Selected quad for the lemma: truth_n

Word A	Word B	Word C	Word D	Occurrence	Frequency Band	MI	MI Band	Prominent
truth_n	father_n	true_a	worshipper_n	2,259	5	11.6610	5	false

Text snippets containing the quad

ID	Title	Author	Corrected Date of Publication (TCP Date of Publication)	STC	Words	Pages
A90802	De non temerandis ecclesiis. Whereof, the name and sacrednesse of churches (against those, who in contempt call them steeple-houses) proposed, by way of conference. / By P. Panter, Doctor in Divinitie.	Panter, Patrick, ca. 1470-1519.	1650 (1650)	Wing P273; Thomason E608_4; ESTC R205906	3,599	8

DE NON TEMERANDIS ECCLESIIS Whereof The Name and Sacrednesse of CHURCHES against those who in Contempt call them STEEPLE-HOUSES proposed by way of Conference By P. Panter Doctor in Divinitie July .22 LONDON Printed for Thomas Vere dwelling at the upper end of the Old-Bayly 1650. DE NON TEMERANDIS ECCLESIIS THE Doctor having formerly maintained a Dispute concerning Baptisme of Infants of Christians against Master Browne Preacher to the Anabaptists lately Printed Upon another occasion meeting with one of the same Profession and using the Name of Churches according to the common use of speech which hath authoritie and arbitrement in the like case according to that of the Poet Si volet usus quem penes arbitrium est vis norma loquendi The other being impatient said What Doe you call your Meeting-Houses and Steeple-Houses Churches The user of the word askt If either the Name of Ecclesia in Greeke or Latine or of Church in the English was so unfit or insolent Was it not an ordinarie Metonymie or transferring of Names to give to the place the Name of the thing placed or meeting in the place and haunting the same Was not Synagoga properly an Assembly and yet most usuall for the place of Assembling Hence the Master of the Synagogue Christ taught in the Synagogues of Galile Paul and Barnabas having entred the Synagogue on the Sabbath day sat downe Act. 13.14 So Ecclesia albeit first it signifie an Assembly called together yet fitly is used for the place as Proseucha properly signifying in the Greeke a Prayer or Petition is transferred to signifie the place of Petitioning whence Juvenal hath In quâ te quaero proseucha In what common place shall I seeke you But as to the English Name Church there is not so much as a Metonymie or figure in it but a proper speech as the Affirmer offered to prove by this Reason That use of Names which is according to the Etymon and native force of them is most proper But the Name of Church as it is given to the meeting places of Christians is used according to the Etymon and native force and vertue thereof Ergo The Name of Church so used is most proper The Assumption or Minor he thus proved The Etymon of Church is 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Curiace that is a place belonging to the Lord as Basilica to the King his Palace now Churches are the Lords Houses therefore the Name of the Church is according to the Etymon of the word Here the Adversarie replyed That no place was peculiarly the Lords more then another To whom it was answered That sure some places were he granting that the Temple of Jerusalem was which God had chosen to put his Name in It was askt If none other What say you said the Affirmer of Psal 83.12 Let us take the Houses of God in possession there is the Plurall number and of Psal 74.8 They burnt up all the Houses of God throughout the Land Where the Synagogues are understood not onely many yeares later then the Tabernacle or Temple but also having no mysterie in them but appointed for use and order allanerly as ours are which why they may not and ought not to be called the Lords Houses or 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 and Churches no man can shew a reason Dic aliquem sedes hîc Quintiliane colorem and whosoever either taketh them in possession or destroyeth the same committeth Sacriledge a sinne ranked with Idolatrie it selfe Rom. 2.22 Thou hatest Idols but committest Sacriledge Here the Adversarie of Churches askt Is there any holynesse in places albeit dedicated to God and his service The Affirmer answered by a distinction of holynesse for sayth he it is Homonymum and found in two Categories or kinds of things in the Categorie of Qualities and the Categorie of Relations Holynesse in the first sense is opposed to wickednesse or ungodlinesse and is onely incident to rationall and intellectuall things and it is a qualitie disposition or habit of the mind and affections in the second sense it is opposed to Common Act. 10.15 That which I have purified or made holy that call thou not common where literally the Vision speaketh of Meats and mystically onely of Men. So the holy Citie Matth. 4.5 the Temple called the holy Place Heb. 9.1 2 3. So the Vessels serving for the Ministerie called sacred or holy that is not common but holy by a two-fold relation to God who as he is holy alone so things are holy by reference to him either as Lord and Possessor in a peculiar manner or by reference to him as the end for whose service and glory they are appointed and set apart and whereto he hath promised his presence which may be reckoned a third relation So that they are holy because His for Him and He is in them in a speciall manner as to places for where two or three are met together there am I Matth. 18.20 Here the Adversarie did object That these differences and relations were taken away by our Saviour John 4.21 The houre commeth and now is that neither in this Mountaine nor at Jerusalem shall ye worship the Father but the true worshippers shall worship in spirit and truth For answer whereto take this first That our Saviour there taketh the priviledge of place of worship from none but the two places there mentioned of whom the question then was to wit that Mountaine of Garizim pointed at by the Samaritan woman vers 20. and Jerusalem Secondly our Saviour taketh the priviledge no other wayes from them then as it was arrogated and challenged by them that is to be the onely place of worship in the world whither they must either resort or direct their faces and prayers 1 Kings 8. 29 30. and Daniel 6.10 Our Saviour declareth to her therefore That henceforth not these places alone should have the priviledge of Gods presence but also whatsoever places of meeting throughout the world according to that of Malachy 1.11 and 1 Tim. 2.8 Where albeit there be an Universall 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 in every place yet it is to be extended according to the intention of the place which is in the generall concerning Church or publike Service vers 1 2. and the behaviour of persons thereabout men vers 8. women 8 9 10 11 c. Where as praying publikely is permitted to men in every publike place of Worship providing they lift up pure hands howsoever the place before had beene impure so he restraineth the women to silence which cannot be understood of private places of Worship for there women are licensed both to pray and aske questions 1 Cor. 14.35 but of the Church or publike places as it is expounded by the words of the same Apostle 1 Cor. 14.34 The command then or licensing of men to pray in every place is to be taken also of these publike places of Prayer so that they are not put down under the Gospel but established Neither doe the words of our Saviour Joh. 4.23 of the true worshipping in spirit and truth make against it for if all worship performed by and with the body or in bodily places thereby were forbidden not onely publike but private devotions and Family-Service should cease and we must goe out of the body world too And what should become of Malachies pure Oblation offered now under the Gospel among the Gentiles from the rising of the Sunne to the going downe of the same And what of the lifting up of pure hands in every place by men mentioned 1 Tim. 2.8 And what of Psalmes Hymnes and Spirituall Songs recommended Eph. 5.19 O but say some their melodie to God in the heart is recommended But I answer In the heart 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 is with the heart or from the heart as Psal 15.2 who speaketh the truth in his heart not that the truth is not to be spoken with the mouth but insinuating the fountaine and beginning of truth from the heart or with the heart so that the tongue and heart agree together and so Eph. 5.19 making melodie to the Lord in your heart that is from the heart and Job 4.23 in spirit that is from the spirit or with the spirit yet not excluding the body But the words of our Saviour are in opposition to the Jewish and Samaritan worship of which the woman there did speak which was in carnall ordinances of eating and abstinence from certaine meats drinks and divers baptismes and purifyings of the flesh not reaching the conscience Heb. 9. v. 10. 13. which as it was opposite to spirituall worship or worship in spirit so being typicall and consisting in figures and shadowes was opposite to the truth or true worship under the Gospel Others oppose the worship in Spirit to the Jewish and worship in Truth to the Samaritan which was false and of the false gods for they worshipped what they knew not Ioh. 4.22 But no man of understanding will oppose it to all service of God to be performed by or with the body except it end in the body and doe not edifie or elevate the spirit as the Jewish abstinences and ordinances more burthening the spirit then edifying them Let them talke then as much as they will of the Church of God in ones house yet it maketh nothing against the Church of God in Congregations and Parish s For the Church being totum homo geneum a whole made up of parts of the same kind there are smaller and greater parts therein and all bearing the name of the whole yet so as neigher prejudgeth other so that every one keepe its owne order and place and the lesser and subordinate parts doe not lift themselves up against the bigger and superiour and put them downe Neither is it marvell that their Meetings were in private houses at the beginning when they neither had nor could have other places but now having plentie and conveniencie of such places of assembling and libertie and peace to assemble as publikely as we will to sorsake the same and get us to private places and wildernesses it is not so much wantonnesse as insolent and unheard of madnesse As S. Austin speaketh in the like case of these who leaving the custome of the whole Church follow I know not what private conceits of their owne insolentissimae est insaniae FINIS