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A91473 Independency accused by nine severall arguments: written by a godly learned minister, to a member of Mr. John Goodwins congregation, and acquitted by severall replyes to the said arguments by a member of the same church. In both which, sweetnesse of spirit, and soundnesse of arguments have been endeavoured. Published according to order. I. P. 1645 (1645) Wing P53A; Thomason E296_16; ESTC R200209 27,998 39

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the_o trial_n of_o doctrine_n before_o receive_v but_o the_o receive_n of_o doctrine_n if_o compel_v by_o authority_n before_o the_o trial_n thereof_o that_o make_v sect_n it_o be_v not_o the_o mutual_a bind_n of_o man_n together_o in_o the_o bond_n of_o love_n and_o the_o mutual_a engagement_n unto_o watch_n fullness_n instruction_n exhortation_n one_o unto_o another_o which_o the_o apostle_n prescribe_v as_o mean_n against_o man_n be_v toss_v up_o and_o down_o by_o every_o wind_n of_o doctrine_n ephes_n 4.14.15_o 16._o it_o be_v not_o these_o thing_n i_o say_v that_o make_v sect_n but_o the_o want_n of_o these_o thing_n it_o be_v true_a there_o be_v several_a sect_n that_o profess_v these_o way_n so_o there_o be_v several_a sect_n that_o profess_v the_o gospel_n and_o the_o protestant_a religion_n in_o so_o much_o that_o father_n say_v the_o devil_n be_v let_v loose_a when_o