Selected quad for the lemma: truth_n
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A61552
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The doctrines and practices of the Church of Rome truly represented in answer to a book intituled, A papist misrepresented, and represented, &c.
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Stillingfleet, Edward, 1635-1699.
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Wing S5590; ESTC R21928
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to_o help_v they_o out_o when_o sense_n and_o reason_n fail_v they_o and_o therefore_o cajetan_n well_o say_v we_o ought_v not_o to_o dispute_v 3._o about_o god_n absolute_a power_n in_o the_o doctrine_n of_o the_o sacrament_n be_v thing_n of_o such_o constant_a use_n and_o that_o it_o be_v a_o foolish_a thing_n to_o attribute_v to_o the_o sacrament_n all_o that_o god_n can_v do_v but_o we_o must_v consider_v what_o he_o say_v against_o sense_n and_o reason_n for_o the_o believe_v this_o mystery_n he_o do_v not_o at_o all_o think_v it_o meet_v for_o any_o christian_n to_o appeal_v from_o christ_n word_n to_o his_o own_o sense_n or_o reason_n for_o the_o examine_v the_o truth_n of_o what_o he_o have_v say_v but_o rather_o to_o submit_v his_o sense_n and_o reason_n to_o christ_n word_n in_o the_o obsequiousness_n of_o faith_n what!_o whether_o we_o know_v this_o to_o be_v the_o meaning_n of_o christ_n word_n or_o not_o and_o thus_o we_o shall_v be_v bind_v to_o submit_v to_o every_o absurd_a interpretation_n of_o scripture_n because_o we_o must_v not_o use_v our_o sense_n or_o reason_n for_o examine_v the_o truth_n of_o what_o be_v say_v there_o can_v any_o thing_n be_v plain_o say_v in_o scripture_n than_o that_o god_n have_v eye_n and_o ear_n and_o hand_n must_v now_o every_o man_n yield_v to_o this_o in_o the_o obsequiousness_n of_o faith_n without_o examine_v it_o by_o principle_n of_o common_a reason_n and_o we_o think_v we_o be_v therefore_o bind_v to_o put_v another_o sense_n upon_o those_o expression_n because_o they_o imply_v a_o repugnancy_n to_o the_o divine_a perfection_n why_o not_o then_o where_o something_o be_v imply_v which_o be_v repugnant_a to_o the_o nature_n of_o christ_n body_n as_o well_o as_o to_o our_o sense_n but_o the_o question_n about_o judge_v in_o this_o matter_n by_o our_o sense_n be_v not_o as_o our_o author_n be_v willing_a to_o suppose_v viz._n whether_o our_o sense_n be_v to_o be_v believe_v against_o a_o clear_a and_o express_v 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you_o see_v i_o have_v now_o we_o think_v we_o have_v reason_n to_o allow_v the_o same_o criterion_n which_o christ_n himself_o do_v about_o the_o very_a same_o body_n unless_o he_o have_v then_o tell_v his_o disciple_n that_o there_o be_v to_o be_v another_o supernatural_a manner_n of_o existence_n of_o the_o same_o body_n concern_v which_o their_o sense_n be_v not_o to_o be_v judge_n 3._o some_o of_o the_o most_o important_a article_n of_o the_o christian_a faith_n do_v suppose_v the_o judgement_n of_o our_o sense_n to_o be_v true_a as_o about_o the_o truth_n of_o christ_n body_n whether_o he_o have_v real_o a_o body_n or_o only_o the_o outward_a accident_n and_o appearance_n of_o a_o body_n if_o he_o have_v not_o he_o do_v not_o real_o suffer_v upon_o the_o cross_n and_o so_o the_o sacrifice_n of_o propitiation_n there_o offer_v up_o to_o the_o father_n for_o the_o sin_n of_o mankind_n be_v lose_v there_o be_v a_o great_a controversy_n in_o st._n john_n time_n and_o afterward_o 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