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A10240 A rejoynder unto William Malone's reply to the first article Wherein the founders of unwritten traditions are confounded, out of the sure foundation of Scripture, and the true tradition of the Church. By Roger Puttocke, minister of Gods word at Novan. Puttock, Roger. 1632 (1632) STC 20520; ESTC S100925 167,226 214

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therefore_o though_o they_o be_v glorious_a thing_n in_o your_o eye_n they_o be_v not_o holy_a that_o of_o origen_n which_o the_o jesuite_n allege_v concern_v the_o baptise_n of_o child_n that_o it_o be_v a_o tradition_n from_o the_o apostle_n be_v 11._o be_v sect._n 4._o divis_fw-la 11._o former_o answer_v hippolytus_n the_o martyr_n in_o his_o three_o homily_n against_o the_o heresy_n of_o noetus_n there_o be_v one_o god_n who_o we_o do_v not_o otherwise_o answer_n answer_n acknowledge_v but_o out_o of_o the_o holy_a scripture_n for_o as_o he_o that_o will_v profess_v the_o wisdom_n of_o this_o world_n can_v otherwise_o attain_v hereunto_o unless_o he_o read_v the_o doctrine_n of_o the_o philosopher_n s●_n whosoever_o of_o we_o will_v exercise_v piety_n towards_o god_n can_v learn_v this_o elsewhere_o but_o out_o of_o the_o holy_a scripture_n etc._n etc._n all_o this_o run_v upon_o the_o same_o strain_n with_o that_o which_o 13●_n reply_v pag._n 13●_n you_o even_o now_o produce_v 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