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A89845 A publike discovery, of the open blindness of Babels builders, and their confused language, who have been building without, till they deny faith, knowledge and the Gospel light within, the law of the new covenant, and matter of the new creature. Plainly laid open in an answer to a book intituled A publike discovery of a secret deceipt, subscribed John Deacon, in behalf of some who pretend a call to the ministry. Wherein their first queries their replyes; their answers to my queries, and their last queries is answered, and their whole work laid open, and the end thereof with queries sent back, by them to be answered, that their boasting spirit may be farther revealed, & its blindness. Here is also some of their confusions taken out of the heap, and set by themselves to be seen, how they will stand in the eye of truth, where but the least measure of God is known. / By an enemy to deceit, but a friend to the creation, called James Naylor. Naylor, James, 1617?-1660. 1656 (1656) Wing N305; Thomason E870_2; ESTC R204793 29,385 50

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A Publike DISCOVERY OF THE OPEN BLINDNESS OF Babels Builders and their confused Language who have been Building without till they deny Faith Knowledge and the Gospel Light within the Law of the New Covenant and matter of the New Creature Plainly laid open in an Answer to a Book Intituled A Publike Discovery of a Secret Deceipt Subscribed John Deacon in behalf of some who pretend a Call to the Ministry Wherein their first Queries their Replyes their Answers to my Queries and their last Queries is answered and their whole Work laid open and the end thereof with Queries sent back by them to be answered that their boasting Spirit may be farther revealed its blindness Here is also some of their confusions taken out of the heap and set by themselves to be seen how they will stand in the eye of Truth where but the least measure of God is known By an enemy to deceit but a friend to the Creation called James Naylor The time is come that they who seek to kill us think they do God service and this do they because they know not the Father nor the Son London Printed for Gil●s C●lv●rt at the Black Spread-Eagle neer the West end of Paul 1656. An Answer to several Replies Answers and Queries subscribed JOHN DEACON AND seeing that when you come to speak for your manner of preaching and expounding in your 48. pag. and other parts of the Book your work goes on in the number of more then one saying an evidential command we have c. Therefore I must give an Answer to more then one and to such as pretend a call to the Ministery also so to you all I direct my Answer as followeth Quere 1. If every man that comes into the world have light in him sufficient to salvation how then do you say that I am in darkness for either you must grant your first or second Assertion to be false or prove me not come into the world or not born of a Woman Answer 1. The cause why thou art in darkness is because thou dost not believe and follow that light which is sufficient according to Christs words John 8. 12. For they that turn from the darkness to the light have the promise but the unbeliever is condemned in darkness yet is the light sufficient John 3. 15 16 17 18 19. Reply answered In this Reply though nothing said to disprove my Answer nor the Scriptures that proves it yet you vent what is in the vessel calling me a Deceiver a Wolfe and a Serpent but had not your rage overcome your wisdom you first would have proved me so before you had so called me but I have the less cause to be troubled seeing the Servant doth but share with his Lord. You that are not afraid to say as Satan is a Serpent so is Christ it s not like I should be counted any better by you Yet one thing I tell you that to say that Christ is a Serpent so as the Devil is is no less then Blasphemy and so it would have been accounted had any said it but who is free born in the Kingdom of the Murtherer 2. Quer. If that light be universal that is soul-saving shall all be saved yea or no Answ 2. All that believe shall but he that believeth not the light is his condemnation Iohn 3. 19. Reply answered In this you are angry that I should witness the light of Christ sufficient because all are not saved And for this I am accused to pretend a private light and for false doctrine but seeing it is no falser then that which Christ and his Apostles taught it matters not much of the judgement of the blind guide the way is not the worse so it be but proved to be right Iohn 8. 12. Saith Christ I am the light of the world he that follows me shall have the light of life And Iohn 12. 36. Saith Christ believe in the light that you may be the Children of light wherein Christ declares the light to be sufficient to all that will believe but of some he saith ye will not come to me that ye may have life Joh. 5. 40. and to such he saith your destruction is of your selves but doth not say his light is to blame or not sufficient but their unbelief And the Apostle saith the same Heb. 4. 2. For unto us was the Gospel preached as unto them but it did not profit them not being mixed with faith but saith we which have believed do enter but they to whom it was first preached entred not because of unbeliefe but doth not say the light of the Gospel is in that 's the Devil who blames the light of Christ to clear the unbelievers O what darkness hath covered the blind guide is there some light of Christ not sufficient Did ever any bear such a testimony of the true light that lighteth every one that comes into the world Ioh. 1. 9. you never came so far as Iohus Baptism who are witnesses against Iohn against Christ and his Apostles 3. Quer. If you say yea I quere farther How is it then that you say I am damned and where is the Reprobate Answ 3. Thou art damned by thy unbeliefe Ioh. 3. 18 19. And where Christ the light of the world is not known within but denyed there is the Reprobate 2. Cor. 13. 3. 5 Reply answered In this you swell high and call me lyar often if the first word may carry it but we will try the matter and turn the lyes to the lyar First you say that I say he is damned which thing you say in your first Quere to which I have but shewed him the cause why but never said by me otherwise then in answer to your own words Secondly you say I say he believes not which is another lye as you charge it to be my saying though in him true so take these two lyes back and go to the latter end of your Reply and there is a third where you say that I say Christ is in the Reprobates as well as Saints and yet your selves so stark blind in the same Reply charges me to abuse the Text in saying that where Christ is not known within there is the Reprobate which I own for truth 2 Cor. 13. 5. but that I abuse the Text therein is a fourth lye as the words shall witness who reads them So these four lyes being returned to the founders you have your Reply to my Answer yet to make And whereas you say the Sun cannot be hid I ●●y ●o all who reads your work and knows the Son risen I leave it to be judged if to you he be not set in obscurity and you Children of the night far darker then the Clouds Quer. 4. If this light ought onely to be minded and all external means utterly abolisht I Query wherefore you teach and to what end serveth the Scriptures which were for the making perfect the man of God 2 Tim. 3. 1 6 7. Answ 4.
in their heart which God shewed them c. Deal plainly a●d let people know how it now comes to be without and denied within as it is by you Prove your practice and judgement herein by plain Scripture 3. Answer and Reply In this Answer you charge me with two lyes first concerning Christ preaching the Kingdom of God within unbelievers and to prove that a lye you change that Scripture Luk. 17 21. which saith the Kingdom of God is within you to among you The second lye you charge me with is because I said the Apostle said that they came to the knowledge of God and his Glory by that light that shone in their hearts To which I say it s no lye for none ever came to the knowledge of God otherwise but by that spiritual light and that the Apostle said so 2 Cor. 4. 6. may testifie and that Scripture Rom. 1. 19. which saith that which may be known of God is manifest in them for God hath shewed it to them this you say cannot be the spirit of God or Christ thus being stark blind you utter your lyes and confusions without sahme and would cast them upon others but how should you believe the Kingdom of God within who say faith and knowledge is not within Quer. 4. Whether that new birth spoken of in the Scriptures be Christ within or some other thing and if not he then what is it and how people may know it by the letter without the light when they have Christ and when they have a spirit of delusion and whether the light of the spirit alone be sufficient without the letter to reveal the Son of God the Father and all Truth and judge of all spirits what soever without any addition to it 4. Answer and Reply In this Answer you run a wild chase telling of Adam and Eden much the like things which you know naught of and then you tell of the matter whereof the New Man is made and you say the Mind and Will of Man is the Matter to which I say that 's like all the New Man you know so the second Adam is made of the Mind and Will of the first The Saints had Christ formed in them which was their new birth but is he formed of the Will of Man the new birth of the Saints is not of the Will of Man nor of the Will of the Flesh but of God but your birth is of the Will of Man and such like babling stuff not worth mentioning after you but leaves the Quere unanswered only addes a lye in the conclusion that our spirit opposes the commands in the Letter Quer. 5. Whether the least measure of saving faith in Christ Jesus be not present power above the Devil and all the powers of darkness which if it be then what is the cause that men must be captivated to commit sin while they live Whether it is want of faith or that there is not power in faith to overcome the evil one or hath any faith in Christ farther then they haue power over sin and the world or is there any rest to a believer short of that power 5. Answer and Reply In your Answer to this Quere your whole work is to plead for sin and that the greatest fulness cannot except from actual sin and in the conclusion you render it as a dangerous thing lest they should fight against Gods Counsel and Determination as though God had determined actual sin yet dare not deny the Quere but say the least measure of faith in Christ is sufficient to keep from the dominion of sin as though sin had not dominion where it is acted and such like confused stuff you utter lest any should believe freedom from sin and you lose your Kingdome Quer. 6. Seeing you say the Scriptures is the ground of faith and that they who can read the Scriptures have power to believe as you did the last first day then I say can any believe who have not read or heard the Scriptures if yea then is not their faith without ground by your opinion or is there more grounds of faith then one or is the Scriptures Christ 6. Answer and Reply In stead of answering this you call me a lyar for telling you the truth the time and place where and when you did affirm that whereof I told you in my Quere and hundreds may witness it for which I then withstood thee and thy companions among whom it was spoken Quer. 7. Seeing you affirm that none can be Ministers of Christ but who are called of Man and are learned men whether was the Apostle Paul a true Minister who saith he was neither of man nor by man and what he preached was not after man Nor was it but by revelation Gal. 1. 2 11 12. Or was Peter John and the rest true Ministers who were unlearned and ignorant men Act. 4. 13. and what lets that God may not chuse such now 6. Answer and Reply This is answered like the former by denying what thou and thy companions did affirm at the Mouth before many witnesses and if thou said some and another other some and all was as one was it not affirmed by you but it s no new thing to say in words what you will deny when you should prove in writing but be●ng called lyar by thee is little matter so many knowing I speak truth Farther thou sayest I oppose Christs commands and bely his Institutions in general wh●ch are but two lyes more to the number Another lye you tell of God saying you dare boldly assert that God never did nor never will use any extraordinarie meanes to destroy the ordinarie I say was not the brazen Serpent outward Circumcision and Carnal Ordinances ordinary means and did he not by the extraordinary means of his spirit destroy these and if it thus befal that which he had commanded when they committed Idolatry therewith then what shall become of your Idol-worship such as he never commanded now at his spiritual appearing though the Heathen had bespoiled of their Idols yet down you must and the event will declare it Quer. 8. What eye is that which the God of this world hath blinded how he hath blinded it and how it is opened and by what and whether the Letter can open it yea or no 8. Answer and Reply This you excuse saying you have not read any such thing I say its a hard lesson for the blinde to read but that eye was Christ and his Ministers sent to open of which you are blinde and cannot read Quer. 9. Whether the true Ministery of Christ be the same now for matter means and maintenance that it was in Apostles time or when was it changed into great Livings Tythes and set Maintenance and by whom and in what must it now differ from these 9. Answer and Reply In this you have excluded all the Parish Ministerie in the Nation in that you say the Ministerie of Christ is the same now for matter