strength of understanding to examine them what remaineth for men desirous of satisfaction in things of such consequence but diligently to search out which amongst all the societies of men in this world is that blessed company of holy ones that houshold of faith that Spouse of Christ and Church of the living God which is the pillar and ground of truth that so they may embrace her communion follow her directions and rest in her judgement Now that thou maist be the better able to follow this wholesome counsell let me advise thee with care and diligence to peruse this eâsuing treatise and that thou maist âeceive much benefit thereby for thy souls health thou hast already the prayers of S. Augustine and thou sâalt have the hearty wishes and desires of Thy charitable Welwisher A. P. The TABLE Chap. I. HOW S. Augustine came to be deâeived by the Manichees Page 1. II. That the Manichees do condemn the old Testament 11 III. Of the four wayes of expounding the old Testament 15 IV. 3. ways whereby men fall into errour 31 Vâ Of the truth of the holy Scripture 37 VI That the holy Scripture is first to be loved before it can be learned 4â VIIâ Thât we ought not to judge rashly of the holy Scriptures and how and with what care and diligence the trve religion is to be sought for 49 VIII Of the way to the instruction of piety and of the wonderfull pains S. Augustine took to find it out 63 IX Of Credulity 68 X. Why Credulity is the wây to Religion 75 XI Of under standing beliefâ and opinion 83 XII That it is the safest wây to believe wise men 93 XIII That Religion takes her beginning from believing 98 XIV That Christ chiefly exacted belief 104 XV Of the most commodious way to Religion 114 XVI That miracles do procure belief 117 XVII The conâsent of nations beââeving in Christ 124 XVIII The conclusion by way of exâortatâân 129 The Profit of Believing CHAP. I. How Saint Augustine came to be deceived by the Manichees O Honoratus IF any Heretick and a man believing Hereticks did seem unto me to be one and the same thing I should think fit to be silent at this present and to abstain both from speaking and writing in this cause But now whereas they do verymuch differ For he is an Heretick according to my opinion who for some temporall benefit and chiefly for glory and his own preferment either broacheth or followeth false and new Opinions but a man believing Hereticks is one that is delâded with a certain imagination of Piety and Truth I held it to be my duty to deliver thee my opinion touching the finding out and embracing the Truth with the love whereof we have both as thou knowest been greatly enflamed even from our youths Truth is a thing farre differing from that which vain men do conceive who having too deeply lettled their affections upoâ these bodâly and corporall things do hold and imagine it to be nothing else but what they do perceive and discerâ by those five most known Messengers of the Body and they tosse to and fâo and rerevolve in their minds the impressions and images which they have received from these things even when they endeavour to disbelievâ their senses and by a deadly and a most deceitfull rule taken from thence they think that they do frame a right and perfect judgement of the ineââfable Secrets and Mysteries of Faith There is nothing more easie my most dear friend then for a man not onely to say but also to think that he hath found out the Truth but how extream hard it is to find it out indeed thou wilt as I hope acknowledge and confesse upon the perusall of these my writings which that they may prove beneficiall unto thee or at least not hurtfull and unto all those into whose hands they may chance to light I have beseeched the divine Majesty and I do beseech him and I hope it will come to passe if mine own conscience can but bear me witnesse that I came to write them not with a desire of vain renown or frivolous ostentation but with a pious and a serviceable mind My intent therefore iâ to prove unto thee if I can that it is sacrilegiously and rashly done of the Manichees to speak bitter words and inveigh against those who following the authority of the Catholick faithâ are fortified and strengthened befoâehand by believing and are prepared to receive the light of the Divine grace before they can behold that Verity and Truth which is seen and beheld with a pure and clean mind For thou knowest O Honoratus that we put our selves into the company of such men for no other cause but for that they said that the terrour of authority being set aside they would with plain and admirable reasons bring their hearers and followers unto God and free them from all errour For what else was it that enforced me to follow them and to hearken to them attentively almost for the space of nine years having despised and contemned the religion which by my parents was ingraffed in me being a little child but for that they affirmed that we are terrified with superstition and commanded to believe before any reason is given us of belief and that they importune and urge none to believe untill the truth be first discussed and made manifest unto them who would not be allured with these promises especially the mind of a young man desirous of truth a babler and one that was puffed up with pride upon âisputations had with some skilfull and learned Schoolmen and such an one they found me then to be namely who despised my former religion like old wives tales and desired to embracâ and with greedinesse to receive the manifest and sincere Truth which they promised to teach and deliver But again what reason withdrew me and called me back that I did not wholly adhere uâto thâm but kept my self in the degree of Hearââs as they use to call them and did âot forgo the hopes and affairs which I had in this world but for that I also noted and observed that they were more eloquent and copious iâ consuting others then firm and certain in provingâ and maintaining their own grounds But what shall I say of my self who was now become a Catholick Christian who being almost exhausted and greedy after a very long thirst was now with an ardent affection returned again to the breasts of the Church which I shaked and wrung much weeping and lamenting to the end I might not onely draw from thence sufficient comfort for my misery and aâfliction but might also recover my former hope of life and salvation What then shall I say of my self And as for thee thou didest so vehemently hate and detest them that I could hardly draw thee by entreaties and exhortations to hearken unto them and try them and when thou heaâdest them with what other thing I pray thee weât thou taken and
THE PROFIT OF BELIEVING Very usefull Both for all those that are not yet resolved what Religion they ought to embrace And for them that desire to know whither their Religion be true or no Written by S. Augustine LONDON Printed by ROGER DANIEL In Lovels Court near Pauls Church-yard 1651. The Preface To the well-disposed READER Learned Reader I Know thou art not ignorant that of all the affairs and businesses in this world there is none of that consequence and importance unto thee as the saving of thy soul and that our Blessed Saviour who knew best of all the inestimable value thereof and vouchâââed to redeem it at so dear a rate as with his own pâetious bloud plainly declared the importance thereof when he said in the Gospel Mat. 16. 16. What is a man profited if he shall gain the world ând loose his own soul Or what shall he give in exchange therâof Wherefore let me advise thee to seek out and embrace the true Faith and Religion for that without such a Faith according to the Apostle Heb. 11. 6. it is impossible toplease God and without pleasing of him it is impossible to be saved If thou thinkest that thou haât found out the truth already and that thou dost embrace it then give me leave to tell thee that the world at this present abounds with an hundred hereâies at least the embracers whereof shall not according to S. Pauls doctrine Gal. 5. 20. inherit the kingdome of God and yet as the same Apostle doth affirm Ephes. 4. 5. there is but one Lord one Faith one Baptisme so that it is an hundred to one but that thy Faith and thy Religion are false and thy salvation is in danger thereby Is there not then great reason that thou shouldest well consider whither the Faith and Religion which thou embracest be true or no when upon this resolution depends thy frââtion of unspeakable blisse or intolerable suffering of endlesse paâns for all eternity How to find out the true Faith Religion it is a matter of very great difficulty not onely by reason that there are many faiths and religions in the world and of all these there is but one true and all the rest be false but also for that the controversies debated now adayes are so many and so intricate that few have leasure to study them and fewer ability to conceive and understand them yet the zeal of learned Writers hath not been wanting to satisfie men herein But what age since the Apostles dayes hath brought forth any man so able to perform so great a task as was that incomparable Doctor S. Augustine lib. 3. de Eccles. fol. 170. who as Doctour Field asserteth was the greatest and chiefest of the antient Fathers and the most famous of all the Divines which the Church hath had since the Apostles time and as Doctour Covell affirmeth in his answer to Master Burges pag. 3. hath farre excelled all others that have been or are like to be hereafter those onely excepted that were inspired by the Holy Ghost both in Divine and Humane knowledge What man since the Apostles dayes could ever so well discem true doctrine from false truth from errour and true faith from heresie as could that great S. Augustine who did not onely like another David fight against the Goliah of one heresie but like another Joshua fought the battels of the Lord against all the force and power of heresie in his dayes for fourty years together Wherefore if this great Doctour should have left any advises or instructions behinde him unto any of his dear friends that were then hereticks whereby he taught them how to find out the true faith and religion amongst so many heresiesâ ought not such instructions to be greatly desired and if any such could be found to be highly esteemed and diligently perused Surely thou wilt say that coming from so great a Doctour and being so proper and necessary fot these times without doubt they ought Why then Learned Reader give me leave to preâent unto thee a learned Treatise of his which he sent unto his dear and learned friend Honoratus to draw him from the Manichean herâsie to the true Religion I durst not presume to tender it unto thee in this poor English habit were I not confident that thou seekest more after the true Religion and the saving of thy soul then after vain eloquence the entising words of humane wisdome 1 Cor. 2. 4. but I will assure thee under this poore attire thou wilt find a rich and a learned discourse of great S. Augustine not onely very profitable for those that are not yet resolved in point of Religion but also for them that dere to be satisfied whither the faith and Religion which they embrace be true or no If the stile be displeasing and ungratefull unto thee know that very many of the African Fathers have harsh stiles besides consider how hard a matter it is to teach a native African to speak true English In this work first he shews how the old Testament is to be expouâded and defends the Authority or it against the Manichees that rejected it Secondly he overthrowes that Manichean principle That nothing is to be believed in point of Faith which is not first by reason made manifeât and evident unto the Believer In the third place he adviseth âervent and frequent prayer peace and tranquility of mind and a sequestration of affections from terrene things as aids necessary âor the finding out the truth then declaring that Christ hath raised a very great and a famous Church consisting of all Nations which is to continue very visible and conspicuous even to the worlds end he exhorts Honoratus to addresse himself unto the Pastours and Teachers thereof and to learn of them the true faith and Religion This way of proceeding to find out the truth is far more short and easie then by the examination of all the points of controverted doctrine by their conformity to the holy Scripâures for it consists in two points onely first in seeking out which of all the Churches is the Church of Christ and secondly whither this Church can erre or no For the finding out of the Church S. Augustine proposed four marks unto Honoratus Unity Universality Sanctity and Apostolicall Succession the which are set down very plainly in Scripture The Unity of the Church is twofold in body and in faith in regard of the first our Saviour faith his Church is one fold and hath one shepheard Joh. 10. 16. and the Apostle calls it one body 1 Cor. 12. 13. In respect of the second S. Paul earnestly exhorted the Corinthians 1 Cor. 1. 10. to speak the same thing and that there be no division amongst them but that they be perfectly joyned together in the same mind and in the same judgâment and he beseeched the Ephesians to endeavour to keep the unity of the spirit in the bond of peace Ephes. 4â 3 4â 5. affirming that there is
of millions of fables and âales CHAP. VII That we ought not to judge rashly of the holy Scriptures and how and with what care and diligence the true Religion is to be sought for BUt now if I can I will accomplish that which I have begun and I will treat with thee after such a sort that in the mean time I will not expound the Catholick Faith but I will shew unto them that have a care of their souls some hope of divine fruit and of finding out the Truth to the end they may search out the great mysteries and secrets of Faith He that seeks after the true Religion doth without doubt either believe already that the Soul is immortall unto whom that Religion may be commodious and profitable or he desires to find her to be so in the same Religion and therefore all Religion is for the souls sake for the nature of the body howsoever it doth put him to no care and solicitude especially after âeath whose soul hath taken a course by which it may become blessed Wherefore true Religion if there be any was either onely one chiefly instituted for the souls sake and this soul erres and is foolish as we see untill she gets and possesses wisdome and that perhaps is the true Religion if I seek out and enquire the cause of her erring I find it to be a thing which is extremely hidden and obscure But do I send thee to fables or do I enforce thee to believe any thing rashly I say our soul being entangled and drowned in errour and folly seeks after the way of verity and truth if there be any such to be found if thou findest not thy self thus inclined and disposed pardon me and make me I pray thee partaker of thy wiâdome but if thou doest let uâ I beseech thee both together seek out the truth Imagiâe with thy self that no noââcâ had as yet been given unto us nor no insinuation made unto us of any Religion whatsoever Behold we undertake a new work and a new businesse Professours of Religion are I believe to be sought for if there be no such thing Suppose then that we have found men of divers opinions and in that diversity seeking to draw every one unto them but that in the mean time some amongst these do surpasse the rest in renown of âame and in the possession of almost all people Whether they embrace the truth or no it is a great question but are they not first to be examined and tried that so long as we erre for as men we are subject to errour we may seem to erre with mankind it self but thou wilt say Truth is to be found but amongst a few certain men if thou knowest amongst whom it is why then thou knowest already what it is Did not I say a little before that we would seek after the truth as though we were yet ignorant thereof but if by the force of truth thou doest conjecture that there be but few that embrace it and yet thou knowest not who they be what if those few do lead and rule the multitude by their authority and can dive into the secrets and mysteries of faith and can make them in a manner plain and manifest do we not see how few attain to the height of eloquence and yet the schools of Rhetoricians do make a great noise throughout the whole world witâ companies of young men Do all those that desire to become good oratours being terrified with the multitude of unskilfull men think that they ought to addict themselves rather to the studie of the orations of Coâcilius and Erucius then to those of Tullius Cicero all men affect the things that are strengthened and confirmed by the authority of their ancestours The simple sort of people endeavours to learn those things which a few learned men have delivered unto them to be learned but very few there be that attain unto great eloquence fewer there be that practise it but fewest of all that grow eminent and are famous What if true Religion be some such thing what if a multitude of ignorant people frequents the Churches it is no proof nor argâment that therefore none are made perfect by those mysteries and yet if so fâw should studie eloquence as there are few that become âloquent our parents would never think it fit to have us recommended unto such masters When as therefore the multitude which abounds with a number of unskâlfull people invites us to these studiesâ and makes us earnestly to affect that which few do obtain why will we not admit that we have the like cause iâ Religion the which peradventure we contemne and despise to the great perill and hazard of our souls for if the most true and most sincere worship of God though it be but amongst a few yet it is amongst those with whom the multitude though wholly addicted to their appetitâs and desires and farre from the purity of knowledge and understandingâ doth conâent and agree which without all doubt may come to passe I ask what answer are we able to give if any one should râprove our âashnes folly for that having a great care to find out the true Religion we do not diligently search it out amongst the masters and teachers thereof if I should say the multitude hath discouraged me Why then hath it not disheartened men from the study of the liberall sciences which hardly yields any profit to this present life why not from seeking after money and getting wealth why not from obtaining dignities and honours moreover why not from recovering and preserving health finally why not from the desire of a blessed an happy life in all which affairs though many men be imployed yet few there be that ate eminent and excell You will say that the books of the Old Testament seemed to contain absurd things Who are they that affirm it namely enemies for what cause or reason they did it is not now the question but yet they were enemies you will say when you read them you understood so much by your own reading Is it so indeed if thou hadst no skill in Poetrie at all thou durst not take in hanâTerentianus Maurus without a master Asper Cornutusâ Donatus and a multitude of other Authours are thought requisite for the understanding of any Poet whose verses deserve no greater esteem then the approbation and applause of a stage and thou without a guide doest undertake to reade those books and without a master darest passe thy judgement upon them which howsoever they be are notwithstanding by the confession of almost all mankind published to be holy and replenished with divine matters nor if thoâ findest some things therein which seem unto thâe absurd dost thou rather accuse the dulnesse of thy witâ and thy mind corrupted with the infection of this world as the minds of all fools are then those books which peradventure by such kind of men cannot be well conceived and understood Thou
shouldst do well to seek out a man both pious and learned or one that is esteemed and reputed so to be by the approbation and consent of many by whose instructions thou mightest become better and more expert and skilfull by his learning Such an one saist thou was not easie to be found it would be some labour and trouble to seek him There was none such in the land wherein thou didst dwell If so what cause could more profitably enforce thee to travell if he lay hid in the continent or firm land or were not there at all thou shouldst sail beyond sea if he were not there to be found by the shore thou shouldeât make a voyage even unto those lands wherein the things which are contained in those books are said and reported to have been done O Honorat us have we done any such thing and yet when we were but most wretched and silly boyes we did at our own pleasure and in our own judgement condemn a Religion and that perhaps a most holy one for I speak as yet as though some doubt were to be made thereof whose fame and renown hath already possessed the whole world What if the things which âeem in those Scriptures offensive to some that are ignorant and unskilfull be for this cause so written and set down that when such things are read as âgree not with the sense of all sorts of men but much lesse with theirs that are holy and wise we may with more care and diligence seek out a secret and hidden meaning thereof doest thou not see how men labour to interpret the pastorall Catamite upon whom the rough shepherd poured out his affections and how they asâirm that the boy Alexis upon whom Plato is also said to have made some love-verâes signifies I know not what great and mysterious matter but that it surpasseth the judgement and understanding of unskilfull men when as indeed that Poet abounding in his inventions may without any detestable crime or offence be conceived to have published lascivious songs but were we indeed hindred and withdrawn from seeking out the true Religion either by the publishing of some law against it or by the power of them that oppose it or by the contemptible shew and appearance of men dedicated to the service of God or by any base or diâhonest report or by the newnesse of the institution or by some hidden profession thereof No no none of these things did withdraw and hinder us all laws both divine and humane do permit men to seek out the Catholick faith and certainly it is lawfull according to humane law to hold embrace it if so long as we erre we be uncertain of the divine law We have no enemie that puts any fright or terrour into our weaknes although truth and the salvation of our souls if it be sought after where it is lawful to seek it with most safety and it cannot be found ought to be enquired for with any danger and hazard whatsoever the degrees of all powers dignities do most devoutly impart their service unto this sacred and divine worship and the very name of Religion is most honourable and hath a very great esteem and renown What hindereth us then at last to seek out carefully and to examine with a pious and diligent search whether here be that truth which though few do know and retain after the sincerest manner yet the favour and good wâll oâ aâl natiââs doth conââiâe therein All this being so imagine as I said that we now make our first enquiry what Religion we ought to embrace both for the cleansing and reforming of our souls Without doubt we must take our beginning from the Catholick Church for there are now more Christians then if the Jews were joyned with the worshippers of idols And whereââ of the same Christians there be divers heresies and all would have themselves thought to be Catholicks and do call others besides themselves hereticks the Church is one as all do grant greater in multitude if thou considerest the whole world and as those that know do affirm more sincere in truth then all the reât but as for truth it is another question But that which is sufficient for those that seek it is that the Catholick Church is one upon which other heresies do impose divers names when as every one of them is called by its proper name which it dares not deny where by we may understand by the judgement ofâ Arbitratours not hindred by any favourâ unto whom the name Catholick which all seek after ought to be attributed But lest that any one should think that this thing ought to be debated with much babling or superfluous discourseâ there is one Church indeed wherein even the humane Laws are after a sort Christian Yet I will have no preocupation of judgement to be drawn from hence but I judge it to be a most fit beginning for the seeking out of the truth For there is no fear least the true worship of God relying upon no proper force of its own should seem to stand in need to be upheld and supported by them whom ât ought to sustain and support but certainly it were a perfect happinesse if the Truâh could there be found where with most security it may be sought and retained but if it cannot it ought to be sought for in another place what danger and perill soever be incurred CHAP. VIII Of the way to the instruction of piety and of the wonderfull pains Saânt Augustine took to find it out HAving thus resolved and determined these things which in my opinion are so right and just that I ought to prevail in that cause with thee whosoever were against it I will recount unto thee as well as I can what course I took to find out the true Religion when as I sought it with such a mind and resolution as I have now declared that it ought to be âought for When I was departed from thee beyond the Sea now staggering and doubting what I ought to embrace and what to reject which doubting daily encreased in me from the time that I gave ear unto that man whose coming unto us was as thou knowest promised as from heaven for the resolving of all the difficulties where with we were troubled and I knew him to be a man like other men but onely that he was cloquent I held a great debate and deliberation with my self being now in Italy not whether I should continue in that sect into which I was sorry and grieved that I had faln but by what means I might find out the truth for the love whereof thou canst bear me witnesse how I sighed and groaned I was often of an opinion that it could not be found out and the great waves of my thoughts and cogitations moved me to assent to the Academicks Oftentimes again when I considered as well as I could that the mind of man is endued with such vivacity and naturall strength with such
from beasts as we say all men desire to be blessed wherein little children cannot be included for they cannot yet deâire it CHAP. XIII That Religion takes her beginning from Believing HEre again ariseth a questioâ of great difficulty for how shall we that are fools be able to find out a wise man âeeing that divers do indifferently challenge that name unto themselves although almost none dare presume to do it openly when as they do so disagree amongst themselves about those things in the knowledge whereof wisdome doth consist that it is necessary to think that either none of them are wise men or that there is but one certain wiseman But when a fool enquires who that is truly I sâe not by what means he can be plainly discerned and perceâved for a man cannot know any thing by any signs whatsoever unlesse he knows the thing it self whereof these be the signs but a fool knows not wisdome For wisdome is not like gold and silver and such like things which thou mayest both know when thou seest and yet not enjoy and possesse them he that wants wisdome cannot see nor behold it with the eye of his mind for all the things which we perceive with our corporall senses are outwardly proposed and presented unto us and therefore we may behold strange and externall things with our eyes albeit we have not any of the things nor any thing of that kind but that which is perceived by the understandingâ is inwardly in the mind and it iâ nothing elâe to have it but to see and behold it But a fool wants wisdome and therefore knowes it not for he cannot see it with his eyes for he cannot see it and not have it and he cannot have it and still continue and remain a fool wherefore he knows it not and whilst he knows it not he cannot know it in another place and therefore no man so long as he remains a fool can by most certain knowledge find out a wise man by obeying of whose precepts and commands he may be freed from so great an evâl as folly is Now it is God onely that can give satisfaction to this mighty difficulty and afford remedy for this gâeat evil and because our question is âbout Religion unlesse we both believe that there is a God and that he gives assistance to humane minds we ought not indeed to inquire and seek for true Religion For what do we desire to find out at length by so great an endeavour What wish we to attain unto Whither do we long to arrive Is it unto that thing which we believe not to have a being nor to belong and appertain unto us Nothing is more perverse then such a mind When thou durst noâ beg a favour of meâ or with impudence durst crave one dost thou come to demand how Religion may be found out when thou thinkest not that there is a God and that we care not whither there be any or no What if it be so great a matterâ that unlesse it be diligently sought for and with all might and power it cannot be found out What if the extream difficulty of finding out the meaning and understanding of that which shall be found out doth vex and trouble the mind of the seeker For what is more pleasant and familiar to our eyes then this light is and yet aâter long obscurity and darknesse they cannot endure it What is more fit and commodious for a body that is consumed and exhausted with sicknesse then meat and drink Yet we see that those that are upon recovery are restrained and kept back that they may not presâme to feed so plentifully as well men do lest by a full diet they should return to their former diâease I speak of those that are recovering their health but what do we not enforce the sick men themselves to eat something which is so great a trouble unto them that certainly they would not obey usâ did they not believe that they shall escape that sicknesse thereby When therefore wilt thou settle thy self to a most painfull and laboâious search When wilt thou adventure to take so great care and labour upon thee as this businesse doth deserve when as thou dost not believe that there is any such thing as that which thou seekest Wherefore it was rightly instituted and ordained by the majesty of Catholick discipline that before all things they should be induced and perswaded to believe that come to receive and embrace Religion CHAP. XIV That Christ himself chiefly exacted belief SEeing my discourse is concerning thâse that desire to be called Christiansâ I pray tell me what reason can that heretick alledge unto me What can he say to draw me from Believing as from a rash and inconsâdeâate thing If he commands me to believe nothingâ then do I not believe that there âs any true Religion in the world and becauâe ãâã do not believe that there is âny sâch thing I do not âeek after it But he as conceive will shâw it to the âeeker For so it is written He that seeks shall find âhereâore I would not câmâ to him that âorbids me to bâlieve unlesse I believed something âs there any greater madnesse then that I should displease them onely with a belief which is supported by no knowledgeâ aâd yet that belief alone haâh bâoâght me to the âelf same man What shall I sayâ but that all Hereticks do exhort us to believe Christ Can they be moâe oppoâite and contrary to themselves Wherein they are to be pressed two manner of wayâs First they are to be asked where is the reason which they promised where the reâââhension and blaming of rashnesse where the presumption of science and knowledge for if it be an abâuâd thing to beââeve anyone without reason wây ãâ¦ã expectâ why dost thou go ãâ¦ã to have me believe any one without âeason that I may âoâe easiây ãâ¦ã by thy reasoâ âill thy reaâân buââd any thiâg that is firm stable upon tâe foundation of temerâây âashnesse I speak according to âhem whom we discontent diâplease by believing For to believe before reason when thou art not yet fit to conceive and understand it and by faith it self to prepare the mind to receive the seeds of verity and truth I judge it to be not onely a most wholsome and profitable thing but also so necessary that thoâe that have sick and feeble minds cannot recover their healths without it which because they conceive to be a ridiculous thing and full of rashnesse it is impudently done of them to perswade and exhort us to believe Christ Moreover I confesse that I have already believed Christ and have pârswaded my self that that is true which he hath saidâ although this my belief be supported by no reason This is the first lesson O heretick which thou wilt teach me but becauâe I have not seen Christ himself how he vouchsafed to appear amongst men who is publickly reported to have been seen