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A20505 A discourse vppon a question of the estate of this time. Faithfully translated out of French by E.A. Aggas, Edward. 1591 (1591) STC 6910; ESTC S118984 10,741 18

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which I leaue to the discretion of those that list more déepely to penetrate thereinto I wil procéede to intreat of the profit and commoditie that may redound to al christendome so long as the king standeth fast in the declarations which he hath published both before and since his comming to the crowne for matter of conscience and religion wherein he alwayes submitted him selfe to the determination of a generall or nationall councell The king is not alone in this realme of his religion there are but ouer many instructed therein that do professe the same Neither in this realme alone are there many withdrawen from the Romish Church but also in England Scotland Denmarke Sweden Poleland Germany Switzerland and other places being more then halfe christendome What way therfore do ye thinke to be best to reclaime al these nations to the obedience of the cath apost Romish church whether war or a frée generall councell Inquisitions fires gibbets murders warres battels fiege of townes leagues conuenticles slaughters assaults poysonings in briefe all other meanes and subtilities in the worlde that these 30. yeres could be practised to the great desolation and detriment of al christendome but especially of this realme haue as yet nothing preuailed Only they haue made a number of Atheists Libertines and Epicures contemners of God his word and church we haue found these medicines to be no fitter to the cure of the sickenes of the mind then is a strong cleane and fuming wine to the frantike or burning ague but rather to resemble oile to quench a flaming fire or as when a man hath paine in his arme for the curing therof to cut off his leg or other member My maisters the Apostles and antient fathers of the Church neuer vsed any such tooles for the rooting out of those errours and heresies which from time to time were sowen and planted therein Marke in the Acts of the Apostles what they did in the beginning in the cutting off of meats and abolishing of Iudaisme which some through the circumcision went about to continue in the church after grace giuen by Iesus Christ Consider what the Emperour Constantine the great did for the suppression and condemning of the heresie of Arrius Sée also what other Emperours did in like cases what course thy tooke to abolish the heresies of the Nestorians Pelagians Anabaptists and others as the Counselles called for the same do testifie Why then shall not we do the like in these dayes where the question concerneth not a handfull of people retired from the Romish church but euen halfe christendome But now here commeth some angrie fellow that will tell me that the heresies of these dayes are already condemned by the councel of Trent and therfore if that a processe alredy iudged euen by decrée where all parties haue answered reciprocally is not to be reduced to the file what shal then become of a processe iudged by default and contumacie where the parties haue neither appeared nor answered But omitting al other causes of nullitie aleadged against the said Councell as by sundry bookes expressely written doth appeare the Protestants and Huguenots do say and complaine that they are not heard in the said councel of Trent That albeit they were thereto summoned and called yet they durst not appeare as doubting of the safety of their persons by reason of a certaine principle both then and yet holden by some of our diuines importing That faith is not to be kept with heretikes and fearing the like successe as happened to those who contrarie to the publike faith and the Emperour Signismundes safeconduct were put to death at the councel of Constance If we were once sufficiently grounded to condemne this opinion and errour may we not be so againe It is not the first time that there haue béene diuers councels holden for the rooting out of one selfe heresie Sith there haue béene two Councels holden in Italie and one Sinode in France for the determining of the opinion of a meane Deacon of Saint Maurice of Angiers is it not greater reason to call a generall frée councell for so many peoples and nations of Christendome as at this day are of diuers opinions Let vs then shewe that we feare not the touchstone yea let them know that equitie and trueth are on our side which can neuer be reuersed in the presence of God who by his holy spirite alwaies assisteth a frée councel lawfully assembled and holden I could be content here to make a digression and exclamation against our holy fathers the Popes who are or should be the common fathers of all faithfull and Catholike people for suffering so much christian bloud to be shead about these arguments and controuersies in religion also for that they haue rather fauoured allowed and consented to the leuying of such wars hereabout then vsed the spirituall sword the which is Gods word for the cutting off of the course of heresie but in respect of the reuerence of their memorie the place that they haue holden the honor that I owe to that holy sea and eschewing of offence I will holde my peace I say therefore that as this sickenes of diuersitie of opinions in religion is spirituall so it is requisite thereto to applie spiritual remedies and medicines To say with some that the king is to be instructed we may say as much of al other that holde the same opinions as he doth and so when shal we haue done teaching of euery one particularly Againe thinke you so to win the consent of the inhabitants of England Scotland Denmarke Sweden Germany and other countries that haue frée exercise of their religion without controlement Wéene you that the doctours of Sorbonne and other such diuines shall be welcome to them in particular when they come to minister vnto them this foode and instruction Ye are deceiued it is a méere mockerie neither can that be the necessarie remedy to this disease Nothing but a generall councell can cure so generall a sickenesse For the honour of God therfore my Maisters you that are seruauntes to God and the king as well Cleargie men as others neuer withstand this course And you of the League let reason rule you as well your affaires are but in bad case I say and affirme that vnto such as in lieu of employing themselues about the calling of a generall councel shall withstand and hinder the same we may iustly attribute the causes of whatsoeuer domage may ensue to the catho apostol and Romish religion aduowing that they be guilty and answerable before god for al the robberies murders fires spoils ransoms violations ruines calamities and other outrages and excesse of the warres I know well enough my maisters that many of you do wish that the king would become a catholike to the end ye might haue peace and ye desire peace to the end to returne to your houses there to inioy your woonted commodities and pleasures But if ye obtaine not this wish at Gods hand ye may be