporall thing a thing seen and may turn to ashes but the body and blood of Christ will not do so And the bread is not spirituall and the wine is not spirituall but is a thing seen and visible And who eats the flesh of Christ and drinks his blood hungers no more and thirsts no more but who eats temporall bread and wine hungers more and thirsts more And Christ did say as often as ye do eat this bread drink this cup ye shew the Lords death till he come And that which the Apostle had received of the Lord he delivered to the Corinthians As often as they eate that and dranke that they were to do it in remembrance of him shewing the Lords death till he come But then saith the same Apostle to the same Corinthians in his last Epistle Examine your selves Know you not that Christ is in you except ye be reprobates And said while we looke not at the things which are seen for the things that are seen are temporall So bread and wine are things that are seen are things temporall but the things that are not seen are eternall Now bread and wine is but bread and wine not spiritual after consecration it is but the same bread as it was before and it is no nearer the body of Christ after they have consecrated it then it was before Who is in the life and power of God that gives every creature its being and causeth every creature to come forth is in the life and vertue of all creatures and the being of all creatures and the wisdome of all the Creation that is spiritual He giveth every creature its being and causeth every creature to come forth and gives the sense and feeling of all creatures that is spirituall And there comes up the soule to be known and the seed CHRIST his body and his blood Pr. He saith The worship of God in the spirit stands out of mans will and they must waite in the light to feele the Spirit but let all lost souls beware of this counsell And to bring people to the commands of the Spirit is opposite to the Scripture Letter page 204. Answ All true worshippers of God that he seeks to worship him is in the spirit in the truth that which the Devill is out of and in the spirit that gave forth the Scriptures that is that which mans will is out of where all poor souls comes to worship God aright and magnifie God and glorifie God and to pray in the spirit and to stand in the counsell of God For no prophecy of the Scriptures came by the will of man It was that which led them to speak forth Scriptures which was beyond mans will So mens will getting the Scriptures which no prophecy of it came by it they cannot worship God in the truth nor in the spirit but in their own wills But who be in the spirit and truth that led them to speak forth the Scriptures that learned of God the Father of spirits and God of all truth this is not will-worship Now will-worship is among them that have the Scriptures given forth by the spirit of God in their owne wills which no prophecy of it came by it and can sing pray preach read in their own wills and be out of the spirit that gave it forth they are in a will-worship out of the worship of God in the spirit And such are opposite to the Scriptures and cannot agree with the letter of the Scriptures that are fighting about words falls into sects and heaps about the words which the worship of God is in the spirit that gave forth Scriptures which learned of God the Father of spirits owns all the Scriptures in their places and nor opposite to it Pr. He saith Never was Psalms sung as they ought to be but had some musicall tune or Poetry page 205. And the holy Ghost made overseers and Elders over the Church but that was not immediate page 207. That no man can read out of Scripture that Paul was free from covetousness c. Answ Paul saith Let not covetousnesse be once named amongst you as it becometh Saints And no covetous one should enter into the kingdom and hee saith it is idolatry And the Apostle lived the life of the Son of God through the faith and witnessed he was made free from the body of sin and had victory over it thanks God and said there was no condemnation to them that were in Christ Jesus and Paul was in Christ where there was no condemnation which covetousnesse is out of And the holy Ghost is immediate that makes the officers in the Church It is the same as was in them that led them to speak forth Scriptures And the holy Ghost that leads men to speak forth the Scriptures and makes Elders and overseers in the Church these are not made by men but these see the fulfilling of the Scriptures and comes into that which fulfils it and are in it And your singing your Psalms and your Poetry and setting them in frame and a musicall way these are come up since the Pope as Tunes Organs since men have ravened from the spirit and gone from that they got up this Poetry and turned Davids conditions into a Meeter and given them to a people who are ignorant of Davids conditions And Psalms are spirituall songs and all are ignorant when they are from the spirit of God that led the holy men of God to speak forth the Scripture with which spirit of God all the Psalms and Spiritual Songs and Hymns are seen which from it was given forth and all the Scriptures and in that is the singing in the spirit And the Ministers maintenance which the Apostle said Have not I power to eat and power to drinks And as Christ said freely ye have received freely give This was not spoken to the Heathen nor Jewes nor Gentiles who were unconverted but spoken among the Saints who was a Vineyard and spirituall things sown and to such as they were made partakers of their hope which hirelings and those that taught for filthy lucre the love of money that minded earthly things that seek for their gain from their Quarter that beare rule by their means was all out from this judged with the Prophets Christ and the Apostles to be such spirits and have got the forme and taught for the earth and made the earth a Wildernesse and such got not out the Wheat nor plowed but
for he abode not in it Pr. They say Faith is not perfect in respect of its degree and measure in us Answ The faith of God is the gift of God and it is pâ—rfect in us in it's measure and degree though thy measure and degree is not perfect and here thou hast tryed thy faith and thy gift which is not perfect for the gift of God is perfect Pr. And yet they say The worke of this faith is for purifying and justifying and not perfect in the degree and measure of it in us Answ Can an unperfect thing purifie and justifie And doth not the Scripture speak of one Faith that gives victory And doth not the Apostle say that faith abides And can that abide which is not perfect And Christ saith He that hath faith as a grain of mustard-seed shall remove mountains and is not that perfect Now here all men may see if you who call your selves Ministers divide the word aright We say faith is perfect in the least measure and degree the righteousnesse of faith Rom. 10. And it is that with which men please God which faith works by love and so brings off the works of the Law by which faith men are justified which is in the heart Pr. They say It 's a manifestation of the deluding of poore soules to hold forth a crucified Christ within risen within ascended within and Scriptures within and saith this is a new Gospell Answ If Christ that 's crucified be not within and Christ that 's risen be not within I say that you all are Reprobates and if the Scripture be not within which was spoken forth from within you all want the spirit that gave it forth and Christ the substance of it and you have not eaten his flesh neither are you of his bone and this is not opposite to Jesus Christ without that dyed at Jerusalem but the same for who eats his flesh has it within them and this is not a new Gospel Pr. And they say False Christs hath a new false faith to apprehend this crucified Christ within Answ Which is contrary to the faith of the Apostles which preached Christ that 's crucified within and not another him that was raised up from the dead was risen that Lord Jesus Chrâ—â—â— within the same yesterday to day and for ever by whom the world was made glorified with the Father before the world began It was he that was manifest in the Saâ—nts that was and is and not another for the other is the Antichrist Pr. And they say It is a Scripture of the Devills making to apprehend this crucified Christ within Answ Now I say if there be any other Christ but he that was crucified within he is the false Christ and the Scripture holds forth this and the Devill never made it but he and his messengers are against it And he that hath not this Christ that was risen and crucified within is a Reprobate though Devils and Reprobates may make a talk of him without Pr. They say The light of revelation renders Gods Christ odious Answ None knows the Son of God but by revelation and with the Light and they are them that renders Christ odious that be out of the light of revelation of the Son as the Pharisees did as now the Beast and false Prophets doth in making war against the Saints in light and the Lamb but the Lamb and the Saints shall get the victory glory to the highest They that walke in the light are not opposite to Christ but to the Beast and the false Prophets but are in unity with the Son and with the Father Pr. And they say What a sad doctrine is that which saith follow the light with which Christ hath enlightned all which cometh into the world A. This is contrary to the Apostles doctrine which was to go into all Nations to turn people from darknesse to light and preach the new Covenant to Jewes and Gentiles the salvation to the ends of the earth a leader of the peeple and contrary to the Apostles doctrine which bid the Saints walk in the light and they should have fellowship one with another and so not sad but fellowship but thou and you that are Apostates are from this light gone and that which doth make manifest is light and with it are you that are apostates from it seen and so follows not the light that every one is enlightned with that comes into the world and so be out of unity one with another and fellowship with the Son and with the Father and be out of his covenant all on heaps in the apostacy that walks not in the light but calls it a sad doctrine to bid others to follow it Ye children of the light ye are the light of the world let your light shine before men that they may glorifie your Father which is in heaven like lamps burning for ye are as a City set on a hill that cannot be hid And Christ saith he that followeth the light shall not walk in darkness Pr. They say It is a rendring of the Scriptures odious and Law by telling of the Scripture within which Christ never taught nor his Disciples but God hath given them up to a reprobate minde Answ Was not all the Scriptures from the spirit within and was it not there before it came out And must not all upon the earth have the spirit within that gave it forth before they can understand the Scripture without given forth from the spirit of God within others And was not the Apostles and Christs preaching of the Scripture within the Law in the heart and the Word in the heart And the Kingdom within and the spirit within leading into all truth the spirit of the Father speaking in you and Christ within and is not this extolling Scripture of truth and are not all they reprobates that have Scripture without and not within Pr. And they say But this is the Devils designe by pretending that people may attain a more excellent way following what is made known to them from the Light withiâ— them A. I never read such a Doctrine that the Devill taught that any should follow that which the light made known within them and I know he did not for he is out of the light and that which it makes known within for the light which shines within makes known the glory of God in the face of Iesus Christ whereby men come to be changed from glory to glory till they come into the image of God and this the light makes known within 2 Cor. 4. Pr. And they say God hath a Christ distinct from all other things whatsoever whether they be spirits or bodies Answ Gods Christ is not distinct from his Saints nor his bodies for he is within them nor distinct from their spirits for their spirits witnesse him And God was in Christ reconciling the world to himselfe who is the head of every creature And there is not any creature but it's manifest in his
not worth mentioning but the Scriptures are owned And Iohn art thou finding fault because men wears no hatbands and eats and drinks bread and water and casts by their pride Now thou mayst see who thou hast taken part with and who is the scoffer and sheweth thy self and who is thy Master short of all good And as for all your bad names and misconstruing of Scriptures it will come upon your selves and thou hast shewed in all thy Book that thou art not able to divide the word aright nor an instructer of Babes Pr. And thou saith that Christ dyed for the sins of the elect Answ And the Scripture saith he was an offering for the sins of the whole world and who shall lay charge to Gods elect whom he justifies Pr. And thou speaks of God destroying men for their ignorance and they shall finde no favour in the day of judgement Answ Whereas the Scripture saith in the time of ignorance God winked at but now he commands all men every where to repent and every man that cometh into the world is enlightned And the spirit of truth shall reprove the world of sin of righteousnesse and of judgement which leads believers into all truth And the grace of God which brings salvation hath appeared to all men but they turne it into wantonnesse which is the Saints teacher And this shall make every tongue to confesse to the glory of God and every knee to bow at his name which is the Emanuel and so none shall plead ignorance as thou saist who art in the ignorance thy selfe but inexcusable because convicted and hast rejected the tender mercies who hast lifted up thy selfe against the Saints and the Lamb but a stone is set over thy head that shall grind thee to powder and the Saints shall have the victory and the Kingdome that is an everlasting Kingdome the witnesse in thy conscience shall witnesse against thee for all thy hard speeches and let thee know that you and thou had better have been silent then to fight against the Lord the Lamb and his Saints that 's the word of the Lord God to thee and you all When ye are judged the witnesse in all your consciences shall answer W. P. his Principles in his Book intituled according to truth that quakes not trembles not nor quailes Pr. THey say If the Apostles had been put to preach upon a short Text or methodically as by a long practice in the Church it is expected from us that they might oft times have studyed for it Answ In this you have shewed your spirits and made manifest you are voyd of the revelation from God and your ignorance of the Scriptures for the holy Ghost shall not speak of it selfe but take of his And the Apostles what they had seen and heard they declared And Christ what he had received of the Father he declared and the spirit that which speaks in the Church and it shews the fulfilling of the Scriptures and it keeps not people long in Texts as the world doth that wrests Scriptures up and down and keep people in sects and so there is the spirit leading into all truth and the spirit of the Father speaking within and the holy Ghost that moved men to give forth Scripture that teacheth to divide the word aright which is the spirit of prophecy in the Church not studying Pr. They say Every man that hath the spirit in some measure doth not attain to the great height and degree that they did that gave forth Scriptures that therefore may not lawfully and infallibly teach as they did Ans Every man that hath a measure of the spirit of God in the least measure or degree it is infallible and so far may they teach infallibly and know Scriptures but they cannot know all Scriptures but as they attain to the full measure of the spirit of the Prophets and Apostles and to the measure and stature and fulness of Christ and if they do not attain to all this they are not able to know all the Scriptures and the work of the Ministers of God was to bring people to this to the measure and stature and fulnesse of Christ and saith Let every one minister as he hath received the grace And take heed of any of you going beyond your measure and them that deny the grace of God appearing to all men cannot minister Pr. They say The greatest part of professors in the visible Church were and are always earthly minded nor can rightly value spirituall and heavenly things Ans In this you and your Ministers hath shewed your fruits like Balaams which withers and are earthly such as Jude speaks of that separateth themselves sensuall and had not the spirit but went forth from the Apostles that are got up since the days of the Apostles Church and Ministry like Priest like people and to be such as was coming up before the Apostles decease as he speaks on in Timothy which minded earthly things like Teacher like People that preach themselves thorow with many hurtfull lusts while they coveted after money they lost the faith and so came people to be all on heaps out of unity in the earth being out of the faith of Gods elect so this is all in the apostacy since the Apostles Pr. And he saith That he is not a hireling that takes wages The wages are allotted to him for his worke Ans But do not all you preach for hire and is it not for hire you preach Now the least in the truth may see you Is there ever a Priest in the Nation but he is hired to work or if he have it not he will not stay Now to prove that you do preach for hire where many Steeple-houses in many Parishes that hath no Priest thither you go not because there is but a little Benefice and they have soules as well as others and where there is agreement for so much a year thither you go is not this for hire and so the Prophets words fulfil'd the Priests preach for hire and all these great sums of money which has lifted you up and gathered a great deale of it out of poor mens labours this hath been the undoing of you all and Nations and many poor people because they cannot put into your mouths but now is God come to judgement upon you all in the apostacy apostates Pr. And thou calls the Steeple-house a Church Ans Which is the Church which is come up since the dayes of the Apostles in the apostacy for the Church is the people of God the elect seed which Christ is the head of who in the midst of this Church doth sing praises which is the pillar and ground of truth without spot or wrinkle Whereas the Steeple-house you call your Church will spot wrinkle and blemish and decay and fall down and wicked men may prevail against it but the gates of Hell cannot prevail against that Church which is built upon the rock Pr. And thou sayst Thou dost not
your darkness cannot comprehend it though it shines in your darkness So for you to talk of Saints judging the world and medling with such things who are to be judged with the Saints who are that darkness that cannot comprehend the light that shines in you who have not light to comprehend the Saints that be in the light who have the just weight measure and balance who are the Judges of the world reaching measuring answering agreeable to that of God in every man And are stumbling at such as are become the Sons of God Adopted Sons and heirs and of the flesh and bone of Christ and of his mind and spirit who are in the possession of the Scriptures the durable life of the Saints which makes you darkness that cannot comprehend the light in your own particulars to rage which none comes to witness Sons-ship heir-ship Sons of God but who comes to the light in their own particulars and receives it and with it comprehends darkness It expels it away sees over the night and are the children of the day And you five Priests have shamed your selves that do not know the soul from eternity to eternity Pr. It is blasphemy to say the soul is a part of the Divine Essence Answ Ye may read in this Book how the rest of the Priests that are called Ministers some of them say Christ is humane the soul is a creature some again say it is part of the Divine Essence it is immortal and again it is appetite and pleasure and in this now is their confusion made manifest The soul is that which came out from God and is in Gods hand which hand goes against him that doth evil and transgresseth against the Principle of God that is in him which goes against the lust which Wars against the soul which hand the soul being in praises God the hand felt the power felt that turns against that which Wars against it here the soul magnifies God and the soul rejoyceth in God the Saviour the soul praiseth God here is Gods pleasure The living Lord taketh pleasure in the living soul and appetite and pleasure are humane these are not immortal which the soul is and so you five have judged your selves to be blasphemers who said the soul was part of the Divine Essence and yet 't is blasphemy to say so Pr. Christ is to rule as a King but in all he doth not Answ Those and you that hate the light will not hear him nor have him to rule over you and them such are for the sword and to be slain before him Pr. And the light which doth enlighten every man that cometh into the world is not sufficient to salvation nor gives a light sufficient to bring to the Gospel know the Mediator and that light which hath enlightened all men withall is not the way but a created light by Christ Answ The light which doth enlighten every man that comes into the world all lights were made by it and created and this is the eye of the soule which gives to see Christ the Bishop of it from whence it comes and this light is the Covenant of God which doth enlighten every man that cometh into the world and this light doth let see the Mediator the salvation the Gospell And all that be from the light are out of the truth they that went out of the truth the god of the world hath blinded their eyes lest the light of the glorious Gospel should shine in them which is the image of God So created Lights were created by it and none knows the truth but by this light and all mens professions be but from that nature that be from this light which hath enlightned every man that cometh into the world which all men must come into before they come into unity with God And none can know the Mediator nor Christ by the created and made lights which were made by the light Christ but as they come into the Light by which they were made that gives them the wisdome of the Creation and lets them see how they were made and so they that hate the Light receive not the spirit of God but remain in their natural state and what such know they know as naturall from Books Authors and Studies So men come not to the Author of their Faith Christ who hates the Light Pr. How ridiculous is it to say Christ dwels in all so in all Answ Christ is the light that doth enlighten every man that cometh into the world and the Scripture saith Christ he is searching the hearts of the wicked and trying their reins and bringing to them their thoughts to the light that shines in the darknesse and the darkness comprehends it not He was in the Saints and the Saints were in the light so he is in all over all and through all and blindnesse darknesse comprehends it not who fills heaven and earth If thou goest to the utmost parts of the earth he is there if thou goest to the deep and to the nethermost hell he is there where wilt thou flye from his presence Have not the holy men of God found this Are all ye Ministers of the Letter so ignorant of the Letter so short and come short of the state that gave it forth And I say such as sit under the shadow of darknesse shall feel if they do but hearken listen and such whose hearts be bad shall feel him searching of them and knocking such as go down to the nethermost Hell and to the utmost parts of the earth they shall feel him if they never stirred forth present and should not need to wander for a habitation but should feel their habâ—tation Such then should come to know their soules progresse which is an inward travel before it come into its Bishop Christ the rest him by whom the world was made before it was made and was glorified with the Father before the world began Pr. And it is an errour to say that the righteousnesse of Christ justification sanctification and redemption that this is all within Answ If Christ be within if not they are Reprobates and reprobates can talke of Christ and them that be out of the truth and the life they can talk of Christ and bring the Scriptures but who have Christ within they have sanctification redemption and justification they have the wisdome and power of God for Reprobates are talkers without for he that hath Christ hath all the other redemption sanctification wisdome righteousnesse is spoken to man and the work is known within as he comes out of the fall of the first Adam Pr. Its errour to say the light that discovers sin justifies Answ The light which is the Covenant of God that doth enlighten every man that cometh into the world discovers sin makes it manifest blots it out justifies sanctifies redeems and condemns them that hate it Pr. It 's an errour that the light within men will bring men to the feare of God and lead men
was never the way to beget to God but that which strikes at the power which captivates creatures reacheth to the witnesse in prison and brings people into unity with God and one another in the spirit which is the bond of peace Pr. To love the Word for the good parts that in regard of the Christian is a dangerous thing and in regard of the Word of God a dishonourable thing Answ Where the good parts are not in the Christian that is a dishonourable thing to the Word and causeth the Word of God to be evill spoken of As the whole Assembly of you Ministers have done by your bad conversations earthly covetous impatient spirits that cannot endure any should speak but your selves in your places so by you hath the Word of God been dishonoured and not honoured for the Apostles did write that they were to shew themselves Patterns and Examples to the Flock of God in life and conversation that the Word of God might not be evill spoken of Now where the Word is evil spoken of and the bad parts in a Christian proceeds this grieves the righteous and causeth the truth to be evill spoken of and the Word makes them vessels of honour in whom it is Pr. Now when Christians leave the Word and Sacraments and Sabbaths it is a dangerous pride lifting up the Light within as they do Answ The Christians that denyed the Sabbaths and witnessed Christ the substance the rest said The light that shined in their hearts would give them the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ And they lifted up Christ the Light and they walked in him the Covenant of God and of light to the Jewes and Gentiles come which who walk in it are in peace with God and unity one with another and have the light of life and rest and all be in the dangerous state that be out of that And as for the word Sacrament there 's no Scripture for it but one of the Papists common words and the Light brings off it and the Jewish Sabbath Pr. Buy the truth and sell it not not pleading for sufficiency of a common light and leaving their Callings as the Monks and their books flying abroad their wings unclipt and no mention of eternall salvation from the wrath to come And he saith he loves the word Sacraments Sabbaths and Ministry Answ Christ came to put an end to the Jewish Sabbaths and the Apostles preached their end and forsook all for Christ and so to revile such as are in the same power and to call it by the unsavoury expression Monkish thou and yee are more like to that that tells us of Sacraments which is from the Monkish holinesse And for speaking of clipping the wings of our Books that flies abroad that 's another unsavoury expression and shews that spirit that it is not able to resist that spirit that gives forth the Books As for the Word and Ministry that thou hast shewed thy selfe against though thou professes the Scripture to be the Word And those are the words of God which Christ the Word fulfilled and this the Ministers of Christ witnesse And ye never read that the Ministers of the Gospell said they loved the Jewish Sabbaths and held up the Sabbaths those were the Ministers of the Law that held up the Sabbaths which Christ the Rest came to put an end to by which the world was made before it was made glorified with the Father before the world began And you sell the Truth and take the world which deny the Light that lighteth every man that cometh into the world which is sufficient to him that believes in it Pr. We exercise and order our preaching for the getting of money and maintenance And the greetings in the Markets is but that which humanity requires nor to be called of men Rabbi else Christ would not have taken it Must a Minister lose the members of his Church and the maintenance of his place both at once Answ Christ said to his Disciples they should know the false Prophets by their fruits and said be not ye called of men Master to his Disciples for one is your Master even Christ and denyed the Pharisees greetings in the Market which thou calls humane right And the Apostles ordered not their preachings to get money by them but they laboured to keep the Gospel without charge and the Ministers of Christ brought the people off the Jewes Assemblies and their maintenance both And yee that be found out of the Apostles Doctrine in the apostacy such as come from you that you do no work for how can you expect that they should give you maintenance or how can you in righteousnesse take maintenance of them that you do no worke for So if ye lose the members will ye take the maintenance which of the Apostles did so Nay is it not the way to gain members to deny the maintenance Is not that the way whereby the power of God may be known that raiseth the seed of God whereby the hearts of people may be opened and whereby the seed is known And the Apostle declared against such as taught for filthy lucre and made merchandize of the Word and that which thou calls humanity which is your earthly right seeing your conversation is in earth and not in heaven Pr. It cannot be concluded that there is a light in every man teaching unto Christ and unto salvation And if Christ put a light in every man that cometh into the world to guide him unto the Father and unto life I deny that to be true for that 's a naturall light which is onely the light which Christ the Word communicates to all men Nay the light that all men have though it seem to make them to know God as God yet it is not sufficient to make them to know that there is a Father or a Son or the holy Ghost that there is a Gospell And saith I am the light of the world that doth enlighten every man that cometh into the world that is both Jews and Gentiles And he that walks in the light shall have the light of life Now here lyes the deceit Answ The light which every man that cometh into the world is enlightned withall the Câ—venant of God to Jewes and Gentiles which doth enlighten every man that cometh into the world which they that walk in the light walk in Christ and come to see before any naturall light was And he that walks in the light shall not abide in the darknesse but shall have the light of life and with the light he shall know God he shall know the Son he shall know the Gospell he shall know the holy Ghost and that light is not naturall And he that knoweth God knoweth the Father and none knows him but with the light of Christ Jesus who reveals him for God is the Father And I will give him for a Covenant a light to the Gentiles a new Covenant
hearers are ashamed of you and will not justifie your practices and so yee have shewed your consciences who take the tenths that you are not exercised with the light neither be in the mystery of the Faith which gives to see the end of all changeable things And are not you begging with your Petitions for more maintenannce with your Petitions flying up and down for Glebe-lands and Augmentations to the powers of the earth and sending for Writs summoning up to the Courts people that you do no work for and this hath been the end of your fruits Pr. He that scorns to make use of the labours of men for his improvement in the things of God shewes himselfe proud If there be occasion to make use of humane Authors which we offer to our Hearers Answ Humane Authors are from the earth from the fallible nature to mixe and mingle that with that which is received from God he shews that he hath not discerning and makes that not sufficient which he hath received from God and this is contrary to the Apostles what the Saints of the Lord had delivered they did not mixe it with mens enticing words of wisdome neither did they speak it in the words which mans wisdome taught but which the holy Ghost did teach them Therefore this is to teach from mens labours or humane Authors for mens Labours and the humane authors invented come out of that nature which prisons the seed of God and so that is not agreeable to that which is received from God but every ones words there shall be his burthen and so humane authors are not to be mixed with the word of God for the word is pure nothing is to be added to or taken from it he that doth shall be proved a lyer and the higher power is not humane nor fallible Pr. Paul and Peâ—er were instructed by an immediate revelation which we are not so presumptuous to expect or to make the Ap stles condition our condition humane learning wil not acquaint us with the mind of God yet being sanctified it is a great assistance to that end Ans Are not ye in the presumption usurp authority to preach or to teach that have not the immediate revelation as the Apostles had but have got their words and usurps the authority and are out of their power is not this usurping Are not all who be not of the power in the words of the Apostles such as are to be turned away from by the command of the Apostle And are not all who be of God and in the power the life that the Prophets Christ and the Apostles were in the immediate revelation of God Can any know the Scriptures or the truth given forth from the spirit of truth learned of God the Father of truth but by the immediate revelation which is the spirit of God which reveales the things of God And thou speakest of study and prayer can any dvide the word aright or pray aright but in the spirit and where that is is not there immediate revelation from God and this thou calls presumption to be in the revelation as the Apostles were in which it is presumption to meddle with their words and not to be in the condition they were in that is persumption and to usurp athority and so ye are them that are got up since the daies of the Apostles ravening inwardly from the spirit of God that they were in have sheeps cloathing which Christ said should come Iohn saw was come went forth form them which since the daies of the Apostles the world have gone after you all but who have their names written in the book of life before the foundation of the world keep Jesus testimony And humane learning doth not help in the way and things of God as it is in it self but as the spirit doth open through all things and beyond all things and comprehends all Languages and sees before languages were that is it that ministers to the spirits in prison and that is not called humane learning which sees over languages and beyond languages and comes to have power over tongues languages and speeches and sees before they were Pr. Costome hath made it the civility of our language to say you to one and not to say thou to a Superiour except it be a Familier It is no great fault to respect mens persons and the Scripture onely makes men wise to salvation And it is a pernitious error in placing justification and salvation in righteousnesse within Ans That the righteousnesse of Christ might be fulfiled in us and where Christ is within there is sanctification and there is justification there is salvation known for there is no salvation known nor felt without but first it is found within Faith evidenceth it the spirit witniâ—sing the spirit comes to witnesse it the light sees it this is within And so they that have these words of righteousnesse of sanctification of Justification without not within are in the error none knows them without but first they know them within and you to a superiour and Thou to a familiar Is not God the Superiour the supream and dost thou say You to God dost thou esteem man higher in a place beyond God is not this ambition and pride and presumption and foolishnesse must thou not come to be judged here and be humbled for your miscariages and Thou to a familiar a person of low degree canst thou speak more familiarly to God then to man Thou to him and You to man is this righteous and sound speech that cannot be condemned Dost thou not in this shew that thou never learned the Accidence or Bible he that respects persons commits sin dost thou respect the poor and the rich in thy words and is by the law reproved to be a transgressor and is out of the faith that is held without respect of persons And as for the rest of all thy lies and hard expressions in thy Book they shall come upon thy self and to thee be a heavie burthen And the day hastens upon thee apace to the witness of God in thy conscience I speak which will let thee see that it had been better for thee if thou had never opened thy mouth then to have opened thy nakedness to the Nation and this is not the way to convert souls to rail for railing never converted any but brought them into a form out of the power and so encreased knowledge which was their sorrow R. Sherlock His Principles as followeth Pr. HE saith They do not attain the knowledge and understanding of the Gospel by the same means as the Apostles did saith he we Preach the same Gospel as the Apostles preached but do not attain to the knowledge and understanding of this Gospel by the same means Answ That which the Apostles received they received from God so ye receiving it not by the same means have received it from men and not from God Pr. He saith
which comes from Christ the mystery though they may have the Scriptures Pr. They that will not put off the hat but say thee and thou to people this is a sin of their own devising Ans Thee and thou is proper language and a forme of sound words the hat is earthly Adam that 's earthly his honour which the second Adam never lookt for but gives this mark to know an unbeliever by who seeks it and looks for the honour below Pr. Is it not a shame for a boy to say thou to his Father thou to his Mother Ans Jephtha's daughter thou'd her Father the Judge of Israel and he did not look upon it as a shame And the children of God thou'd their Father and the Lord never rebuked them for it as we read in Scripture And as for all the rest of thy lyes and slanders in thy Book they are not worth mentioning but to redeem truth from them and that none at all may make them their refuge for they shall feel it if they do at the day of judgement Some of Philip Bennets Principles called Minister at Cartmel in LANCASHIRE Pr. HE saith That none knew another to be the child of God Answ Which is contrary to the Scripture 1 John 3. Ye are the sonnes of God And the Apostles knew others to be the children of God as the Ministers of God doth now Pr. Again he saith That he did not know why God did make a difference amongst men c. Answ So is ignorant of the Ministery which puts a difference betwixt the precious and the vile Pr. And he said None can give a reason of the elestion or know the elect of God Answ And so is out of the Apostles Doctrine who said they were elected before the foundation of the World and ignorant of the Scriptures which saith Christ is the Elect. Pr. Again he said He would never exhort people to take heed to that of God which is made manifest in them Answ Contrary to the Apostles Doctrine Rom. 1. Cor. 2.4 Colos 1. 1 John 2.27 Rom. 10.8 which brought people to the light within them and to the Son within them Christ within them Some of Adam Sands His Principles Pr. HEe said He hated that which may be known of God made manifest in man which God hath shewed unto him who said that was the Quakers foundation And it was told him it was the Apostle Pauls words and shewed him the place in the Bible to read and bid him see it he said again he hated it Answ So he is found in the nature of the Jewes and Gentiles that went astray who were not like to retain God in their knowledge while they are Reprobates from that which may be known of God made manifest in them and hate it Neither art thou nor no Professor upon the earth like to receive God or Christ Spirit or Faith while thou hates that of God in thee Pr. And he called those with him brethren and servants of God and yet a little before he said they had no grace in them Answ Contrary to the Apostle who said the brethrens hearts were stablished with grace And the grace of God which brought salvation appeared to all men which taught the Saints which you have turned into wantonness Pr. And he confessed That they were more and more ignorant of God and blinder and blinder every day then other Answ We do believe it How should it be otherwise with you who say ye are brethren and have no grace in you and hateth that of God in people But the grace of God which brings salvation hath appeared to all men which lets them see ungodlinesse So in that the Lyar speaks in thee for that which lets every one see ungodlinesse is the grace Roger Atkinson Reader at Turver Chappel in Lancashire Pr. THat the letter of Scripture was God and it was asked if the letter paper and inke was God and he said it was God and brought 1 John to prove it And again he said The letter was the Word of God Answ The Scriptures of truth they are the words of God and were all learned of God and are writings and Christ the Word comes to end all these words and all ends in him so the Scriptures are not God but they were holy men of God which learned of God that spoke them forth for he was afore Scripture which gave them forth Richard Stoaks called Minister at Grayrig-Chappel in Westmerland Pr. HEe said That the Scriptures is God He said that the Scriptures is a God And after he set his foot upon it and stampt upon it and he said It was but Hebrew Copies and Greek Copies and were not the Scriptures and said they were not true before near an hundred people Answ And yet a God and they God which the Scriptures of truth are the words of God and the carnall man and the Devill which is out of the Truth may get Scriptures but the word Christ that fulfils them stand against And the Scriptures of Truth are not God nor a God but are his words that cannot be broken and must be fulfilled by Christ the Word George Johnson Priest of Orford said Pr. THat the light which John bare testimony to is the light of Nature Answ Which is contrary to the Scriptures For the light which doth enlighten every one that cometh into the world was before any naturall lights or created lights were Pr. That the Americans were never ordained for grace and salvation and that the grace of God had never appeared to the Americans Answ Which is contrary to the Scriptures which saith The grace of God which brings salvation hath appeared to all men c. And I will give him for a light a Covenant to the Gentiles a new Covenant to the house of Israel and Judah and that he may be my salvation to the ends of the earth And many in America have received truth and salvation Pr. That none can be free from sin nor perfect whilst they live upon the earth and that none is able to keep the commands of God Ans So he hath denyed the one offering and himselfe to be out of the love of God and the Circumcision in the spirit which puts off the body of sin and the blood of the new Covenant These be the Principles of the Priests of Orkney Pr. JAmes Morrison said that Christ which is within men is a Devill and all who said they had Christ within them were Devils and Witches and so bid the people take notice of it Ans Contrary to the Apostle to the Colossians who said Christ in you the hope of glory And to the Corinthians he said Christ is in you except ye be reprobates And they be in the witchcraft and of the Devill that have not Christ in them and reprobates and this was and is the doctrine of the Ministers of God Witnessed by Luke Liddall Souldier with all the rest of the Priests hearers G. W. George Larcum His
them you keep with clubs and staves lest any should be moved from the spirit of the Lord to speak amongst you from the Lord. And your Parishes and Flock which you undertake to prove to be a true Church alack for you that people should be so impudent to say these are pillars and ground of truth or the Steeple-houses be the pillars and ground of truth A company of Drunkards Swearers covetous proud persons given to pleasures you are like them that said they were Jewes and were not but the synagogue of Sathan a nest of unclean birds Pr. We expect not perfect unity till we have perfect knowledge and holiness Ans Have you cryed up your selves to be the ministers of Christ all this while and have not perfect knowledge perfect holinesse perfect unity The least unity is perfect in the spirit and the least knowledge and the least holinesse in the spirit and this you acknowledge you have not perfect unity perfect knowledge perfect holinesse and this hath been the cause you have kept all people since the Apostles in blindnesse out of the unity in that which is unholy who say you have not the perfect knowledge for the least of holinesse is perfect and in the holinesse is the unity in whith is the perfect knowledge though in the least degree and this thou hast confessed you have not and we doe believe you and so out of thy own words thou and you are proved unsanctified for who are sanctified have perfect unity perfect knowledge perfect holinesse Pr. I use notes as much as any man when I am laâ—y or busy c. Ans This is it which holds up your lazy minds which you gather out of books selling it again by the hour-glasse and make that day you call sabbath your market day selling both prayers and preaching who have not the spirit of the Lord to lead you to speak as it moves and to lead you to all truth as it did the Disciples so it is lazynesse indeed that hath set up your notes and reads them by the glasse for money and who have learnd seven years out of books Colledges and then gather up out of your authors books in notes and thus make a trade of them and then teâ—ls the people you are sent and it is the word of the Lord which it is but the reading of books and yet you tell people you never heard the voice of God if any aske you thus deluders are judged out of their own mouths who have a law if any are moved of the spirit of the Lord while they are reading their notes or speaking before or after none to speake against what they have gathered out of their books and studies which was not the works of the true ministry but the worke of those who were out from the true spirit and so were ministers of the letter and old authors and notes Pr. He saith They are unmercifull men that say more glorious dayes are appearing and that the Saints shall rule the world Answ In this thou hast judged thy selfe and there need no more words be spoken to it And the rest of thy lyes and slanders in thy Book which are not worth mentioning they will fall upon thy own head John Cole His Book printed 1658. His Principles in it as followeth Pr. IT 's a common thing for the young Harlot to say minde the Light within Answ The light which doth enlighten every man which cometh into the world all Harlots draws from and be out of it and such may beget proselytes and father them upon God which are not in the Truth but the day is come that all things are made manifest and by it doth appear and the light which every man which cometh into the world is enlightned withall is the offence to all the evill doers who be out of salvation and the Covenant of God and none sees salvation but by it Pr. The young Harlot can but mend evill old Adam by her exhortations and instructions and doings and threatnings and she doth fright some to her obedience Ans The Harlot is in that which evill old Adam is in in the transgression and so they which be harlotted from the spirit of God cannot mend and instruct the transgressor they themselves being in the transgression They may tell them of the Saints words and speak them as the Devill doth who is out of the Truth but thou John Cole art fallen into the earth and there art quarrelling And as for the rest of the stuffe in thy Book which is not worth mentioning but when thou feels the root and tree burn and fall into a fire about thee and thee in it then remember thou hast not that which doth not savour withal as thy confused childish workâ— do appear which in print thou hast published to the world Alexander Rosse his Booke which he calls A view of all RELIGIONS His Lies and Principles Pr. GOd is not in the quaking of the body Ans Was it not God that made the body of David to quake and Daniel and Habakkuk and Job and the mountains quake at the giving forth of his Law And doth not God say He doth not shake the earth but heaven also Now dost not thou manifest thy selfe to be one of them that cast them out that tremble at the Word and tells them that God is not among them And as for Alexander Rosse his lies and slanders in saying the Quakers said Christ had failings and distrusted God which thousands of thousands that can witnesse to thy face thou art a liar it is a sufficient proof to them that thy book is made up of such stuffe of lyes which is thy view from the Creation And the rest of thy Book is much like unto that and the false prophets studying a divination of their owne brain to get money by we deny but such as divide the word aright we own and all that pray and preach and sing for money and make a trade of the Scripture to get money by we disown but such as pray and sing by the spirit we own and all your Readings for money we deny but who reads freely we own and all your Seremonies we do deny and are come to the substance Christ Jesus before the world was made Pr. The leaves of a tree are not the fruits thereof and yet without them the fruit would not prosper Answ Art thou a fit man to give a view from the Creation of the World who erres thus in Naturals For pluck off the leaves of the Vines and see if the grapes will not prosper Art thou a fit man to give a view of Religion and blasphemy and errour from the Creation who art not able to give a true view of the Naturalls Pr. Thou sayest It is horrid blasphemy to say the Scripture is not the Word of God and to say the soule is a part of God Answ The Scriptures are the words of God in Exodus and the four Books of the
Prophets Abraham and Davids words and the Jewes had Scriptures but stood against the way to God Christ Jesus the light as all you doe that stand against the light And Abraham and Abel and Enoch had the way to God before the scripture was written and Christ Jesus is the way to God Christ saith I am the way to the Jewes who had scriptures Pr. That there is no perfection to be attained to while people live upon earth A Then by thy doctrine Christ is not attained to while man lives which is contrary to the Apostles and Christs own doctrine who said I in you and you in me and Christ in you the hope of glory and then none abides in the Vine by thy account which is Christ and none bears fruit to the glory of God who abides not in the Vine and who abides in the Vine abides in the perfection of God and thou art contrary to the Ministers of Christ whose work was for the perfecting of the saints Pr. That Justification and Sanctification differs Answ Justification and Sanctification is one for Christ who is the justification and sanctification is one and it is thou that differs from him Pr. That the word of faith in the heart spoken of in the 10â—h of the Romans is the Scriptures Answ The Apostle doth not say so for many had the scriptures and were under the Law and knew not the word of faith the gift of God Pr. He said the Scripture leads into all truth Ans This is contrary to Scripture for the Scripture saith the spirit of truth shall lead you into all truth this is the promise of Christ and Christs words And Abraham had his leader and Enoch to Christ and to God before the Scripture was given forth Oh that ever men should be set up to be Teachers that are so blind concerning the Scriptures and receive so many thousand pounds a year for teaching And the Jewes had scriptures and were not led into all truth as you Christians are now therefore are you all in heaps about them wanting the spirit to lead you into all the truths of them Pr. He said That Christ and the Father and the holy Ghost are not one but they are three therefore distinct Answ This is the denying of Christs doctrine who saith I and my Father are one and the holy Ghost proceeds from the Father and the Son and he was conceived by the holy Ghost and they are all one and not distinct but one in unity that which comes out from him leads the Saints into all truth that ever was given forth from the spirit of truth and so up unto God the father of truth and so goes back again from whence it came Pr. It is blasphemy to say the Son is one with the Father and not distinct from him Answ The Father and the Son are one the Son is in the Father and the Father in the Son so that which is in him is not distinct from him and they blaspheme that say the Son is not in the Father and deny Christs doctrine Pr. He said The Father is a distinct incommunicable being from the Son and the Son a distinct incommunicable being from the Father and the holy Ghost a distinct incommunicable being from the Son Ans The Son is one and in unity with the Father and not distinct but equall and thought it not robbery The holy Ghost is in unity with the Son and the Father which proceed from them and they are one in unity and not distinct Thy doctrine is drosse and you Priests are not fit to judge in such things as they are they are too weighty and too heavy for you Pr. He affirmed That the Scripture is the power of God and that the Scripture is the Gospell Answ The power of God leads them to speak forth the Scriptures and the power of God is Christ and the power of God endures for ever but Scripture is writing and doth not and the Gospel is the power of God saith the Scriptures and doth not say that the Scripture is the Gospel for many had that and witnessed not the glad tidings and so thou art here distinct from the Ministers of the Gospell and art not a Minister of it the power of God but puts writings for it which power of God was before writings were Pr. He affirmed That the Father was the Creator and not God Answ This is contrary to the Scripture For in the beginning God created the heavens and the earth the Father and God is one the maker of all things for God the Father that made the world saith the Apostle Gal. 4.6 One God and father of all Pr. He said That Christ was not his rule but the Scripture was his rule Ans I do believe thee that Christ is not thy rule so life is not thy rule wisdome is not thy rule truth is not thy rule and so Christ not being thy rule thou art ignorant of Scriptures and knows them not for he who is the substance of the scriptures is not thy rule so thou knowest them not neither art subject to them Pr. He saith That God justifieth them that are not sanctified Answ He that is justified is sanctified for he that justifieth sanctifieth Pr. And another Priest saith That Christ was not the resurrection of the body Ans Christ is the resurrection and the life and the Saviour of the body who brings the creature into the liberty of the Sons of God The Priests of Lancashire their Principles PRiest Jacus the foreman of them said the letter and the spirit were inseparable Answ Contrary to the Apostle 2 Cor. The letter kills and the spirit gives life And we are Ministers not of the letter but of the spirit so the spirit that ends the letter was before the letter was and men may have letter and not the spirit and deny the Ministers thereof And the Apostle said they were one anothers Epistles written in one anothers hearts and not with paper and ink but with the spirit of the living God so you are contrary to the Ministers of Christ and if every one which hath the letter have the spirit what need you teach your teachings are at an end for the spirit will open to you the scriptures The Professors Principles at Westmerland Edward Briggs the leader of them said Pr. IT was heresie and deceiving the people to bid people believe in the power of God Ans Then they must not believe in Christ who is the power of God and it is not heresie nor deceiving of people to bid them believe in the power of God which is Christ and they are in the heresie and deceiving state that do not believe in the power of God and deceiving people and keeps them all in heaps under the power of the Devil and so to believe in that which is the cause of peoples destroying and persecuting one another Pr. And others of the Professors said That God had no hand in working out
regard and receive but if one come in the Name of the Lord him you put out so you will not have the Lord nor his Christ to reign neither his servants to labour in his Vineyard Pr. Ministery is like a mighty tree whose fruit the Lord hath appointed for the healing of the Nations Answ But your Ministers and the Papists hath been them got up since the days of the Apostles that brings Nations all into heaps and into blood and doth not heale the Nations but wounds and burthens and kills and casts into prison as this your fruit declares it who casts into prison such as you doe no work for Pr. To the Law and to the Testimony pray to the Father of lights that he would enlighten us with his truth and shew us the way that he would have us to walke in and pray for us who watch for your soules as those that must give account Answ The testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy And the Law is light and the Law and Testimony was before Matthew Marke Luke and Iohn and the Epistles were written and the Revelations which outward Books you call Law and Testimony which the Scripture saith the testimony of Iesus is the spirit of prophesie and the Law is light Prov. 6. Are you them that are the makers of Ministers and Ministers who watch for the soules of people and yet do you bid people pray to the Father that he would enlighten you with his truth and shew you the way that you may walke in it How can you present soules to God that doth not know the way and are yet to be enlightned and yet to have the way shewed so you that you might walke in it Is this your conclusion of all you Ministers in Ireland Now I say Christ hath enlightned every man which comes into the world which is the way and though your darknesse cannot comprehend it and yet you pray that he would enlighten you When John saith he doth enlighten every man that cometh into the world and that is the true light Have you the light to seek and the way to seek and truth to seek and yet watchers for souls And the soule you that are called Ministers saith it is humane yea the soule of Christ the soule of man is appetite and lust and pleasure and humane from the earth from the ground Is Christs soule from the ground and appetite lust and pleasure wars against the soul in them that be in the unreasonablenesse You that have the light to seek truth to seek and way to seek are in the earth and so gives the soule the name of that which comes from the ground Now the soule is immortall God breathed into man the breath of life and he became a living soule It is that which came out from God who hath all souls in his hand that 's his power which hand goes against him that doth evill And Christ the power of God which is immortall is the souls Bishop which is immortall from whence it hath its nourishment and the immortall which is able to save the immortal soul And as for all the rest of your ignorance and non-sence in your Book which comes from your confused earthly spirit who are found in the nature spirit and stock of your Father the Pope who hath apostatized since the dayes of the Apostles with all the rest of your stuffe which is but fuel for the fire in that day of your account the witnesse in all your consciences shall answer it John Stillom his Book called Margent Notes His Principles as followeth Pr. HEe calls it the Quakers adoring their own light magnifying the light of nature The Church is ashamed of your doctrine and walking saith he Ans The Quakers light is Christ the truth in whom they worship God which light was before naturall lights were and this the Church owns and is not ashamed of in which stands the Doctrine by which light the Church is gathered up unto God the Father of light but the imitated Churches in the Apostacy are ashamed of it Pr. Not any man knows him speaking of Christ to be God till he finde him in Scripture and saith as deep things as the spirit hath revealed they are all in the Scripture Ans Many knew God and knew Christ and yet had not written Scripture to tell them of those things as Enoch and Abel and many again hath Scripture speaking of God and Christ and yet doth not know God and Christ and doth not finde him in Scripture As instance the Pharisees knew not God and Christ which had the Scripture and had not life untill they came to Christ the Scripture speaks of and many things the spirit did reveal which was not written in the Scriptures and was spoken to the Saints Pr. John meaneth not that there was any substantiall truth necessary to be known to salvation which is not revealed in the written Word but the spirit that ordered the Copies and mysteries of the Gospell to be contracted within a narrow compass of lines Answ Many knew their salvation as in the dayes of Noah Enoch and David which had not the written Scriptures And though people have the Copies that speaks of the Gospel of the mysteries of the Gospel put together and compassed and contracted into lines yet they do not know the Gospell nor the mysteries of it nor the Word though they testifie of these things and the Pharisees did not that had Scripture which Scripture doth not tell us of written words but that the Word is Christ and God which was in the beginning before words were given forth And Gospell and salvation and the mysteries of it is known by the Spirit and the Light which come from Christ Jesus which none knows it but by that Pr. Stillom adds not onely heart rising prophesie nâ—r breast-prophesie in the minde but written downe in books The Apostle excludes not heart-prophesie so he includes Scripture-prophesie but till the day-star did arise in their mindes by the reading and heeding of the Scriptures that is plain meaning Answ The Scriptures were given forth by prophesie and the spirit of it and no man knows but by the same spirit and the Apostle did not exclude heart-prophesie and the Day-star doth not rise in the heart by mens reading and heeding the Scriptures in their own wills and having them in books written down but as men do come to the life and spirit as they were in that gave them forth and heed that with that they heed Scripture and knows Scripture and with that they know the Day-star and Christ who is the end of them and so men must come to take heed of the light that shines in a dark place before they know the Day-star arise For the Jewes had Scripture and did not heed that for the spirit within of prophesie doth not deny any tittle of the Scripture without And in thy Principle thou hast confounded thy selfe who saith Not heart-prophesie heart-rising
of the first Adam O mystery of deceit the deceitfull unfolding by antichrist to say that Christ sayeth the houre is coming now is that neither at this mountain nor as Jerusalem shall the Father be worshipped but he that worships him must worship him in spirit and in truth Answ Thousands in the Nation may witnesse the work the Quakers hath wrought and thousands are convinced of you to be the gain-sayers of the truth and the ante-christ come up since the daies of the Apostles and all your praying reading and meditations is but the first Adams state in the fall where the mystery of deceit is for yet you are not come to own the light Christ Jesus the second Adam that doth enlighten every man that comes into the world and so you be the ante-christs standing against Christ the light the truth and so are not come into the worship of God in the truth and in the spirit but are crying up at your Masse-houses is God worshipped as the Jewes did the Temple and Samaria the mountaine at Jerusalem which Christ saith not at Samaria nor the Mountain nor Jerusalem nor the Temple but in spirit and in truth and so we say not at your Masse-houses nor at Samaria nor Jerusalem neither not the Mountain but God hath seeked us to worship him in spirit and in truth and therefore you rage that hate the light Pr. They reckon their perfection and happinesse to be deprived of all the spirit doth neither so act or so teach and I was kept from this temptation and they that are overcome by it are brought into bondage a vaine deceitfull waiting for a power when the Apostles saith ye must pray without ceasing and not quench the spirit the Thessalonians they must cease from their owne words and wait for the immediate striving and working of the spirit as they fancy it Ans This thou calls fancie who saith the spirit of God doth not teach men nor so act to be deprived of all things Yes I say to thee thou must be deprived of all things before thou come to happinesse and thou art in the bondage and in the temptation that hath not forsaken all things and come to Christ the onâ— thing and thy praying and prophesying and not waiting for the spirit and power for to pray withall art in the fancy and following thy owne Spirit and out of the perfection of Christ Pr. It is blasphemy to say we must fill up the sufferings of Christ Answ And so thou art unlike the Apostles anâ— hast not drunk the cup of the wrath and judgement of the Almighty and that you must drink before you come to know the â—eed of God come from under all the power of wickednesse in thee and that is the world And Christ who bore the sin of the whole world felt it and was under it and was offered and over it all and makes his enemies his footstool Pr. The false interpretation of the enemy he saith that every mans work must be tryed with fire what sort it is and you shall hardly gain a speech of one sort or other sometimes from the Quakers and this thou cals dumb devill Answ And thus thou shewest where thou art who hath not known a time to be silent before thou didest know a time to speak and the dumb devill hath been found amongst your selves your Priests for when many of the Quakers have been moved of the Lord to come to speak to you in your Pulpits you have proved the dumb devils turned your backs and have gone your waies and spoken never a word to them and thy works and all mens shall be tryed by the fire and that is not perverting scripture as also saith the Apostle and thou never hast past through the wrath of God but it is yet to come and the sufferings of Christ thou knowest not Pr. And it will be a lye and delusion for the spirit when it sanctifies the hearts to go about to tear their hearts out of their bodies when Davids bones was broken and his flesh would scarce to cleave it is far from me to think that this was under the apprehension of wrath shall a man think that he suffered for his sanctification Answ The spirit of God teares out the old hearts and so before men be sanctified throughout he must know suffering and his wretched state yet Sanctification that brings him peace in the end and life And Davids condition thou art ignorant of and knows not for he was sensible of the wrath before his sins were removed as far as the East is from the West and he had joy and peace but trembling and quaking is become a mock and scoffe amongst you for there is a trembling and rejoycing and there is a trembling in the sorrow Pr. When the Quakers are commanded many times to go they have not that leisure to dress them this is a hard Master surely not Christ therefore by Satan for the Lord is not wont to do things ignorantly to deceive his servants and they are brought to fast from all manner of food three nights and three dayes most feeble wretched creatures contrary to the Law of nature so they are not capable of bearing the glory of God so Ministers of Antichrist and they are made to deny their callings and possessions I would eat more then I desired because I would give no offence Answ In this thou hast shewed thy ignorance of the Scriptures and Christ for he that is on the house top let him not come down to put on his cloaths And they that went on his message were not to take two coats And when they went on his message they did not goe to dresse themselves with boot-hose-tops and double cuffs and ribbons and rings as the Priest doth and what God doth it is in his wisdome beyond the ignorance of man-kinde and they that receive it must be in his fear And Christ is not a hard Master as thou thinkst because some goes not dressing them in their apparell which goes to do his command but thou who art wicked and sloathfull hath so judged with the wrong and false judgement and many of the Saints have fasted till they might number their bones and Christ fasted and this was not contrary to the Law of nature and did not make them uncapable of receiving the glory of God Neither was it Antichrist and thou who art of him canst eat and drink more then thou hast desire because thou wouldst not offend others and that is contrary to the Law of nature And the Saints forsook their callings and possessions and the world but you Priests runs into great possessions which you get out of poor peoples labours so like the false Apostles and Antichrist not like Christ and his Apostles Pr. They have a glosse put upon Christs words to his Disciples when he bids them that they should take no care what to speak it should be given them in the same hour And of their gâ—ing naked I
spirituall man and there is a naturall man and each hath their body Pr. Henry Liver said that they knew no such thing at prophesying by immediate revelation or inspiration in these dayes Ans Then thou never knew the scriptures for none knowes scripture as I said before but by the spirit of revelation which doth reveal the words but by the spirit of prophesie marke which spirit lets see into the words and he that hath not the spirit of Christ is none of his and he that hath the spirit of Christ hath immediate revelation and prophesie and the spirit of God is immediate and it doth reveal and the Gospell is immediate which is the power of God Pr. Richard Franckling said they had it by scripture Ans And it was the spirit that brought them to give forth scripture which things of God was revealed to them by it and the scripture does not reveal the spirit but the spirit the scripture Pr. That the light which lighteth every man was not sufficient to lead up to Christ Ans The light Christ that doth enlighten every man that comes into the world that which he doth enlighten them every one withall which they are to believe in is sufficient to lead up to Christ for they that doe believe in the light becomes the children of light passes from death to life from darknesse to light and comes out of condemnation and shall never dye and so it is sufficient that he that doth not believe in the light by it is condemned for this is the condemnation that light is come in to the world and men love the darknesse rather then the light because their deeds be evill and so you and they that love the darknesse rather then the light because your deeds are evill and will not come to it because it will reprove you are them that live in the forme of godlinesse and denyes the power and teaches people to say that the light is not sufficient that every man is lighted withall that comes into the world that all might believe which not by it are condemned and the light is sufficient to lead up to him that comes from him Pr. That Grace was not conveyed from the Lord to any man without the ordinary outward meanes Ans The Grace of God hath appeared to all men which teacheth the saints and the grace is brought by the revelation of Jesus as saith Peter by revelation and the grace is the gift of God and not attained by an outward meanes by mans will and they that turne it into lasciviousnesse the grace of God that hath appeared are them that deny the Lord that bought them which goes from the grace which is the saints teacher which brings salvation Pr. That the scriptures is that onely which they are to have recourse unto to inform the mindes of people from Ans Before the scripture was written or given forth Abraham Enoch and Abel had that to inform their minds and let them see Christ and the Jews had scripture and knew not Christ they had the testification and did not come to him they testified of and so had not life so that which is to inform the minds of all people is the spirit and the light which Christ hath enlightned them withall and such their eares and eyes must be open to that the spirit of God in themselves before they hear his voice which spirit informes their mindes to God and then they shall come to know the operation of the spirit which many may have the scriptures and not know that and that which is to teach people is the grace Christ and God and the light and life and that it is which informes the mind to know scripture Pr. Priest Dorker said That the word of God was the ordinary outward meanes and that the scripture is the word they all affiâ—med Ans The word of God is not outward nor ordinary but extraordinary it is that which lives abides endures for ever and the scriptures are to be fulfilled that which doth fulfill them is the word and the scriptures of truth learned of God the Father of truth are the words of God not a word God spake all these words and said in Exodus and my words saith Christ and whosoever shall add to these words saith Iohn in the Revelations and so the words are the scriptures of truth that cannot be broken Christ the word fulfiles them who was in the beginning before the words was spoken forth who is and remaines to the words end who fulfills them in whom they end Daniell Roberts Teacher to the Baptists at Reading in Bark-shire did affirm Pr. THat Baptisme of water that is to say Elementary water doth wash away sin Ans Here thou puts water in the roome of Christs blood which cleanseth from all sin and what need of that if water doth it outward water can but wash the outward Pr. That God had committed all judgement to the scriptures Ans That is contrary to the Apostle who saith God will judge the world by the man Christ Jesus according to the Gospell and that is the power and all judgement is committed to the Son marke to the Son and the saints shall judge the world and he is in them Pr. That the new Covenant is the words of Christ and the Apostles and every one that hath the Bible in their house have the new covenant Ans The New Covenant is Christ the scriptures speaks of and the Jewes had the scriptures that stood against the Covenant and many may have the Bible and not in the thing it speaks of Pr. An other Baptist said at the same time If they had not had scriptures they had not known how to walk nor order their conversation Ans How knew those to order their conversation and walk before scripture was given forth the life which led them to give forth the scripture did order them to walke acceptable to him for the Pharisees had the scripture given forth from the life but being out of the life their conversations were not ordered by it Pr. Daniell Roberts affirmed That he knew no other spirit then what was in the scripture and that he carryed it in his pocket Ans The spirit is not in the scriptures but in them that gave it forth and that the scriptures testifie of which many got the scriptures but wanted that which gave it forth and so were not in unity with the scripture nor one with an other nor with God and this is wanting in all Christendome so called the unity of the spirit in which is the bond of peace for many have the words but not the spirit An answer to Timothy Trevers his principles propounded by way of queries Pr. FIrst That the light in every man as in every man teacheth not the way to the Kingdome of God nor giveth the hope of eternall life Ans The light in every man which doth inlighten every man doth teach the way to the kingdome of God and
free and let all the people say Amen Answ And so they curse the Apostles and the Apostles doctrine and all that witnesse to it who said The free grace of God which bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men Titus 2.11 and was the Saints Teacher These things the Apostles commanded to teach with all authority Titâ—s 2.15 but the ungodly men turne this grace of God into wantonnesse of old ordained for condemnation Ye are the raging waves of the Sea sending and fomeing out your own shame whose fruits wither neglecting the common salvation Read Jude Ye are like to Sodome and Egypt clouds without water who run greedily after the wages of Balaam going on the way of Cain and shall perish in the gain-saying of Core and walking despitefully against the spirit of grace and they that turne the Grace of God into wanttonnesse denies the Lord that bought them 2 Pet. 2. Jude 11. Ye are the trees without fruite wells without water carryed about with tempests cursed speakers teaching the people to say Amen to your cursing the Apostles doctrine and so willingly ignorant that your damnation may be just that your madnesse and folly might appeare to all and so sensuall having not the spirit waves of the Sea wandring stars reserved for darkness of blackness read Jude The grace of God which bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men Titus 2.11 So that which brings salvation and hath appeared to all men ye Curse that which is the Grace of God which ye with your damnable doctrine and doctrine of Devills curse them that witnesse it 2 Pet. 2. 1 Tim. 4. upon whose consciences the hot Iron hath come hardned them that went to the doctrine of Devils went to them that did not hold forth the Saviour of all men but especially them that believe 1 Tim. 4.10 These things command and teach let no man despise thy youth Now they that went to the doctrine of Devills from the Saviour of all men but especially them that believe and from the grace of God which hath appeared to all men which brings salvation are they which have turned the grace of God into wantonnesse ordained of old for condemnation which is the light Jude 4. Such be in Caines way from the command of God Cores way from the truth and Balaams way from the spirit those be the clouds and tempests upon whose heads comes the Woe The Priests second curse which all the people were to say Amen to Cursed be all they that say the Scripturs is not the word of Gods and let all the people say Amen Ans Here they have cursed Luke who calls the scripture a Declaration of the word Luke 1.1 and Acts 1.1 where it is called a Treatise and they have cursed their own company who saies the scriptures signifies Writings and they have cursed John who did not say the scripture was the word who said In the beginning was the word Iohn 1.1 and the scripture is words as Revelations the last he that addeth to the words and Christ his name is called The word of God Rev. 19 13. And the scriptures are words not a word Exod. 20. and which words Christ came to fulfill The Priests third Curse to which all the people were to say Amen Cursed be all they that say Faith is without sin and let all the People say Amen Ans Faith is the gift of God and the gift of God is without sin Ephes 2.8 Faith is that which gives the victory John 3.4 And that which gives victory is without sin And here they have cursed the Apostles and their doctrine who saith Faith is without sin and Faith is precious 1 Pet. 1.7 and that which is precious is without sin Faith is the gift of God and the gift of God is perfect and that which is perfect is without sin and gives victory over sin Without Faith a man cannot please God and that which men please God in is without sin Heb. 11.6 And so ye have cursed the Apostle and his doctrine the just and that which is pure that by which they were healed through Faith they were justified Rom. 3.28 and what is not of faith is sin Rom. 14.23 So what is of Faith is not sin and what is righteous is not sin and the Scripture speakes of the righteousness of Faith Rom 4.13 Faith is not of sin but what is not of Faith is sin Faith gives victory over sin 1 John 3.4 in which Faith man is justified and hath peace with God Rom. 5.1 and it is a mystery held in a pure conscience 1 Tim. 3.9 The Priests fourth Curse to which all the people were to say Amen Cursed are all they that say every man hath a light sufficient to lead him to Christ and that within him and let all the People say Amen Answ Here they have cursed the Apostles doctrine who said God would dwell in them 2 Cor. 6.16 and Christ in you the hope of glory Col. 1.27 and God is light 1 John 1.5 And they have cursed the Prophets who said I give him for a Covenant a Leader of the people I will dwell in them and walk in them saith God Jer 31.31 Heb. 10.16 and he saith I will send you the Spirit of truth and it shall lead you into all truth John 14.17 John 16.13 And I will be their God to rule them and they shall be my people Jer. 31.33 Thy curses are but winde for we are redeemed from the curse and the Apostles said the light that shined in their hearts was to give them the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ 2 Cor. 4.6 and they that are led by the Spirit of God are the Sons of God Rom. 8.14 the light to guide our feet in the way of peace and he that hath the Son hath the Father also And if any bring another doctrine receive them not into your houses neither bid them God speed 2 John 9.30 You have here shewed your sâ—lves in the cursed estate out of the Apostles rule the same Spirit of truth that led the Disciples into all truth that shall reprove the world of sin John 16.8.13 The Priests fifth Curse to which all the people were to say Amen Cursed be all they that deny the Sabbath day and let all the People say Amen Answ Here thou hast cursed thy self and all the Apostles and all the Saints and their own generation hast not thou and thy owne gâ—nâ—ration denyed the Sabbath day the Jewes met on which is the Sabbath day according to the Scripture do not ye meet togâ—tâ—er upon the first day and was not Christ crucified on the sixth day and did not he arise on the fiâ—st day and did not the Saints meet together on the first day and not keep the Jewes Sabbath day do not you work upon it your selves and keep markets and Fairs on it but as it is said before we are Redeemed from the curse Thâ—se are the particular sentences whereupon
seek after other mens goods An. Then are you not all found in this seeking after other mens goods and endeavouring by force and hath not this been many of your practices both by Sea and Land of many people in the whole Christendom and been found in this witchcraft as you say as you speak of and is not all this to be judged with the spirit of the Lord God to be out of his commands and out of the love of God and Christ the end of the Law there-repent and amend all your wayes doings and lives that you may return to the Lord and find peace and rest in the time of need Pr. You say The ninth Commandment saith bear not false witness against any man and you should shun lying and not falcifie any mans word nor backbite nor reproach and shun all careles kind of lives c. Answ How is it then there are so many false witnesses backbiters reproachers rash condemners men living in such careless kind of lives and deceit among you which is the devils works this is all out of the commands of God and the Law and short of Christ the end of it and the fruits of this now hath shewed it self Pr. You say No one that is converted unto God perfectly observes and keepes his Commandments Answ Then no man loves God amongst you nor are you converted neither are you of the seed of the woman that keepes the commands of God neither are you the children of God that Johns speaks of that keepes the Commandments of God that love God neither are you the believers for Christ is the end of the Law to them that believes Pr. You say There is no man in this life able to keep the Law of God and why then should Gods Law be so exactly and severely Ans The law of God is just is not so exact nor so severely but is just and equal and righteous and perfect and good and not as you look upon it exact and severe now Christ the righteousness of God is the end of the Law and the man that loves God keepes his Commandments and comes to the end of the commandments that is love out of a pure heart Pr. You say Christ teacheth you to call God Father in the beginning of your prayers Ans Christ taught that to his Disciples which were his children his sheep but that was not spoken to the world that did not believe in the light that enlightens every man that comes into the world for the Pharisees could call him Father and Lord but did not the things he commanded them and such Christ said were of the devil and such their prayers he rebukes the Disciples could pray this in truth so you must be born again of God not committing of sin when you call God Father like him else you are Bastards begotten of the wicked one children of the transgressor sons of the Sorcerer the Prophet speaks of children of God distinct from such that call him Father in the transgression applyed to God which he hath not begotten the birth in the transgression the transgressors birth that is a Bastard a false conception Pr. You say Forgive us as we forgive them that trespasse against us Answ Is it so do ye do so and would you be forgiven no otherwise but as ye forgive others that hath trespassed against you would you have God forgive you no otherwayes who trespasseth against him but as you forgive the trespasses against you mark whether you would have as you say and whether here be not justice and whether you can witness you are forgiven that doth not forgive others whether you have the assurance within you Pr. You say The particle Amen means the things sure out of doubt for your prayers is much more certain heard of God then you feel in your hearts that you unfeignedly desire the same Answ Amen or so be it for the promise is to the seed yea and Amen which fetches up the seed out of time who hath been in prison in time and brings it by the power of God thither where there is no time and there is yea and amen and the Lord accepts no prayer from the corrupt heart or such whose works are sinful their best works are sinful for the praying is in the spirit the Lord accepts and Preaching singing hearing and tasting discerning handling and feeling the Lord knowes the mind of the spirit where it groans which spirit guiding the man it gives him an understanding of the signification of it and so every man being reproved with the spirit if he hears it and be at unity with it and turn to it it will bring him to turn to God and be at unity with God and here his prayers be acceptable to him and so every man being enlightned that comes into the world every man being turned to the light Christ hath enlightned him withall he is turned to Christ from whence it comes which brings him to know Christ and to ask in his Name who is the way to the Father and is in the Father who is God Immanuel Christ Jesus and so forth to the end Robert Tuchin Iohn Barnes Edward Buckler Robert Dingly James Crosswick Iohn Martine Vincent Sparke Joshua Tompkins Simon Pole Tho. Clarke William Harby Martin Wells Wil. Bignall Rich. Beminster Mathew Hearne Their Princples are as Followeth who are Teachers in and about the Island of Weight and these 15. Priests are in the rear of the Army of Babylon against the Lamb. Pr. THat the good tidings which the glorious Gospell of Jesus Christ brings to sinners was first heard at Jerusalem Ans The Goâ—pel which is the power of God which is the glad tidings to sinners was preached to Abraham before ever it was heard at Jerusalem and the shepherds in the field received the message of the good tidings of the glorious Gospell from the Angell which was sent to them of the Lord who said Behold I bring you good tidings of great Joy and this was before the Gospell was heard at Jerusalem and all the Fathers and Prophets that heard the power of God they heard the Gospel for the Gospel is the power of God glad tidings to the seed and great joy to the poor captives and this Gospell was preached to Adam the seed of the woman was promised to bruise the Serpents head and that was and is the power of God the glorious Gospell but as for such as knowes no Gospell in manifestation nor apparation but onely the scriptures which doth but declare of the Gospell they shew that they are without in the world and hath no other knowledge of the Gospell but naturall knowledge which is not unto eternall life nor can edefie the body of Christ which is immortall Pr. The good tidings which the glorious Gospel of Jesus Christ brings to sinners was a great mercy to the Jewes a very gratious dispensation to us sinners of the Gentiles Ans The good tidings the glorious Gospell is in it selfe a