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how_o substantial_o he_o argue_v infer_v that_o the_o matter_n and_o substance_n of_o the_o oration_n be_v uncertain_a because_o it_o be_v doubtful_a of_o which_o cyprian_n the_o oration_n be_v make_v whereas_o nevertheless_o he_o can_v with_o any_o reason_n deny_v but_o that_o the_o oration_n be_v s._n gregory_n nazianzen_n whereupon_o it_o must_v needs_o follow_v that_o albeit_o nazianzen_n shall_v be_v deceive_v matth._n and_o err_v in_o the_o history_n or_o the_o person_n of_o who_o he_o speak_v yet_o the_o substance_n as_o well_o of_o the_o story_n as_o of_o the_o doctrine_n contain_v in_o that_o oration_n be_v true_a in_o his_o conceit_n and_o therefore_o may_v serve_v for_o a_o assure_a testimony_n of_o his_o belief_n &_o of_o the_o practice_n of_o the_o church_n in_o his_o time_n which_o be_v the_o only_a point_n now_o in_o question_n and_o therefore_o see_v that_o he_o not_o only_o pray_v to_o a_o saint_n himself_o but_o also_o signify_v that_o a_o holy_a virgin_n do_v the_o like_a it_o be_v clear_a that_o both_o he_o himâ—elfe_n and_o also_o the_o faithful_a people_n in_o those_o day_n hold_v it_o to_o be_v lawful_a and_o practise_v it_o as_o occasion_n require_v 61._o and_o whereas_o m._n andrew_n add_v concern_v the_o latter_a point_n to_o wit_n the_o prayer_n of_o the_o maid_n that_o it_o be_v but_o a_o fact_n of_o a_o maid_n and_o then_o ask_v whether_o the_o fact_n of_o a_o maid_n be_v a_o statute_n of_o the_o church_n and_o whether_o a_o rule_n of_o faith_n be_v to_o be_v ground_v upon_o a_o maid_n act_v i_o have_v sufficient_o answer_v he_o already_o touch_v the_o statute_n 5â—_n &_o decree_n of_o the_o church_n concern_v this_o point_n and_o now_o tell_v he_o again_o that_o there_o be_v neither_o at_o that_o time_n any_o need_n of_o statute_n for_o prayer_n to_o saint_n which_o then_o be_v every_o where_o in_o practice_n neither_o iâ—_n iâ—_n now_o in_o question_n what_o the_o church_n decree_v then_o touch_v the_o same_o but_o what_o be_v then_o general_o practise_v and_o believe_v which_o can_v be_v better_a and_o more_o clear_o prove_v by_o any_o testimony_n of_o the_o father_n then_o by_o such_o as_o witness_v not_o only_o their_o own_o fact_n but_o also_o the_o practice_n of_o other_o christian_n either_o in_o their_o day_n or_o else_o in_o former_a time_n as_o this_o be_v which_o s._n gregory_n affirm_v of_o that_o holy_a maid_n 62._o but_o will_v you_o now_o hear_v how_o well_o m._n andrew_n conclude_v all_o this_o matter_n supra_fw-la forsooth_o he_o make_v a_o objection_n against_o himself_o say_v in_o a_o different_a letter_n as_o if_o the_o objection_n be_v the_o cardinal_n sed_fw-la factum_fw-la non_fw-la reprehenditur_fw-la andrews_n but_o this_o fact_n of_o the_o maid_n be_v not_o reprehend_v by_o s._n gregory_n nazianzen_n and_o then_o he_o add_v answer_v to_o his_o own_o objection_n immò_fw-la idem_fw-la illud_fw-la etc._n etc._n yea_o but_o epiphanius_n sharp_o reprehend_v the_o self_n same_o in_o the_o same_o age_n in_o the_o collyridian_n heretic_n when_o it_o be_v do_v by_o many_o of_o the_o same_o sex_n thus_o say_v m._n andrews_n play_v his_o part_n kind_o as_o well_o in_o his_o objection_n as_o in_o his_o answer_n for_o in_o his_o objection_n wherein_o he_o will_v seem_v to_o speak_v for_o the_o cardinal_n or_o rather_o to_o lay_v down_o his_o word_n he_o dissemble_v altogether_o what_o the_o cardinal_n say_v to_o urge_v and_o fortify_v that_o example_n of_o the_o maid_n 〈◊〉_d and_o therefore_o forbear_v purposely_o as_o it_o may_v be_v think_v to_o set_v it_o down_o in_o his_o margin_n with_o the_o rest_n of_o the_o cardinal_n text_n who_o after_o the_o word_n of_o s._n gregory_n before_o relate_v to_o wit_n virginem_fw-la mariam_n rogavit_fw-la etc._n etc._n lady_n she_o beseech_v the_o virgin_n mary_n to_o succour_v a_o virgin_n in_o danger_n add_v immediate_o ac_fw-la paulo_fw-la pòst_fw-la refert_fw-la eam_fw-la etc._n etc._n and_o a_o little_a after_o nazianzen_n declare_v that_o her_o prayer_n be_v hear_v vicit_fw-la inquit_fw-la virgo_fw-la vincitur_fw-la daemon_n the_o virgin_n say_v he_o overcome_v and_o the_o devil_n be_v overcome_v thus_o do_v the_o cardinal_n urge_v this_o example_n which_o as_o you_o see_v be_v of_o much_o more_o force_n then_o to_o say_v only_o as_o m._n andrews_n say_v that_o s._n gregory_n do_v not_o reprehend_v the_o fact_n 63._o for_o albeit_o his_o silence_n in_o not_o reprehend_v it_o may_v serve_v for_o a_o argument_n that_o he_o do_v not_o mislike_v it_o yet_o the_o other_o clear_o prove_v that_o not_o only_o he_o but_o also_o god_n himself_o do_v notable_o approve_v it_o see_v he_o say_v that_o she_o obtain_v the_o effect_n of_o her_o prayer_n and_o overcome_v the_o devil_n whereto_o i_o also_o add_v that_o when_o that_o holy_a father_n begin_v to_o recount_v the_o history_n of_o the_o maid_n supra_fw-la he_o say_v thus_o audite_fw-la virgin_n ac_fw-la simul_fw-la exultate_fw-la etc._n etc._n harken_v o_fw-fr you_o virgin_n and_o rejoice_v also_o yea_o all_o you_o that_o esteem_v chastity_n in_o matrimony_n and_o love_v virgin_n give_v ear_n for_o to_o both_o sort_n this_o my_o narratio_fw-la may_v serve_v for_o a_o ornament_n so_o he_o whereby_o it_o appear_v plain_o that_o he_o mean_v to_o recount_v that_o which_o he_o will_v wish_v to_o be_v approve_v and_o imitate_v by_o other_o whereupon_o it_o follow_v that_o by_o this_o example_n he_o exhort_v and_o encourage_v all_o those_o who_o chastity_n shall_v be_v endanger_v to_o crave_v the_o help_n of_o the_o bless_a virgin_n as_o that_o holy_a maid_n do_v who_o thereby_o together_o with_o her_o other_o devotion_n of_o fast_v and_o prayer_n to_o almighty_a god_n which_o s._n gregory_n relate_v overcome_v the_o devil_n and_o escape_v the_o danger_n of_o his_o tentation_n and_o can_v this_o holy_a father_n more_o evident_o declare_v what_o his_o faith_n and_o belief_n be_v concern_v prayer_n to_o saint_n than_o not_o only_o to_o relate_v this_o fact_n of_o a_o holy_a virgin_n without_o reprehension_n of_o it_o but_o also_o to_o signify_v the_o happy_a event_n and_o success_n thereof_o yea_o and_o to_o incyte_v other_o to_o the_o approbation_n andrew_n and_o imitation_n of_o it_o 64._o but_o now_o say_v m._n andrew_n although_o nazianzen_n do_v not_o reprehend_v itâ—_n yet_o epiphanius_n do_v sharp_o reprove_v idem_fw-la illud_fw-la even_o the_o self_n same_o fact_n in_o the_o same_o age_n in_o other_o woman_n if_o this_o be_v true_a m._n andrews_n do_v indeed_o say_v somewhat_o to_o the_o purpose_n at_o least_o to_o prove_v that_o the_o father_n of_o that_o age_n do_v not_o with_o unanim_fw-la consent_n allow_v prayer_n to_o saint_n but_o if_o it_o be_v false_a and_o that_o he_o flat_o belie_v s._n epiphanius_n collyridâ—anâ—_n what_o shall_v we_o think_v of_o the_o man_n conscience_n and_o cause_n the_o truth_n be_v s._n epiphanius_n sharp_o reprehend_v certain_a woman_n who_o use_v at_o a_o certain_a time_n of_o the_o year_n to_o commit_v idolatry_n to_o the_o virgin_n mary_n dianis_fw-la adore_v she_o with_o divine_a honour_n offer_v unto_o her_o certain_a cake_n in_o sacrifice_n as_o though_o she_o have_v be_v a_o god_n or_o a_o goddess_n and_o they_o her_o priest_n whereupon_o he_o discourse_v ample_o prove_v first_o out_n of_o the_o old_a testament_n that_o nusquam_fw-la mulier_fw-la sacrificavit_fw-la aut_fw-la sacerdotio_fw-la functa_fw-la est_fw-la woman_n have_v never_o sacrifyce_v anywhere_o or_o execute_v priestly_a function_n and_o then_o he_o come_v to_o the_o new_a testament_n where_o he_o show_v also_o the_o same_o and_o add_v further_a that_o if_o woman_n can_v ever_o have_v be_v admit_v to_o sacrifice_n the_o virgin_n mary_n herself_o shall_v have_v do_v it_o rather_o than_o any_o other_o nevertheless_o she_o never_o do_v and_o final_o he_o conclude_v that_o the_o body_n of_o the_o bless_a virgin_n mary_n be_v revera_fw-la sanctum_fw-la sed_fw-la non_fw-la deus_fw-la true_o holy_a but_o not_o god_n 65._o by_o all_o which_o it_o appear_v that_o these_o woman_n which_o epiphanius_n reprehend_v do_v not_o only_o take_v upon_o they_o the_o priestly_a function_n but_o also_o commit_v flat_a idolatry_n adore_v the_o virgin_n mary_n with_o divine_a honour_n offer_v sacrifice_n unto_o she_o which_o be_v a_o worship_n due_a to_o god_n alone_o now_o then_o can_v a_o man_n believe_v that_o m._n andrew_n reputation_n or_o any_o man_n else_o that_o have_v care_n of_o his_o reputation_n will_v be_v so_o shameless_a to_o say_v that_o this_o be_v idem_fw-la illud_fw-la that_o very_a self_n same_o thing_n which_o nazianzen_n say_v that_o holy_a virgin_n do_v who_o only_o crave_v help_v of_o the_o virgin_n mary_n be_v there_o no_o difference_n betwixt_o pray_v and_o sacrifyse_v betwixt_o idolatry_n and_o religious_a veneration_n due_a to_o god_n saint_n himself_o and_o servant_n or_o betwixt_o the_o usurpation_n of_o priestly_a function_n
the_o same_o be_v to_o be_v extend_v to_o the_o new_a law_n as_o well_o may_v he_o say_v that_o we_o be_v bind_v to_o observe_v the_o whole_a law_n and_o so_o prove_v himself_o a_o jew_n &_o evacuate_v the_o law_n of_o christ_n as_o saint_n paul_n argue_v against_o 5._o those_o that_o maintain_v the_o use_n of_o circumcision_n together_o with_o the_o faith_n of_o christ._n 27._o nevertheless_o i_o say_v not_o this_o to_o exclude_v all_o manner_n of_o argument_n moses_n or_o inference_n draw_v from_o the_o old_a law_n to_o the_o new_a that_o the_o same_o remain_n within_o the_o limit_n of_o probability_n as_o from_o the_o figure_n to_o the_o verity_n which_o admit_v many_o limitation_n and_o exception_n but_o to_o exclude_v the_o obligation_n of_o all_o precept_n either_o ceremonial_a 16._o or_o judicial_a which_o do_v not_o in_o any_o sort_n bind_v we_o now_o as_o i_o have_v show_v in_o the_o first_o chapter_n of_o this_o adjoinder_n and_o therefore_o whereas_o m._n andrews_n say_v here_o cum_fw-la praeceptum_fw-la acceperimus_fw-la in_o lege_fw-la disertis_fw-la verbis_fw-la etc._n etc._n see_v we_o have_v receive_v a_o precept_n in_o the_o law_n in_o express_a word_n etc._n etc._n jew._n i_o say_v to_o he_o that_o see_v this_o precept_n do_v undouted_o belong_v to_o the_o ceremonial_a law_n and_o concern_v only_o the_o manner_n of_o worship_n to_o be_v do_v to_o god_n by_o sacrifice_n he_o show_v himself_o a_o flat_a jew_n in_o say_v that_o we_o christian_n have_v receive_v this_o precept_n in_o the_o law_n 28._o furthermore_o he_o be_v to_o understand_v that_o albeit_o we_o shall_v grant_v that_o nothing_o can_v be_v practise_v or_o teach_v in_o the_o new_a law_n without_o some_o precept_n or_o doctrine_n thereof_o deliver_v by_o our_o saviour_n christ_n unto_o his_o church_n yet_o he_o can_v gain_v nothing_o thereby_o except_o he_o can_v also_o prove_v that_o all_o our_o saviour_n precept_n and_o doctrine_n be_v express_o set_v down_o in_o scripture_n which_o neither_o he_o nor_o any_o of_o his_o fellow_n have_v be_v able_a yet_o to_o prove_v or_o ever_o shall_v be_v it_o be_v evident_a that_o our_o saviour_n neither_o command_v any_o thing_n at_o all_o to_o be_v write_v but_o to_o be_v preach_v and_o teach_v say_v praedicate_fw-la evangelium_fw-la etc._n etc._n preach_v the_o gospel_n to_o every_o creature_n and_o again_o docete_fw-la omnes_fw-la gentes_fw-la etc._n etc._n teach_v all_o nation_n 28._o baptise_v they_o &c._n &c._n neither_o do_v the_o apostle_n either_o write_v any_o thing_n of_o diverse_a year_n after_o christ_n ascension_n or_o when_o they_o write_v deliver_v all_o christ_n doctrine_n and_o their_o own_o by_o writing_n 2._o but_o very_o many_o thing_n by_o tradition_n in_o which_o respect_n the_o apostle_n himself_o say_v tenete_fw-la traditiones_fw-la quas_fw-la accepistis_fw-la sive_fw-la per_fw-la sermonem_fw-la sive_fw-la per._n epistolam_fw-la nostram_fw-la hold_v the_o tradition_n which_o you_o have_v receive_v either_o by_o word_n or_o by_o our_o epistle_n by_o which_o word_n of_o the_o apostle_n the_o ancient_a father_n namely_o 2._o s._n chrysostome_n 61_o s._n epiphanius_n 29._o s._n basil_n s._n john_n 17_o damascen_n 2._o oecumenius_n theophilactus_fw-la and_o the_o 8._o general_n 1._o council_n do_v prove_v the_o necessary_a use_n of_o unwritten_a tradition_n in_o the_o church_n and_o among_o the_o rest_n s_o chrysostome_n say_v hinc_fw-la patet_fw-la etc._n etc._n hereby_o it_o be_v manife_a that_o the_o apostle_n do_v not_o deliver_v all_o thing_n by_o epistle_n but_o many_o thing_n without_o writing_n eadem_fw-la fide_fw-la digna_fw-la sunt_fw-la tam_fw-la illa_fw-la quam_fw-la ista_fw-la as_o well_o those_o thing_n as_o these_o be_v worthy_a of_o the_o same_o credit_n rule_n 29._o for_o this_o cause_n s._n augustine_n give_v this_o general_a rule_n that_o whatsoever_o the_o whole_a church_n retain_v whereof_o the_o beginning_n can_v be_v deduce_v either_o from_o the_o scripture_n or_o general_n counsel_n or_o some_o late_a institution_n the_o same_o be_v undouted_o deliver_v by_o the_o apostle_n and_o this_o he_o urge_v 23._o very_o often_o as_o a_o most_o assure_a ground_n and_o principle_n against_o the_o donatist_n and_o for_o the_o same_o reason_n not_o only_o he_o but_o also_o all_o other_o father_n teach_v that_o the_o general_a custom_n of_o the_o church_n be_v a_o infallible_a and_o evident_a proof_n of_o the_o truth_n in_o any_o controversy_n in_o so_o much_o that_o he_o affirm_v it_o to_o be_v insolentissimae_fw-la insaniae_fw-la a_o point_n of_o most_o insolent_a madness_n to_o dispute_v or_o doubt_v of_o it_o as_o i_o have_v declare_v in_o the_o last_o chapter_n which_o i_o wish_v m._n andrews_n well_o to_o observe_v as_o also_o the_o other_o testimony_n of_o the_o ancient_a father_n produce_v there_o concern_v this_o point_n 49._o 30._o now_o then_o hereupon_o i_o conclude_v two_o thing_n the_o one_o that_o m._n andrews_n who_o as_o he_o say_v 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especial_o see_v that_o diverse_a of_o they_o speak_v of_o public_a matter_n of_o fact_n which_o pass_v in_o their_o own_o time_n and_o knowledge_n in_o which_o respect_n they_o can_v be_v think_v to_o fain_v and_o lie_v except_o we_o shall_v take_v they_o to_o be_v void_a both_o of_o conscience_n and_o common_a honesty_n 69._o but_o m._n andrew_n add_v further_o that_o it_o appear_v even_o in_o cardinal_n bellarmine_n himself_o that_o the_o father_n be_v not_o all_o of_o one_o mind_n concern_v prayer_n to_o saint_n supra_fw-la and_o for_o proof_n thereof_o he_o remit_v his_o reader_n to_o the_o cardinal_n controversye_n answer_v and_o particular_o to_o the_o tract_n de_fw-fr beatitudine_fw-la sanctorum_fw-la the_o first_o book_n and_o 20._o chapter_n which_o true_o i_o have_v read_v diligent_o and_o can_v find_v any_o thing_n at_o all_o to_o that_o purpose_n except_o perhaps_o he_o mean_v that_o the_o cardinal_n signify_v there_o the_o different_a opinion_n of_o the_o father_n concern_v the_o manner_n how_o saint_n do_v understand_v 20._o or_o hear_v our_o prayer_n whereupon_o it_o seem_v m._n andrew_n infer_v that_o they_o differ_v also_o in_o opinion_n concern_v the_o whole_a controversy_n andrews_n when_o nevertheless_o it_o appear_v evident_o there_o that_o they_o make_v no_o doubt_n whether_o prayer_n to_o saint_n be_v lawful_a neither_o yet_o whether_o they_o know_v our_o action_n but_o only_o in_o what_o manner_n they_o know_v they_o and_o how_o they_o hear_v or_o understand_v our_o prayer_n touch_v which_o point_n and_o the_o absurd_a inference_n that_o m_n andrew_n make_v thereof_o deny_v the_o certaynty_a of_o the_o effect_n by_o the_o uncertainty_n of_o the_o cause_n or_o manner_n of_o it_o i_o have_v so_o ample_o discourse_v 16._o before_o that_o i_o shall_v not_o need_v to_o say_v any_o more_o thereof_o in_o this_o place_n 70._o but_o that_o which_o i_o wish_v to_o be_v note_v
as_o i_o declare_v ample_o in_o the_o 2._o chapter_n 57_o i_o doubt_v not_o also_o but_o that_o you_o remember_v his_o egregious_a abuse_n of_o s._n augustine_n and_o of_o a_o african_a synod_n concern_v appeal_n from_o africa_n to_o rome_n with_o 3._o notable_a sequent_a lie_n within_o little_a more_o than_o 3._o lyness_n and_o of_o s._n 64._o epiphanius_n flat_o belie_v touch_v prayer_n to_o our_o bless_a lady_n also_o of_o s._n sup_v ambrose_n not_o only_o shameful_o calumniate_v but_o also_o very_o fraudulent_o allege_v and_o last_o his_o notable_a abuse_n and_o deceitful_a allegation_n of_o 71._o theodâ—ret_n concern_v prayer_n to_o angel_n all_o which_o i_o have_v ample_o &_o clear_o discover_v in_o the_o 4.6.7_o and_o 8._o chapter_n whereto_o i_o will_v now_o add_v some_o other_o example_n of_o his_o fraudulent_a deal_n in_o this_o kind_n and_o first_o touch_v a_o point_n which_o i_o have_v occasion_n to_o touch_v in_o my_o suplement_n to_o wit_n the_o authority_n of_o general_a 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veneror_fw-la etc._n etc._n i_o reverence_v also_o together_o with_o they_o the_o five_o council_n wherein_o the_o epistle_n of_o iba_n be_v reject_v as_o full_a of_o error_n and_o theodorus_n separate_v the_o person_n of_o our_o mediator_n in_o two_o substance_n be_v convince_v to_o have_v fall_v into_o perfidious_a impiety_n also_o the_o write_n of_o theodoret_n reprove_v the_o faith_n of_o cyril_n be_v refute_v there_o for_o their_o temerarious_a madness_n and_o therefore_o all_o the_o person_n which_o the_o say_v venerable_a counsel_n reject_v i_o do_v also_o reject_v and_o those_o which_o they_o admit_v and_o reverence_n i_o do_v embrace_v for_o see_v they_o be_v ordain_v by_o a_o universal_a consent_n whosoever_o presume_v to_o loose_v that_o which_o they_o bind_v or_o to_o bind_v that_o which_o they_o lose_v do_v destroy_v himself_o and_o not_o they_o quisquis_fw-la ergo_fw-la aliud_fw-la sapit_fw-la anathema_n sit_v etc._n etc._n therefore_o whosoever_o think_v or_o 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whether_o it_o concern_v matter_n of_o faith_n or_o the_o condennation_n of_o any_o man_n person_n and_o what_o other_o reason_n do_v he_o allege_v but_o because_o they_o be_v all_o five_o hold_v by_o general_a consent_n give_v evident_o to_o understand_v that_o a_o general_a council_n lawful_o assemble_v represent_v the_o whole_a church_n of_o god_n and_o be_v infallible_o guide_v by_o the_o holy_a ghost_n 61._o and_o whereas_o he_o seem_v to_o speak_v more_o magnificient_o as_o m._n andrews_n term_v it_o of_o the_o four_o former_a then_o of_o the_o five_o saying_n that_o he_o reverence_v they_o with_o all_o devotion_n as_o the_o 4._o ghospell_n the_o reason_n thereof_o be_v evident_a to_o wit_n because_o the_o most_o important_a point_n of_o our_o christian_a faith_n concern_v the_o bless_a trinity_n the_o godhead_n of_o the_o holy_a ghost_n and_o the_o divinity_n humanity_n nature_n and_o person_n of_o our_o saviour_n christ_n be_v resolve_v and_o decree_v therein_o whereas_o in_o the_o 5._o there_o be_v not_o any_o new_a matter_n of_o faith_n determine_v but_o only_o certain_a person_n and_o their_o write_n condemn_v which_o have_v cause_v a_o great_a controversy_n and_o schism_n in_o the_o church_n at_o that_o time_n nevertheless_o we_o see_v 37._o that_o albeit_o s._n gregory_n do_v not_o say_v in_o express_a word_n that_o he_o reverence_v the_o 5._o council_n as_o the_o 4._o ghospell_n as_o he_o say_v of_o the_o other_o four_o yet_o he_o say_v as_o much_o in_o effect_n see_v that_o he_o profess_v to_o hold_v all_o those_o for_o accurse_a who_o do_v reject_v or_o contradict_v it_o so_o that_o m._n andrews_n have_v shameful_o abuse_v and_o belie_v s._n gregory_n herein_o and_o must_v seek_v some_o other_o patron_n to_o justify_v and_o defend_v he_o for_o admit_v only_o the_o 4._o first_o general_n counsel_n but_o let_v we_o see_v some_o more_o of_o his_o fraud_n in_o this_o kind_n 62._o upon_o occasion_n of_o certain_a place_n of_o the_o father_n allege_v by_o the_o cardinal_n to_o show_v the_o custom_n of_o pray_v to_o saint_n in_o the_o primative_a church_n m._n andrews_n go_v about_o to_o prove_v that_o saint_n do_v not_o know_v what_o we_o do_v here_o on_o earth_n 46._o either_o by_o see_v the_o same_o in_o god_n or_o by_o be_v themselves_o present_a among_o we_o and_o have_v allege_v 3._o or_o 4._o authority_n for_o the_o former_a point_n which_o he_o may_v see_v sufficient_o answer_v in_o cardinal_n 2._o bellarmine_n controversy_n he_o say_v for_o the_o letter_n 4._o mortuos_fw-la autem_fw-la rebus_fw-la nostris_fw-la non_fw-la interuenire_fw-la sensit_fw-la augustinus_n augustine_n be_v of_o opinion_n that_o the_o dead_a be_v not_o present_a at_o our_o affair_n for_o the_o which_o he_o quote_v no_o place_n of_o s._n augustine_n but_o add_v quis_fw-la hoc_fw-la refert_fw-la cardinalis_fw-la who_o relate_v or_o affirm_v this_o the_o cardinal_n and_o for_o this_o m._n andrews_n cit_v in_o his_o margin_n the_o cardinal_n treatise_n of_o the_o beatitude_n of_o saint_n in_o his_o book_n of_o controversy_n 20._o where_o indeed_o the_o cardinal_n handle_v that_o question_n and_o lay_v down_o the_o objection_n of_o heretic_n have_v among_o the_o rest_n a_o place_n of_o s._n augustine_n in_o his_o book_n de_fw-fr cura_fw-la pro_fw-la mortuis_fw-la 12._o where_o he_o affirm_v that_o the_o dead_a be_v not_o present_a at_o man_n affair_n neither_o yet_o do_v know_v what_o be_v do_v upon_o earth_n nevertheless_o afterward_o the_o cardinal_n answer_v the_o same_o objection_n in_o the_o same_o chapter_n prove_v out_o of_o the_o very_a same_o treatise_n of_o s._n augustine_n from_o whence_o the_o objection_n be_v take_v that_o albeit_o the_o dead_a be_v not_o usual_o present_a at_o man_n affair_n nor_o do_v natural_o know_v what_o be_v do_v upon_o earth_n yet_o they_o may_v know_v it_o not_o only_o by_o angel_n 15._o but_o also_o supernatural_o to_o wit_n by_o divine_a revelation_n yea_o and_o that_o the_o holy_a martyr_n
in_o 2._o thes._n 2._o 2._o haer._n 61_o 61_o lib._n de_fw-fr spiritu_fw-la sanct._n cap._n 29._o 29._o lib._n 4._o de_fw-la fide_fw-la ca._n 17_o 17_o in_o 2._o thes._n 2._o 2._o act._n vlt._n can_v 1._o s._n augustine_n golden_a rule_n rule_n s._n aug._n de_fw-fr baptis_n contra_fw-la donat_n l._n 2._o ca._n 7._o &_o li._n 4._o c._n 6._o &_o ibid_fw-la cap._n 24._o &_o li._n 5._o ca._n 23._o idem_fw-la ep_n 118._o see_v chap._n 7._o nu_fw-la 49._o m._n andrews_n according_a to_o s._n augustin_n censure_n be_v a_o insolent_a mad_a man_n andr._n p._n 38._o §._o atque_fw-la s._n aug_n li_n de_fw-fr unit_fw-la eccl._n ca._n 22._o vel_fw-la 19_o in_o some_o edition_n idem_fw-la contra_fw-la crescon_n lib._n 1._o cap._n 33._o m._n andrews_n and_o his_o fellow_n do_v admit_v diverse_a tradition_n without_o any_o exâ—presse_a precept_n or_o example_n thereof_o in_o scripture_n origen_n lib._n 5._o in_o cap._n 6._o ad_fw-la rom._n s._n aug._n de_fw-fr gen._n ad_fw-la lit_fw-fr li._n 10._o c._n 23._o idem_fw-la lib._n 4._o de_fw-fr baptis_n conâ—ra_fw-la donatist_n cap._n 24._o see_v the_o faith_n doctrine_n etc._n etc._n print_v a_o do._n 1607._o by_o john_n legate_n in_o cambridg_n pag._n 1â—5_n art_n 27._o §._o the_o baptism_n &_o p._n 168._o §._o although_o see_v constitution_n ecclesiast_n print_a at_o london_n by_o barker_n a_o 1604_o can_v 30._o a_o notable_a trumpery_n of_o the_o pretend_a bishop_n in_o their_o ecclesiastical_a constitution_n ibidem_fw-la d._n tho._n 3._o par_fw-fr q_o 66._o greg._n de_fw-fr valent._n disput_n 4._o q._n 1._o navar._n in_o manu_fw-la cap._n 22._o nu_fw-la 6._o bellar._n de_fw-fr sacra_fw-la baptis_n lib._n 1._o cap._n 25._o navar._n in_o manual_a cap._n 22_o nu_fw-la 6._o the_o pretend_a bishop_n convince_v of_o fraud_n by_o his_o majesties_n testimony_n see_v the_o sum_n of_o the_o conference_n pag._n â—7_n §._o three_o print_a a_o 1604._o conference_n of_o hampton_n court_n contrary_a to_o the_o constitution_n and_o the_o same_o bishop_n to_o themselves_o the_o miserable_a state_n of_o england_n where_o such_o pastor_n have_v the_o charge_n of_o soul_n m._n andrews_n transgress_v either_o the_o synodical_a canon_n of_o the_o english_a clergy_n or_o his_o own_o rule_n see_v supra_fw-la nu_fw-la â—4_n andr._n p._n 37._o §._o verunâ—_n prayer_n to_o saint_n no_o less_o conform_v to_o the_o practice_n of_o the_o primitive_a church_n than_o the_o use_n of_o the_o sign_n of_o the_o cross_n in_o baptism_n s._n aug._n li._n de_fw-fr unit_fw-la eccl._n c._n 1â—_n &_o contra_fw-la crescon_n lib._n 1._o c._n 31._o idem_fw-la ep_n 118._o m._n andrews_n still_o hardly_o press_v with_o his_o own_o rule_n and_o inference_n upon_o the_o text_n of_o deuteronomy_n prayer_n to_o saint_n ought_v rather_o to_o be_v admit_v than_o the_o sign_n of_o the_o cross_n in_o baptism_n according_a to_o the_o synodical_a canon_n of_o the_o english_a clergy_n m._n andrews_n either_o idle_o demand_v a_o precept_n in_o scripture_n for_o prayer_n to_o saint_n or_o else_o he_o must_v grant_v it_o to_o be_v as_o lawful_a as_o the_o sign_n of_o the_o cross_n in_o baptism_n 1._o tim._n 2._o 1._o joan._n 2._o what_o place_n and_o how_o fit_a to_o the_o purpose_n the_o protestant_n allege_v out_o of_o the_o scripture_n against_o pray_v to_o saint_n matth._n 11._o the_o absurdity_n of_o our_o adversary_n argument_n against_o the_o invocation_n of_o saint_n andr._n cap._n 8._o pag._n 179._o lin_v 29._o a_o very_a silly_a and_o simple_a discourse_n of_o m._n andrews_n against_o pray_v to_o saint_n s._n aug_n conâ—â—ra_fw-mi ep_n parmen_fw-la lib._n 2._o cap._n 8._o m._n andrews_n serious_a in_o trifle_v his_o argument_n and_o whole_a discourse_n reâ—torted_v upon_o himself_o impugâ—ning_n our_o mutual_a prayer_n one_o for_o another_o m._n andrews_n his_o argument_n do_v as_o directly-overthrow_n that_o which_o he_o himself_o approve_v aâ—_n that_o which_o he_o impugn_v how_o it_o iâ—_n to_o be_v understand_v that_o christ_n be_v our_o only_a mediator_n and_o advocate_n 1._o tim._n â—â—_o 1._o joan._n 2._o hebr._n 7._o the_o meaning_n of_o s._n augustine_n pervert_v by_o m._n andrews_n be_v true_o explicate_v s._n aug._n li._n 2._o coâ—tra_fw-la ep_n parmemanica_fw-la 8â—_n 1._o joan._n 2._o how_o s._n augustine_n deny_v that_o man_n may_v be_v mediator_n one_o for_o another_o neither_o man_n nor_o saint_n or_o angel_n do_v obteyn_a any_o thing_n of_o god_n but_o by_o the_o mediation_n and_o meriâ—s_n of_o jesus_n christ._n m._n andrews_n prodigal_a of_o his_o rhetorik_v a_o absurd_a shift_n and_o evasion_n of_o our_o adversary_n urge_v against_o they_o jac._n 5._o the_o scripture_n shall_v contradict_v itself_o if_o christ_n be_v our_o only_a mediator_n in_o the_o sense_n that_o our_o adversary_n do_v take_v it_o it_o supra_fw-la â—u_n 25.26_o &_o seq_n seq_n supra_fw-la nu_fw-la 33._o &_o seq_n seq_n s._n hieron_n advers._n vigilant_a s._n aug._n ep_n 119._o &_o lib._n 22._o the_o civet_n cap._n 30._o s._n greg._n lib._n 11._o ep_n 3._o how_o prayer_n to_o saint_n be_v conform_v to_o scripture_n and_o deduce_v from_o it_o it_o see_v chap._n 7._o nu_fw-la 48._o &_o supra_fw-la hoc_fw-la cap_n nu_fw-la 31._o 31._o luc._n 10â—_o matth._n 18._o 18._o 1._o cor._n 1â—_n if_o our_o brethren_n on_o earth_n may_v pray_v for_o we_o and_o we_o by_o warrant_n of_o the_o scripture_n commend_v ourselves_o to_o their_o prayer_n why_o may_v we_o not_o do_v the_o like_a unto_o saint_n see_v suprad_a nu_fw-la 12._o ad_fw-la nu_fw-la 24._o vide_fw-la coccium_fw-la to._n 1._o lib_n 5._o art_n 4._o de_fw-la sanctis_fw-la sanctis_fw-la see_v supra_fw-la nu_fw-la 22._o dan._n 3._o â—_o reg._n 11._o 2._o paral._n 21._o 4._o reg_n 19_o job._n 42._o exod._n 32._o s._n hieron_n advers._n vigilantium_fw-la exod._n 32._o act._n 7._o ibid._n ca._n 27._o apoc._n 1â—_n matth._n 28._o saint_n able_a to_o help_v we_o by_o the_o participation_n of_o christ_n power_n apoc._n 3_o ibid._n 2._o ibid._n 1._o &_o 5._o sap._n 3â—_n psal._n 14â—_n matth._n 19_o luc._n â—2_n saints_n protector_n of_o man_n city_n &_o country_n see_v before_o nu_fw-la 18._o &_o 19_o the_o 1._o part_n of_o the_o treatise_n of_o policy_n &_o religion_n chap._n 15._o nu_fw-la 12.13.14.15.16.17.18_o &_o 27._o item_n 2_o par_fw-fr chap._n 24._o nu_fw-la 31._o apoc._n 5._o see_v sup_n nu_fw-la â—2_n two_o foolish_a exception_n take_v by_o m._n andrews_n to_o the_o cardinal_n allegation_n of_o the_o ancient_a father_n andr._n pag_n 35._o §._o de_fw-fr qua_fw-la dringentis_fw-la m._n andrews_n wrong_v his_o majesty_n the_o uniform_a consent_n of_o the_o father_n of_o the_o 4._o or_o 5._o age_n must_v needs_o be_v take_v for_o a_o evident_a testimony_n of_o the_o truth_n some_o one_o father_n of_o the_o 4._o and_o 5._o age_n have_v write_v more_o than_o all_o the_o father_n of_o the_o 3._o precedent_a age_n it_o be_v not_o possible_a that_o all_o the_o doctor_n &_o pastor_n of_o the_o church_n can_v err_v in_o any_o thing_n at_o any_o time_n and_o why_o matth._n 28._o ibid._n 16._o ephes._n 4._o pastor_n and_o doctor_n ordain_v by_o christ_n in_o his_o church_n to_o preserve_v it_o from_o error_n unto_o the_o world_n end_n if_o all_o the_o doctor_n of_o the_o church_n can_v err_v at_o any_o time_n the_o remedy_n be_v not_o effectual_a which_o god_n have_v ordain_v to_o preserve_v his_o church_n from_o error_n by_o they_o see_v sup_n chap._n 4._o nu_fw-la 36.37.38_o if_o these_o father_n can_v be_v hear_v or_o credit_v what_o other_o father_n will_v he_o desire_v see_v chap._n â—_o nu_fw-la 28._o &_o 66._o andr._n pag._n 6._o §._o tum_o the_o uniform_a consent_n of_o a_o few_o father_n be_v not_o contradict_v by_o the_o rest_n must_v needs_o be_v take_v for_o a_o general_n consent_n of_o the_o church_n iâ—_n their_o tyme._n see_v supra_fw-la nu_fw-la 33._o m._n andrwe_n confute_v by_o a_o example_n of_o his_o own_o fellow_n s_o augustine_n against_o julian_n the_o pelagian_n content_v himself_o with_o the_o testimoâ—nyes_n of_o six_o father_n s._n aug._n lib._n 1._o contra_fw-la julian._n cap._n 2._o deut._n 17._o andr._n ubi_fw-la supra_fw-la another_o vain_a evasion_n of_o m._n andrews_n answer_v bellar._n de_fw-fr beatit_fw-fr sanct._n lib._n 1._o cap._n 20._o cardinal_n bellarmine_n abuse_v by_o m._n andrews_n andrews_n see_v supra_fw-la nu_fw-la 12.13.14.15_o &_o 16._o m_o andrews_n presume_v to_o err_v not_o of_o ignorance_n but_o of_o malice_n s._n aug._n advers._n julian_n pela_n lib._n 2._o in_o epilogo_fw-la saint_n augustin_n word_n to_o a_o pelagian_n heretic_n fit_o apply_v to_o m._n andrews_n certain_a trifle_a objection_n of_o m._n andrews_n out_o of_o origen_n s._n cyril_n &_o s._n athanasius_n athanasius_n nazianz_n oratio_fw-la 1._o in_o julian._n julian._n s._n aug._n de_fw-fr civita_fw-la dei_fw-la lib._n 22._o cap._n 10._o 10._o theodoret_n de_fw-fr graecor_fw-la affect_v curate_n cap._n 8._o 8._o see_v chap._n 7._o nu_fw-la 35.36_o