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Qvakers principles quaking, or, Pretended light proved darkness, and perfections found to be greatest imperfections in an answer to a written paper, subscribed with the name of Thomas Holme, and scattered through the country about Liverpool and Lancashire / modestly propounded by Ralph Hall ...
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Hall, Ralph.
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prov._n 3.9_o take_v heed_n how_o you_o dishonour_v he_o by_o give_v his_o good_n to_o his_o open_a enemy_n who_o uphold_v and_o maintain_v that_o which_o he_o have_v disannul_v and_o witness_v against_o for_o you_o that_o do_v so_o be_v unprofitable_a steward_n and_o he_o will_v call_v you_o to_o a_o account_n of_o your_o stewardship_n and_o he_o that_o be_v unjust_a in_o the_o least_o be_v also_o unjust_a in_o much_o luke_n 16.10_o 11._o and_o if_o you_o be_v not_o righteous_a in_o the_o unrighteous_a mammon_n who_o will_v commit_v to_o your_o trust_n the_o true_a riches_n and_o if_o you_o have_v not_o be_v faithful_a in_o that_o which_o be_v another_o man_n who_o shall_v give_v you_o that_o which_o be_v your_o own_o he_o that_o have_v a_o ear_n to_o hear_v let_v he_o hear_v and_o understand_v and_o if_o your_o priest_n will_v take_v tithe_n as_o they_o do_v in_o the_o time_n of_o the_o law_n see_v you_o do_v the_o office_n of_o the_o priest_n that_o take_v tithe_n they_o keep_v a_o storehouse_n and_o the_o widow_n and_o the_o fatherless_a and_o the_o stranger_n which_o be_v within_o the_o priest_n gate_n be_v feed_v and_o if_o they_o do_v thus_o they_o must_v own_v themselves_o to_o be_v minister_n of_o the_o law_n and_o not_o of_o the_o gospel_n and_o if_o they_o do_v not_o thus_o they_o rob_v the_o poor_a the_o fatherless_a the_o widow_n and_o stranger_n and_o neither_o be_v priest_n of_o the_o law_n nor_o gospel_n so_o from_o the_o law_n and_o gospel_n do_v we_o shut_v they_o who_o be_v neither_o in_o the_o step_n of_o they_o who_o be_v under_o the_o law_n nor_o in_o the_o step_n of_o christ_n minister_n who_o be_v the_o end_n of_o the_o law_n so_o from_o be_v minister_n of_o either_o law_n or_o gospel_n you_o have_v clear_v yourselves_o and_o shut_v yourselves_o out_o by_o your_o practice_n and_o thou_o priest_n fog_n of_o liverpool_n who_o say_v they_o that_o hold_v forth_o the_o way_n of_o perfection_n hold_v not_o the_o way_n of_o god_n but_o from_o under_o this_o thou_o can_v not_o get_v but_o under_o the_o condemnation_n must_v come_v for_o the_o way_n of_o god_n be_v perfect_a which_o way_n be_v jesus_n christ_n for_o say_v he_o i_o be_o the_o way_n the_o truth_n and_o the_o life_n no_o man_n come_v to_o the_o father_n but_o by_o i_o so_o thou_o that_o say_v the_o way_n of_o perfection_n be_v not_o the_o way_n of_o god_n be_v out_o of_o the_o way_n of_o god_n and_o thy_o condemnation_n thou_o must_v own_v so_o confess_v thy_o error_n to_o the_o people_n who_o have_v speak_v against_o christ_n who_o be_v the_o way_n of_o god_n and_o the_o way_n to_o god_n which_o way_n be_v perfect_a and_o endure_v for_o ever_o so_o for_o the_o simple_a one_o sake_n have_v i_o give_v this_o forth_o who_o be_v at_o the_o meeting_n and_o receive_v not_o satisfaction_n because_o of_o the_o disorder_n that_o day_n that_o they_o may_v come_v to_o see_v their_o teacher_n who_o have_v long_o deceive_v they_o take_v their_o good_n from_o they_o contrary_a to_o the_o law_n of_o god_n write_v in_o man_n heart_n so_o with_o the_o light_n which_o come_v from_o christ_n which_o convince_v you_o of_o sin_n shall_v you_o see_v they_o to_o be_v such_o as_o the_o prophet_n speak_v of_o and_o say_v put_v into_o their_o mouth_n and_o they_o cry_v peace_n peace_n but_o put_v not_o into_o their_o mouth_n and_o they_o prepare_v war_n against_o you_o mat._n 3.5_o and_o this_o be_v fulfil_v by_o many_o of_o the_o priest_n of_o england_n this_o day_n who_o sue_v many_o at_o the_o law_n and_o cast_v many_o into_o prison_n because_o they_o put_v not_o into_o their_o mouth_n so_o to_o the_o light_n of_o christ_n in_o you_o all_o take_v heed_n which_o be_v your_o way_n and_o teacher_n and_o from_o all_o false_a way_n and_o teacher_n do_v lead_v give_v forth_o by_o he_o who_o in_o scorn_n be_v call_v quaker_n thomas_n holme_n quaker_n principle_n quake_v friend_n and_o friend_n i_o have_v peruse_v your_o write_a paper_n direct_v to_o the_o priest_n as_o you_o be_v please_v to_o call_v they_o and_o people_n in_o and_o about_o walton_n and_o liverpool_n and_o you_o add_v in_o one_o clause_n of_o it_o that_o for_o the_o simple_n sake_n you_o send_v it_o forth_o it_o be_v my_o purpose_n that_o one_o of_o those_o simple_a one_o shall_v return_v you_o a_o answer_n and_o i_o humble_o beg_v upon_o the_o bend_a knee_n of_o my_o soul_n that_o the_o answer_n i_o shall_v return_v may_v be_v so_o full_a of_o gospel_n simplicity_n that_o god_n may_v have_v the_o glory_n my_o duty_n may_v be_v discharge_v and_o your_o judgement_n right_o inform_v and_o then_o i_o doubt_v not_o but_o some_o of_o you_o at_o least_o will_v consider_v from_o whence_o you_o be_v fall_v rev._n 3.3_o and_o repent_v and_o do_v your_o first_o work_n and_o so_o prevent_v the_o lord_n come_v against_o you_o in_o fury_n and_o in_o wrath_n for_o i_o serious_o profess_v i_o look_v upon_o it_o as_o a_o very_a dangerous_a piece_n to_o break_v ourselves_o off_o and_o rend_v ourselves_o from_o the_o church_n of_o god_n for_o as_o gen._n 9.1_o etc._n etc._n noah_n ark_n be_v a_o clear_a figure_n and_o type_n of_o the_o church_n of_o god_n so_o noah_n dove_n be_v a_o clear_a emblem_n of_o such_o as_o through_o affectation_n of_o new_a and_o unknown_a path_n do_v stray_v from_o the_o church_n of_o god_n and_o forsake_v the_o assembly_n of_o the_o saint_n as_o the_o manner_n of_o some_o be_v heb._n 10.25_o and_o i_o pray_v you_o observe_v with_o i_o what_o become_v of_o noah_n dove_n whilst_o she_o be_v out_o of_o the_o ark_n and_o you_o shall_v find_v she_o find_v no_o rest_n for_o the_o sole_a of_o her_o foot_n till_o she_o return_v to_o the_o ark_n gen._n 9.9_o and_o noah_n take_v she_o in_o again_o and_o let_v i_o tell_v you_o this_o scripture_n as_o well_o as_o other_o scripture_n rom._n 15.4_o be_v write_v for_o our_o learning_n consider_v what_o i_o say_v and_o the_o lord_n if_o it_o be_v his_o good_a pleasure_n give_v you_o understanding_n 2_o tim._n 2.7_o but_o before_o i_o come_v to_o the_o answer_n of_o your_o paper_n let_v i_o tell_v you_o at_o what_o i_o very_o much_o wonder_v viz._n that_o you_o shall_v make_v use_n of_o the_o scripture_n to_o prove_v what_o your_o delude_a fancy_n will_v hold_v forth_o and_o yet_o will_v not_o acknowledge_v they_o to_o be_v the_o word_n of_o god_n i_o know_v what_o you_o be_v ready_a to_o say_v viz._n that_o christ_n be_v the_o word_n and_o i_o through_o god_n mercy_n know_v it_o as_o well_o as_o you_o and_o be_o i_o bless_v god_n able_a in_o some_o measure_n to_o distinguish_v between_o the_o word_n of_o god_n and_o god_n the_o word_n yet_o let_v i_o tell_v you_o if_o i_o do_v not_o believe_v real_o that_o jesus_n christ_n and_o the_o scripture_n speak_v one_o and_o the_o same_o thing_n or_o that_o jesus_n christ_n the_o internal_a word_n and_o the_o bible_n or_o book_n of_o god_n the_o external_a word_n be_v both_o one_o i_o will_v as_o soon_o prove_v my_o tenant_n from_o the_o turkish_a alchoron_n as_o from_o the_o scripture_n which_o be_v blasphemy_n for_o i_o once_o to_o imagine_v and_o now_o to_o the_o answer_n of_o your_o paper_n in_o which_o i_o have_v observe_v and_o serious_o consider_v three_o thing_n 1._o from_o whence_o it_o come_v 2._o to_o who_o it_o be_v direct_v and_o 3._o the_o subject_a matter_n of_o it_o which_o indeed_o savour_v so_o much_o of_o rail_v and_o reproach_n than_o i_o dare_v not_o answer_v you_o in_o your_o own_o language_n lest_o i_o shall_v betray_v myself_o not_o to_o be_v guide_v by_o the_o spirit_n of_o god_n which_o be_v a_o spirit_n of_o meekness_n but_o to_o the_o first_o of_o these_o viz._n from_o whence_o it_o come_v i_o have_v only_o this_o one_o word_n to_o say_v viz._n it_o come_v from_o a_o people_n that_o i_o look_v upon_o as_o object_n of_o much_o pity_n not_o of_o envy_n a_o people_n that_o i_o have_v sometime_o be_v very_o intimate_a with_o at_o least_o some_o of_o you_o a_o people_n with_o who_o i_o have_v take_v sweet_a counsel_n when_o we_o have_v walk_v to_o the_o house_n of_o god_n together_o as_o friend_n a_o people_n that_o i_o have_v dear_o love_v with_o christian_a love_n a_o people_n that_o i_o have_v often_o pray_v with_o and_o shall_v not_o yet_o cease_v to_o pray_v for_o luk._n 10.20_o luk._n 15.4_o 5_o that_o as_o many_o of_o you_o as_o have_v your_o name_n write_v in_o heaven_n may_v be_v bring_v back_o upon_o the_o shoulder_n of_o god_n power_n to_o the_o fold_n of_o christ_n from_o whence_o you_o be_v go_v astray_o 1_o pet._n 2.25_o and_o thus_o much_o i_o be_o confident_a of_o with_o which_o i_o
conscience_n do_v at_o large_a resolve_v the_o great_a controversy_n about_o tithe_n and_o shall_v proceed_v to_o the_o other_o great_a query_n mention_v in_o your_o paper_n and_o so_o take_v leave_v with_o you_o and_o all_o of_o your_o opinion_n till_o you_o return_v again_o to_o the_o own_n of_o the_o truth_n of_o god_n lay_v down_o in_o the_o scripture_n and_o submit_v to_o order_n and_o break_v yourselves_o off_o from_o disorder_n and_o confusion_n which_o tend_v to_o every_o evil_a work_n jam._n 5.16_o and_o now_o to_o your_o second_o great_a question_n concerning_o perfection_n i_o must_v first_o lay_v down_o your_o own_o word_n and_o then_o answer_v they_o for_o i_o desire_v to_o be_v faithful_a and_o not_o to_o wrong_v you_o in_o a_o syllable_n your_o word_n be_v these_o and_o thou_o priest_n fog_n of_o liverpool_n who_o say_v they_o that_o hold_v forth_o the_o way_n of_o perfection_n hold_v not_o the_o way_n of_o god_n but_o from_o under_o this_o thou_o can_v not_o get_v but_o under_o the_o condemnation_n must_v come_v and_o your_o reason_n be_v annex_v viz._n for_o the_o way_n of_o god_n be_v perfect_a which_o way_n be_v jesus_n christ_n for_o say_v he_o i_o be_o the_o way_n the_o truth_n and_o the_o life_n no_o man_n come_v to_o the_o father_n but_o by_o i_o but_o before_o i_o come_v to_o the_o answer_n of_o this_o from_o under_o the_o just_a censure_n of_o false_a accusation_n you_o can_v get_v i_o use_v your_o own_o language_n for_o mr._n fog_n be_v far_o from_o deny_v the_o way_n of_o god_n to_o be_v perfect_a or_o from_o deny_v christ_n to_o be_v the_o way_n the_o truth_n and_o the_o life_n but_o his_o argument_n be_v that_o neither_o you_o nor_o any_o man_n nor_o woman_n upon_o earth_n have_v attain_v to_o perfection_n so_o as_o to_o be_v absolute_o perfect_a in_o this_o life_n and_o for_o all_o he_o bring_v in_o many_o pertinent_a scripture_n to_o make_v good_a what_o he_o say_v yet_o you_o stick_v not_o so_o far_o to_o abuse_v he_o that_o you_o bury_v they_o all_o in_o silence_n not_o mention_v one_o of_o they_o i_o can_v conceive_v why_o you_o shall_v do_v so_o unless_o it_o be_v your_o aim_n to_o hold_v he_o forth_o to_o the_o world_n to_o be_v so_o sottish_a that_o he_o can_v not_o make_v good_a his_o argument_n against_o you_o but_o bless_v be_v god_n there_o be_v many_o ear_n witness_v that_o day_n but_o have_v there_o be_v none_o but_o yourselves_o and_o that_o you_o shall_v make_v your_o boast_n thereof_o yet_o i_o be_o confident_a no_o man_n endow_v with_o reason_n will_v give_v credit_n to_o you_o in_o such_o a_o thing_n his_o ability_n be_v better_o know_v than_o your_o own_o i_o shall_v pass_v by_o that_o disorder_n that_o you_o true_o acknowledge_v be_v that_o day_n which_o be_v the_o occasion_n that_o many_o receive_v not_o satisfaction_n for_o in_o truth_n i_o know_v not_o how_o such_o a_o thing_n as_o order_n can_v be_v expect_v from_o a_o people_n that_o have_v cast_v off_o both_o order_n and_o decency_n 1_o cor._n 14.40_o i_o shall_v now_o proceed_v to_o the_o direct_a answer_n of_o your_o question_n viz._n whether_o perfection_n be_v attainable_a in_o this_o life_n yea_o or_o no_o you_o say_v it_o be_v i_o say_v it_o be_v not_o except_o we_o take_v along_o with_o we_o these_o follow_a limitation_n or_o as_o i_o may_v call_v they_o these_o step_n to_o or_o degree_n of_o perfection_n i_o shall_v for_o your_o and_o my_o own_o better_a understanding_n acknowledge_v four_o degree_n of_o pefection_n and_o acknowledge_v three_o of_o they_o attainable_a in_o this_o life_n and_o the_o four_o unattainable_a all_o which_o i_o shall_v by_o the_o assistance_n of_o god_n make_v clear_a by_o scripture_n and_o that_o very_o brief_o first_o there_o be_v a_o imputative_a perfection_n that_o be_v when_o the_o perfection_n of_o christ_n be_v impute_v to_o a_o man_n and_o this_o be_v doubtless_o job_n case_n he_o be_v a_o perfect_a man_n in_o god_n account_n job_n 1.8_o because_o god_n have_v in_o the_o eternal_a decree_n of_o his_o unchangeable_a love_n impute_v the_o perfection_n of_o christ_n to_o he_o he_o lay_v hold_v thereon_o by_o faith_n as_o it_o be_v write_v abraham_n believe_v god_n and_o it_o be_v impute_v to_o he_o for_o righteousness_n gen._n 15.6_o and_o rom._n 4.3_o which_o be_v all_o one_o with_o perfection_n for_o that_o man_n that_o be_v perfect_o righteous_a be_v a_o perfect_a man_n but_o there_o be_v none_o in_o himself_o and_o from_o himself_o righteous_a no_o not_o one_o rom._n 3.10_o there_o be_v none_o that_o do_v good_a no_o not_o one_o vers._n 12._o and_o therefore_o whoever_o thou_o be_v that_o boast_v of_o stand_v upon_o the_o foot_n of_o thy_o own_o perfection_n i_o say_v unto_o thou_o in_o the_o name_n of_o the_o lord_n if_o thou_o stand_v at_o all_o thou_o stand_v by_o faith_n be_v not_o high_o mind_v but_o fear_v rom._n 11.20_o second_o there_o be_v perfection_n in_o part_n this_o be_v it_o the_o apostle_n paul_n own_v 2_o cor._n 13_o 9_o 10._o for_o we_o know_v in_o part_n and_o prophesy_v in_o part_n but_o when_o that_o which_o be_v perfect_a be_v come_v then_o that_o which_o be_v imperfect_a shall_v be_v do_v away_o and_o if_o any_o ask_v when_o this_o shall_v be_v the_o same_o apostle_n make_v answer_v 1_o cor._n 15.54_o when_o this_o corruptible_a have_v put_v on_o incorruption_n and_o this_o mortal_a have_v put_v on_o immortality_n then_o shall_v be_v bring_v to_o pass_v the_o say_v that_o be_v write_v death_n be_v swallow_v up_o in_o victory_n hos._n 13.4_o for_o this_o corruptible_a must_v put_v on_o incorruption_n and_o this_o mortal_a must_v put_v on_o immortality_n and_o the_o same_o apostle_n speak_v of_o our_o body_n say_v it_o be_v sow_v in_o dishonour_n it_o be_v raise_v in_o glory_n it_o be_v sow_v in_o weakness_n it_o â—s_n raise_v in_o power_n it_o be_v sow_v a_o natural_a but_o be_v raise_v a_o spiritual_a body_n now_o tell_v i_o where_o be_v the_o spiritual_a body_n till_o it_o be_v raise_v from_o the_o dead_a but_o i_o believe_v and_o be_o full_o persuade_v that_o though_o my_o body_n be_v sow_v in_o death_n a_o vile_a body_n it_o shall_v in_o the_o resurrection_n be_v make_v like_o unto_o christ_n glorious_a body_n philip_n 3.21_o three_o there_o be_v a_o comparative_a perfection_n a_o man_n may_v be_v say_v to_o be_v a_o perfect_a man_n in_o comparison_n of_o other_o that_o have_v not_o receive_v the_o earnest_n of_o their_o inheritance_n and_o of_o such_o we_o read_v prov._n 12.26_o the_o righteous_a man_n be_v more_o excellent_a than_o his_o neighbour_n ephes._n 1.14_o and_o indeed_o it_o be_v true_a every_o godly_a man_n be_v more_o righteous_a more_o excellent_a and_o more_o perfect_a than_o his_o neighbour_n for_o none_o but_o the_o true_o godly_a walk_v before_o god_n in_o uprightness_n of_o heart_n and_o that_o man_n that_o have_v a_o upright_a and_o sincere_a heart_n be_v in_o god_n account_n a_o perfect_a man_n so_o noah_n and_o abraham_n be_v say_v to_o be_v perfect_a man_n gen._n 6.9_o and_o 17.1_o four_o and_o last_o there_o be_v a_o absolute_a perfection_n as_o i_o say_v before_o when_o we_o the_o member_n shall_v be_v make_v like_o christ_n our_o head_n col._n 1.18_o when_o we_o shall_v be_v glorify_v together_o with_o he_o rom._n 8.17_o when_o these_o vile_a body_n shall_v be_v make_v like_o unto_o his_o glorious_a body_n when_o all_o the_o remainder_n of_o corrupt_a nature_n shall_v be_v consume_v in_o god_n furnace_n i_o mean_v the_o grave_n but_o whilst_o we_o continue_v in_o the_o body_n we_o be_v say_v to_o be_v absent_a from_o the_o lord_n 2_o cor._n 5.8_o this_o absolute_a perfection_n than_o be_v not_o attainable_a here_o in_o this_o life_n which_o be_v the_o thing_n i_o be_o now_o to_o prove_v and_o by_o god_n assistance_n shall_v do_v it_o first_o by_o scripture_n second_o by_o undeniable_a argument_n and_o so_o draw_v to_o a_o conclusion_n and_o first_o for_o the_o first_o i_o may_v fill_v up_o much_o room_n with_o place_n that_o will_v speak_v full_o to_o this_o point_n but_o as_o our_o saviour_n say_v in_o the_o mouth_n of_o two_o or_o three_o witness_n every_o word_n shall_v be_v establish_v i_o shall_v bring_v in_o two_o or_o three_o which_o i_o hope_v may_v suffice_v and_o first_o job_n that_o be_v a_o perfect_a man_n in_o the_o sense_n i_o before_o mention_v viz._n in_o god_n account_n yet_o in_o your_o sense_n he_o utter_o disclaim_v it_o job_n 9.20_o if_o i_o justify_v myself_o my_o own_o mouth_n shall_v condemn_v i_o and_o after_o job_n have_v be_v as_o it_o be_v expostulate_v with_o god_n and_o plead_v his_o own_o innoâ—â—ncy_n and_o integrity_n and_o as_o it_o be_v god_n hard_a deal_n with_o he_o and_o have_v in_o the_o bitterness_n