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A27219 Exercitations concerning the pure, and true, and the impure, and false religion. By Charles de Beauvais rector of the parish of Witheham, in the county of Sussex Beauvais, Charles de. 1665 (1665) Wing B1640B; ESTC R218158 122,145 318

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Marks and Parts of the True Religion 1. Teaching to know one onely God Creator of Heaven and Earth And who Conserves And Governs All Things By his Providence 2. It Discovers to the sinful Man the true Mean to be Reconciled with God Namely By the Mercy of Jesus Christ our Redeemer By whom Alone Having Satisfied the Justice of God his Father His wrath may be Appeased towards Sinners who Repent And Believe 3. It Prescribes in what Manner the true God is to be Served And Honoured Namely in Spirit and in Truth Refers All to the Glory of God And the Salvation of Men And Admits Nothing Either Absurd Or unjust Of the Agreements And of the Differences Between the Religion of the Ancient Jewes And the true Christian Religion which we Christians doe imbrace 1. Of the Agreements between both the said Religions 1. GOd is the Authour and the Efficient Cause of both 2. Christ is the foundation of both By whose onely merit all the Faithful since the first sin of our first Parents have been and are reconciled unto God See Heb. 13.8 Rev. 13.8 3. As Christian Religion so the Religion of the Ancient Jewes did aim to stirre up a defire of the blessed Immortality and to confirm the hope of the same 4. Both the Religions did bring and doth bring Justification and Sanctification to the Faithful of the Old and of the New Testament See John 8.56 5. Both the Religions have been sealed and confirmed to the Faithful of the Old and of the New Testament by the self-same Holy Spirit 2. Of the Differences between both the said Religions 1. THe Religion of the Ancient Jews did belong onely to one Nation and People The Christian Religion belongs to all People 2. The Religion of the Ancient Jews by many Ceremonies did shadow and represent Christ which was to come The Christian Religion doth teach and clearly publish that he is come 3. In the Religion of the Ancient Jews the Lord under some earthly benefits did represent the fruition of the heavenly Inheritance But in the Christian Religion directly he doth direct our minds to the Meditation of Eternal Life Omitting those earthly means and helps which he did use towards the Ancient Jewes 4. The Religion of the Ancient Jewes was darker But the Christian Religion is Clearer 5. In the Religion of the Ancient Jews the Rites of their Sacraments were bloody And difficult Namely the Rites of Circumcision and of the Paschall Lamb. But in the Christian Religion they are without blood and Easy 3. 1. FRom the abovesaid Things it appears That since the first Sin of Adam there hath been but one way to attain to the fruition of Salvation And this way hath been the Faith in Jesus Christ the Mediator See thereof Gen. 3.17 and Chapt. 22.18 Act. 15.11 and 10.43 2. Therefore the doctrine of those is to be rejected who teach a three-fold way to attain unto Salvation Namely 1. One to those who did live before the written Law by the observation of the Law of Nature 2. The second to those who did live under the written Law by the fulfilling of the same 3. And the third to those who did and do live under the grace of the Gospel by the Faith in Jesus Christ 3. The Reason why such Doctrine is to be rejected and exploded is because the Faithful and Believers under the Old Testament have had Redemption in Christ by his blood which was to be shed As we have by his Bloud which is shed For the Expiatory Sacrifice of Christ hath had a saving vertue not onely since it was offered unto God upon the Cross But even from the Eternal Decree of God And the Efficacy thereof hath been as well before as after it was exhibited In which regard it is said of Christ Heb. 13.8 That he is the same yesterday and to day and for ever And Rev. 13.8 Christ is called the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world 4. Therefore all the Faithful and Believers under the Law have had Redemption by Faith in Christ the Redeemer as we have under the Gospel Abraham did see the day of Christ and was glad as it is said John 8.56 He did see it by the eyes of Faith and not of the flesh Of the Mutation which happened to the First Christian Religion In the Great Prosperity and Pomp which happened to the Church under the Empire Constantine The First Christian Religion Suddenly Changed By the Introduction in It. Of the Ceremonies and Superstitions of the Pagans Converted To the said Christian Religion And in Borrowing the Words And the Ceremonies of the Jewes 1. 1. THe Church before this Empire had been bred In the Hills and Wildernesses 2. It came out of them clothed with Camels Haires That is to say Clothed with all Sobriety with all Simplicity And with all Innocencie 3. The Bishops for the most Part manifesting Her to the World Were ashamed to Present Her such to the Gentiles That is to say to Those who Newly came out Or would come out from Paganism 4. The Good Emperours Likewise Who were Desirous that the Christian Religion should be Received by Their People More Curious of the Outward then of the Inward Of the Appearance then of the Truth Of the Ceremony then of the Substance 5. They make then no Conscience to clothe the said Church after the Fashion of the Pagans And to Adorn Her with the Ornaments of the Gentiles To Fit the Christians Services and Ceremonies to those of the Pagans As far as without wrong to the Faith They did think They could do it 6. And this Proceeding was called Among Them Zeal and Prudence Which Tertullian would have called Sacriledge Being a Severe Observation of the first Simplicity And Purity as long as he Lived in the Church 2. 1. IN which Besides the said Bishops were to keep this Temperament That in the same Time being to give content to the Jews who did Imbrace the Christianism which for the most part did believe that their should be a Greatnesse under the Kingdom of the Messias They were very Glad to shew unto Them the Fulfilling Thereof in the outward Splendour of the Christian Church 2. And where They did Conceive that They should Adorn the Simplicity of the Christian Religion They willingly borrowed as much as they could The Terms or Words And the Ceremonies Of the Jewes Of the Terms or Words And of the Ceremonies Borrowed From the Jewes And the Pagans When the Christian Church Vnder the Empire of Constantine Did Passe From Persecution to Peace And from Thraldome To the Domination 1. AS All the Outward Service of the Jewes And of the Gentiles did chiefly Consist in Sacrifices Those of the Gentiles without a certain Scope And those of the Jewes aiming All at One onely Jesus Christ It did seem hard and scandalous unto Them To Abolish all Sacrifices Because Those New Converts believed That Religion could not be without such Sacrifices Not
the Things that are hurtful and contrary to Religion And to punish those that are Rebellious For the outward worship of God shall vanish away Heresies will rise and Increase as also Blasphemies unlesse there be one armed with the Sword who may by fear and by a coactive power restrain the perverse and wicked This cannot be done by Ecclesiastical Persons For their Office is to preach to exhort to rebuke and by Spiritual Censures to Correct But they bear not the Sword And they are deprived of that Supream Power which by the fear of punishment may contain the Impious and wicked in their Duty Therefore the very outward face of a Christian Commonwealth shall not be retained if we exclude the Civil Magistrate from the Supream Authority concerning Religion 1. The Prince And Soveraign Magistrate must order and settle nothing Concerning Religion without Consulting the Book of Holy Scriptures 2. And Assembling Learned and Godly Divines whose Charge is to expound them 1. 1. THe Grecians never undertook any matter of great consequence before they received Answer from their Oracles 2. Neither the Jews before they consulted with God by the Ephod 3. Nor the Romans before they had the Approbation of their Sooth-sayers 4. And therefore doubtlesse all Christian Princes and Estates are to expect either a Command Or at least a Warrant from Holy Scripture before they proceed in matter so nearly concerning God and his Service 5. Otherwise they goe about to set the Sun-Dial by their Watch and not their Watch by their Sun-Dial 6. Whether all wise Governours like good Pilates have Manum ad Clavum oculos ad Astra The eye upon the Starres And their hand upon the Helm Steering their Course below by direction from above 2. 1. THough Soveraigns are Supreame Commanders for the Truth yet they are not the Supream or sole directors unto Truth For in Scruples of Conscience And perplexed Controversies of Religion they are to require the Law from the mouth of the Priest That is they are to ask Counsel of the Prophets And generally in all matters appertaining to God to hear the Ministers of God declaring to them the will of God out of his Word 2. Symmachus was bold to tell Anastasius the Emperour that as Bishops owe Subjection to Gods Sword in Princes hands So Princes owe obedience to Gods Word in Bishops mouthes Defer Deo in nobis nos deferemus Deo in te O Emperour hear God speaking by us and we will fear God ruling by thee The same God who hath put a material Sword in thy hands to smite malefactors in their body hath put a Spiritual Sword in our mouth to slay sin in the Soul 3. The Magistrate is the hand of God but the Preacher is his mouth And for this cause all wise and Religious Kings have given them their ears And taken some of them in their bosome As David did Nathan to receive Instruction and direction from them how to sway the Royal Scepter within the walls of the Church In what regard a Soveraign Prince is said to be the Head of the Church which is within his States and Dominions 1. IT is not in the same sense that Christ is called the Head of the Church which is Mystically For this honour is proper onely unto him And cannot without an horrible blasphemy be attributed to any Creature 2. Neither also is it in the same sense that the Popes of Rome do call themselves Ministerial Heads of the Universal Church Pretending thereby to have an Universal and a Supreame Power in Spiritual things belonging to Religion and Conscience As also an Universal Jurisdiction over all Ecclesiastical Persons For this Title belongeth not unto them neither by Divine nor Humane Right But they assume it by a meer Antichristian Usurpation 3. The Soveraign then is called Head of the Church of his States and Countries in the same sense that in Gods Word King Saul is called the Head of the Nations That is to say not only as he is the first the Noblest member of the Church of his States and Countries but because he is her Defendor her Nursing Father and Supream Inspector and who is bound by the vertue of his Supream Authority to establish therein defend and maintain Religion and the Divine truth As also a good and a lawful Government Of the Marks of the True Religion By which it is distinguished from the False Religion of Pagans c. 1. THe First Mark of the True Religion is This That it direct us And all our Religious Service unto the true God Creator of Heaven and Earth The onely Searcher of Mens Hearts Of which chiefly he will be served By this first Mark true Religion is distinguished from all Idolatrous Religions which seek unto Wood to Stone to the Sun to the Moon to Men to Angels and to all the Creatures that are in Heaven and in Earth 2. The second Mark of the true Religion is That the Service of God which Religion is to teach us must be grounded upon his word And Revealed unto us by his own self This Second Mark will serve us to discern the True Religion from the Inventions of Men. And to reject as untruth whatsoever is not grounded upon Gods word 3. The Third Mark of the True Religion is That True Religion must put into our Hands a Mean to satisfie Gods Justice Without the which not only all other Religions but also even that which concerneth the true serving of the true God were utterly vain and unprofitable By this third Mark True Religion is distinguished from all False Religions Man's Reason hath well perceived that some such Mean was needful in Religion But to know what that Mean is was too high a Thing for man's Reason to attain unto 4. The True Religion then And which deserveth the Name of Religion is only that Which hath God for her Scope His Word for warrant of her worshipping And a Mean appointed by him to pacifie him towards us And in that Religion onely and in none other resteth Salvation The Ancient Judaical Religion hath been a True Religion The Jews having had the knowledge of the true God And having served and worshipped him alone 1. AMong the great Nations Of the Assyrians Of the Persians Of the Greeks Of the Aegyptians And of the Romans Whose Religions did not bear the Livery of one onely true God But of Many There was discovered a little Nation called the People of Israel Which worshipped the Creator of the World Acknowledged him for their Father Did call upon him alone in their need And for all the small Account that others made of them Did abhorre all the glistering gloriousnesse of the Great Monarchies and Kingdomes that were out of the way The first Christian Religion was Pure and True 1. FOr it was wholly According to the Will of God Declared by the Prophets by Jesus Christ And By his Apostles 2. It was a Pure and a True Religion Because It Had All the
condemned the Popes Supremacie Can. 6. In the Second is established the Idolatrous Worship of Images The First Belief the Papists will not allow The Second is detested by us Reformed 8. Let Councils therefore be esteemed as they deserve 9. And let them be tried as hath been said §. Objection of the Popish Writers against our Rejection from the rule of Faith the Catholick Church and General Councils IF the Church say they and general Councils be not Grounds and Rules of Faith Why then did the Ancient Fathers draw an Argument from them to Refute the Errors of the Antient Hereticks Answer of the Reformed to that Objection 1. VVE know say the Reformed That the Ancient Godly Fathers in Confuting all Hereticks used onely Arguments drawn out of the Scriptures and plainly taught That by no other Weapons an Heretick can be put to flight 2. The same Reformed do know That the Ancient Fathers did charge the Hereticks sometimes With the Judgment of Churches With Determination of Councils With Succession of Bishops With the Name of Catholicks Not as though this were a necessary Conviction of it self but thereby the rather to induce them to believe the Doctrine to be true which they did see from the first planting thereof in the Church to have remained 3. The case of the Papists drawing Arguments of Conviction from the Doctrine of their Popish Church is nothing like seeing they have onely the bare Title of the Church without the Thing and as it were the empty Casket without the Treasure 4. The Reformed justly exclude from the Rule of Faith The Ancient Fathers 1. VVE Reformed as hath been said of General Councils do esteem and regard them in their place We thank God God for them We Read Allow and Commend them So far forth as they agree with Gods word 2. For it cannot be truely said that they never disagree from it 3. We grant that they were Learned and Godly Men but yet were they Men having their Infirmities and Imperfections 4. Their Learning Their Zeal Their Ages Were not Priviledge unto them but that notwithstanding they might be deceived in their Writings and in their Expositions of Scripture 5. And let the Popish Doctors take this for a sure Conclusion That in the Sayings of Those who are all of them subject to Error there is no stable and stedy Ground to build our Faith upon least perhaps we build upon Error in stead of Truth 6. So that without Tryal and Examination no Sentence of a Father nor of all Fathers may safely be Received §. Objection of the Popish Writers against our Rejection from the Rule of Faith the Ancient Fathers SInce the Reformed Exclude the Ancient Fathers from the Rule of Faith Why say the Popish Writers do they make use of them and alledge them Answer to this Objection 1. THe Reformed do read the Ancient Fathers And oftentimes they rehearse their Sentences and their Expositions of the Scripture 2. But not as Proofs in Doctrines of themselves For they do not acknowledge them as Rule and Ground of the Faith 3. It is to stop the Papists Mouthes that cry so loud in the ears of the simple that all the Fathers are against them 4. It being most true That they are notably and generally for them § How the Reformed carry themselves in regard of the Scriptures in regard of the Ancient Fathers 1. This is their Carriage in regard of the Scriptures 1. THey receive that which the Scripture delivereth 2. They reject that which the Scripture reproveth 2. This is Their Carriage in regard of the Ancient Fathers 1. THey read the Fathers with Indifferent and Free Judgement 2. Weighing all their Doctrine in the Balance of Gods Word and thereby either allowing or refusing the same 3. This they must do or else of Fathers they make Gods of Mens Writings They make Canonical Scriptures Of Doctors Opinions they make Articles of Faith 4. And herein they do no otherwise then they are taught both by Scriptures and by Fathers to do 5. They declare to the Popish Writers That concerning these two Heads they shall never get at their hands more than this § Of Bishop Jewels Challenge to the Fathers that flourished 600 years after Christ The Popish Writers IOhn Jewel say they challenged the Catholicks calling upon and desiring the help of the Fathers as many as flourished 600 years after Christ Answer of the Reformed to that Relation 1. They Answer this THat Bishop Jewel proved all the Ancient Fathers to be against the Church of Rome in Disputing with Doctor Harding as he had affirmed at Paul's Crosse 2. They Answer this 1. THat the present Popish Writers may be ashamed to make mention of that Challenge which they have so long ago given over as a Desperate Cause 2. Wherein Doctor Harding the chiefest Adversarie could not make shew of Proof without using the Testimonies of forged and Counterfeit Writers As Amphilochius Clemens Abdias Hippolytus And such Others of which no more Account is to be made then of Fables and shamelesse Forgeries Such were the Chiefest Proofs which Dr. Harding was able to bring 2. And whatsoever he brought hath been fully Answered in the Reply by the Bishop himself Which Book as yet though it hath been in some parts nipped at by Divers yet throughly confuted was it never what the present Popish Writers can do in this Case may easily be guessed 3. They Answer This. 1. THat what which Bishop Jewel promised to give over and to subscribe If any of the 27. Articles of Controversies propounded by him could be proved by Scriptures Councils or Doctors within 660. years after Christ was not because he meant ever to subscribe to the Popish Doctrine or was unstayed in his Religion but it was of a most assured knowledge and resolute perswasion That the Popish Doctors were utterly destitute in this behalf of all Truth and Antiquity as indeed they are 2. Otherwise the Popish Doctors may remember That our Religion is grounded onely upon the Holy Scriptures of God 3. And therefore though the said Doctors brought against us Reformed Writers and Fathers never so many for these Matters as they can bring not one of Credit and Age. Yet will we never subscribe unto them having once subscribed to the certain Truth of God revealed unto us in his holy perfect and written word 4. By which all Sentences Opinions and Writings of Men whatsoever must be examined §. Notwithstanding some Errors of the Ancient Fathers we Reformed esteem them as Gods Saints and holy Men and holy Fathers 1. THe Ancient Fathers holding the Ground and Foundation of Doctrine did oftentimes build thereon Stubble and Straw partly by some Superstitious Opinions which themselves conceived of such Inventions and partly by the sway and violence of Custome whereby they were carried to a liking of those Things which they saw commended and practised by others 2. And yet God forbid that because of some Errors which they held we Reformed
for it is thereby to poison People and to put them in the way which leadeth unto Death 3. Of this Seduction is spoken 2 Thess 9 10. in these words Even him namely the wicked mentioned before whose coming is after the working of Satan with all Power and Signes and lying Wonders and with all deceivablenesse of unrighteousnesse in them that perish because they received not the love of the Truth that they might be saved Of the same also is spoken Apoc. 13.12 where it is said of the Second Beast That he causeth the Earth and Them which dwell therein to worship the first Beast whose deadly wound was healed And a little after namely vers 14. That this Second Beast deceiveth them that dwell on the Earth by the means of those Miracles which he had Power to do in the sight of the Beast And that he causeth all both small and great rich and poor free and bond to receive a mark in their right hand or in their foreheads And that no man might buy or sell save he that had the mark or the name of the Beast or the number of his Name And Chap. 13.7 8. It is said That it was given unto him to make war with the Saints and to overcome them And power was given him over all kindreds and tongues and nations And all that dwell upon the Earth shall worship him whose names are not written in the Book of Life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world And Chapt. 17.2 It is said That with the great Whore the Kings of the Earth have committed Fornication and the Inhabiters of the Earth have been made drunk with the Wine of her Fornication 4. All That hath been seen before the last Reformation of the Church 2. NOw as Satan to the end he may tempt the better doth often transform himself in an Angel of Light So Antichrist and his Followers to seduce better the world and to spread with greater fruit and successe the venome of his False Doctrine in corrupting that of Christ and of his Apostles hath made use of four Means the fittest for the fulfilling of his designe 1. The first of these Means consisteth in Mysteries and Secrets 2. The second of these Means consisteth in Frauds and Impostures 3. The third of these Means consisteth in Signes and Miracles 4. And the Fourth of these Signs consisteth in Persecution and Crueltie 1. I have said That the First of the Means used by the Popes and the Church of Rome to seduce People consisteth in Mysteries and Secrets 1. FOr Poperie having not found convenient openly to propound her false Doctrines hath cloathed them with Mysteries that so they may be more easily received In this regard it is said of the great Whore Apoc. 17.5 That upon her forehead was a Name written Mysterie Babylon the Great the Mother of Harlots and Abominations of the Earth 2. Let the Rationals be read and the book of Ceremonies of the Church of Rome and no piece or part of the Divine Service thereof shall be found which containeth not some Mysteries even to the Priests Garments and to the Lamps alwaies burning 3. The Doctrine of an Oecumenical and Universal Bishop and Head was softly introduced under this Mysterie That thereby the Unitie of the Church was represented 4. Marriage hath been prohibited to the Roman Clergie permitting unto them under this colour to keep Concubines And under this Mystery That Virginity is far more excellent then Marriage 5. The Life and the Monastical Vowes have been introduced under this Mystery That the Contemplative Life is by much to be preferred to the Active And that thereby Grace and Glory are merited And moreover that thereby more is done then God commandeth in his Law 6. The use of Holy Scripture in an unknown Tongue hath been introduced under this Mystery To avoid and hinder the contempt of Her Mysteries And to entertain an Union in all the Churches 7. How many Mysteries are found out in the Masse to the end that it may be received 2. I have said That the Second of the Means used by the Popes and the Church of Rome to seduce People consisteth in Impostures 1. IN that they are like to False Coyners and to Jugglers Like again to the Serpent who by Imposture and Fraud did deceive our Mother Eve and by the same Means did indeavour to seduce Jesus Christ our Saviour but was not able to do it 2. Which Impostures and Frauds have been shewed and continue to be shewed by the Popes and by the Roman Clergie in divers manners 3. We will produce in particular those divers Manners after we have set down the other Means used by the Popes and the Church of Rome to seduce People 2. I have said That the Third of the Means used by the Popes and the Church of Rome to seduce People consisteth in Signs and Miracles 1. OF them doth Christ our Saviour speak Matth. 24.24 in these words For there shall arise false Christs and false Prophets and shall shew great signs and wonders insomuch that if it were possible they shall deceive the very Elect. Of them also doth S. Paul speak 2 Thess 2.9 in these words Even him namely Antichrist whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders Of them likewise doth S. John speak Apoc. 13.14 in these words And them that dwell on the earth meaning Antichrist by the means of those Miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the Beast 2. The Popes which are that Antichrist boasting of this Gift of Miracles hath noised more of them then any other Religion Either the True Or the False Religion More then Simon the Magician did More then Mahomet hath done More then Moses and the other Prophets have done Nay more then Christ hath done and his Apostles although they have made of them in great Number 3. Is it not the most ordinarie Subject of the Legends of the Saints by which in time past the Preachers of the Church of Rome did so beat the ears of their Auditors It is true That since the Reformation of the Christians those Legends are not so much esteemed but still Citations are made out of them although not so commonly 4. But these Miracles boasted by those of the Church of Rome were not true but lying Miracles And that in regard of all manners and kinds of Causer 1. False in regard of the efficient Cause Because they were wrought by Satan who is the father of Lyes 2. False in regard of the final Cause Because they were done to introduce a false Doctrine and full of Lyes 3. False in regard of the Material Cause Because most of them are but Illusions and Impostures Not true Resurrections of some Dead as they are pretended to be Neither also curing of some Diseases 4. False in regard of the Formal Cause For if some of these Miracles are true in respect of the Matter they shall
their Dictates and Opinions as if they were Divine Oracles That Doctor who hath the command of our Conscience hath his Chair in Heaven we love and honour such persons as our Friends yet so that we honour Truth and love it above all Friendship Which Churches and Assemblies we comprehend Properly under the Appellation of Reformed Churches 1. THey are the Churches which are entirely Reformed of which by Gods Grace we are Members 2. That is to say those Churches who having the true Marks of the Church have them also with all the Purity which is required in regard of the Doctrine of Faith and in regard of the Worship of God 1. 1. The Socinians 2. The Anabaptists Are not comprehended by the Protestants under the Appellation of Reformed and True Churches Because in their Assemblies the very Notes of the True Church do not appear 1. FOr we do not comprehend under that Appellation those Assemblies who having forsaken Idolatry Superstitions and some Errors of the Roman Church are fallen into others very great and most pernicious Such are the Assemblies of the Socinians or the New Samosatenians And such also are the Assemblies of the Anabaptists In which Assemblies the very Notes and Marks of the true Church do not appear The Reformed Religion is True and Orthodox 1. 1. THe Reformed Churches Faith is found That appears in their Belief of God the Father Of his onely Son Jesus Christ Of the Holy Ghost Of the Church Of the Sacraments Of the Ministery Of the Scriptures Of Ceremonies And of every part of Christian Belief 2. They abandon and detest as plagues and poysons all those old Heresies which either the Sacred Scriptures or the Ancient Councils have utterly condemned 3. They call home again as much as in them lieth the right Discipline of the Church which our Adversaries have quite brought into a poor and weak case 4. They punish all licentiousness of Life and unruliness of Manners by the Old and long continued Laws And with as much sharpness as is convenient and lieth in their power They maintain still the state of Kingdomes in the same Condition and State of Honour wherein they have found them without any diminution or alteration Reserving unto their Princes their Majesty and Worldly Preheminence safe and without impairing to their possible power 6. They have so gotten themselves away from that Popish Church which the Popes had made a Den of Thieves and wherein nothing was in good frame or like to the Church of God as Lot in times past gat him out of Sodome or Abraham out of Chalde Not upon a desire of Contention but by the warning of God himself 7. They have searched out of the holy Bible which they are sure cannot deceive them their sure Form of Religion and have returned again unto the Primitive Church of the Apostles and of the Ancient Fathers that is to say to the ground and beginning of things unto the very foundations and head-springs of Christs Church The Reformed Churches are the same in kinde with all the good Churches which were before them 1. THe Reformed Churches are the same with all Good Churches that had been in the World before them and do succeed the found and firm Members of the General Visible Church in whom was the Life of true Religion in the substantial matter of Faith and Godliness 2. But they having shaken off their former Errors they differ from them in manner and quality As a man who was deceived in sundry things when he becomes wiser differs from himself as he was Ignorant 3. And as a sick body when it is healed and a Commonwealth after it hath reformed disorders are in substance the same but differ in in Quality and in Goodness so the Protestant Churches have purged sundry corruptions and perfected that which was defective But are the same in kinde with all the good Churches and Christians that were before them And succeeds them of the General Visible Church in whom was the Life of Faith and of Religion Concerning the Antiquity of the Reformed Religion Jesuites THe Jesuites say That the Reformed for fifteen hundred Years could not spy out one Town one Village one House seasoned with the Doctrine that they follow Now. Answer of the Reformed 1. THe Reformed do answer That such an Accusation is very false for in the Apostles time all Churches all Cities and Towns every Family embraced the same Faith and Religion which now they profess 2. Antichrist that Man of Sin could never prevail so much nor so far in corrupting the Christian Religion and Church but a great multitude of the Saints remained and those whose Names were written in the Book of Life did utterly abhor all those filthy and wicked Superstitions of Antichrist For in the Church of Rome it self even in the worst times of it many were ever found who worshipped the God of their Fathers and kept themselves unpolluted with that horrible Idolatry And this can Histories of all Times witness which we could now Recite Vide Catalog Testium veritatis if it were needful and reckon up to the Jesuites many Houses Villages Towns Cities and Countries where Christ had many and populous Churches 3. We add That the Greek Church could never yet be brought to joyn it self to the Roman Church and it is now as opposite to Her as ever the Reformed was and is 4. Furthermore we answer to this Question of the Jesuites Where was your Church for so many years before Luther That it did never lie so hid but it was discerned by their Pope unless for so many years he persecuted shaddows § Another Answer of the Reformed to the Question of the Jesuites Where was the Reformed Religion before the Reformation made by Luther and other Divines 1. THey answer That the Apostles and the Primitive Church for almost six hundred years after Christ taught as they do 2. They answer That ever since that time there have been some that have contended for the maintenance of the Faith which they profess For Example 1. In matter of Supremacy they taught as the Reformed do till after Gregories time which was six hundred years after Christ yea Gregory himself writing against them of Constantinople held this Language If any shall call himself Vniversal Bishop I say it confidently that he is Antichrist 3. In matter of the Sacrament for a thousand years together that the People received the Wine as vvell as the Bread Aquinas cannot deny 3. In the point of Images at first the Church admitted no Images at all as Erasmus and Gregory sheweth yea Polydore Virgil confesseth That the Fathers condemned Images for fear of Idolatry and this continued till the second Nicene Council But now of late the Trent Council and Bellarmine have given unto them Divine honour 4. Bristow a Popish Doctor confesseth this The Truth is saith he that some have been in all Ages of the Protestants Opinion 5. And Illiricus Flaccus doth remember one Reynerius who