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A87429 The iudgement of an old grand-jury-man of Oxford-shire, concerning the breaking up of the late treaty begun at Uxbridge 30. Ian. 1644. Delivered upon his perusall of the late printed full narration of the passages concerning it. Old grand-jury-man of Oxford-shire. 1645 (1645) Wing J1175; Thomason E285_8; Thomason E303_11; ESTC R200068 13,146 19

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that the King did so please the English in making the late Pacification in Scotland and does now so displease them in making the late Cessation in Ireland Is it because the Irish were Rebels surely so were They. Is it because the Scots only fought for their Liberties and their Religion surely so did They. But you will say their Religion is a false Religion So will they say of yours and so long as it is true in their Opinion and to their Conscience it is altogether as lawfull for them to fight for that Religion which they believe to be True though it be false as it is for our Rebells to fight for that Religion which is both believed to be and is also True But the plain truth is whither or no there was that necessity for the Pacification I will not meddle but sure enough of this Cessation there was the greatest necessity that ever could be for the Lords and Iustices of Ireland wrote most lamentable Letters to the King See the Letters of the Lords Justices pag. 194. no. 10. in the Appendix complaining that they wanted bread That they had not provision for one Month and not a Hundred barrells of Powder in all their store which would not last them above a Moneth and that the Parliament knowing of all these necessities never sent them in whole six Moneths but fourteen tunne of Cheese and three score and fifteen barrells of butter which would not serve that part of the Army which lay about Dublin for above seaven or eight daies and they humbly beseech the King to think of some expedient course as soon as may be to preserve His whole Kingdom from imminent and apparent ruine Now what could the King doe for them in such a case Send victualls or Monies or Ammunition He could not for He neither had them nor the use of His own Shipps to conveigh them if He had Send to the Parliament He might and to as much purpose as before those of Ireland did for they that could have the conscience to spend a Hundred thousand pounds of the mony which was collected for Ireland which was none of their owne Pag. 135. no. 177. of the Full Narration upon the maintaining of this their Rebellion here in England as they dare not deny themselves to have done it is somewhat unlikely they would part with any thing that was their own when nothing but charity could compell them thereunto Well but they say that by undeniable proofs it is most cleare Pag. 133. no. 177. in their Paper of the 22. of Feb. that these necessities alleadged for the grounds of the Cessation were made by the designe of the Popish and Prelaticall party in England and Ireland But me thinks if the proofes be so undeniable they should be demonstrable I could never meet with any thing that did look like a proof thereof in all those papers I confesse this had been somewhat if it had been true But the Rebels doe not offer so good proofe of that which they alleadge as that proof is which is offered for the contrary which notwithstanding they will not accept for to prove the want of necessary provision for reliefe of that miserable Kingdom there are diverse Letters produced by the Kings Commissioners from the Lords Iustices and the Councell of Ireland the Truth whereof they seem not willing to believe unlesse they may see the names of those men who did subscribe them and yet they will not promise indempnity to their persons if they should see them or that it should be no prejudice unto them if they should fall into their hands for upon those tearmes they might have seen them when they would But to prove that these necessities were contrived by the Popish and Prelaticall party both in England and in Ireland they produce not so much as any Letter either under many mens hands or one not bring the least evidence thereof other then their own Iealousies unworthy surmises and the consideration of circumstances Now I would have the World Iudge whether there be not more apparent proofe from Letters under mens hands that live upon the place and were lamentable witnesses and sufferers in the necessities of that Kingdome that there was no reliefe at all sent them from the Parliament Then there is from their simple affirmations that those releifes were disposed of by the Popish and Prelaticall party for the succour and assistance of the Rebells in their greatest wants And yet these Rebels of England will have us beleive any thing which they affirme upon their own words although they are Parties in the Cause and will not beleive us upon the Letters and subscriptions of the Lords and Councell of Ireland who certainly were the best Iudges therein Besides in all probabilities if the Popish and Prelaticall party had had such a hand in doing the Rebels service certainly they would have found some better comfort then they did in receiving of their Wages The Rebels could not chuse but be favourable to their Persons and their Estates and give them liberty to enjoy them in some measure But it is too apparent that although the cruelties of this Rebellion have fallen upon all the Kings good Subjects there in Ireland yet they have fallen thicker upon no condition of men then upon the Prelats some whereof have received sixteen or seaventeen wounds from the Rebels and bin left for dead others have bin rob'd and plundered to their very shirts and all or the most Part of them have bin driven out of That Kingdom into This for the very safegard of their Lives where they remaine in great distresse and necessities not having scarsly how to get them Bread And yet these men must have this Cessation made voyd and the farther prosecution of the Warre committed to their hands Truly I dare say if there were a Peace here the King would so farre accept of their Assistance in the rooting out of that Rebellion as is fit either for him to take or them to give I dare say they could propose no likely way of reducing those Rebels but the King would be willing strait to practice it But whilst they are in actuall Rebellion here against him whilst they manage one Warre here against him For him to entrust them with the managing of another Warre there for him Were such a piece of weaknesse as no man certainly can be perswaded to but he that will be perswaded to give a man two to one that is scarce able to play with him on even hands And as concerning their Nomination of the Lievtenant in Ireland and the Iudges of both Benches it seemes to me the greatest piece of Arrogance that was ever yet heard off Have they not enough that they are Kings themselves but they must make Kings too but I could be contented if men were arrogant onely if they were not absurd also For I demand The Nomination of the Lievtenant either it was in the Kings Power before they