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Word A	Word B	Word C	Word D	Occurrence	Frequency Band	MI	MI Band	Prominent
truth_n	father_n	know_v	son_n	4,710	5	5.7013	4	true

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ID	Title	Author	Corrected Date of Publication (TCP Date of Publication)	STC	Words	Pages
A14057	A new dialogue vvherin is conteyned the examinatio[n] of the messe and of that kynde of priesthode, whych is ordeined to saye messe: and to offer vp for remyssyon of synne, the body and bloud of Christe agayne.	Turner, William, d. 1568.	1548 (1548)	STC 24363; ESTC S108032	34,102	104

taught not the messe ther in it foloweth that it is no partt of the trueth so not of god Because that ye thynke that Christ taught the churche some holsome doctrine that he taught not the Apostles I praye you whether shewed god the father his son Christ al truth and all doctrine necessary for a Christē man to knowe or no yf he dyd then the Apostles learned of Christe all truthe and euery necessary doctrine for a christen man For Christ sayeth Iohn xv I haue shewed you al thynges whyche I haue hearde of my father Yf that Christ hath not taught them al thynges necessary for a Christi man to know then were they vnperfit Christen men and in an euell case Yf Christ haue taught thē all truthe and they woulde not teache vs that agayn in theyr Epistles and Gosples they were both vnkind vnto vs disobedient persones to Christ whych cōmaunded them to teache vs all such thinges as he taught thē before but they were both kynde vnto vs and obedient vnto theyr mayster Christe Therefore they taughte in theyr wryttynges that ●s in the Epistles and Gospels al holsom doctrine and necessary for a Christen man to know Therfore the .ii. places which ye haue alleged out of Iohn make nothyng for the messe and suche other vnwrytten vanytes but declare the weakenes and imperfytnes of the Apostles whych wyth out the helpe of the holy ghost could neyther remēbre nor vnderstande after Christes resurrection such thinges as he had taught them before his passion But for a further tryall of the matter put the case that christ had taught the church after the apostles deathes certayn holsū doctrines whyche he had not taught the apostles in theyr tyme which thynge no christen mā wyl graunt yet it foloweth not that the messe should be that holsom necessary doctrine for it is cōtrary vnto the nature of God in whō falleth no vnconstancy to teach a cōtrary doctrine after his ascension vnto that which he taught before his passiō But the messe is clene cōtrary vnto the doctrine which he taught before his passiō and specially vnto thys Nemo uenit ad patrem nisi per me Nomā commeth vnto the father but throw me therfore Christ neuer taught the messe neyther before his ascēsiō nor after And where as ye allege that the church beleueth that the holy ghost reueled vnto the holy fathers the messe after the apostles time what churche meane ye of the Popes churche or of Christes true church Yf ye meane of the Popes church we wote howe muche credence oughte to be gyuen vnto the Popes lemman Yf ye meane of Christes true churche when ye saye that the true churche of Christe beleueth that the holy ghoste reueled the messe vnto the fathers and not to the Apostles eyther ye take violently away the Apostles from Christes true churche or elles lye shamfully in saiynge that Christes churche beleueth a thynge when as the pryncipall membres of Christes churche neyther doo nor dyd at any time beleue it Now haue I sufficiently proued that al that ye could hytherto bryng furth could not proue that the messe had any foūdatiō or ground of goddes word Nowe my lord iudge I reporte me vnto you whether the places which this mā hath rehersed be sufficiēt or no to proue that the messe is of god Palemon your places alleged out of Iohn make as much for the messe as thei do for the popes supremecy pilgrimage pardons purgatory any other such thing wherof is no mentiō made in holy scriptur Therfore ye must ether brīg furth someother scripture for your purpose or els graūt that the messe is not of God Porphiry We are not so sklenderly prouided but that we haue yet both scripture also reason wherewyth we shall be able to proue that the messe is of God Fyrste vnto you masters whyche accuse the messe I axe of you whether almyghty God requyreth in thys cōmaundemēt honor thy father and mother as well obedience of subiectes vnto magistrates and ruelers as he requyreth obedience of chyldren to theyr fathers and mothers knoweleg yes al a lyke Porphyry Then ar subiectes as wel boūde to obey the rulers commaundemētes as chyldren are bounde too obey theyr fathers and mothers commaūdementes knouueleg That do I graunt also Porphyry But the rulers haue cōmaūded all vs that be theyr subiectes to beleue that the Messe is of God and therfore to come vnto it therfore all mē are bounde in payne of dampnatiō to beleue that the messe is goddes ordynaunce and to come to it But least ye shoulde doubte that any magistrate hath commaunded the messe to be takē as the ordinaunce of God ye haue sene the daye youre selfe wyth in these .viii. yeres that he that woulde haue spokē agaynst the blessed messe should haue ben burned as a traytor to god bafelon to the kyng whych they would not haue done yf that they would not hauē had the messe to be taken for the very ordinaūce of God And I am sure that there are in Englande many inferior magistrates whyche are of that same mynde styll and commaunde at thys houre their inferiours to come to messe and commaunde them to beleue that it is of God How many Bishoppes and iustices of Peace are ther now in Englande whyche are not suche as I haue rehersed Therfore yf we be bounde to obey our polytike fathers we muste beleue that the messe is of god knouulege Wythin these .xx. yeres there haue ben some magistrates whyche haue commaunded theyr subyectes in peyne of death to beleue that the bishop of rome was heede of the churche Is not thys the cōmaundemēt euen now of the Emperour also of the Frenche kynge cōmaunde not these .ii. magistrates in payne of burning all mē to beleue that pilgrimag is good worshyppīg of images is an godly mōkery is holy kinde of lyfe Now I pray you ar al these .ii. magistrates subiectes boūde in payne of dampnatiō to beleue that the bishop of Rome is heed of the churche are they boūd to beleue the pilgrimage worshpping of images ar good gudli ar thei boūde to beleue the mōkery is a kinde of lyfe the pleaseth god are these subiectes bound to beleue any more thē is cōteyned in the crede in the expressed word of god answer I pray you ar al the Emperours subiectes the Frēche kinges subiectes boūde to beleue that the pope is the heed of the church that pardones pilgrimage mōkery be of god Phil. They ar not boūde to beleue that the pope is hed of the church neither the pilgrimag is of god Kno. Thē ar not al subiectes by the vertue of the fyrst cōmaūdemēt boūde to beleue what soeuer the rulers cōmaūde thē to beleue except it that they cōmaunde be cōteyned in the expressed word of god But ther is no mētiō made in the scripture of the messe therfore though the magistrate should cōmaūdemē to beleue that the messe