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A52371 No popery, or, A catechism against popery wherein the heretical doctrins, idolatrous worship, and superstitious practices of the Roman Church are briefly yet plainly refuted, and the Protestant principles proved by testimonies of Holy Scripture, and evidence of reason / by a minister of the Gospell. Minister of the Gospell. 1682 (1682) Wing N1187; ESTC R19866 57,846 152

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What think you of Stripes and Pilgrimages and such voluntary works by which the Roman Church think they make satisfaction to the Justice of God A. Not only that they cannot satisfie Gods Justice but that they deserve punishment because they are Superstitious Traditions of men and of which it shall be said Who hath required these things at your hands Q. What say you to the Counsel that Daniel gave Nebucadnezar to redeem his sins by Alms Dan. 4.27 A. That he doth not mean that the Alms of Nebucadnezar could be the price of his Redemption but that he would change his life in the presence of God and make up the time spent in unjustice and extortions by a serious amendment of life and giving liberally Alms to the poor and that in so doing God would be propitious to him who according to his mercy to repenting sinners hath promised Ezech. 18.21 22. That if the wicked turn from his sins they shall not be mentioned unto him and the word Translated by some Redeem signifies to break to tear and undoe what hath been done Q. If by our Works we cannot make satisfaction for our selves than we can far less do it for others A. That is certain therefore the Apostle Galat. 6.5 tells us That every man shall bear his own burthen and 2 Cor. 5.10 That we must all appear before the Judgment Seat of Christ that every one may receive the things done in his Body according that he hath done whether it be good or bad Q. Yet Colos 1.24 St. Paul tells us That he fills up that which is behind of the afflictions of Christ in his Flesh for his Body sake which is the Church A. St. Paul saying for his Body which is the Church answers this objection for this shews us that besides Jesus Christs Natural Body whose sufferings were accomplished on the Cross when he said it is finished John 19.30 he hath a Mystical Body viz. the Church whose Afflictions and Sufferings are called Sufferings of Christ because of the near Union with Christ who looks upon that which is done to any of his as done to himself Matth. 25.40 and who cried from Heaven to Saul who Persecuted the Churches Act. 9.41 Saul Saul why persecutest thou me and St. Paul saying that he suffered for his Body which is the Church doth not mean for her Redemption but for her Example and Edification SECT XVII If the Sufferings of Christ were accomplished on the Cross Quest YOur saying that the Sufferings of Jesus Christ were accomplished on the Cross seems to contradict that which they say you Teach of Christ's descending into Hell that the Soul of Jesus Christ did locally descend into Hell after his death and was tormented with the Devils till his Resurrection A. This Accusation is an impudent Calumny invented by the Monks to make us odious to the people for on the contrary we have always Taught that the Sufferings of Jesus Christ were finished in his death and we overthrow the Doctrine of Purgatory and of Limbo's and Christ's Local Descension into Hell by his own words to the Converted Thief upon the Cross Luke 23.43 This day thou shalt be with me in Paradise which words shew that his Soul was with our Saviours in Paradise that same day Q. What hath given occasion to this Calumny A. An Evangelical Doctrine plainly taught in the Word of God that Jesus Christ suffer'd not only in his Body but likewise in his Soul having been extreamly afflicted and grieved therein which made him sweat drops of blood Luke 22.44 and to say Matth. 26.38 My Soul is exceeding sorrowful even unto death and upon the Cross Why hast thou forsaken me Matth. 27.46 Which also was very necessary for our Redemption for he being the Redeemer of our Souls as well as of our Bodies it was necessary he should suffer for us in his Soul as well as in his Body Q. Yet it will seem no Calumny to say That you Teach that Jesus hath been damned for these words are found in one of your Catechisms viz. in the French Section 10. How could Jesus be in such damnation A. The Author of that Catechism by that word damnation meaneth nothing but condemnation according to the primitive signification of the word and the word such which is added to that of damnation fully justifies that for being a relative word it must needs design the damnation spoken of before which is such as all Christians grant Jesus Christ hath suffered viz. That he drunk the Cup of the Wrath of God for Sin and suffered the Punishment that Sinners had merited and afterward the same Author explains himself so clearly that without much Malice he cannot be accused of teaching that Jesus Christ suffered the Punishment of the damned in Hell with the Devils for he put this difference betwixt Jesus Christs Suffering and the Wickeds Sufferings that the wicked continued therein but that the Anguish which Christ suffered was but a Sting for to prick him and that the wicked despair and are angry against God and blaspheme him whereas Jesus Christ never ceased to hope always in God in the midst of his distress SECT XVIII Of Pilgrimages Quest IS it lawful to go in Devotion to the Images and Relicks of Saints to be cured of any Distemper or for good success in our undertaking A. No For this is to leave the Creator and go to the Creature whereas we ought to have recourse to God only for Grace to help us in time of need Heb. 4.16 And the mercy of God being extended to all Nations he is not more accessible in one place than in another as Christ says to the Samaritan upon the contest between them and the Jews about the place of Worship which the one would have to be in Jerusalem the others in Mount Garizim John 4.21 23. Woman believe me the hour cometh when ye shall neither in this mountain nor yet at Jerusalem worship the Father but the true worshipers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth SECT XIX Of Monkish Vows and first of that of a Single Life Quest MAy one lawfully Vow a single life to God A. No For a single life is only fit for those that have the gift of Continence for those that have it not God commands to Marry 1 Cor. 7.9 If they cannot contain let them marry for it is better to marry than to burn Q. But may not perpetual Continency be Vowed to God A. No For it is the gift of God and not in our power St. Paul speaking of this gift 1. Cor. 7.7 says I would that all men were even as I my self but every man hath his proper gift of God one after this manner another after that Q. Who are then they that make themseves Eunuches for the Kingdom of Heaven Matth. 19.12 A. Those that finding that God hath granted them this gift have taken up a firm resolution in themselves to abstain from Marriage that they may serve God
we have an Advocate with the Father even Jesus Christ the Righteous 1 John 2.1 And Jesus Christ says John 14.6 I am the way the truth and the life no man cometh to the Father but by me Q. But may not Saints and Angels be also Mediators A. No For St. Paul says 1 Tim. 2.5 There is one God and one Mediator between God and men the man Jesus Christ Q. This passage seems to be altered for in the Greek it is There is one Mediator and not one only Mediator A. The Greek word as in this Context signifies one only as also Ephesians 4.4 5 6. And they of the Roman Church in the Louvain Version have turned it so in the next Chapter Verse 2. That a Bishop must be the Husband of one Wife they have it of one only and it is clear that in that place it should be taken so for the Apostle would have us to understand that there is one Mediator as there is one God now there is but one only God there is therefore also but one only Mediator Q. It is true there is but one Mediator for redemption but there may be more for Intercession A. Not as Intercessor is to be understood in this question for one who can procure us the favour of God by his own Merit and Intercession and so those of the Roman Church understand the word when they pray God in the Mass to hear them for the Merits of the Saints whose Relicks are under the Altar Now there can be no such Intercessor but Jesus Christ only who alone hath reconciled us to God by his blood and is the only Advocate and Propitiation for our sins 1 John 2.2 And it is in this beloved that God accepteth us Eph. 1.6 Q. Why may not glorified Saints Pray to God in Heaven for us as well as Believers Pray for one another on the Earth have they less Knowledge and Charity in Heaven then they had on Earth A. Glorified Saints may pray for the Church in general but not for particular Believers not for want of Charity but for want of knowledge of the persons and their necessities for though their knowledge be much more perfect because of their seeing God yet have they no more communication with Believers here on Earth as it hath been said before that they have no more portion for ever in any thing that is done under the Sun Q. But is it not expedient at least to make use of the Intercession of Saints to go to Jesus Christ for us A. No For he commands us to come to himself Matth. 11.28 Come unto me all ye that labour and are heavy laden SECT XIII Of Images Quest IS It not lawful to make Images of God A. No for the Prophet Isaiah sheweth us that God cannot be represented Chap. 40. Vers 18. To whom will ye liken God or what Likeness will ye compare unto him And Deut. 4.15 Moses speaketh to the Israelites saying Take ye heed unto your selves for ye saw no manner of Similitude on the day that the Lord spake unto you in Horeb out of the midst of the fire 16. Lest ye corrupt your selves and make you a Graven Image the similitude of any Figure the likeness of Male or Female Q. Nevertheless God hath often appeared to Believers under the Old Testament in humane shape as to Abraham and Lot Gen. 18. 19. A. Extraordinary Appearances of God are not to be the Rule of our Actions but his Commands and though God appeared in Humane Likeness yet the Church of Israel never made any such Representation of him Q. Is it lawful to make Images of Saints and give to them any Religious Worship or Honour A. No for God hath forbidden us to bow down before any Image whatsoever in his second Gommandment Thou shalt not make unto thee any Graven Image nor the likeness of any thing that is in Heaven above or in the Earth beneath Thou shalt not bow down to them nor serve them Q. This word should he translated Idol and not Image for God forbids there only the Pagan Idols which did represent false Gods and not Images of Saints A. Images both of Saints and Angels are forbidden for he forbiddeth to make any Likeness of any thing that is in Heaven Q. Why then did God command to put Cherubims upon the Ark and in the Tabernacle which did represent Angels A That was a Command of the Ceremonial Law which since hath been abolished by Jesus Christ but the forbidding to worship Images is a Command of the Moral Law which is eternal and indispensable Besides they were not put there to be worshipped by the people for there were two Veils between the people and them so that the people could not see them and there was moreover an express Command to make Cherubins whereas there is none to make Images of Saints and to put them into the Church Q. Is it lawful to worship the Relicks of Sainis A. No We should have a respect unto the Sepulchres of the Saints and Martyrs since their Bodies have been the Temples of the Holy Ghost but to give them any Religious Worship is to leave the living God to serve dead Idols And God hid the body of Moses lest the people of Israel should have committed Idolatry with it Deut. 34.6 SECT XIV Concerning Praying for the Dead Quest MVst we pray for the Dead A. No Because we have neither Command nor Example in the Word of God and since the Scripture speaks only of two places Heaven for the Righteous and Hell for the Wicked our Prayers cannot draw the Wicked out of Hell for their Torments are to be Eternal nor can they add to the Happiness of those in Heaven because it is already Compleat Q. Yet we have an Example in the 12th Chapter of the 2d Book of the Maccabees where Juda and his Men prayed for their Brethren which were slain and under whose Garmen●● were found things consecrated to Idols that their sin might be pardoned A This Book is not Canonical nor was ever acknowledged as such by the Church of the Jews and there were many Superstitions sliden in among the Jews in the time of the Maccabees so their Practice cannot be an Example to be followed neither did they pray that they might be delivered out of Purgatory but that they might be happy at the Resurrection as it appears from Vers 44. SECT XV. Of Purgatory Quest DO You believe that after this Life the Souls of all Believers go to the fire of Purgatory for many years to be tormented that they may be purged and cleansed from their sins A. No For the Scripture speaking of the Condition of Believers after this Life tells us Isa 57.1 That the Righteous is taken away from the Evil to come and shell enter into Peace and Rev. 14.13 that Blessed are the Dead that die in the Lord from henceforth yea said the Spirit that they may rest from their Labours and their Works do