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A97134 A religious demurrer, concerning submission to the present power: contained in a letter written to some religious gentlemen, and reverend divines in and about the city of London; from some peaceable and truth-seeking gentlemen in the countrey. Requesting as speedy and satisfactory an answer as they please to afford. Ward, Nathaniel, 1578-1652. 1649 (1649) Wing W781A; Thomason E530_19; ESTC R203432 8,950 8

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the sea the other on the earth are now fulfilling who swore by Him that liveth for ever that there should be no more time Rev. 10.6 at least no time wherein any man can live unlesse he be Amphibios or can hang by his hands well fastened in Heaven and teeter till time come again It may well be accounted no time that is such a time wherein men can enjoy no certain Religion no sound reason no peace no money no quiet in their houses no rest in their beds nor any hope of seeing an end of their distractions 3. To meditate such a Toleration as that no man shall be compelled to attend the publike worship of God or to adhere to the established confession of faith We think it a lesse sin if subjects might have liberty not to submit to the acts and orders of a State We presume obedience to God is full as necessary as obedience to men 4. We may adde hereunto such a wearisome delay of putting forward Church-Government by Imparative Authority that there will be scarce pure water enough left to drive such heavy moving wheeles with any life or strength 5. The constituting of State-Commissioners of such persons whereof some are generally known to be in divers respects very unfit and unacceptable suiting a partiship we are loth to say a faction rather than the weighty affairs of the Kingdom 6. That all this and many other things should be done at the vast charges of the far greatest and best part or the Kingdom who are utterly averse to it Not much unlike that of the Spaniards who cut off the Indians arms at their shoulders to beat them about their heads to make them serve their ends We cannot but think that Taxes and Free-quarter both is too heavy an oppression for an exhausted people to pay and an idle Army to receive We summe up what we have said in this We fear that the alterations of a State by the intestine faction or force of any minor part thereof though in their own concoits the sanior melior and fortior part is utterly unlawfull whatsoever necessities providences and intentions they ptetend Such Miranda are only to be expected in Gods time and Gods way The third ground of our doubt is From our Protestations Covenants and Oaths which having been so strongly and frequently argued by others we shall say no more of it but this That when a Religious Nation have pawned their God their Christ their Gospel their souls their salvation and their whole prosperity to do such acts as were then and still continue lawfull We cannot comprehend with the utmost dimensions of our Understandings no not with the purest Chymistry of our Fancies no not with the most perspicacious rayes of light we have either old or new how such a Nation should not only shake off such sacred chains but presume diametrically and point-blank to counter-act those engagements till they had heard God from heaven protest vow and swear that he would both have them do so and freely pardon them for it Which how he should do is many leagues beyond the worlds end out of our intelligence It being sworn in our Oath of Allegiance That no power whatsoever should absolve or deter us from the performing thereof If we slight these Obligations there seems to us to be an absolute necessity to have a select Committee to treat with God for two or three Universall liberties of Conscience And if he will not concede to intreat the Army we will not say to behead but at least to dethrone him and get it Enacted That neither Father Sonne nor holy Ghost should ever raigne more in this Kingdom and an Order That all the Ministers in the Land shall publish it in their severall Congregations with a profession That all truth and power of Religion is originally in the people We come now to the second Question wherein we shall be brief We cordially professe our selves solicitious to yeeld obedience to any Authority that can bear the name of Lawfull But the Reasons of our hesitancy concerning this are two 1. We fear That by our Submission we shall assert that power for good which we suspect to be illegall or at least to us very dubitable Would the Army and their party clearly professe an absolute Conquest which is a kinde of title jure gentium we would observe all their commands in licitis honestis for fear sake and to avoid offence as Christ did in paying tribute to the Romans But to a bicipitous and amphidoxous Government unlesse we have two faces two tongues two understandings two judgements two consciences two hearts two pair of hands two pair of leggs two purses which every honest man hath not we cannot see how it may be done especially in such acts of obedience as do necessarily ratifie and establish an unlawfull or dubitable Authority Should our servants in out houses rise upon us and command us by threats to perform a lawfull act that were but transient we would yeeld to avoid their force but if they should affirm that the Government of the family were theirs by right and that they intended to perpetuate it over us we should think it a great sin to betray that place and power wherein God hath naturally and morally placed us It is said That wisdome requires obedience in this present case because it is the only visible Authority we now have and to slight it were to cut the sinews of all present Government and to prostrate our selves to the rudenesse and rapine of unreasonable men We conceive under favour There is another more compleat Authority visible enough to Religious and Loyall eyes though for the present it be suspended in point of exercise and clapt under hatches for a while We hold it scarce lawfull for a man to marry another woman while his wife is in a swound or in a fit of the falling-sicknesse or for a woman to marry another man while her husband is in captivity or in prison willing to come to her if he might We also conceive That we are bound to trust God who can support a State in a confusion or deliquium and rule in a Chaos and forbids us to do any evil that any good may come of it and not to finde out waies of our own by any evil shifts either to remove his present judgements or to prevent his future mercy Truefaith makes no haste c. Others say That such as withstand these present proceedings do what in them lies to withstand those glorious daies of Religion and Government which they think to be now approaching We would be as glad as any if we and our children might have a portion in those glorious times which vain-glorious men dream of But if ever God produceth such glorious times out of such ungracious courses as are now acting we are resolved for our parts to buy no more Bibles of our English translation It 's quite beyond the Arcticks of our fore-sight how true