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A89827 An answer to the booke called The perfect Pharisee under monkish holinesse: wherein is layd open, who they are that oppose the fundamentall principles of the doctrine of the Gospel, and the scripture practises, which the authors of that book would cast upon those they call Quakers, but are found to be themselves; who appear to be no ministers of the Gospel, but walke contrary to all that ever Christ sent forth in the scripture, scorning them who live the life of the scriptures, or are brought into the obedience of the same spirit. Published for no other end but to cleare the truth from the slanders of these men, who thereby goe about to deceive the simple, and keep them off from obedience to the truth. By one whom the world calls, James Nayler. Naylor, James, 1617?-1660. 1654 (1654) Wing N261; Thomason E735_2; ESTC R206955 29,772 36

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Christ is the Word is to destroy the Foundation of Faith to make the Scriptures lose their authority and diverse such like false conclusions I answer to build all upon him in whom all is fulfilled is to establish Faith and Scripture and all where it must stand as on the Foundation for Christ is the authority of all Scriptures and not the letter and in him they are all profitable and not else For your fourteenth Position that the spirits are not to be tryed by the Scripture I answer The infallible spirit which is the Originall of all Scriptures is the try●ll of all spirits and that spirituall man judgeth all things and by that spirit the saints was to judge of all spirits and gave those up to Sathan that was for that end as is p●aine 1 Corinth 5. 4 And by this spirit was the spirits tryed before the letter w●s and all that are guided by the spirit of God are the sons of God and are one and in one minde and have one rule and one Faith but you who have no guide but the Letter How many minds how many formes how many gods doe you worship and all pretend Scripture one wresting it one way another another way But what true tryall of spirits can you have here For you five though one spirit act you al● against the truth yet you have your severall wayes formes worships and spirits and all pretend Scriptures but who hath that true spirit of judgement is able to try you all and sees you all without and whereas you quote that place To the Law and to the testimony it is true The Law of the new covenant is written in the heart by God and the Testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophesie and if any be not guided by and speake according to these it is because they have not the light in them but without them and here you are whose light is without you and therefore it is that you speake contrary to them who speake from the true light in them even the witnesse in themselves Now all your false conclusions as that to be guided by the spirit is to draw the soule from the judgement of God and you citing Iohn Gilpin against the truth it is no more then if the chiefe Priests should have cited Iudas to have confuted Christ and the rest of the eleven Apostles which truth they owned and suffered for though he denyed it and consulted with the Priests to betray it as Iohn Gilpin hath done now who shall receive his reward and you Priests also For your fifteenth Position That there ought to be no sense meaning or exposition given or studying of the Scriptures I answer What hath been said before may suffice as to this onely the spirit gave out the Scriptures either perfect or not perfect If perfect then let them alone as they are and doe not darken them by your invented wisedome that they may be read and fulfilled in the Saints for that is the end for which they were given forth Not to trade with for Tythes and Money and here the practice of all the Saints shall witnesse against you for they were spoken by the holy men of God as they were moved by the holy Ghost and they were written to such as were come out of the world pride envie and covetousnesse Now you that live in those sins and filthy lusts and are of the world have nothing in them but your judgements that is to be accomplished upon you from the wrath of the Almighty and you that wrest them to pleade for sin are raized out of them for they were given to warue off sin and you that have not that infallible spirit that gave them forth what will you judge and open and expound them with for the serpents Wisedome is shut out of them and can doe nought but twine and wrest them to their owne destruction and keeping poore soules that beleeve you in sin and the fall who cannot witnesse their Redemption and freedome from sin but are fed with words and profession without life and power or hopes ever to have power while they live And though you alledge diverse which you say expounded yet not one of them will warrant your way of trading nor your covetous practises For your sixteenth Position They cry downe Baptisme with Water and the Lords Supper as being but types and shadows ceasing upon the appearance of Christ within them I answer You your selves doe not say that they are the spirituall substance but as for your Baptizing Infants it is a meere invention and hath no ground in Scripture and we deny it but if any one out of a tender conscience doe observe it as seeking to fulfill any command as he conceives I shall not judge him that is weake onely if such a one rest there and come not to the Baptisme of Christ which is with fire and the spirit Water-Baptisme will not profit him and he that once rastes of the substance will not goe backe to the shadow And Paul knew what he spoke when he thanked God that he had Baptized no more for Christ saith he sent me not to Baptize but to Preach And for the outward signes of the Supper Doe this in remembrance of me till I come but when he was come then the bread which they did breake was the body of Christ they being many were one bread which whoever comes to witnesse in spirit will both see and say That your Bread and Wine is carnall and not spirituall and your way of giving it without ground and life who are not one bread nor of one heart and soule as all are who breake this Bread of life but they who rest in the types come short of the substance as is plain in your divisions and contentions Circumcision was a true command of God but who once witnessed the circumcision within of the heart denyed that without and then they who was ignorant of that was within stood in the Figure and persecuted him who had the substance and so it is now For your seventeenth Position That there is no mediate call to the Ministry I answer Where in Scripture will you prove a call to the Ministry by Man Magistrates Townes or Parishes or from one people to another there to rest and live in pride and idlenesse and the people to maintaine you by their labours and you to live idle and to be a Master over them but those who were sent to Preach the Gospel denyes that they were made Ministers by the will of man and had no certaine dwelling place but went up and downe in the world Preaching the Word and disputing in the Synagogues with them that held up the Idol worship though they suffered for it where ever they came And when they had gathered Churches out of the world they did not bid them hyre a man to talke to them for money but ordayned them Elders of themselves which were to take care of the weake freely and
and for being Heingathen that is your owne vvho exercise authority over your owne hearers and pleade for your Heathenish customes vvhereby it appears ye know not God And vvhereas ye charge us with crying up our own holinesse and our selves as extraordinary Prophets Rabbies and Doctors I answer It is false for it is Christs holinesse vve owne and Christ the everlasting Prophet and Priest vve owne vvhereby vve deny ye vvho goe under the namy of Rabbies and Doctors And vvhereas ye charge us with neglect of Apparell Fasting and seperating from the world I answer What Apparell doe vve neglect saving the pride and vanity vvhich you live in and vve are made to vvitnesse against for vvhich you hate us And for Fasting and seperating from the World for shame doe not professe your selves to be Christians vvhile you cast the commands of Christ and practice of the Saints upon us in scorne and derision Did not Christ command to forsake the World and vvas not the Apostle in Fasting often but you shew your selves not to be guided by that spirit but envie them vvho are And ye that scorne Visions and Revelations are ignorant of that by vvhich the Saints came to know God for no man knowes God but by Revelation Whereas you charge us with laying the weight of our justification upon outward observances I answer It is false for the vveight of our justification is layd upon Christ in us the hope of glory Whereas ye say Ye have not been injurious to ●● in calling us Papists Monkes and Fryars I answer The injury vvill be to your selves for vve rest in patience vvhile vve see the Scripture fulfilled vvhich saith They shall cast out your names as evill and shall speake all manner of evill of ye falsely for my names sake which we beare with patience as owning it to be our portion from that Generation And now let every honest heart who reades these two Books and knoweth our practice and seeth the multitude of lyes and slanders cast upon us judge whether ye have done this from an honest principle and the establishing of the Faith or with an intent to slander us and make the truth odious because we have been brought forth as witnesses against your unrighteous practises and we leave it unto the righteous Judge who is the searcher of all hearts to cleare the innocent in his ow●e time and will and to find out the guilty and discover him that simple soules may be no longer deceived through false glosses and the subtilty of crafty men of corrupt minds for their owne ends which we know is the worke of the Lord that he is about and therefore with patience we waite his time into whose hands and keeping we commit our selves and all the faithfull of the Lord who is a sure refuge to the truth To whom be all glory and holy prayses from all that know him for evermore Amen And now a word to ye five who have subscribed this Booke that yee may see by what spirit yee are carryed on to utter so many untruths and false reports taken up by heare-say without any ground at all and divers things out of Books which you cannot be ignorant how ye have on purpose wrested to slander withall that if there be any Principle of honesty in any of you yee may repent before the Lord and that it may not be layd to your charge at the great day when all hearts shall be layd open But in the meane time this I know that what ye have intended against the truth and to keep off the simple from owning of it shall by the wisedome of God so lay open your deceit and envy that it shall advance the truth in the sight of every simple heart which if the truth may but be exalted and my Father thereby honoured it is nothing to me how vile I seeme before men and therefore in peace I rest giving my selfe to the will of God and what I have Written to be judged by all the Children of the light which is not my owne but his from whom I have received it who will defend it against all the wilde Beasts of the World and whom he will shall profit by it And so I rest a Servant of the Truth knowne to the World be the Name of James Nayler A Word to all those who live after their own wills that they may be Witnesses against themselves that they are Persecuters and may reade their Cloud of Witnesses who ever Persecuted the Righteous Seed who is our Cloud of Witnesses ALl People take warning now while you have time prize it for the mighty day of the Lord is comming Woe uoto you that are pro●d and high minded you will be as stubble before the fire howle woe and misery your down fall day is comming weep and howle ye mighty men ye lofty ones ye rebelliou● cones the sword of the Lord is drawne it is forbished and made fit for the slaughter the loftinesse of man shall be brought low cast off your hoods and your rings your filkes and your proud attire g●ird you with saekdoath prepare to meet the Lord the trumpet of the Lord is sounded his sword shall be made fat with slaughter and there shall be no peace to the wicked the Beast and the false Prophet shall be ca●● into the lake of fire great Babylon is come into remembrance before the Lord strong is the Lord that jungeth her she must have double for all her sins she must drink of the Cup of fury and indignation from the hand of the Lord for she hath made all Nations drunke with the Wine of her Fornication even all the Kings and great men of the Earth is drunke with the cup of Whoredome mystery Babylon the mother of Herlots hath deceived the Nations and she must be cast upon the bed of torment howle ye merchants of Babylon who through covetousnesse makes merchandise of soules howle ye proud Priests of Newcastle who set your nests on high and takes part with the Dragon in the warr against the Lambe and deceives the simple by your subtilties the Lord is comming to lay you open and to gather his sheep from your mouthes and you shall be taken with the Whore with whom you have committed Fornication and shall be partakers of her plagues for the wrath of the Lord is kindled against you and your destruction is at hand the mouth of the Lord hath spoken it therefore come out from among them my people and be ye seperated and I will receive you saith the Lord for now am I risen to redeem Syon with judgement and to render vengeance upon her oppressors Heare the Word of the Lord ye Inhabitants of the Land O how is the Land full of swearers and lyars drunkards and raylers scoffers and scornets O how full is the streets of prophane persons Esau like How full is the streets of proud ones who exalts themselves above all that is called god Tremble tremble ye lofty
An Answer to the Booke called The perfect Pharisee UNDER MONKISH HOLINESSE Wherein is layd open who they are that oppose the Fundamentall Principles of the Doctrine of the Gospel and the Scripture practises which the Authors of that Book would cast upon those they call Quakers but are found to be themselves who appear to be no Ministers of the Gospel but walke contrary to all that ever Christ sent forth in the Scripture scorning them who live the life of the Scriptures or are brought into the obedience of the same spirit Published for no other end but to cleare the truth from the slanders of these men who thereby goe about to deceive the simple and keep them of from obedience to the truth They prepared a net for my steps my s●ule is b●wed downe they have digged a ●i● before me into the midst whereof they are fallen themselves Selah Psal 56. 7. By one whom the World calls James Nayler To the Reader FReind There was a Booke lately set forth by five of the cheife Priests of the North residing at Newcastle who are all strangers to that sort of people called Quakers except one so thou may the rather perceive what they have Written is gathered by reports which Booke they caused to be disperced and scattered abroad with much diligence Thou wilt not in this Answer finde any contention in the words of mans wisedome with what they call their confutation but in plainnesse and simplicity what is truth is owned what is false is denyed and so much given forth to every thing as may discover to him that hath the single eye opened by what spirit these men are severally acted Reade with understanding and minde not the multitude of words least thou be deceived Truth needs no covers A. P. NOw that the Lord Jesus Christ is appearing in his Saints to d●scover the man of sinne with all his dece●ts and deceiveable workings as is foretold in the Scriptures Now all the powers of darkenesse are gathering together against him Gog and Magog whose number is as the sana of the Sea for multitude but it is that the Scripture of truth may be fulfiled according to the Prophets concerning these Heathen who know nothing of God and Christ and their raging imaginations against the Kingdome of the holy one And as it was at his appearance upon earth formerly Herod and all Jerusalem was moved neither could that spirit of envie that was in them ever be at rest till they had accomplished their end that was to take away his life And as then the chiefe Priests Herod and Pilat who never loved one another nor could agree in any other thing yet in this they were all agreed to take part against the Lambe And it is the same at this day with the same seed as plainely appears with these five with many more who formerly could scarce agree in any thing ●o not in that which they call The worship of God but have been at jarres and disputes among themselves one contending for one way another for another yet now in this they are all one and their cons●ltations against the simple o●e where he is manifest inventing lyes and seeking for false witnesse against them in whom ●●e is as will appeare in this their Booke and rendring them and what they doe in obedience to God under the name of Monkish holinesse Fryars Pharisees or any thing that in their subtilty they conceive will make them most odious to people who know not their conversation and least any who see their conve●sation should be convinced by their w●lking in ob●dience to Ch●ist they are not afr●●d to spe●k● evill of their fors●king the World the pride and l●sts of it the g●eat ●ommands of Christ and without which none ●●n come unto him and these they ●●ll sinfull neg●ect of th●ir F●●●●ies 〈◊〉 ●●ll obs●rvati●ns and belyes the Apost●e saying th●● 〈◊〉 call● tho●● the rudimen●s of the world as though the Apostle was set to disanull the commands of Christ who saith He that will be my Disciple must forsake the world and what is deare in it yea to wife and children house and land for none can serve God and Mammon and ●hat those whom they would reproach doe in obedience to Christ and his commands they call shewes and will worships or any thing ●hey can devise to make them odious but all who are guided by the spi●it of light may pl●inely see by what spirit these men are acted who ●●eud all their subtilty that they may strike at the Kingdome of Christ in his owne whereby he brings forth obedience in them to his commands and whereby they are brought to follow him who was not of this world nor did live in the delights of it nor had whereon to lay his head but were hated and ●elyed and persecuted by those Priests and people that lived in pride and fulnesse and the hollygods of this world as these who follow him are by the same generation at this day but as then he that was borne after the flesh persecuted him that was borne after the spirit even so it is now but it is that the Scriptures may be fulfilled and the power of the Almighty seen in carrying on hi● po●re despised little Flocke against all the rage of the Heathen that know him not nor his power and hereby will he get himselfe a name and herein do● we rejoyee yea and shall rejoy●e for ever FOr that you call the first Position that is That George Fox should say He was equall with God I answer That he did say that George Fox was equall with God is false for I was in the hearing before some justices of the Peace when he was asked Whether he spake true of George Fox as he was a creature To which he answered I deny George Fox he is dust and must to dust but I and my Father are one and he that is joyned to the Lord is one spirit and so the Scripture saith but they that are in the flesh cannot witnesse it At which the Ju●●ices were satisfied that he spake of the ●pirit of Christ in him and thereupon they did acquit him It is true That Marshall did sweare at Apleby and the other bu● when he came to speak of George Fox being equall with God one of the Justices ●eing there upon the Bench who was present at ●a ●●ster w●en George Fox spake the words did openly witnesse again●● Marshalls false Oath in the hearing of the open 〈◊〉 To your second untruth that Iames Nayler should say That he was as holy just and good as God I answer that holinesse justnesse and goodnesse that I witnesse is no other but the holinesse justnesse and goodnesse of God himselfe in the Face of Iesus Christ for all my owne holinesse justnesse and goodnesse I doe deny but that ever I did say that I was as holy just and good as God is an untruth and was never spoken by me nor ever did it enter into my
inventions and braine study and come amongst people and say Heare the Word of the Lord when the Lord had not spoken to them but the salse Prophets did so and saith the Lord I am against them that steale my Word from their Neighbours and say The Lord saith when I have not spoken to them and ye doing the same things are discovered by the same spirit And whereas yee pleade against our using the Scripture phrase in thouing eve●y particular we speake to and pleading against us the customes of the Nation here yee shew your selves to be guided by a contrary spirit to Christ who leades his out of all the customes of the world and the Nations and thereby they are knowne not to be of the world and yee who are Ministers of the Letter and dispute against the language of it which none of Gods ever denyed or disputed against out of your enmity to the truth yee pleade against what yee professe and are ministers of and all this ye doe to maintain the confused language which all they who are redeemed out of the fall are restored to a pure Language Now as touching your consideration of our practises and first concerning Quaking and trembling to which yee adde grovelling upon the ground and foaming at the mouth which are lyes and slanders of your owne inventing but for quaking and trembling we owne it as that which the Lord hath said shall come upon all flesh and which the Saints have witnessed through the Scripture and if we should deny them we should deny the holy men of God as Moses Isaac David Habakkuk Daniel Ezekiel Ieremiah Paul and many other of the deare servants of God and shew our selves to be strangers to that condition by which they came to know the Lord as yee doe who revile and reproach it And whereas you tell of three sorts of trembling in the Scripture but know them not within your selves ye are not to be regarded nor what ye speake by heare-say who are scorners of their conditions which ye reade in Scripture neither doe ye know from what they proceed but judge of them in your owne imagination and in this as in other things contend against what is witnessed in Scripture 〈◊〉 up all the lyes slanders and weakenesse of any to cast 〈◊〉 the truth and the Saints condition And whereas ye say 〈◊〉 call these quakings our great perfection that is false and a lying slander like the rest our perfection stands not in any outward things but in the good and perfect gift which we receive in Jesus Christ Now of our second practice which ye call Rayling I answer If they speake of ye the things that are true and in which you live will ye call the truth Rayling though it come in an unwelcome language to the disobedient natures Was it rayling in Christ to call them The children of the Devill who brought forth the workes of the Devill or to call them Serpents and Vipers who sought by their subtilty to devoure the simple Or to call Herod a Fox who was a King or for the Apostles and Saints to call them Dogs and Swine who loved their sins and filthynesse and could not be kept from returning into it againe For they who did stand in the light of the spirit of God did discover the contrary spirit which did act severall wayes in the men of the world and some they saw to be Doggs some Wolves some bryars and thornes some high-Mountains some fat Bulls which did compasse the innocent about to devoure them some Witches who bewitched the Saints from the guiding of the spirit to carnall things Now will you call these Raylers because they speak the truth upon the severall actings of the spirit of the Devill where it was But they were the servants of the Lord and were meeke and gentle and patient towards all men even so these servants of the Lord now 〈◊〉 they speake the truth as things are found in ye revealed unto them by the same spirit are no raylers but are meeke gentle and patient notwithstanding they must doe the Message of the Lord faithfully Now to the third practice They pretending upon all occasions to be sent by Commission from God as 〈◊〉 shall instance in some cases following 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 I answer the Messages that God have 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 his servants on have been strange to the world neit●●● could the world who knew not the voyce of the Lord ever ●w●● them but have been counted mad men mad fellows fooles ●●●●●● with new Wine and such like Yet I shall not here justifie every one who saith he is sent of the Lord for many lying spirits are gone out into the world but woe unto him that runneth and is not sent and belyeth the Lord when he hath not spoken unto him but as for your particuler charge● again●● particular persons I shall say little as not knowing the things in particuler but finding your Booke stust with lyes and untruths gives me cause to beleeve that many of these are like the rest Onely this is plaine Scripture That the Messages of the Lord which he sends his people on are foolishnes to the wisedom of the world and so they are to ye and though ye would appoint them their place and manner and time yet it is neither in your wills nor theirs but in the will of God which if any out of feare or favour doe not obey they shall suffer for it And whereas ye declare of comming of some of us to Newcastle this I witnesse to be true as in the pr●sence of God E. B. that our Call was from God and our Commission was from him and therefore did suffer persecution by you and by the Magistrates but as for our declaring our Message before the Magistrates my Brother and Sister were interrupted by some of you in their declaring But that they who were before the Magistrates were invited to go to any of your houses to speak is false and here W. C. is a false witnesse And whereas ye accuse us For casting off the Word of God I answer It is false for the Word of God we owne and obey for which we are scorned and suffers reproach by ye For your accusing George Fox for cursing Master Fetherston as ye call him I my selfe was in presence when Fetherston confessed that the words which George Fox spoke was Scripture And for your slander ye cast upon Christopher Atkinson and a Woman for their familiarity and to make a ground for your slander ye say to say no more but why to say no more if ye know more why doe you not speake the truth but slander in secret And here you false accuser thou and thy witnesse shall both be taken alive and cast into the Pit who hath deceived the people by thy false lyes and slanders thou charges me with my immodest familiarity with a Woman of C. A. my way and to colour thy deceit thou sayst to say no more thou false