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A10699	A Catholicke conference betvveene Syr Tady Mac. Mareall a popish priest of VVaterforde, and Patricke Plaine a young student in Trinity Colledge by Dublin in Ireland VVherein is deliuered the certayne maner of execution that was vsed vpon a popish bishop, and a popish priest, that for seueral matters of treason were executed at Dublin the first of February, now last past. 16ll. Strange to be related, credible to be beleeued, and pleasant to bee perused. By Barnabe Rych, Gent. seruant to the Kinges most excellent Maiestie.	Rich, Barnabe, 1540?-1617.	1612 (1612)	STC 20981; ESTC S115901	41,203	61

blindly leade to your Romish captiuitie Ta. Doe you call them captiues that are drawne to our Catholicke Communitie whom we chearily feede and foster vp with the milke of our holy mother Church Pa. The milke that you feede withall is but Boyne Clubbo it is not the sweete milke that is drawne from the Gospell Ta. Doe you disproue that foode that is aswell approued by the Pope as by all the auncient doctors of the Church Pa. They must bee your owne doctors that must helpe you for I am sure the doctors and fathers of the Primitiue Church had little to doe with your religion Ta. And who be those that you terme to be our own doctors Pa. Who should they be but the pillers of your Church Bonauentura Occam Scotus Thomas Aquinas with an infinite number such other like that be of your popish rable Ta. Our religion is not so much propped vp by them as by the holy scriptures Pa. Prooue but that and I will promise you to goe to Masse three times a weeke Ta. Is it not proofe enough that hath beene confirmed by the Pope himselfe many hundred yeares agoe and all those confuted that haue sought to impugne it Pa. Your Pope confureth more by poysons and by treasons then he doth by arguments or by any other authoritie either of words or writings that are drawne from the holy Scriptures Ta. You may make as many cauels as you list but I say the successor of Peter cannot erre and therefore the church is safest when it is ruled by him for whose faith Christ hath prayed that it might not faile Pa. Are we come to that againe I haue already named you a Pope that hath erred and dyed an hereticke and I tell you yet againe that the diuines of Paris openly confuted the conclusiōs and articles of Iohn the 22. and got the same to bee condemned before Philipe King of France with the sound of Trumpets but in whose name will not he craftely set forth his errours which dare falsely set forth himselfe in the place of the Sonne of God And haue not some other of your Popes both corrupted and falsified Counsels Canons and Decrees and all to vpholde their pride Ta. Shew me but where such a pranke hath beene played and I will giue you the Bucklers Pa. Where it was decreed by the Counsell of Chalcedon that Constantinople should be aduanced in ecclesiasticall matters as farre forth as Rome they shamefully forged that Constantinople should not be aduanced so far forth as Rome a horrible corruption of a Counsell turning an affirmatiue to a negatiue Ta. And what can you make of that but Vitiūscriptoris an ouersight in the writer a matter easely ouerslipt Pa. These be your shamelesse shifts when matters bee apparantly proued against you but what haue your Romanistes left vncorrupted no not the holy Scriptures themselues and howe many bookes haue beene forged and foy sted in seuerall mens names some of them calling their owne dreames and fantazyes the Gospell of Thomas of Barthelmew and of Barnabe and what Epistles Canons and Decretalles haue beene published vnder the names of Clemens Cletus and Anacletus and of diuerse others well proued to be but forgeries And how many Monkes and Fryers seeking to coloure their fayned holinesse with the reuerent titles of auncient Fathers pre fixed the names of Augustine Ambrose Hierome Cyprian Isydore and of many others before diuerse of their owne fantasies and forgeries thereby prouiding to strengthen their kingdome of blindnesse and errour the which if by the wisedome of God had not beene playnely approued and manyfestly founde out wee might haue reuerenced a company of lousie Monkes Fryers vnder the names and titles of auncient and learned fathers Ta. Lette them answere for themselues that haue done these thinges and I beleeue if your owne mynisterie were well sifted we might find amongst them some that in their conuersation of life are not answerable to that semblance that they make when they be in the pulpite Pa. Haue you no better shiftes then these whereby to excuse your impieties let the world then iudge of your religion what it is that is thus propped vp with such counterfeit stuffe lyes fables dreames visions vnwritten verities and impossibilities Popery is a religion that can content it selfe with knowing vntruthes without further search to find out the truth Ta. They are but heretickes and schismytickes that will thus reporte our religion is approued by the Pope and who is fitter to decide of truth then hee that is the supreame heade of the Church Pa. And although that supreame authority were alowed which your Pope coulde yet neuer proue yet it will bee sayde that the right directions vnto the truth must bee discerned by the doctrine and not by the dignitie Ta. Then who shall bee iudge of this truth which you speake of Pa. God is truth and who shall be iudge of God Ta. That God is truth it cannot bee denyed but of matters in controuersie who shall be iudge of truth Pa. Who but he that shall iudge all at the last day and in the meane time he onely is the supreame iudge of truth The Father hath committed all iudgement to the Sonne and my iudgement is true saith Christ. Iohn 5. 8. Ta. But if the scriptures bee mistaken or misinterpreted who shall then giue censure but the Pope Pa. This strife sayeth Saint Augustine requireth a Iudge Iudicet ergo Christus Let Christ be Iudge and Optatus writing of the same matter sayeth There can be no Iudgement we must seeke for a Iudge from heauen but why knocke we at heauen when we haue his will here in the Gospell And we are further taught in the Gospell it selfe They haue Moses and the Prophets let them heare them Ta. You are loath I perceiue that the Pope shoulde bee your iudge yet when he speaketh truth I hope you wil vouchsafe him audience Pa. No doubt but so long as he speaketh truth wee will both heare him and beleeue him and so we would do by Balams Asse Ta. Then you will beleeue nothing for truth but what you finde testified by the scriptures Pa. Nothing else but what the scripture doth approue for your Mongrell Monkes and Fryers haue so corrupted and counterfeyted the auncient fathers that wee dare trust nothing but what is concordant and agreeing with the scriptures Ta. But doe you not finde it testified that there were manie things done by Christ that were not written Pa. And yet a very foolish presumption to impugne thinges that are written vppon supposall of those things that are vnwritten and Basyle giueth vs a caueat in the matter It is a manifest fall from faith and a sinne that argueth infinite pride eyther to leaue that which is written or to admit of that which is not written Ta. This common frequent that is had to the scriptures by euery ignorant man hath opened the gap to all kind of diuision of heresies schismes sects and disorders Pa. By

the country that was neare about it why then the Chayre of Moses which Christ here spake of was nothing else but the doctrine of Moses which hee hadde formerly taught and left vnto them and which Christ in this place willed his Disciples to heare and likewise to followe what the Scribes and Pharises sayd and taught but not to doe as they did to followe their sayinges but not their doinges euen so likewise Peters Seate Peters Keyes and Peters doctrine are all one and the selfe same thing but this doctrine of the preaching of the Gospell your Pope hath abolished at Rome and in the place thereof hee hath set vp the preaching of his owne lawes of his owne decrees and of his owne traditions and therefore he sitteth not on the seat of Peter but in the Seate of Antichrist in the Chayre of pestilence and for Peters comming to Rome it can doe your Pope no good at all he may well bragge a little of the matter but it will not serue his turne Ta. Thus you would conclude that Saint Peters seate consisted in nothing more then in the preaching of the Gospell And by this you woulde depriue him not onely of his Patrimony but also of his Dignity Saint Peter is little beholding to Protestants for of him that was called the Prince of the Apostles they would make him to be but Minimus Apostolorum but if to preach the Gospell be to sit in Peters Seate was it not Peter to whom Christ especially recommended the feeding of his flocke And what is meant by the feeding of the sheepe but the preaching of the word and ministring of the sacraments which as it was commended to Peter especially so it remaineth a precept for euer to the Popes that are his successors And was it not to Peter againe to whom Christ sayd I haue prayd for thee Peter that thy faith might not fayle what malitious impietie then in Protestantes to spurne against that Principality that Christ himselfe hath confirmed not onely to Peter himselfe but to the rest that bee his successors in the holy sea of Rome Pa. First for this prioritie that papistes would so faine ascribe to Peter aboue the rest of the Apostles I say our Sauiour Christ hath long sithens determined when in the 10. of Saint Markes Gospell hee told them that there shoulde bee no precedencie amongst them nor the one to bee accounted more worthy then the other and therefore flatly decreed betweene them that hee that would aspire to be greatest the same should be least now for Saint Peter esteeme him as you please choose how you will account him to be either Maximus or Minimus But what blockishnes is in papists to thinke that because Christ commanded Peter to feede his flocke that this precept therefore was giuen but to Peter himselfe as though that commandement to feede the flocke of Christ did not belong as farre foorth to all the Apostles as it did to Peter I will tell you Syr Tady there is not so simple a minister in the Church of God that hath cure of soules but according to his measure is as straightly tyed to the feeding of Christes flocke as euer was any Pope of Rome or as Peter or as Paul or as any other of the twelue Apostles And now for your Popes that you say are successours vnto Peter if wee shoulde looke into the foode what it is they haue distributed and consider of the diligence they haue vsed in performing this precept thus left vnto Peter we should find that in feeding the sheepe they haue poysoned the pasture they haue infected corrupted it with the venemous leauen of their owne lawes and traditions and in stead of giuing foode they haue fleeced the flocke they haue made a shambles of the sheepe haue murthered and massacred the innocent lambes such hauocke your Popes haue kept amongst the Saintes of God and yet they would be accounted to be Peters successors but what a counterfeit Hypocrite is your Pope that vnder a shew of humility will professe himselfe to be Seruus seruorum and yet will take vpon him to controule and dominere ouer Emperours and Kinges and because Christ hath sayd I haue prayd for thee Peter that thy faith shoulde not fayle therefore say the papistes the Pope cannot erre thus they doe wrest and wrythe holy scriptures to serue their fleshly appetites and as for Saint Peters Patrimonie Saint Peters Seate Saint Peters Keyes Saint Peters Power Saint Peters Authoritie yea and Saint Peter himselfe they are all made props and supporters to vphold the Popes pride Ta. Why how now Patricke what art thou out of thy wittes wilt thou impugne saint Peters authority or wilt thou denie that he hath absolute power both to bind and to loose either in heauen or in earth as Christ himselfe hath giuen and warranted vnto him Pa. I denie him nothing but that he had full power and authority by the preaching of the Gospel both to bind to loose to open and to shut and to doe all thinges in as large and ample maner as eyther Iames or Iohn Philip or Bartholomew or any other of the Apostles whom our Sauiour himselfe after his resurrection armed with equall authority when in the 20. of Iohn he sent them into the world to preach to all nations Ta. Thus I perceiue you can be contented that Peter shoulde march with the rest of the Apostles in equall ranke but you will not admit him any supreame authority Pa. If you can alleadge but any one place of scripture that doth giue vnto Peter any more then the rest you shall finde me apt enough to acknowledge it Ta. Is not this confirmation enough when Peter is the rocke whereon Christ himselfe said he would build his Church Pa. I wonder papistes are not ashamed to vrge that place of scripture so grossely Peter acknowledging Christ to be the sonne of God our Sauiour answered Vppon thisrocke I will builde my Church the Pope would haue the rocke to bee Peter himselfe whereon Christ promised to build his Church when indeede it was the faith of Peter confessing Christ to bee the sonne of God for faith is the rocke whereon Christes Church is built for who is of Christes Church but he onely that beleeueth Christ to bee the sonne of God this faith is it against which the gates of Hel cannot preuaile Ta. What malicious despight is this to depriue Saint Peter of his principalitie giue him some preheminence for shame if it be but because he was the first amongst the Apostles that confessed Christ to be the sonne of God Pa. It is truth Peter was the first amongst the Apostles that confessed Christ to be the sonne of God and so he was the first againe that denyed his master neither doe wee seeke to depryue that blessed Apostle of any pryoritie that the word of God doth allowe him but rather to curtall your Idolatrous Pope who by magnifiyng of Peter woulde thereby exalt himselfe Peters

were two bookes first written by Iustus Lypsius wherin he deliuered the Myracles that were performed by our Lady of Hall and by our Lady of Sichem and for this booke intituled The great I heater of the Iesuites honour written by Bonarscius in the defence of Lypsius it hath beene thrice printed within these foure or fiue yeares now last past twice at Antiwarpe and once at Paris with alowance and authoritie in both places and for the better approbation of the matter one other learned father Possiuine a thirde Iesuite who in his Apparatus sacer hath giuen notice to the world that Lypsius did publish such awo●ke and giues him speciall commendations for his paynes taking in the Catholicke cause who would thinke now that these bookes could be thus published without controlment but that they are warranted by our holy father himselfe and by the whol Church of Rome for vndoubted truthes But what need I trauell to fetch home myracles from beyond the seas when Ireland it selfe doth so plentifully afforde them that in euery quarter of the Realme What Myracles are continually wrought at Saint Patrickes purgatory at the Holy Crosse at Saint Sondayes well and doth not all the north of Ireland admire the Myracles that haue bin wrought by Saint Colume Kell But let me drawe somewhat neare to your Colledge it selfe are you not eye witnesses howe euery 17. of March what flocking there is of men women and children to that same holy sanctified poole Saynt Patrickes well I hope you doe not thinke the wholl multitude that doe so yearely frequent the place to bee starke mad to come running thither so thicke if they did not finde somesanctitie in the water I warrant you they are not so arrant fooles as a nūber of those that do vse to take Tabacco that wil be stil stuffing thēselues with smoak but vpō a vaine conceit But is not this a miracle especially to be admired to see so many women Tauerne keepers that for conscience sake wil eate no flesh on Frydaies that some of them do not ride in a Cart on Saturdayes Pa. Syr Tady if these myracles bee any confirmation to your Romish religion I could furnish your store with such like as for the reuerence of the Reader I shame and for the honour of God I feare to speake of But this is a myracle in our eyes to see that the papistes should affye themselues in a religion that is but propped vp with such stuffe as this we do asmuch wōder to see their blindnes that wil be drawne from the truth of Gods word to beleeue such grosse and palpable follyes lyes fables and fantazies of their owne deuising but that the Apostle hath giuen vs this caueat And therefore God shall send them strong delusions that they should beleeue Lyes that all they might be damned which beteeued not the truth but had pleasure in vnrighteousnes 2. Thes 2. Ta. Do you callthese fables lyes fantasies I cannot tell what that are thus fortified and confirmed vnder these authorities Pa. I say we may boldly pronounce your Romish religion to bee accursed that would bring that blessed Virgin in comparison with God and Iesus Christ thereby eclipsing the glory of Gods mercy and the worthines of Christes satisfaction Ta. If you fall a cursing of those that doe giue honour to the Queene of heauen her selfe what will you pronounce against those that doe both honour and worshippe to the Image of our Lady Pa. Doe not you thinke that the worshipping of Images is flat Idolatry Ta. Yes if you meane the worshipping of the Idoles of the heathen Pa. I meane the Images of the virgin Mary of Peter of Paul or of Christ himselfe Ta. Doe you call the Image of Christ an Idoll Pa. If it be worshipped it is an Idoll and the burning of Incense vnto it is flat Idolatry Ta. Dare any damned hereticke auouch this Pa. It is approued by the second commandement Thou shalt not make to thy selfe any grauen Image nor the likenes of any thing that is in heauen aboue or in the earth beneath Ta. But doth this precept touch the Image of Christ or our blessed Lady Pa. It toucheth any thing that is made with handes that is worshipped bowed or kneeled vnto Ta. This can not bee vnderstoode of the Image of the true God for if the Images of Princes may be reuerenced and no Idolatry committed much more the Image of God Pa. Earthly similitudes of mans owne making must not controle the heauenly preceptes of Gods owne giuing the Images of Princes of those meaner personages may well bee tollerated and yet to bowe the knee to lift vp the hand or to doe worshipp to such an Image there is no doubt but it were Idolatry God hath commaunded and that directly that no grauen Image should be made now if any grauen Image of God might be worshipped why might it not bee made since it cannot bee worshipped before it bee made Ta. O monstrous abhomination what an heresie is this that the Image of the true God should be accounted for an Idoll Pa. The Image of the true God being made with handes is a false God and no likenes of his but a lewde and a foolish imagination of those that would so imagine it for what resemblance hath a dead stocke or a stone fashioned like a man and painted or gilded ouer to the glorious inuisible and infinite maiesty of the euer liuing God and how dare any man defend the worshipper of such an Image when God himselfe hath accursed the maker Ta. Idolatries be those when they be done to the Images thēselues but our worshippings are not such for wee worshippe not the earthly matter or shape but rather the things that are represented by them Pa. So did the Israelites when they set vpp the golden Calfe to testifie their thankfullnes for their deliuerance out of Egypt they erected an Image vnto God their deliuerer and proclaymed a holy day not to the Calfe but to the Lord. Ta. May we not giue some reuerence to the Image of Christ though he be in heauen aswell as you do to the Thrones and Letters of Princes when themselues be not present Pa. What grosser Idolatry may be committed if wee may not worship the creatures thēselues that are the workes of Gods handes and yet will adore and worship those Images and Idols that are but the workes of mens handes Ta. Is is not acceptable vnto GOD to haue the shape of his Sonne alwayes before our eyes that we may the rather honour him in our hearts Pa. And sith without Images we must remember the Father that made vs which cannot be resembled to any similitude why should we forget the Sonne that hath redeemed vs but wee must haue an Image at our elbowe to put vs in remembrance Ta. It is testified that the Apostles themselues did both make and worshippe Images Pa. It had neede be a stronge testimonye that should confirme that for a certayne