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A86912 Truth cleared from reproaches and scandals, laid upon it by those, who goes by the name of judges, and who went the northern circuit. Also some examinations of those whom the world calls Quakers. Hunter, Cuthbert. 1654 (1654) Wing H3765; Thomason E821_7; ESTC R207367 9,854 16

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but not foul beast so that that was a lie The Iudge asked him how he could make it appear that he taught lyes Waters Mires answered in acting those things that Christ forbids in taking the chiefest place in the Assemblies being called of men Master and is a hireling which Christ cried woe against and in taking Tithe The Judge asked if he had any more to say or any for him Thomas Hutton answered he was a covetous hireling and took Tithe of those that had their children going a begging which Christ gave no such commission to those he sent forth but sent them forth without bag or scrip or two coates or a stick to defend them but freely they had received freely give this is the commission first and last that Jesus Christ gives to those he sends forth if any know of another let them speak but all was silent but the Judge said them which serve at the Altar should live by the Altar Thomas Hutton answered no other rule but what the Apostle saith If any man plant a Vineyard he may eat of the fruit thereof and all was silent Thomas Hutton was called to answer to the bill of Inditement laid against him by Thomas Shaw the Judge asked Shaw what witnesses he had he said James Chambers and my self and they swore that Thomas Hutton came while he was preaching and said he was a dtunkard and a liar whereupon the Judge asked if he made a disturbance in the Congregation the Priests man said yes many of the people went out with him and had more mind to hear him then to stay in the Church Whereupon the Judge asked Thomas Hutton how he could answer these things the Priest said my Lord my neighbours knowes I am no drunkard nor lyar Thomas Hutton answered I was moved of the Lord to cry against him for deceiving the people and in teaching lies which was as a fire in my bosome untill I had delivered it he made them believe this lie that the Steeple-house was holier than another place by his old form of prayer in saying how dreadfull is this place as if the Temple were up again which was a figure of Christ in his Saints and further that we may spend this sacred day in this sacred place and so deceives the simple in making them believe that a house of wood and stone is the Temple or the House of God which is a horrible lie and deceit the Judge said did not Christ preach in the Temple and whip out them that bought and sold Thomas Hutton said the Temple was a figure of Christ in his Saints which they witnesse him to whip out all sin so Steven went into the Temple and witnessed forth the Substance and told them that God that made the world and all things therein dwelt not in Temples made with hands And the Apostle saith yee are the Temples of the living God as God hath said I will dwell in you and walk in you And Christ told the woman that neither in this place nor at Ierusalem but they that worship the Father must worship in spirit and in truth And Thomas Shaw was telling the people that none could be perfect here and yet his Text was strive to make your calling and election sure whereupon Thomas Hutton told him before the people that election was perfect and whosoever witnesseth election witnesseth perfection yea sin and transgression finished The Judge said I wish we were perfect Thomas Hutton answered he that is born of God sinneth not but doth witnesse the birth to be perfect the Temple holy and the Kingdome pure and further Thomas Hutton told Thomas Shaw that he and the people sung lies to God in singing Davids conditions which they could not witnesse nor his Spirit the Judge answered hath not Psalmes been sung in the Churches of England continually Thomas Hutton said none ought to sing further than they can witnesse his condition And they asked him how he could prove Priest Shaw a drunkard Thomas Hutton answered he was drunk in sin in covetousnesse and pride taking Tithe of those that have their children goe a begging so the Iudge said we must goe on according to Law Thomas Curram was called to answer to the bill of Inditement laid against him by Thomas Shaw the Iudge asked Priest Shaw what witnesses he had the Priest said none but himself and James Chambers who said he could not remember what Thomas Curram said and yet afterwards he was called again and swore that Thomas Curram said come down thou lyar The Iudge asked Thomas Curram what he said to it Thomas answered he spoke no such words the Iudge said was you not there Tho. Curram said I was there the Iudge asked him what he did say Thomas answered and said he was a blind guide the Preist said Thomas wherein am I a blind guide Thomas answered God is to be worshipped in spirit and in truth but all thy preaching and praying and singing is in formes At the last Assizes holden at Apulby August the tenth I Henry Howsman was to appear about two fellowes there CAll Henry Howsman saith the Clark Henry Howsman of Lupton come near so I coming nearer the Officers cryed put of thy hat but I not regarding much one took it off and gave it me again so going into the nearer room before the bench I put it on again which caused many to cry out put it off and the Iudge began to be angry with me and some of them struck it off and the Iudge said he would teach me what I did in that place I said I was in the presence of God every day about my labours as well as then and my conscience told me that I did work and had my hat on before the Lord well saith the Iudge I know that and that I am no better than thou neither think better of my self but I must teach thee to give honour here hold him the book said they lay on your hand and be sworn saith the Iudge concerning these two men I am sworn to speak the truth alwayes and now also and that book saith swear not all well saith the Iudge that is in your Communications but when you are before Authority you must swear the truth to end controversie I said I did witnesse the life in measure that gave forth that book which would witnesse against me afterwards if I did not speak the truth as the Scripture saith I will be a swift witnesse against the false swearer and the false accuser saith the Iudge Fox tells you so he hath learned you that doctrine and I stood quiet and silent come saith the Iude lay on your hand and others cryed the same thing else the Iury cannot believe you I said I could not help it if they were unbelievers the Iudge said well friend if you will not you will forfit your Q●u nisants for you are tyed to prosecute the Law against these men I said I was as I heard done so I should