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be_v understand_v of_o the_o spiritual_a seed_n of_o abraham_n when_o it_o be_v estius_n the_o jesuit_n and_o calvin_n do_v most_o express_o say_v the_o contrary_n viz_o that_o it_o be_v mean_v of_o the_o fleshly_a and_o natural_a seed_n and_o estius_n declare_v his_o judgement_n against_o he_o and_o if_o i_o be_v addict_v to_o such_o billingsgate_n language_n i_o can_v retort_v upon_o he_o he_o belie_v calvin_n he_o belie_v the_o truth_n which_o by_o that_o forgery_n he_o will_v cover_v and_o hide_v he_o abuse_v the_o world_n with_o a_o cheat_n and_o much_o more_o fear_v his_o own_o conscience_n by_o this_o piece_n of_o folly_n and_o falshood_n 3._o as_o for_o his_o 3d_o demonstration_n that_o the_o waldenses_n be_v against_o infants-baptism_n fetch_v from_o the_o catholic_a emperor_n and_o pope_n council_n and_o the_o rest_n of_o the_o tribe_n that_o follow_v monk_n abbot_n inquisitor_n i_o shall_v believe_v it_o as_o much_o as_o that_o of_o vicecomes_a who_o say_v not_o only_a 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give_v the_o least_o hint_n of_o any_o such_o thing_n that_o they_o deny_v infants-baptism_n this_o be_v another_o of_o his_o great_a charge_n against_o i_o in_o his_o preface_n where_o he_o say_v rainerius_n tell_v we_o totidem_fw-la verbis_fw-la i_o e_fw-la in_o so_o many_o word_n they_o deny_v it_o for_o vindication_n of_o myself_o let_v the_o reader_n 1_o know_v that_o in_o my_o infants-baptism_n assert_v p._n 96._o i_o quote_v dr._n featly_n roma_fw-la ruens_fw-la for_o what_o i_o have_v say_v who_o give_v we_o a_o catalogue_n of_o the_o error_n which_o rainerius_n charge_v the_o waldenses_n with_o in_o his_o book_n contra_n waldenses_n chap._n 4._o and_o this_o of_o deny_v infants-baptism_n be_v not_o among_o those_o which_o he_o recite_v 2_o i_o must_v tell_v mr._n danvers_n that_o the_o word_n he_o quote_v do_v it_o prove_v rainerius_n charge_v they_o with_o
5._o p._n 239._o hieronimus_fw-la quoque_fw-la lib._n 3tio_fw-la dialogorum_fw-la adversus_fw-la pelagianos_fw-la critobulo_fw-la sic_fw-la scribit_fw-la jerom_n also_o have_v speak_v of_o ambrose_n just_a before_o in_o his_o 3d_o book_n of_o dialogue_n against_o the_o pelagian_n write_v thus_o to_o critob_n tell_v i_o i_o pray_v and_o resolve_v the_o question_n why_o be_v infant_n baptize_v attic._n that_o their_o sin_n may_v be_v do_v away_o in_o baptism_n critob_n but_o what_o sin_n have_v they_o commit_v be_v any_o one_o loose_v that_o be_v not_o bind_v attic._n do_v thou_o ask_v i_o the_o question_n the_o evangelical_n trumpet_n or_o dr._n of_o the_o gentile_n that_o vessel_n that_o shine_v throughout_o all_o the_o world_n will_v answer_v thou_o death_n reign_v from_o adam_n unto_o moses_n even_o over_o they_o that_o have_v not_o sin_v after_o the_o manner_n of_o adam_n transgression_n which_o be_v the_o figure_n of_o he_o to_o come_v but_o all_o man_n be_v guilty_a either_o in_o respect_n of_o themselves_o or_o adam_n qui_fw-la parvulus_fw-la est_fw-la parentis_fw-la in_o baptismo_fw-la vinculo_fw-la solvitur_fw-la he_o that_o be_v a_o child_n be_v free_v in_o baptism_n from_o the_o bond_n of_o his_o parent_n that_o be_v original_a sin_n or_o guilt_n contract_v from_o they_o 2._o his_o second_o medium_fw-la or_o argument_n to_o prove_v that_o adult_n baptism_n be_v only_o practise_v in_o the_o four_o century_n be_v the_o positive_a decree_n of_o the_o 3_o eminent_a council_n of_o this_o age_n viz_o the_o garthaginian_a laodicean_n and_o neocesarean_a which_o he_o say_v do_v positive_o decree_v that_o teach_v confession_n faith_n and_o free-choice_n ought_v to_o precede_v baptism_n we_o omit_v speak_v to_o these_o council_n for_o the_o present_a intend_v to_o do_v it_o in_o a_o more_o convenient_a place_n 3d_o argument_n that_o adult_n baptism_n be_v the_o only_o approve_a baptism_n of_o this_o age_n be_v his_o ten_o remarkable_a instance_n in_o this_o century_n that_o be_v not_o baptize_v though_o the_o child_n of_o christian_a parent_n till_o they_o be_v able_a to_o make_v profession_n of_o faith_n viz_o constantine_n basil_n gregory_n nazianzen_n ambrose_n chrysostom_n jerom_n austin_n nectarius_n valentinian_n and_o theodosius_n here_o mr._n danvers_n and_o other_o of_o his_o party_n as_o i_o hear_v triumph_v over_o i_o because_o in_o my_o answer_n i_o speak_v not_o to_o every_o one_o of_o these_o and_o beside_o i_o be_o upbraid_v by_o he_o for_o except_v only_o against_o 4_o of_o the_o ten_o testimony_n of_o the_o father_n viz_o athanasius_n bazil_n ambrose_n and_o nazianzen_n who_o as_o i_o tell_v he_o in_o my_o answer_n be_v for_o infant_n baptism_n to_o which_o he_o reply_v 1._o that_o if_o but_o four_o of_o the_o ten_o be_v except_v against_o than_o he_o have_v six_o more_o stand_v good_a beside_o the_o former_a viz._n 15_o not_o except_v against_o as_o pervert_v but_o real_o i_o have_v endeavour_v to_o understand_v his_o account_n but_o can_v and_o therefore_o either_o he_o be_v very_o confuse_a or_o i_o be_o very_o dull_a 2._o the_o four_o that_o i_o lay_v claim_n to_o viz._n athanasius_n bazil_n ambrose_n nazianzen_n he_o will_v not_o grant_v i_o be_v as_o he_o say_v full_a in_o their_o testimony_n for_o adult_n baptism_n he_o begin_v with_o bazil_n say_v that_o faith_n must_v precede_v baptism_n to_o this_o i_o have_v already_o reply_v that_o notwithstanding_o this_o he_o may_v be_v as_o much_o for_o infants-baptism_n as_o ambrose_n who_o speak_v the_o same_o word_n and_o moreover_o i_o shall_v now_o give_v you_o some_o reason_n from_o whence_o we_o may_v conclude_v that_o bazil_n be_v for_o infants-baptism_n 1._o because_o two_o of_o the_o most_o eminent_a greek_a father_n his_o contemporary_n be_v for_o it_o viz._n as_o nazianz._n appear_v in_o his_o oration_n in_o sanctum_fw-la lavacrum_fw-la madg._n cent._n 4._o c._n 6._o p._n 417._o likewise_o chrysostom_n in_o his_o homily_n ad_fw-la neophytos_fw-la beside_o those_o eminent_a latin_a father_n as_o ambrose_n jerom_n and_o other_o that_o be_v such_o zealous_a assertor_n of_o infants-baptism_n who_o live_v in_o the_o same_o age_n with_o bazil_n 2._o because_o in_o all_o the_o three_o tome_n of_o bazil_n there_o be_v not_o one_o word_n to_o be_v find_v against_o infants-baptism_n though_o he_o be_v very_o large_a in_o his_o discourse_n about_o baptism_n and_o certain_o he_o will_v have_v say_v something_o against_o it_o have_v he_o deem_v it_o a_o error_n for_o as_o much_o as_o it_o be_v practise_v not_o only_o in_o the_o age_n wherein_o he_o live_v but_o in_o the_o church_n of_o asia_n where_o he_o be_v bishop_n nazianzen_n speak_v of_o the_o church_n of_o asia_n say_v infant_n be_v to_o be_v baptize_v mag._n cent._n 4._o c._n 6._o p._n 461._o because_o nazianzen_n his_o most_o intimate_a friend_n and_o fellow-student_n be_v for_o infants-baptism_n the_o magdiburgs_n say_v there_o be_v so_o great_a a_o endearedness_n between_o these_o two_o father_n that_o they_o have_v as_o it_o be_v but_o one_o soul_n nazianzen_n be_v call_v animae_fw-la bazilii_fw-la dimidium_fw-la the_o half_a of_o bazils_n soul_n if_o in_o they_o both_o say_v the_o magdiburgs_n there_o be_v not_o una_fw-la prorsus_fw-la atque_fw-la eadem_fw-la anima_fw-la they_o further_o tell_v we_o that_o from_o the_o time_n of_o their_o first_o acquaintance_n there_o be_v such_o a_o conjunctio_fw-la animorum_fw-la et_fw-la studiorum_fw-la such_o a_o conjunction_n of_o spirit_n and_o study_n that_o they_o continue_v in_o most_o entire_a friendship_n ever_o after_o cent._n 4._o c._n 10._o p._n 939_o 940._o 4._o we_o do_v not_o find_v that_o in_o any_o of_o their_o epistolary_a intercourse_n any_o thing_n that_o may_v argue_v they_o to_o be_v of_o different_a judgement_n in_o this_o point_n hence_o i_o suppose_v it_o may_v be_v rational_o conclude_v that_o as_o nazianzen_n be_v for_o baptism_n after_o preparation_n and_o confession_n and_o condemn_v those_o that_o enter_v upon_o it_o rash_o magd._n cent._n 4._o c._n 6._o p._n 417._o and_o yet_o in_o the_o foregoing_a page_n tell_v we_o the_o church_n of_o asia_n own_a infants-baptism_n in_o case_n of_o danger_n and_o declare_v his_o own_o judgement_n absolute_o for_o it_o without_o respect_n to_o danger_n orat._n quarta_fw-la ad_fw-la baptismum_fw-la as_o you_o shall_v hear_v more_o anon_o so_o may_v also_o bazil_n be_v notwithstanding_o he_o have_v anywhere_o say_v faith_n shall_v precede_v or_o go_v before_o baptism_n 5._o it_o be_v no_o wonder_n we_o read_v not_o of_o bazils_n insist_v upon_o infants-baptism_n for_o such_o be_v the_o error_n and_o superstition_n of_o those_o time_n wherein_o he_o preach_v ascribe_v such_o virtue_n to_o baptism_n to_o do_v away_o the_o guilt_n of_o sin_n that_o they_o will_v delay_v the_o take_n up_o that_o ordinance_n till_o they_o think_v they_o shall_v die_v that_o so_o they_o may_v depart_v with_o pure_a soul_n so_o that_o as_o far_o as_o i_o can_v find_v bazil_n have_v much_o ado_n to_o persuade_v his_o hearer_n to_o be_v baptize_v and_o spend_v abundance_n of_o his_o pain_n in_o quicken_a they_o to_o take_v up_o baptism_n without_o long_a delay_n as_o appear_v in_o his_o exhortation_n to_o baptism_n where_o he_o do_v most_o sharp_o inveigh_v against_o procrastinate_v the_o same_o if_o mr._n d._n will_v but_o weigh_v these_o thing_n without_o prejudice_n i_o doubt_v not_o but_o it_o will_v abate_v much_o of_o his_o confidence_n that_o bazil_n be_v on_o his_o side_n nor_o will_v he_o allow_v i_o athanasius_n but_o concern_v he_o we_o shall_v speak_v in_o another_o place_n then_o for_o ambrose_n he_o say_v that_o he_o be_v full_a also_o that_o the_o baptise_a shall_v not_o only_o make_v profession_n but_o desire_n the_o same_o but_o then_o as_o conscious_a of_o prevarication_n he_o add_v that_o if_o any_o of_o they_o shall_v contrary_v hereto_o say_v they_o will_v contradict_v themselves_o and_o the_o practice_n of_o the_o age_n but_o this_o be_v mere_a shuffle_n since_o the_o practice_n of_o the_o age_n as_o to_o profession_n have_v respect_n to_o pagan_n as_o we_o have_v often_o tell_v he_o and_o in_o this_o sense_n we_o be_v to_o understand_v ambrose_n and_o whereas_o in_o my_o infants-baptism_n assert_v i_o prove_v ambrose_n be_v for_o we_o from_o those_o word_n of_o his_o lib._n 2._o de_fw-fr abraham_n c._n 12._o be_v these_o because_o every_o age_n be_v obnoxious_a to_o sin_n therefore_o every_o age_n be_v fit_a for_o the_o sacrament_n to_o this_o he_o reply_n that_o this_o be_v no_o proof_n that_o he_o be_v for_o infant_n baptism_n first_o because_o circumcision_n be_v hereby_o mean_v second_o if_o baptism_n than_o those_o of_o every_o age_n that_o be_v fit_a for_o that_o sacrament_n must_v not_o be_v suppose_v viz._n those_o that_o be_v capable_a to_o confess_v faith_n and_o desire_v baptism_n otherwise_o not_o only_a child_n but_o all_o good_a and_o bad_a be_v obnoxious_a to_o sin_n
be_v to_o be_v esteem_v fit_a subject_n for_o baptism_n neither_o will_v this_o evasion_n serve_v mr._n danvers_n turn_v to_o put_v by_o this_o our_o testimony_n and_o i_o wonder_v he_o shall_v labour_v thus_o to_o darken_v truth_n and_o delude_v the_o reader_n for_o it_o be_v true_a those_o word_n beforementioned_a be_v speak_v of_o circumcision_n but_o he_o know_v it_o be_v by_o way_n of_o introduction_n to_o the_o baptism_n of_o infant_n and_o therefore_o that_o he_o may_v not_o impose_v upon_o the_o reader_n i_o will_v give_v the_o whole_a sentence_n of_o ambrose_n from_o the_o magdiburgs_n cent._n 4._o c._n 5._o p._n 240._o the_o law_n command_v the_o male_n to_o be_v circumcise_v when_o new_o bear_v and_o as_o soon_o as_o they_o begin_v to_o cry_v because_o as_o circumcision_n be_v from_o infancy_n so_o be_v the_o disease_n sin_n no_o time_n ought_v to_o be_v void_a of_o a_o remedy_n because_o no_o time_n be_v void_a of_o sin_n neither_o the_o old_a man_n that_o be_v a_o proselyte_n nor_o the_o newborn_a infant_n be_v except_v then_o come_v in_o those_o word_n because_o every_o age_n be_v subject_a to_o sin_n every_o age_n be_v fit_a for_o the_o sacrament_n and_o the_o very_a next_o word_n be_v these_o eadem_fw-la ratione_fw-la baptismum_fw-la asserit_fw-la pervulorum_fw-la lib._n 10._o epistolarum_n epistola_fw-la 84._o that_o be_v by_o the_o same_o reason_n he_o assert_v infants-baptism_n in_o the_o eighty_o four_o of_o his_o 10_o book_n of_o epistle_n whether_o now_o mr._n danvers_n have_v not_o weak_o oppose_v and_o deal_v sophistical_o with_o this_o quotation_n of_o ambrose_n and_o whether_o it_o be_v not_o a_o pitiful_a shift_n in_o he_o to_o say_v the_o be_v fit_a for_o the_o sacrament_n of_o which_o ambrose_n speak_v must_v be_v suppose_v to_o be_v mean_v of_o those_o only_o who_o be_v capable_a to_o confess_v faith_n be_v submit_v to_o the_o judgement_n of_o the_o impartial_a reader_n as_o for_o what_o he_o object_n that_o if_o every_o age_n be_v fit_a for_o the_o sacrament_n in_o regard_n every_o age_n be_v obnoxious_a to_o sin_n than_o infidel_n be_v fit_a subject_n of_o baptism_n i_o answer_v that_o the_o forego_n word_n of_o ambrose_n viz._n neither_o the_o old_a man_n that_o be_v a_o profelyte_n nor_o the_o newborn_a infant_n be_v except_v show_v that_o he_o speak_v of_o those_o who_o be_v within_o the_o church_n the_o last_o man_n that_o we_o bring_v for_o infants-baptism_n and_o except_v against_o by_o mr._n danvers_n be_v nazianzen_n and_o it_o be_v observable_a that_o he_o confess_v what_o we_o urge_v from_o he_o have_v most_o in_o it_o it_o seem_v than_o i_o be_v mistake_v for_o i_o think_v what_o we_o bring_v from_o chrysostom_n and_o ambrose_n have_v altogether_o as_o much_o in_o it_o as_o what_o be_v re-urged_a from_o nazianzen_n the_o word_n quote_v from_o this_o father_n be_v out_o of_o his_o 40_o oration_n viz._n have_v thou_o a_o child_n let_v it_o be_v early_o consecrate_v 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d from_o its_o infancy_n to_o which_o he_o reply_v that_o i_o impose_v a_o fallacy_n upon_o the_o reader_n for_o translate_n the_o greek_n word_n 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d infant_n thereby_o conclude_v he_o absolute_o for_o infants-baptism_n and_o that_o because_o say_v he_o the_o word_n signify_v a_o state_n of_o childhood_n as_o 2_o tim._n 3._o 15._o and_o therefore_o nazianzen_n must_v be_v understand_v by_o his_o early_a consecration_n to_o mean_v not_o in_o the_o cradle_n but_o as_o he_o explain_v himself_o so_o soon_o as_o they_o be_v able_a to_o understand_v mystery_n except_o in_o case_n of_o death_n and_o when_o i_o pray_v according_a to_o nazianzen_n be_v they_o capacitate_v for_o the_o understand_a mystery_n the_o magdiburgs_n inform_v we_o from_o his_o 3d_o oration_n it_o be_v about_o the_o age_n of_o three_o year_n extra_n periculum_fw-la triennium_fw-la aut_fw-la eo_fw-la plus_fw-la minusve_fw-la expectandum_fw-la esse_fw-la censet_fw-la cent._n 4._o c._n 6._o p._n 416._o that_o be_v if_o there_o be_v no_o danger_n of_o death_n his_o judgement_n be_v they_o shall_v stay_v till_o they_o be_v about_o 3_o year_n old_a or_o something_o less_o and_o so_o be_v baptize_v nevertheless_o say_v they_o in_o some_o other_o place_n of_o that_o oration_n nazianzen_n declare_v omni_fw-la aetati_fw-la baptisma_fw-la convenire_fw-la that_o baptism_n be_v fit_a for_o every_o age_n comport_v herein_o with_o ambrose_n as_o before_o but_o whether_o i_o or_o mr._n danvers_n do_v impose_v a_o fallacy_n let_v the_o reader_n judge_v by_o what_o follow_v 1._o nazianzen_n be_v for_o baptise_v child_n in_o case_n of_o danger_n though_o as_o young_a as_o the_o child_n of_o the_o jew_n that_o be_v circumcise_v the_o 8_o day_n as_o appear_v by_o the_o reason_n which_o he_o give_v for_o their_o baptism_n viz._n it_o be_v better_a to_o be_v sanctify_v by_o which_o he_o mean_v baptize_v without_o knowledge_n than_o to_o die_v without_o it_o for_o say_v he_o it_o happen_v to_o the_o circumcise_a babe_n of_o israel_n upon_o which_o vossius_fw-la have_v this_o note_n in_o his_o thesis_n of_o baptism_n non_fw-la igitur_fw-la nazianzenus_n etc._n etc._n nazianzen_n be_v not_o against_o infants-baptism_n and_o his_o judgement_n will_v be_v take_v as_o soon_o as_o most_o man_n 2._o though_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d shall_v be_v take_v for_o a_o state_n of_o childhood_n yet_o in_o that_o place_n of_o nazianzen_n we_o mention_v it_o be_v not_o to_o be_v take_v so_o large_o that_o be_v child_n of_o some_o understanding_n as_o mr._n danvers_n do_v suggest_v because_o of_o the_o instance_n of_o circumcision_n give_v by_o the_o father_n 3._o nazianzen_n be_v a_o greek-father_n intend_v the_o word_n according_a to_o its_o proper_a signification_n and_o as_o it_o be_v general_o take_v in_o the_o new-testament_n as_o well_o as_o in_o profane_a author_n and_o that_o be_v a_o state_n of_o infancy_n for_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d signify_v a_o infant_n say_v mr._n leigh_n crit._n sac._n and_o be_v proper_o speak_v de_fw-fr partu_fw-la recens_fw-la edito_fw-la of_o a_o child_n new_o bear_v quote_v beza_n on_o luke_n 18._o 15._o who_o say_v the_o word_n proper_o be_v take_v for_o infant_n teneri_fw-la nimirum_fw-la &_o adhuc_fw-la ab_fw-la uberibus_fw-la pendents_n parvuli_fw-la i._n e._n suck_v babe_n such_o as_o be_v carry_v in_o arm_n the_o same_o word_n be_v give_v to_o christ_n when_o the_o wiseman_n find_v he_o in_o swadling-clout_n luke_n 2._o 12._o and_o we_o have_v it_o again_o for_o a_o newborn_a babe_n 1._o pet._n 2._o 2._o as_o newborn_a babe_n desire_v the_o sincere_a milk_n of_o the_o word_n etc._n etc._n but_o mr._n danvers_n have_v not_o do_v with_o nazianzen_n yet_o and_o therefore_o frame_v a_o objection_n for_o we_o and_o answer_v it_o himself_o thus_o it_o be_v not_o manifest_a that_o in_o case_n of_o death_n he_o will_v have_v a_o infant_n baptize_v to_o which_o he_o answer_v it_o be_v true_a but_o that_o be_v not_o quà _fw-la infant_n but_o as_o a_o die_a person_n we_o see_v by_o this_o acute_a distinction_n that_o our_o antagonist_n be_v not_o only_o a_o critic_n but_o that_o he_o have_v some_o logic_n too_o in_o which_o he_o say_v he_o ow_v little_a skill_n but_o that_o little_a i_o suppose_v be_v in_o that_o part_n which_o they_o call_v sophistry_n or_o the_o abuse_n of_o logic_n but_o that_o the_o weakness_n of_o this_o distinction_n may_v appear_v consider_v 1._o that_o it_o be_v true_a nazianzen_n will_v not_o have_v a_o infant_n baptize_v quà _fw-la infant_n 2._o it_o be_v untrue_a that_o nazianzen_n will_v have_v a_o infant_n baptize_v quà _fw-la a_o die_a person_n for_o if_o they_o be_v to_o be_v baptize_v under_o either_o of_o these_o consideration_n than_o have_v he_o be_v for_o the_o baptise_v all_o infant_n and_o die_a person_n promiscuous_o 3._o but_o nazianzens_n judgement_n be_v to_o have_v they_o baptize_v because_o they_o be_v the_o child_n of_o christian_n in_o imminent_a danger_n of_o death_n they_o be_v such_o as_o be_v capacitate_v for_o that_o ordinance_n on_o the_o account_n of_o god_n covenant_n else_o why_o do_v he_o speak_v of_o circumcise_n child_n in_o the_o very_a place_n which_o be_v now_o under_o debate_n melius_fw-la est_fw-la enim_fw-la nondum_fw-la rationis_fw-la compotes_fw-la sanctificari_fw-la quam_fw-la non_fw-la signatos_fw-la et_fw-la initiatos_fw-la vitâ_fw-la excedere_fw-la nazianz._n orat._n 40._o it_o be_v better_a say_v he_o they_o shall_v be_v consecrate_v without_o their_o knowledge_n than_o to_o die_v without_o the_o seal_n and_o not_o be_v initiate_v idque_fw-la nobis_fw-la designat_fw-la octavum_fw-la diem_fw-la circumcisio_fw-la illa_fw-la itaque_fw-la fuit_fw-la figurale_fw-la signaculum_fw-la ac_fw-la propter_fw-la irrationale_n introducta_fw-la for_o so_o it_o happen_v to_o the_o circumcise_a babe_n of_o israel_n but_o let_v the_o account_n be_v what_o it_o will_v upon_o which_o nazianzen_n will_v have_v child_n