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A25920 Articles exhibited against Benjamin Spencer, minister of S. Thomas Parish in Southwarke, in the right honourable and high Court of Parliament for which his living was sequestred together with a charge grounded thereupon, and his answer thereunto, with his reasons of printing the same. 1642 (1642) Wing A3819; ESTC R10474 7,471 10

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Papacy to bee Antichristian and all that wittingly or willingly adhere thereunto Neither doth the Doctrine of their Church order a man to heaven and therefore I detest it as damnable and hold with our Protestant Doctrine published in that poynt in the second part of our Church Homily for Whitsontide But I suppose the plaintiffes might be mistaken when in clearing that poynt so much controverted about the Church of Romes being a true Church it is like enough I said it was thus to be understood namely that she had the outward being and existence of a true Church but not the essence or essentiall properties of one As a thiefe hath the true being of a man in a naturall sense but not the being of a true man in a morall sence So W●spes have true Combs as well as Bees but there is no honey in them So it is likely that I might say the Church of Rome agreeth with the true Church in many fundamentalls as in the Articles of the Creed but overthroweth them by corrupt consequences and superstructions as when they allow Christ to bee the sole Mediator of Redemption but not of intercession and in sixty odde other severall opinions they differ from the Reformed Churches and us English Protestants in which I hope I shal never agree with them To the fourth he answered thus I remember no such in formation by honest men But I acknowledge I have bowed my knees when I have come into the Church but to no visible thing but unto that God by whose leave I tread in his Courts And if I were accounted vile for that it is like enough I might say I would be more vile But since I perceived by an Order from the House of Peeres bearing date sixteenth of Ianuary 1640. that such arbitrary gestures did give offence and that no Ceremony whatsoever should be used but those nominated and allowed by Law I have refrained it and be●aken my selfe to a more private way of devotion And for abusing any who stand about the Communion Table I know not except a faire reproofe for an unreverent carriage be an abuse of those who set their Tailes where we set the Sacrament when there is roome enough to sit else-where To the fist hee answered thus Here is neither instance of time or Text therefore I cannot call to mind what I said But I beleeve I might complaine of danger us times now in these latter dayes of which the Apostle prophesied 2 Tim. 3.1 and might deplore the decay of justice among men both distributive commutative as the Prophets did Psal 12.1 ler. 5.1 and yet not reflect on the Parliament who have found much injustice among men themselves and punished it To the six he answered thus here they instance in asermon remembred by many who can tel that the words which they misconstrue were these spoken unto the Ministers then present at the visitation Sermon Rebuke exhort with all authority as Tit. 2.15 You are commanded and be not affrighted at those Iack-Dawes w th with their noise first disturb the Churches service then shelter themselves under the Leads as many sorts of men do who hope in vaine to shroud themselves under the eaves of the Parliaments favour whose worthies though too much troubled with their triviall complaints yet I am confident they will maintaine what they have protested against all schismaticall persons and malignant parties that these were my words many can justifie that heard them without prejudicate affection To the seventh Article he answered I pray for the King Queen and Royall Progeny and for all that are in authority Indeed I doe not name my Lord Major nor is it usuall so to doe except at Panis-Crosse or the like Neither doe I name the Army but I pray for all those that fight for the truth and the faith of the Gospell and true Religion which is no evidence of malignancy Nor doe I nor ever did scoffe at any Orders of Parliament as shall appeare by my answer to the instance following To this only instance of scoffing at Orders which they produce though the Article chargeth him in generall he thus answered One Lords day such an Order was brought to me as aforesayd of which he that brought it could render no account but that it was bought of one that fold pamphlets about the streets I suspended therfore the reading of it til I had enquired further finding it to be the Parliaments order I read it in the Church And to excuse my selfe that I did not read it at first to some that were offended I said I durst not read that at first which hee that brought could not avouch to have received from any other authority than a Pamphlet seller or a Ballad-monger As for the name Iesus I confesse I sayd thus that considering there were more named by that name in the Bible as Iesus the sonne of Nun Acts 7.45 and Iesus son of Iosedech Zach. 3.1 and Iesus the Ionne of Sarach Eccles 1. And for that many ignorant people have used the same gesture to each name alike when they have beene read and for that the name is not distinguished in this order viz. which Iesus is meant as it is in the 18. Canon which enjoyneth reverence at the reading of it I will not be so bold to interpret the Parliaments mind therein till it bee further expressed by themselves And I hope no charitable mind will take this for an abuse or scoffe but rather want of right apprehension of their mind He thus answered the ninth Article Here is neither Text nor time instanced in nor can I remember all I sayd But I believe it is no bad Divinity to say the Virgin Mary conceived the Holy Ghost in her heart before she had Christ in her womb because shee was before both gracious and faithfull And I conceive those that marry meerely for lust without those other holy ends of marriage couple like beasts and may bee likened to Sampsons Foxes The Prophet Ezekiel speakes much broader Ezek. ●6 2● and yet is not to bee blamed Lewd manners may have loud reproofes so far as I know The tenth he answered thus I finding some people scrupulous to contribute to that occasion said thus It is the end that maketh actions good Now whereas some object that it may be some souldiers goe to war with divers ends some with a good intent some with a blind zeale some to be revenged on their enemies some in hope to enrich themselves by spoyle let not us judge their hearts nor look upon their infirmities but be their end what it will let our end be to relieve their miseries and no doubt if you think they have erred in warre the misery they feel and your charity they find will make them more addicted to peace You may perceive by these Answers that I am much mistaken in my preaching by these my accusers whom I blame not so much for thus accusing me though a little discourse