THE FIRST PART OF PROTESTANTS PROOFES FOR CATHOLIKES RELIGION AND RECVSANCY Taken only from the vvritings of such Protestant Doctors and Diuines of England as haue beene published in the raigne of his Majesty ouer this Kingdome PSAL. 1. vers 1. Blessed is the man that hath not gone in the counsaile of the vngodly ANNO DOMINI 1607. TO THE MOST HONOVRABLE LORDES AND OTHERS OF HIS MAIESTIES PRIVIE COVNCELL MOST HONOVRABLE As nothing can be lesse concealed then the long manifold and knowne miseries of English Catholikes for their ancient faith So if we consider by what plots and practizes the aduancement of Presbiterall discipline hath beene and daylie is more and more affected and only or chiefly as the defendors thereof professe a Iacob p. 73. of his reasons Protestāt letters in the end of the conference 1603. Purit offer of confer c. receiuing obstacle in course of learning by the groundes of Catholike religion The pennes and pulpits of Puritans and their Printers will sufficiently write preach and publish to the world by whome and to what purpose no smal part of these afflictions haue beene vrged and incited against vs not only by those fewe which refuse your externall conformity but such as for a fashion followe it to retayne themselues in authority For proofe whereof the greatest number of the present Protestant writers D. Sutcliffe b Sutcliffe against D. Kellison pag. 42. D. Doue c Doue perswasion p. 31. D. Field d Field p. 170. M. Willet e Willet Antilog pa. 275. Wotton f Wotton defence of Perkins pag. 28. Middleton g Middleton papistomastix p. 201. c. doe teach there is no matter of faith no substantiall essentiall or materiall point or difference in religion betweene Protestants and Puritans But they are of one Church Faith and Religion Then either they be Puritans or of no religion and it is not materiall with them whether men be of a true or false religion of any or none at all For his Majesty h K. speach in Parl. 1603 conference at Hampton p. 36. 80. 81. 82. the Bishop of Winchester i B. of Winchest Suruey pag. 466. 467. 474. 486. c. D. Couell k Couell defence of Hooker p. 68. against Burges in Prefat pag. 33. two of your best writers M. Parkes l Parkes against lymbomastix pag. 92. 93. Prefat Apolog. Epistol dedicat M. Ormerod m Ormerod Epist. dedicat pict Purit c. and others conclude from their doctrine and their owne bookes extant tell vs Their religion is to beleeue that euery Prince King or Emperor disanulling the Presbitery is enemy to God vnworthy to raigne to be resisted by force of armes not to be prayed for No King no Monarchy no Bishop no true Church in England or wheresoeuer their Presbitery wanteth The article of Christes discent to hell is an jdle and vaine fansie a meere dreame an intruded fable a pernitious heresie Christ was a sinner suffered the torments of the damned his diuinity humanity and saluation heauen and hell are questioned the foundation it selfe is shaken And such Professors haue professed and profited so farre that by outward signes communion profession protestation subscription no man can tell who is of what religion among them For men by this doctrine as his Highnes n Conference supr pag. 82. hath noted will denie their religion to make their party good against the Bishops A chiefe Professor may professe o Willet Antilog in prefat Latin to our Soueraigne Puritanus non sum I am no Puritan to haue better meanes to write p Willet lymbomastix Lymbomastix and q Parkes against lymbomastix p. 106 become the greatest promoter of pretended discipline Though a Minister subscribe-foure times r Burges Apol apud Couell against Burges He may defend both that and refusall lawfull c. Wherefore seing such teachers by such meanes as Protestants acknowledge ſ Parkes Apol. epist dedicat Couel against Barg in pref Make way for Atheisme and Infidelity and t Parkes supr epist dedicat men say they knowe whome to flie but whome to followe they cannot tell I hope it unto heynous sinne in Catholikes not to followe such conductors And for further excuse because they write they u Vniuersity of Oxfor against the Millinar petition p. 32 are more famous for learning then all the Ministers of Europe and yet doe not only refuse all equall triall offered by vs but either cal x Willet Eccles triumph pag. 40. apud Parkes against lymbomast p. 28. the rules and principles of religion which his Majesty approueth and we humbly accept a foolish conceit and imagination or y Wotton defence of Perkins p. 15. 16 vtterly reject them and will only be tryed by themselues A poore Catholike Student in most dutifull manner presenteth vnto your Honours these Protestant proofes for all chiefe points of Catholike religion only taken from their owne writings since the beginning of his Majesties raigne in England First to giue them all aduantage because in this time they haue written so much and so vncharitably against vs that one of their owne number z Omer pict pap in postscript epist adjudgeth many of their bookes to the fire and their authours worthy death Secondly because I cannot tell whether they wil allow what they wrote or taught in the dayes of Queene Elizabeth seing they defend they may often change doe * Doue perswasiō p. 31. at the least at the change of euery Prince And so with all submissiue respect I leaue this cause to your wisest consideration and your most Honourable persons to Gods protection THE FIRST PART OF PROTESTANTS PROOFES FOR CATHOLIKES RELIGION AND RECVSANCY Chapter the first Of the supreame and most preeminent authority of the true Church howe necessary it is to finde it followe the directions and rest in the judgement of it DOCTOR FIELD a late Protestant writer beginneth his dedicatory Epistle to the L. Archbishoppe of Canterbury before his bookes of the Church in this māner a D. Field of the Church epist dedicat There is no part of heauenly doctrine more necessary in these daies of so many intricate controuersies of religion then diligently to search out which among al the societies of men in the world is that blessed company of holy-ones that house-hold of faith that spouse of Christ and Church of the liuing God which is the piller and ground of truth that so they may embrace her communion followe her directions and rest in her judgement D. Couel writeth of the Church in these wordes b Couell defence of Hooker pag. 30. art 4. That which by her Ecclesiasticall authority shee shall probably thinke and define to be true or good must in congruity of reason ouer-rule all other inferior judgements whatsoeuer And to them that out of a singularity of their owne aske vs why we thus bang our
Synopsis and Antilogie he reproueth d Parkes sup pag. 7. 10. 19. 20. 21. 22. 23. 24. 25. def of the 3. test sect 16. c. and disalloweth telling vs that in them he deceiueth the world belyeth Bellarmine and Catholike writers And he is as bold with his Majesty calling his sentence e Parkes sup pag. 28. that the Roman Church is our mother Church a foolish conceite and imagination And no meruaile vvhen he is as familiar vvith the holy Scriptures themselues as this Protestant writeth thus f Parkes sup defence of the 1. 2. 3. test He strangely peruerteth belyeth depraueth abuseth much abuseth falsifyeth holy Scriptures M. Ormerod hath vvritten a booke expresly against the Puritans intituling the same the picture of a Puritan condemning them of Idolatry Heresies Schisme And yet to shewe vvhat credit there is in these men and vvhat trust to their doctrine himselfe is so farre a Puritan in judgement and in the maine article vvhich cost the Bishoppe of Winchester such paines that he is not only at defiance with all Fathers g Ormero paganopapist pag. 44. but compareth the Article and beleefe of Christes descending into hell to the fable of Hercules fayned to goe thither and featch from thence Theseus Pyrithous and Cerberus the great Dogge of hell with three heades Next let vs come to M. Middleton in this manner he vvriteth h Middleton Papistomast pag. 40. The credit of men is but a sandy foundation to build vpon And hauing told S. Epiphanius i page 27. that he lost the booke of the Apostles constitutions out of his bosome which he cited haeres 45. He addeth k page 45. I must craue leaue to say of Epiphanius many assertions he counted for heresies which were not heresies many assertions he counted not heresies which are heresies And al this because he condemneth diuers Protestant points of heresie and justifieth the contrary for Catholike doctrine Againe thus of Dionisius the Arëopagite l page 49. Denis his answere is short-heeld ready to fall backe because he teacheth prayer for the dead And where S. Ambrose teacheth the doctrine of transubstantiation M. Middleton telleth vs m page 61. He is guilty of presumptuous and desporate blasphemy He scoffeth n page 64. at S. Chrysostome and teacheth him howe to speake for teaching the doctrine of prayer for the dead And againe he vseth this mocke against him for calling it an Apostolicall Tradition o page 66. Well might Chrysostome say the Apostles knewe what profite redounded to the dead by prayer for them for himselfe knewe not And thus in generall p page 133. The Fathers sometime went beyond the bondes of sobriety in the doctrine of chastity q page 134. The Fathers are not fit judges to determine either of Priests marriage or vowes of chastity And for this doctrine thus he writeth of S. Ambrose r page 135. That man hath the Apostaticall Dragon the Diuell dwelling in him And so he will send Ambrose away with his Quietus est Å¿ page 137 Chrysostome is so hotte in his amplifications that he forgets himselfe t page 138. Chrysostome in his vehemency goeth beyond measure in reprehending and the Christians of his time in their lightnesse went beyond measure in vowing u page 141. The Canons which Epiphanius citeth against Priests marriage are Apocryphall x page 143. He was to partiall affected in this matter y page 144. The ancient Fathers did erre and we dissent from them in some points of doctrine z page 156. Augustine was a most subtile disputer yet a quicke wit soonest falleth into contradiction a page 161. Neither is Hilary howesoeuer the Romish Church hath made him a Saint ouer hastily to be receiued b p. 179. 180. Ireneus Hilary and Epiphanius for defending free will are Pelagian Heretikes It is written against the Bishop of Winchester who in the beginning of this Chapter gaue such reuerence to the Fathers in these wordes by his Puritan opposite c B. Bilsons Suruey p. 84. Al this great shewe of cleauing to the Fathers judgement is but coloured in you For in other points againe we see when they speake not to your liking the case is altered You forsake the ancient and learned Fathers you contemne and dispise them d page 85. You affirme against all the Fathers e 98. You little regard the second doctrine of the Fathers Hitherto the Puritant against the Protestants nowe let vs heare the Protestants against the Puritans This Protestant Bishoppe intituleth one Treatise thus f pa. 98. supr The defendors disdaine of the Fathers Others g p. 274. 275. wrested and leudly falsifyed And againe h Prefa to the King supr They condemns all the Fathers Greeke and Latin 〈◊〉 conspiring against the truth and peruerting the Scriptures This is too much of this distasting matter they vvhich would see more particulers may finde them applyed in my particuler questions hereafter The 10. Chapter or Conclusion of the generall questions or rules in religion WHEREFORE seing vve Catholikes of England are only or principally vrged moued and sollicited by the present Protestant Doctors Diuines and Teachers of this Kingdome to forsake that religion and Church wherein we liue a thing not to be desired by them or effected by vs without instruction of the truth if we were in errour as the Bishop of Durham sufficiently preached a Serm. of the B. of Durbam 19. Mart. 1603. cit K. speach in parl before his Majesty the first day of his first Parliament we earnestly and humbly desire that those miseries vvhich we haue so long hitherto suffered as they be forgiuen by vs so they may be sufficient vnto them which nowe doe teach direct and instruct vs rather to continue our faith and religion as the most certaine secure and ready way of saluation For they haue instructed vs in their latest vvritings that the Church of Rome is the true Church of Christ where saluation is to be had wherein so many Princes Prelates Doctors and of all degrees haue beene glorious Saints The greatest agents for the Pope The crownes and fore-tops of all Popery as M. Middleton b Middleton Papistomass pag. 127. pleaseth to name S. Thomas Aquinas were most renowmed their doctrine excellent and secure That the Catholikes opinion generally receiued of the Popes spirituall preeminence was euer claymed euen from Scripture â—nd practised by the Apostolike Roman See ouer the whole Christian world from the time of S. Peter to these our dayes That all bookes vvhich that Church receiueth for Canonicall Scriptures are most true deliuered for such by the Apostles reuerenced for such in the Church and Protestants objections against them be friuoulous and confuted That the true and best translation of these holy Scriptures with the lawfull supreame and binding exposition of them together vvith Apostolicall Traditions equall in authority to those holy writings the generall Councels and Ancient Holy Learned primatiue Fathers giue absolute testimony that the present Roman Church is that company of holy ones that house-hold of faith that spouse of Christ and Church of the liuing God which is the piller and ground of truth which is so diligently take searched for whose communion we must embrace followe her directions and rest in her judgement And thus much of the first part of Protestants proofes for Catholike religion A PARIS Chez François Gueffier demeurant deuanâ— la College de Cambray M. D. C. VII THE TABLE OF THE FIRST PART OF PROTESTANT PROOFES FOR CATHOlike religion The first part entreating of the generall groundes and authorities for true religion CHAP. 1. The first Chapter teacheth by Protestants the necessity of seeking finding and following the true Church Page 7. Chap. 2. The Roman Church euer was and nowe is this true Church page 8. Chap. 3. The Bishoppe of Rome by Protestants euer was and is supreame head of the true Church page 13. Chap. 4. All those bookes which the Roman Church receiueth for Scripture and Protestants heretofore denyed for such are proued by them to be Canonicall Scriptures page 17. Chap. 5. The vulgar Latin translation of Scriptures vsed of the Roman Church is the best the English Protestant translations are erroneous page 21. Chap. 6. The truest highest authorised interpretation of Scriptures is in the Roman Church and not with Protestants page 23. Chap. 7. Traditions are of equall authority with the Scriptures and proue Catholike religion page 25. Chap. 8. The authority of generall Councels aboue all Protestant rules make for the Catholike Church page 28. Chap. 9. Likewise of the authority of Fathers page 31. Chap. 10. The conclusion of the first part page 37. THE TABLE OR ARGVMENT OF THE second part of Protestant proofes for Catholikes religion and recusancy THE particuler articles of Predestination Iustification Inherent grace Merit and reward of good deedes of keeping the Commandements Free will distinction of Precepts and Counsailes of Veniall and Mortall sinnes of Indulgences reuerence to holy Images reuerence to holy Reliques prayer to Saints and Angels publike Seruice not in the vulgar tongues Church Ceremonies Christes reall presence in the blessed Sacrament Transubstantiation Sacrifice of the Masse single life of Priests vowes of Chastity Purgatory and prayer for the Dead The number of seauen Sacraments their grace ex opere operato and an indâ—lible Character in some Sacraments All which Catholike articles are proued by the testimonies of such English Protestant Doctors and Diuines as haue written since the beginning of his Majesties raigne in England
Sacrament There be as many as we teach and this shall not breede any such jarre betweene vs that therefore we should refuse to communicate together And transubstantiation it selfe shall be no barre z page 29. But if we vvill receiue at their handes they will not examine howe we doe expound the vvordes hoc est corpus meum And of discipline the third note he noteth In that Councell of Trent they set forth such holesome Canons concerning discipline as were fit for a reformed Church The Protestant Relator of religion affirmeth a Relation of relig cap. 48 That the Roman Church still keepeth inuiolable the foundation of religion And I thinke no man vvill denie the Church of Rome to be the same it vvas at the comming of Luther and long before and yet D. Field vvriteth b Field p. 72. The Roman and Latin Church continued the true Church of God euen till our time And againe c page 182. We doubt not but the Church in which the Bishop of Rome exalted himselfe he addeth with more then Lucifer-like pride was notwithstanding the true Church of God that it held a sauing profession of the truth in Christ and by force thereof conuerted many countries from errour to the way of truth And he further acknowledgeth d page 72. with D. Couell and others e Couel defen of Hook p. 73 That Luther and the rest of his religion were baptised receiued their Christianity ordination and power of Ministery in that Church as the true visible and apparant Church of Christ He telleth vs further f Field p. 182. That diuers of the Roman Church not only of the ignorant but of the best learned be saued and Saints in heauen M. Willets vvordes be these g Willet Antilog pa. 144. It is not denyed by any Protestant but many renowmed Kings and Queenes which might not pleade ignorance of the Roman faith are Saints in heauen And speaking of his Majesties Mother hee attributeth such holynesse and truth to her religion and her that it preuailed vvith God not only for her selfe but her Sonne our Soueraigne also his vvordes be h Willet Antilog Engl. pref to the K. The child of such prayers and teares cannot possibly fall away Who are accompted the greatest Schollers but the schoolemen chiefe in schooles And yet both D. Sutcliffe tearmeth these i Sutcl answ to the lay petition pa. 34. namely Innocent the third Thomas Aquihas Scotus Albert Durand particuler agents of the Roman Church and joyneth them in that sence vvith Harding Allen Bellarmine Baronius And D. Couell speaking of the high praises of such men writeth of Alexander Hales S. Bonauenture and S. Thomas before recited for the Popes agent in these vvordes k Couell def of Hooker pag. 241. Alexander Hales who made his summe that excellent worke by commandement of Pope Innocentius the fourth was called the fountayne of life because of that liuely knowledge that flowed from him he was Master to Bonauenture a Scholler not inferior to himselfe of whome he was wont to say that in Bonauenture he thought Adam sinned not meaning of that illumination which was in him and doubtlesse there was much in him as though he had not beene darkened by the fall of Adam and therefore the Church called him the Seraphicall Doctor To these Aquinas was not inferior who came so neare vnto S. Augustine vvhome in his booke against Burges he esteemeth l Co. against Burges the chiefest Doctor that euer was or shall be excepting the Apostles c. that some thought he had all his workes by hart and by a common prouerbe it was spoken that the soule of S. Augustine dwelt in Aquinas in whome aboue all the rest foure contrarieties were said to excell aboundance breuity facility security in respect whereof he gayned the title to be called Angelicall Then if these men were the Popes agents and yet so renowmed and glorious and their doctrine so secure and excellent vve may securely followe them in the same steps of agency of such businesse And to passe Princes Doctors and Popes agents and come to the Popes themselues The Protestant Relator of religion m Relation of religion cap. 43. 42. hath found much vertue deuotion and piety of those vvhich haue beene in these times and of the last Pope Clement the eight he writeth thus He did often weepe vpon piety and Godly compassion at his Masses Processions c. His eyes were still watering some-times streaming with teares in so much that for weeping be seemed an other Heraclitus he was a good Pope a good Man a good Prince a good Prelate And to exclude ignorance the same Relator witnesseth thus n Ca. 29. supr The Papists cry mainely in all places for triall by disputation D. Couell againe vvitnesseth thus of Catholikes o Couel def of Hook pa. 68. Touching the maine points of Christian truth they constantly persist in them Protestants doe gladly acknowledge them to be the family of Iesus Christ. And againe p pa. 68. supr They of Rome were and are still in the Church a part of the house of God a limme of the visible Church which he addeth also to haue beene M. Hookers q Hooker l. 5. pag. 188. sentence telling vs that vvhat he vvriteth of the Church of Rome is but to giue her her due and we acknowledge them to be of the family of Iesus Christ. And concludeth thus r Couell supr pag. 73. It is strange for any man to denie them of Rome to be of the Church And againe Å¿ page 76. We affirme them of the Roman Church to be parts of the Church of Christ and that those that liue and die in that Church may be saued And all kindes of Protestants when they combate among themselues rather preferre the Roman Church to be chosen and followed then their opposite Protestants The Protestant Relator witnesseth t Relation of relig cap. 45. The Lutherans in Germany both the Clergie and Laytie openly protest they will rather returne to the Church of Rome then joyne with the Sacramentary Protestants such as be in England The Puritans of this nation u Offer of conference in their late offer of Conference preferre the Roman Church farre before their country Protestants Of the Protestants there vvill be as little question by this Treatise And in particuler M. Iacob writeth thus x Iacob p. 73. The Bishops of England when they deale with Puritans must joyne plainely with the Catholikes in their answers if they will maintayne themselues So much and more is testified in two seuerall Protestant letters y The first copy Iannar 15 1603. the 2. copy in the end of the conference printed in the end of D. Barlowes booke of the conference at Hampton which for respect I passe ouer without particuler citation Wherefore by all agreement both of Catholikes affirming this and more and Protestants acknowledging this The Roman
is a Sacrament by Tradition With the ancient Father S. Basil M. Wotton d Wotton def of Perkins p. 465. 466. so assuring vs of his opinion that the very profession of our faith by which we beleeue in the Father the Sonne and the holy Ghost is a Tradition With D. Ceuell e Cou. against the plea of the Innoc. p. 104. That it was an Apostolicall Tradition or Ordination to ordayne Archbishops in their Prouinces as Bishops also in their Diocesse to rule the Church With the Bishop of Winchester f B. Bilsons Suruey of Christs sufferings p. 664. against the Puritans that the Article of Christes discent to hell and the Creede wherein it is contayned is an Apostolicall Tradition deliuered to the Church by the direction and agreement of the Apostles And to conclude briefly why may not we say with the Councell of Florence cited by M. Willet g Willet Synop controuers 1. q. 7. for generall and the Patriarkes of the Apostolike Sees there present with the Councell of Constance not of vnequal authority and the Councel of Trent to passe others with six Cardinals foure Legates three Patriarkes two and thirty Archbishops two hundred twenty eight Bishops and fiue Abbots there assembled as D. Doue telleth vs that Protestancy in all points is false and Catholike religion true when no Protestant Church can shewe any one such like authority for their cause And this of necessity D. Field with his Protestants must acknowledge or freely by their recited doctrine confesse that there neither is nor can be hereafter by his rules true and certayne Scripture Tradition or Religion in the world For if we neither haue Scripture exposition of the difficulties in it or Tradition but by Tradition as he hath graunted and those only three rules to knowe them if those rules may propose vnto vs false Scriptures false expositions of their obscurities and false Traditions in matters of faith faith cannot be certayne and religion grounded vpon it is ouerthrowne Chapter 8. Of the authority and commanding highest power of generall Councels prouing the doctrine of the Roman Church IT may sufficiently be gathered by that which hath beene entreated before both that generall Councels are of highest authority in the Church of Christ and their testimony for Catholike religion Therefore to be briefe in this question concerning their chiefest judgement and preeminence first the Bishop of Winchester writeth thus a B. Bils Suruey of Christs suffer pa. 83. The authority of generall Councels is most holsome in the Church and citeth S. Augustine to that purpose D. Morton writeth b Mortō part 2. Apol. pag. 340. l. 4. c. 18 That concilium publicum est summus judex a generall Councell is highest judge The Protestant Relator of religion is of the same opinion c Relation of the state of relig cap. 47. and calleth it the only remedie in such times of controuersies about religion D. Sutcliffe hath these wordes d Sutcl subu pag. 119. Generall Councels haue souer aigne authority in externall gouernement And againe e Sutc. against D. Kellison p. 41. 42. 102. False it is that we will admit no judge but Scriptures for we appeale still to a lawfull generall Councell f Sutcl subu epist dedicat We hold all the Christian faith explaned in the six generall Councels D. Field is so cleare in this question that he telleth vs first g Field pag. 226. cap. 16. Priuate interpretations doe not binde vs nor are proposed to that purpose secondly he teacheth h Field p. 228 that only Bishops assembled in a generall Councell haue authority to interpret Scriptures and by their authority to suppresse all them that gaine-say such interpretation and subject euery man that shall disobey such determinations as they consent vpon to excommunication and censures of like nature Hitherto of the highest dignity of generall Councels Nowe let vs examine by these Protestants whether they be for them or Catholikes That they be not nor can be for Protestants thus I demonstrate from themselues The wordes of the Protestant Relator of religion are these i Relation of religion c. 47 The Protestants are seuered bandes or rather scattered troopes each drawing a diuers way without any meanes to pacifie their quarrels to take vp their controuersies No Prince with any preeminence of jurisdiction aboue the rest no Patriarke one or more to haue a common superintendance or care of their Churches for correspondency and vnity no ordinary way to assemble a generall Councell of their part the only hope remayning euer to asswage their contentions Hitherto the Relator Where vve see that first the Protestants are diuided secondly they are without any meanes of vnion in controuersies there is no jurisdiction among them no way for that which is the only hope to end contentions in religion therefore this only and highest remedie by generall Councels cannot possibly be for them except they will haue an Vnion Church Faith Truth and Religion vnpossible The same is sufficiently also proued before from D. Couell in my Chapter k Cap. 3. supr Couell against the plea of the Innoc. pag. 103. 104 105. 106 107 108. 109. of the Popes authority where he alloweth of necessity one highest chiefe spirituall commander in the Church to such purposes And shewing how before the time of Constantine there could be no pretence of any Councell to be assembled but by the spiritual authority he addeth thus l Couell supr pag. 110. The Synode of Rome in the yeare 225 called by Cornelius Pope of Rome against Nouatus consisted of threescore Bishops many others of the Clergie And further in these wordes m page 109. And after when Princes came to embrace the faith the best meanes they could deuise to procure peace and aduance religion was by their lawes to referre Ecclesiasticall causes to Ecclesiasticall judges Nowe concerning the Roman Church first the Protestant Relator of religion which hath excluded Protestants from al hope of any generall Councell writeth of the Roman Church in the same place and in these wordes n Relation of relig supr cap. 47. The other Catholikes haue the Pope as a common father aduiser and conductor to them al to reconcile their jarres to appease their displeasures to decide their difference aboue all thinges to drawe their religion by consent of Councels to vnity And this is so cleare in the judgement of al these Protestants that when they denie the authority of generall Councels they haue no pretence of excuse but because they were called by the Popes authority so D. Field o Field booke of the church D. Sutcliffe p Sutcl subu against Kellison c. M. Willet q Will. Antil and the rest And yet D. Fields argument or rule of the Pastour of an Apostolike Church the primatiue Church and holy Fathers consenting doth warrant vs that priuiledge euer belonged to the See of Rome that without